Guest guest Posted October 14, 2005 Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 Barb What a horrible morning. I'm glad you could laugh. Were you ready to crawl back in bed and not leave until tomorrow when things could go better? laurie > If you feel the need for a little comic relief, keep reading. I had gotten > up a little earlier this morning because I have a doc appointment, had not > gotten my hair washed yesterday as planned so had to do that before a friend > picked me up at 10:45. I was dressed and in the bathroom, cleaning--for the > third time---a stubborn spot on one contact that kept fogging over, when I > accidentally knocked over my no-spill container full of orange potassium > drink that I had been sipping. It splashed all over the bathroom wall, down > the front of the cabinet and was running across the floor in the direction > of the hall carpet before I could even grab a bunch of kleenix to stanch the > flow. This is that nasty rx potassium drink that contains yellow and red > food dyes, I guess to create the illusion that it tastes like Koolaid, so it > stains terribly, and over the years I have spilled it on just about > everything in the house. I was bending over, frantically mopping up the > stuff with wads of kleenix when I suddenly felt a flow of something wet down > my leg. Yes, I have the fake wet sensations too, but this time it was a > little too real to be fake. I dropped the wet orange wads of kleenix, > frantically unhooked my new corduroy overalls--saved for a doctor's > visit--and sure enough, the catheter plug on my j-tube had popped and yellow > bile was spilling down my tummy and the leg of my brand-new overalls. I > grabbed more wads of kleenix to staunch THAT flow, got the catheter plug > back in unrinsed, left the tube unflushed full of yellow bile, changed > underwear and salvaged the overalls with more wads of kleenix. At that point > I unwisely decided to go ahead and get my hair washed because the plumber > has a habit of showing up early and he had to come back today to replace the > defective tub spout he just discovered yesterday--about the 30th defective > item in a long, painful renovation of The Other Bathroom. Well, I had the > towel wrapped around my wet hair and was flinging it back out of my face > when the tail of the towel caught the shower rod. This shower " rod " is > really a branch from our backyard pear tree, and the whole branch with its > leaf-strewn shower curtain came crashing down around my feet. I stood there > with my hair dripping, my feet buried in fallen leaves and decided the only > thing to do was laugh, which I did for quite a while. Yes, I know it's > October but I had not expected those particular leaves to fall at that > particular point in time. They are still in a pile on top of the branch and > will stay that way until hubby comes home. Meanwhile, I must go clean the > bile out of my tube and get hooked up for my daytime feed. Just another > ho-hum day in Kansas. > > Barbara > > > > > > Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements contained herein are not necessarily those of the list moderators. The author of this e mail is entirely responsible for its content. List members are reminded of their responsibility to evaluate the content of the postings and consult with their physicians regarding changes in their own treatment. > > Personal attacks are not permitted on the list and anyone who sends one is automatically moderated or removed depending on the severity of the attack. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2005 Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 It's times like those that I wish we had a RESET button to push, and try over again. Laughing is a better alternative than crying... Now you'll have everyone paranoid about their " fake wet " sensations LOL. When things get all snafu'd, I tell my husband the brief version when he gets home, but invariably he'll ask a question, then he gets the whole story, from beginning to end Take care, RH > > If you feel the need for a little comic relief, keep reading. I had gotten > > up a little earlier this morning because I have a doc appointment, had not > > gotten my hair washed yesterday as planned so had to do that before a friend > > picked me up at 10:45. I was dressed and in the bathroom, cleaning--for the > > third time---a stubborn spot on one contact that kept fogging over, when I > > accidentally knocked over my no-spill container full of orange potassium > > drink that I had been sipping. It splashed all over the bathroom wall, down > > the front of the cabinet and was running across the floor in the direction > > of the hall carpet before I could even grab a bunch of kleenix to stanch the > > flow. This is that nasty rx potassium drink that contains yellow and red > > food dyes, I guess to create the illusion that it tastes like Koolaid, so it > > stains terribly, and over the years I have spilled it on just about > > everything in the house. I was bending over, frantically mopping up the > > stuff with wads of kleenix when I suddenly felt a flow of something wet down > > my leg. Yes, I have the fake wet sensations too, but this time it was a > > little too real to be fake. I dropped the wet orange wads of kleenix, > > frantically unhooked my new corduroy overalls--saved for a doctor's > > visit--and sure enough, the catheter plug on my j-tube had popped and yellow > > bile was spilling down my tummy and the leg of my brand-new overalls. I > > grabbed more wads of kleenix to staunch THAT flow, got the catheter plug > > back in unrinsed, left the tube unflushed full of yellow bile, changed > > underwear and salvaged the overalls with more wads of kleenix. At that point > > I unwisely decided to go ahead and get my hair washed because the plumber > > has a habit of showing up early and he had to come back today to replace the > > defective tub spout he just discovered yesterday--about the 30th defective > > item in a long, painful renovation of The Other Bathroom. Well, I had the > > towel wrapped around my wet hair and was flinging it back out of my face > > when the tail of the towel caught the shower rod. This shower " rod " is > > really a branch from our backyard pear tree, and the whole branch with its > > leaf-strewn shower curtain came crashing down around my feet. I stood there > > with my hair dripping, my feet buried in fallen leaves and decided the only > > thing to do was laugh, which I did for quite a while. Yes, I know it's > > October but I had not expected those particular leaves to fall at that > > particular point in time. They are still in a pile on top of the branch and > > will stay that way until hubby comes home. Meanwhile, I must go clean the > > bile out of my tube and get hooked up for my daytime feed. Just another > > ho-hum day in Kansas. > > > > Barbara > > > > > > > > > > > > Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements contained herein are not necessarily those of the list moderators. The author of this e mail is entirely responsible for its content. List members are reminded of their responsibility to evaluate the content of the postings and consult with their physicians regarding changes in their own treatment. > > > > Personal attacks are not permitted on the list and anyone who sends one is automatically moderated or removed depending on the severity of the attack. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2005 Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 That could only happen in Kansas!! I'm sorry you had such a rough start to the day but I really had to laugh " outloud no less " and my cat is back in the animal clinic but you were a great help to me. My worst problem today was I dropped a dime and was bound to get it from under the stove so I got down on my stomach, both legs waving in the air (not on my list for therapy), four-foot yard stick in hand, flashlight shining brightly and all I saw was dust (YUK) so I slid around and grabbed a paper towel, shoved it under the stove dragging out all kinds of CRUD and my dime. Then came the fun game I forgot that I have to have something to get hold of to pull myself up and that would be the sink, on the other side of my small kitchen, so I rolled over, scooted a couple of feet and lckily was able to get a good gip on the sick and pull myself up with my DIME in my pocket! I think I had my share of PT for the day so I just won't do my home therapy today. Only in Kansas...God Bless, Dolores Barbara Seaman wheatchild@...> wrote:If you feel the need for a little comic relief, keep reading. I had gotten up a little earlier this morning because I have a doc appointment, had not gotten my hair washed yesterday as planned so had to do that before a friend picked me up at 10:45. I was dressed and in the bathroom, cleaning--for the third time---a stubborn spot on one contact that kept fogging over, when I accidentally knocked over my no-spill container full of orange potassium drink that I had been sipping. It splashed all over the bathroom wall, down the front of the cabinet and was running across the floor in the direction of the hall carpet before I could even grab a bunch of kleenix to stanch the flow. This is that nasty rx potassium drink that contains yellow and red food dyes, I guess to create the illusion that it tastes like Koolaid, so it stains terribly, and over the years I have spilled it on just about everything in the house. I was bending over, frantically mopping up the stuff with wads of kleenix when I suddenly felt a flow of something wet down my leg. Yes, I have the fake wet sensations too, but this time it was a little too real to be fake. I dropped the wet orange wads of kleenix, frantically unhooked my new corduroy overalls--saved for a doctor's visit--and sure enough, the catheter plug on my j-tube had popped and yellow bile was spilling down my tummy and the leg of my brand-new overalls. I grabbed more wads of kleenix to staunch THAT flow, got the catheter plug back in unrinsed, left the tube unflushed full of yellow bile, changed underwear and salvaged the overalls with more wads of kleenix. At that point I unwisely decided to go ahead and get my hair washed because the plumber has a habit of showing up early and he had to come back today to replace the defective tub spout he just discovered yesterday--about the 30th defective item in a long, painful renovation of The Other Bathroom. Well, I had the towel wrapped around my wet hair and was flinging it back out of my face when the tail of the towel caught the shower rod. This shower " rod " is really a branch from our backyard pear tree, and the whole branch with its leaf-strewn shower curtain came crashing down around my feet. I stood there with my hair dripping, my feet buried in fallen leaves and decided the only thing to do was laugh, which I did for quite a while. Yes, I know it's October but I had not expected those particular leaves to fall at that particular point in time. They are still in a pile on top of the branch and will stay that way until hubby comes home. Meanwhile, I must go clean the bile out of my tube and get hooked up for my daytime feed. Just another ho-hum day in Kansas. Barbara Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements contained herein are not necessarily those of the list moderators. The author of this e mail is entirely responsible for its content. List members are reminded of their responsibility to evaluate the content of the postings and consult with their physicians regarding changes in their own treatment. Personal attacks are not permitted on the list and anyone who sends one is automatically moderated or removed depending on the severity of the attack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2005 Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 Such a considerate wife! My husband gets the whole schmear whether he asks questions or not. Yes, what I wouldn't give for a magic RESET button or one labeled BEFORE or maybe BC---Before Catastrophe. B > Re: orange and yellow mito mess > > It's times like those that I wish we had a RESET button to push, and > try over again. Laughing is a better alternative than crying... > > Now you'll have everyone paranoid about their " fake wet " sensations > LOL. When things get all snafu'd, I tell my husband the brief > version when he gets home, but invariably he'll ask a question, then > he gets the whole story, from beginning to end > > Take care, > RH > > > > > > > Barb > > > > What a horrible morning. I'm glad you could laugh. Were you ready to > > crawl back in bed and not leave until tomorrow when things could go > > better? > > > > laurie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2005 Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 Shoot! I'd have laughed even more this morning if I'd known you were 30 miles down the interstate waving your legs in the air while I was sopping up orange and yellow floods. And they say Kansas is so boring you might as well sleep driving through. Barbara > Re: orange and yellow mito mess > > That could only happen in Kansas!! I'm sorry you had such a rough start to the day > but I really had to laugh " outloud no less " and my cat is back in the animal clinic but > you were a great help to me. My worst problem today was I dropped a dime and > was bound to get it from under the stove so I got down on my stomach, both legs > waving in the air (not on my list for therapy), four-foot yard stick in hand, flashlight > shining brightly and all I saw was dust (YUK) so I slid around and grabbed a paper > towel, shoved it under the stove dragging out all kinds of CRUD and my dime. > Then came the fun game I forgot that I have to have something to get hold of to pull > myself up and that would be the sink, on the other side of my small kitchen, so I > rolled over, scooted a couple of feet and lckily was able to get a good gip on the > sick and pull myself up with my DIME in my pocket! I think I had my share of PT for > the day so I just won't do my home therapy today. Only in Kansas...God Ble > ss, > Dolores Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2005 Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 You paint a REALLY lovely picture of your day! No offense, but better you than me! Barbara Seaman wrote: >If you feel the need for a little comic relief, keep reading. I had gotten >up a little earlier this morning because I have a doc appointment, had not >gotten my hair washed yesterday as planned so had to do that before a friend >picked me up at 10:45. I was dressed and in the bathroom, cleaning--for the >third time---a stubborn spot on one contact that kept fogging over, when I >accidentally knocked over my no-spill container full of orange potassium >drink that I had been sipping. It splashed all over the bathroom wall, down >the front of the cabinet and was running across the floor in the direction >of the hall carpet before I could even grab a bunch of kleenix to stanch the >flow. This is that nasty rx potassium drink that contains yellow and red >food dyes, I guess to create the illusion that it tastes like Koolaid, so it >stains terribly, and over the years I have spilled it on just about >everything in the house. I was bending over, frantically mopping up the >stuff with wads of kleenix when I suddenly felt a flow of something wet down >my leg. Yes, I have the fake wet sensations too, but this time it was a >little too real to be fake. I dropped the wet orange wads of kleenix, >frantically unhooked my new corduroy overalls--saved for a doctor's >visit--and sure enough, the catheter plug on my j-tube had popped and yellow >bile was spilling down my tummy and the leg of my brand-new overalls. I >grabbed more wads of kleenix to staunch THAT flow, got the catheter plug >back in unrinsed, left the tube unflushed full of yellow bile, changed >underwear and salvaged the overalls with more wads of kleenix. At that point >I unwisely decided to go ahead and get my hair washed because the plumber >has a habit of showing up early and he had to come back today to replace the >defective tub spout he just discovered yesterday--about the 30th defective >item in a long, painful renovation of The Other Bathroom. Well, I had the >towel wrapped around my wet hair and was flinging it back out of my face >when the tail of the towel caught the shower rod. This shower " rod " is >really a branch from our backyard pear tree, and the whole branch with its >leaf-strewn shower curtain came crashing down around my feet. I stood there >with my hair dripping, my feet buried in fallen leaves and decided the only >thing to do was laugh, which I did for quite a while. Yes, I know it's >October but I had not expected those particular leaves to fall at that >particular point in time. They are still in a pile on top of the branch and >will stay that way until hubby comes home. Meanwhile, I must go clean the >bile out of my tube and get hooked up for my daytime feed. Just another >ho-hum day in Kansas. > >Barbara > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2005 Report Share Posted October 15, 2005 well now that you mention it - i have started feeling some funny wet sensations on my thigh..... Re: orange and yellow mito mess > > It's times like those that I wish we had a RESET button to push, and > try over again. Laughing is a better alternative than crying... > > Now you'll have everyone paranoid about their " fake wet " sensations > LOL. When things get all snafu'd, I tell my husband the brief > version when he gets home, but invariably he'll ask a question, then > he gets the whole story, from beginning to end > > Take care, > RH > > > > > > > Barb > > > > What a horrible morning. I'm glad you could laugh. Were you ready to > > crawl back in bed and not leave until tomorrow when things could go > > better? > > > > laurie Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements contained herein are not necessarily those of the list moderators. The author of this e mail is entirely responsible for its content. List members are reminded of their responsibility to evaluate the content of the postings and consult with their physicians regarding changes in their own treatment. Personal attacks are not permitted on the list and anyone who sends one is automatically moderated or removed depending on the severity of the attack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2005 Report Share Posted October 15, 2005 In a message dated 10/14/2005 11:10:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, wheatchild@... writes: It splashed all over the bathroom wall, down the front of the cabinet and was running across the floor in the direction of the hall carpet before I could even grab a bunch of kleenix to stanch the flow. Hi Barbara, I am a little late with my response but I was laughing so hard when I read this. I put the B2 and CoQ10 through my JT and let me tell you, we have orange stains on almost every piece of clothing and the comforter on our bed. My husband and I just moved into a condo recently and we pulled up all the carpets and put down pergo flooring b/c we knew the carpet would have orange stains within a year. I read him the title of your subject line and he just groaned and was like " orange has become my least favorite color " . So, we completely understand where you're coming from! I really feel for you, but am laughing along with you at the predicament you' were in. Someone told me that oxyclean works pretty well for stains. I just tried it last week and so far it seems to get out the orange B2 stains which can be pretty tough. Malisa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2005 Report Share Posted October 15, 2005 Thanks for another chance to laugh, Malissa. I loved your response. You of all people would certainly know about orange and yellow messes. I really think the feeding formulas could also be marketed as super glue. Right now a formula leak has effectively glued my feeding tube adaptor to the J-tube and it will not budge at all. I'm afraid to let the surgeon even close, however, because the last time he broke a crucial piece while " fixing " the problem. We have tried soaking the whole thing in water--which is interesting given that it is all attached to me--so far no success. But we will keep trying. Definitely will try oxyclean and will dream about Pergo. Cheers! Barbara > Re: orange and yellow mito mess > > > In a message dated 10/14/2005 11:10:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, > wheatchild@... writes: > > It splashed all over the bathroom wall, down > the front of the cabinet and was running across the floor in the direction > of the hall carpet before I could even grab a bunch of kleenix to stanch the > flow. > > > > Hi Barbara, > I am a little late with my response but I was laughing so hard when I read > this. I put the B2 and CoQ10 through my JT and let me tell you, we have orange > stains on almost every piece of clothing and the comforter on our bed. My > husband and I just moved into a condo recently and we pulled up all the carpets > and put down pergo flooring b/c we knew the carpet would have orange stains > within a year. I read him the title of your subject line and he just groaned > and was like " orange has become my least favorite color " . > > So, we completely understand where you're coming from! I really feel for > you, but am laughing along with you at the predicament you' were in. Someone > told me that oxyclean works pretty well for stains. I just tried it last week > and so far it seems to get out the orange B2 stains which can be pretty tough. > Malisa > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2005 Report Share Posted October 15, 2005 Barbara It means more orange stains, but " Tang " works well for unsticking and cleaning things. Doesn't want to make me ingest it after seeing what it can do. laurie > Thanks for another chance to laugh, Malissa. I loved your response. You of > all people would certainly know about orange and yellow messes. I really > think the feeding formulas could also be marketed as super glue. Right now a > formula leak has effectively glued my feeding tube adaptor to the J-tube and > it will not budge at all. I'm afraid to let the surgeon even close, however, > because the last time he broke a crucial piece while " fixing " the problem. > We have tried soaking the whole thing in water--which is interesting given > that it is all attached to me--so far no success. But we will keep trying. > > Definitely will try oxyclean and will dream about Pergo. > > Cheers! > Barbara > > > Re: orange and yellow mito mess > > > > > > In a message dated 10/14/2005 11:10:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > wheatchild@... writes: > > > > It splashed all over the bathroom wall, down > > the front of the cabinet and was running across the floor in the > direction > > of the hall carpet before I could even grab a bunch of kleenix to stanch > the > > flow. > > > > > > > > Hi Barbara, > > I am a little late with my response but I was laughing so hard when I read > > this. I put the B2 and CoQ10 through my JT and let me tell you, we have > orange > > stains on almost every piece of clothing and the comforter on our bed. My > > husband and I just moved into a condo recently and we pulled up all the > carpets > > and put down pergo flooring b/c we knew the carpet would have orange > stains > > within a year. I read him the title of your subject line and he just > groaned > > and was like " orange has become my least favorite color " . > > > > So, we completely understand where you're coming from! I really feel for > > you, but am laughing along with you at the predicament you' were in. > Someone > > told me that oxyclean works pretty well for stains. I just tried it last > week > > and so far it seems to get out the orange B2 stains which can be pretty > tough. > > Malisa > > > > > > > > Medical advice, information, opinions, data and statements contained herein are not necessarily those of the list moderators. The author of this e mail is entirely responsible for its content. List members are reminded of their responsibility to evaluate the content of the postings and consult with their physicians regarding changes in their own treatment. > > Personal attacks are not permitted on the list and anyone who sends one is automatically moderated or removed depending on the severity of the attack. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2005 Report Share Posted October 15, 2005 Thanks! I'll give it a whirl. If it works, I'm picturing the next doctor visit when I explain all this....... :-) Barbara > It means more orange stains, but " Tang " works well for unsticking and > cleaning things. Doesn't want to make me ingest it after seeing what > it can do. > > laurie > > > > Thanks for another chance to laugh, Malissa. I loved your response. You of > > all people would certainly know about orange and yellow messes. I really > > think the feeding formulas could also be marketed as super glue. Right now a > > formula leak has effectively glued my feeding tube adaptor to the J-tube and > > it will not budge at all. I'm afraid to let the surgeon even close, however, > > because the last time he broke a crucial piece while " fixing " the problem. > > We have tried soaking the whole thing in water--which is interesting given > > that it is all attached to me--so far no success. But we will keep trying. > > > > Definitely will try oxyclean and will dream about Pergo. > > > > Cheers! > > Barbara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 Aha! Coke is one of the standard tube remedies for internal clogs, I just hadn't thought about actually soaking my tube in Coke. See, you just have to think outside the box a bit to solve these problems and you guys always help me do that. Thanks! Barbara > If you haven't gotten your tubes unstuck, it's probably the citric acid in the Tang that > disolves the formula. If you don't want orange stains, try anything with a high citric > acid content... lemon juice (straight from the lemon, would probably work good), > limes, etc. Or even try some Coke or Pepsi, which is said to disolve a lot of stuff > LOL. Don't know if it would work, but might be better than orange stains. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 Barbara How true! Think outside the box. This group is is great at that, and you are among the best. I do so appreciate the problem-solving attitude that so many have here, and what I have learned from so many people has helped me a lot. Good to see you posting. Enjoy the fall. Showing my ignorance now, wheatchild. Is Kansas blessed with a lot of deciduous trees that change their dress at this time of year? All I can picture is vast fields of golden wheat. I am in upstate NY, and we have great foliage right now. The rolling hills not too far away make the vistas even better, but just about anywhere the trees and leaves are magnificent. Best Regards, Sunny > Aha! Coke is one of the standard tube remedies for internal clogs, I > just > hadn't thought about actually soaking my tube in Coke. See, you just > have to > think outside the box a bit to solve these problems and you guys > always help > me do that. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 Maybe diet coke is better, I wouldn't want the sugar to mess things up? Take care, RH > > Aha! Coke is one of the standard tube remedies for internal clogs, I just > hadn't thought about actually soaking my tube in Coke. See, you just have to > think outside the box a bit to solve these problems and you guys always help > me do that. Thanks! > > Barbara > > > > If you haven't gotten your tubes unstuck, it's probably the citric acid in > the Tang that > > disolves the formula. If you don't want orange stains, try anything with > a high citric > > acid content... lemon juice (straight from the lemon, would probably work > good), > > limes, etc. Or even try some Coke or Pepsi, which is said to disolve a > lot of stuff > > LOL. Don't know if it would work, but might be better than orange stains. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 Absolutely. That's what we get for internal tube clogs, otherwise the sugar and caffeine would mess up my insulin big time. But for soaking, probably wouldn't make much difference? Hubby volunteered to drink whatever is leftover. No problem disposing of this remedy. :-) B > Re: orange and yellow mito mess > > Maybe diet coke is better, I wouldn't want the sugar to mess things > up? > > Take care, > RH > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 > Enjoy the fall. Showing my ignorance now, wheatchild. Is Kansas > blessed with a lot of deciduous trees that change their dress at this > time of year? All I can picture is vast fields of golden wheat. I am > in upstate NY, and we have great foliage right now. The rolling hills > not too far away make the vistas even better, but just about anywhere > the trees and leaves are magnificent. > > Best Regards, > > Sunny Greetings, Sunny! Eastern Kansas where I live is indeed blessed with many deciduous trees and rolling hills. This season has been warmer than usual so we have more green than gold at the moment. Come November we'll have those stunning scarlets on the maples and towering oaks across the street. For many years my pear tree (source of the shower rod) provided glorious color visible from my office window well into December and, once bare, was a winter home for birdfeeders. Alas, it fell in a storm last summer so now all I have of the pear tree is the branch that became a shower rod. The vast fields of golden wheat are exactly what you see in central Kansas where I grew up. In June it's all golden wheat and blue sky and horizon where the two meet. Barbara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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