Guest guest Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 Jody, We began the diet by increasing the foods that were legal and decreasing the foods that are illegal. He is a very picky eater. He has had so much trouble with his stomach. He prefers not to eat at all, rather than eat something that he doesn't care for. He wouldn't really eat the intro diet. It doesn't bother him at all to just skip meals. We aren't giving him anything that is illegal now. His diet consists mainly of fresh fruit (melons, grapes, kiwi, pineapple, apples, bananas...) legal peanut butter on slices of legal bread, and legal cheeses (mainly cheddar). He has never really eaten meat. He had reflux really bad as an infant , so he couldn't eat meat until he was quite old and has never developed a taste for it. Veggies are touch and go. He just turned 3, but is the size of an average 18 month old. We have learned that you can't make a child to eat something. They say that no child will starve themselves, but I think he might be the first to try Any suggestions would be helpful. Thanks, Isaac (3) constipation, yeast SCD 3 weeks > > , > > We need more information to be able to make suggestions. > > How did you start the diet? > > What is he eating now and how is that different from what he ate the > first week? > > In listing what he is eating, be sure to include how it is prepared > and an estimated quantity per day. > > > Jody > mom to -7 and -9 > SCD 1/03 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 , Your son sounds exactlly like ours. You are the first person to relate a story that sounds so similar. Our child does eat quite well but it was all bread and sugar! He would eat veggies and meat occassionally and sushi/miso for sure! We used to take him to Sushi if days had gone by with no eating and no poop. Do you notice that eats more after he poops? My theory, and ds was never diagnosed with reflux by a med doc only naturopaths, is that the poop causes the reflux to be worse. The GI doc was not surprised to learn that he eats more after pooping. We too our on week 4 and regressing. He is again constipated. we also did start with the intro. I'm wondering if we should. Anyway, it will be good to hear the responses that you get. gwen luca-3 scd going on 4 weeks. " Today a new sun rises for me; everything lives, everything is animated, everything seems to speak to me of my passion, everything invites me to cherish it. " --Anne de Lenclos-- --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 Gwen, It is so nice to hear that there is " someone else " that is going through the same things. Thanks for the support. Let's see who has help for us. Isaac-3, constipation, yeast SCD 3 wks > > > , > > Your son sounds exactlly like ours. You are the first person to relate a story that sounds so similar. Our child does eat quite well but it was all bread and sugar! He would eat veggies and meat occassionally and sushi/miso for sure! We used to take him to Sushi if days had gone by with no eating and no poop. > > Do you notice that eats more after he poops? My theory, and ds was never diagnosed with reflux by a med doc only naturopaths, is that the poop causes the reflux to be worse. The GI doc was not surprised to learn that he eats more after pooping. > > We too our on week 4 and regressing. He is again constipated. we also did start with the intro. I'm wondering if we should. > > Anyway, it will be good to hear the responses that you get. > > gwen > luca-3 > scd going on 4 weeks. > > > " Today a new sun rises for me; everything lives, > everything is animated, everything seems to speak > to me of my passion, everything invites me to cherish it. " > > --Anne de Lenclos-- > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 That happened to our daughter Holli. She got back on track again when she started oral nystatin a few weeks ago. Could it be that SCD knocks out the bacterial/viral stuff first which leaves more room for candida to flourish on the intestinal wall? Kerri-SCD 2months for 7 year old constipation and rages regressing! > My son (3) has been on the diet for about 3 weeks. He has struggled > with constipation since he was a week old, as well as yeast problems. > He was doing wonderfully from the first week. He went to the bathroom > almost every day up until 3 days ago. He has not gone for 3 days and > seems to be regressing. Has anyone else had this problem? We have > struggled for 3 years to find something that works (medications and > every other diet I had never heard of)I am beginning to get > discouraged. We are not giving up, but is there any explanation for this. > > Isaac (3) SCD 3 weeks > > > > > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book > _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following > websites: > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info > and > http://www.pecanbread.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 It's a war. The begginning of SCD is rough. There are bouts that may come and go. Regressions do happen. We had a few our first year, but then they start becomming less and less, and mostly, less harsh. Yeasties are going to fight for their right to live! Be careful with long term yeast therapies, as yeast can mutate at the drop of a hat. Many people use a rotation schedule of every 4 days switching antifungals. From my own use of nystatin and those of others close, it has great results in the beginning, catching the yeasties unaware, but for us and my friends, they regrouped, became stronger and resistant to nystatin. There is no such thing as just being on any diet. It is a daily adjustment. Keeping a daily food journal, recording everything bodily, and removing the foods those particular stains of yeast are using, is a helpful strategy for getting yeast in check. Yeast is always in our intestines. It is kept in check by our healthy intestinal flora, and our immune systems. It gets rampant when the healthy flora is gone, there is a worn down mucosal lining preventing new flora from anchoring and thriving, and the immune system is depressed. SCD directly works on all those issues together. Different strains of candida prefer different foods. Look at the patterns in a food journal, with the patterns of behavoiral/bodily changes you record. Best of Luck! Regressions happen, they are times to regroup and rethink. Do not let them get you too down. It is through stumbling that we learn how to walk. The way is not perfectly laid. Summer Kerri Swarner wrote: That happened to our daughter Holli. She got back on track again when she started oral nystatin a few weeks ago. Could it be that SCD knocks out the bacterial/viral stuff first which leaves more room for candida to flourish on the intestinal wall? Kerri-SCD 2months for 7 year old constipation and rages regressing! > My son (3) has been on the diet for about 3 weeks. He has struggled > with constipation since he was a week old, as well as yeast problems. > He was doing wonderfully from the first week. He went to the bathroom > almost every day up until 3 days ago. He has not gone for 3 days and > seems to be regressing. Has anyone else had this problem? We have > struggled for 3 years to find something that works (medications and > every other diet I had never heard of)I am beginning to get > discouraged. We are not giving up, but is there any explanation for this. > > Isaac (3) SCD 3 weeks > > > > > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book > _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following > websites: > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info > and > http://www.pecanbread.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 Is Isaac on the ASD spectrum? If so, I highly recommend removing all dairy from his diet for at least a week or two to see if you see any improvements. Many, if not most, ASD kids cannot tolerage cow's milk in any form. As for the fruits you listed, I would try to limit the grapes (skins) and the kiwi (seeds), peel the apples and make sure the bananas are very ripe. And trust me, you don't have the only child who WOULD starve himself rather than eat a food he doesn't want/like. Jody mom to -7 and -9 SCD 1/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 would you mind sharing what antifungals you rotate? Are they herbal, prescription? My daughter has IgA deficiency on top of everything else (or because of everything else) so I think we will need some antifungals along with the SCD to " beat the yeaties down with a stick " (to quote someone from a few hundrend posts ago) until her immune system catches up. Thanks Kerri -all SCD 2 months-for Holli (age 7) constipation, rages etc regressing! > > >> My son (3) has been on the diet for about 3 weeks. He has struggled >> with constipation since he was a week old, as well as yeast problems. >> He was doing wonderfully from the first week. He went to the bathroom >> almost every day up until 3 days ago. He has not gone for 3 days and >> seems to be regressing. Has anyone else had this problem? We have >> struggled for 3 years to find something that works (medications and >> every other diet I had never heard of)I am beginning to get >> discouraged. We are not giving up, but is there any explanation for this. >> >> Isaac (3) SCD 3 weeks >> >> >> >> >> >> >> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book >> _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following >> websites: >> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info >> and >> http://www.pecanbread.com >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 While yeast is an issue for all of us, we only take to battling them when we are losing ground, in other words, only when diet is not completely responsible, those yeast flares that can sneak up. We do not use them constantly, as yeast killers can be a bit hard, especially the essential oils, and counterproductive to establishing good healthy populations of good guys. Here is a safe one to use all the time. Saccharomyces boulardii available from www.kirkmanlabs.com Garlic and ginger are both wonder antifungals you can use all the time, in addition to cranberry. For rotation you can use Huang Lian (chinese goldenseal), goldenseal, cinnamon oil, grapeseed extract, oreganol (not oregano leaf oil, commonly sold, but mediterranian oregano leaf oil, different variety), p'au d'arco and chapperal together, olive leaf extract, to name a few. A few hundred posts ago, I laughed when I typed out to " beat the yeasties down with a stick " . Sometimes, it is necessary, that is for sure. I am recovering from a fungal cyst in my throat, I am tellin' ya. But overuse is not the angle I use either, rather, use it when you need it, and back off between flares let the body rest and build defenses with good diet. Garlic, ginger and appropriate probiotics, we keep using regardless. Summer Kerri Swarner wrote: would you mind sharing what antifungals you rotate? Are they herbal, prescription? My daughter has IgA deficiency on top of everything else (or because of everything else) so I think we will need some antifungals along with the SCD to " beat the yeaties down with a stick " (to quote someone from a few hundrend posts ago) until her immune system catches up. Thanks Kerri -all SCD 2 months-for Holli (age 7) constipation, rages etc regressing! > > >> My son (3) has been on the diet for about 3 weeks. He has struggled >> with constipation since he was a week old, as well as yeast problems. >> He was doing wonderfully from the first week. He went to the bathroom >> almost every day up until 3 days ago. He has not gone for 3 days and >> seems to be regressing. Has anyone else had this problem? We have >> struggled for 3 years to find something that works (medications and >> every other diet I had never heard of)I am beginning to get >> discouraged. We are not giving up, but is there any explanation for this. >> >> Isaac (3) SCD 3 weeks >> >> >> >> >> >> >> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book >> _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following >> websites: >> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info >> and >> http://www.pecanbread.com >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 > > Garlic and ginger are both wonder antifungals you can use all the time, in addition to cranberry. I believe I read the garlic needs to be uncooked, true? What about the ginger and the cranberry? , mom to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 " For rotation you can use Huang Lian (chinese goldenseal), goldenseal, cinnamon oil, grapeseed extract, oreganol (not oregano leaf oil, commonly sold, but mediterranian oregano leaf oil, different variety), p'au d'arco and chapperal together, olive leaf extract, to name a few. " Pau d'arco is not SCD legal. I've not heard of grapeseed extract being used for yeast, but maybe it works. I generally read about people using grapefruit seed extract. I'm not familiar with whether some of the other things you've listed (chapperal, goldenseal, etc.) are legal for SCD. Jody mom to -7 and -9 SCD 1/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 Oops, a typo, I did not mean Grapeseed extract, but Grapefruitseed Extract. Summer " Jody G. " wrote: " For rotation you can use Huang Lian (chinese goldenseal), goldenseal, cinnamon oil, grapeseed extract, oreganol (not oregano leaf oil, commonly sold, but mediterranian oregano leaf oil, different variety), p'au d'arco and chapperal together, olive leaf extract, to name a few. " Pau d'arco is not SCD legal. I've not heard of grapeseed extract being used for yeast, but maybe it works. I generally read about people using grapefruit seed extract. I'm not familiar with whether some of the other things you've listed (chapperal, goldenseal, etc.) are legal for SCD. Jody mom to -7 and -9 SCD 1/03 For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info and http://www.pecanbread.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 Hi Just a thought on Grapeseed Extract. It apparently is made with a carcinogen or somthing toxic added....or it is extracted using something toxic. I'll try to find the article from our naturopath. I don't use it anymore. gwen Gertrude Snicklegrove wrote: Oops, a typo, I did not mean Grapeseed extract, but Grapefruitseed Extract. Summer " Jody G. " wrote: " For rotation you can use Huang Lian (chinese goldenseal), goldenseal, cinnamon oil, grapeseed extract, oreganol (not oregano leaf oil, commonly sold, but mediterranian oregano leaf oil, different variety), p'au d'arco and chapperal together, olive leaf extract, to name a few. " Pau d'arco is not SCD legal. I've not heard of grapeseed extract being used for yeast, but maybe it works. I generally read about people using grapefruit seed extract. I'm not familiar with whether some of the other things you've listed (chapperal, goldenseal, etc.) are legal for SCD. Jody mom to -7 and -9 SCD 1/03 For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info and http://www.pecanbread.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 Isaac is not on the ASD spectrum. He does have an IgA deficiency though. He was on Diflucan for a while. It did not work so we refused another round and started looking into dietary " helps " . He started out on a low sugar-diet, but has moved to the SCdiet due to constipation. Aiden 4, yeast, IgA def Isaac 3, constipation, yeast, IgA def Elena 5 mo, yeast SCD 3 weeks > > That happened to our daughter Holli. She got back on track again when she > > started oral nystatin a few weeks ago. Could it be that SCD knocks out the > > bacterial/viral stuff first which leaves more room for candida to flourish > > on the intestinal wall? > > > > Kerri-SCD 2months for 7 year old constipation and rages > > regressing! > > > > > >> My son (3) has been on the diet for about 3 weeks. He has struggled > >> with constipation since he was a week old, as well as yeast problems. > >> He was doing wonderfully from the first week. He went to the bathroom > >> almost every day up until 3 days ago. He has not gone for 3 days and > >> seems to be regressing. Has anyone else had this problem? We have > >> struggled for 3 years to find something that works (medications and > >> every other diet I had never heard of)I am beginning to get > >> discouraged. We are not giving up, but is there any explanation for this. > >> > >> Isaac (3) SCD 3 weeks > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book > >> _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following > >> websites: > >> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info > >> and > >> http://www.pecanbread.com > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 I typed out grapeseed extract and meant grapefruit seed extract. Grapeseed oil is a very healthy, antioxidant oil, like pumkin seed oil, flax seed oil, etc. Source is everything. It is why I am always telling people to go to www.mountainroseherbs.com for cold pressed oils. They are the first botanical company, and pretty much the only one i know of, that refuses to carry stock that has chemicals in it, from using solvents to extract oils, and etc. It is why I trust them. They also keep on company record status of all suppliers they use, in addition to what they make themselves. Grapeseed oil, like most oils, when heated undergoes a molecule change that is carcinogenic, never use for cooking...the same goes with sesame oil, flax seed oil, pumpkin seed oil, evening primrose oil, etc. If you use castor oil packs over the liver or intestines, mountainroseherbs sells an organic castor oil that has not been extracted with Hexene, a dangerous chemical. Grapeseed oil is a wonderful and healthy addition to the diet. Unfortunately, with any food product, and the FDA's slack attitude concerning dietary chemicals, it is up to us to verify. Mountain Rose Herbs hands down, and they do not allow chemical food solvents in their products. The issue you brought up is a very real one though, relevant even to corn oils for cooking on the grocery store shelf! But don't let that dissuade you from all oils, because oils can be made without solvents. Summer Gwen Pollara wrote: Hi Just a thought on Grapeseed Extract. It apparently is made with a carcinogen or somthing toxic added....or it is extracted using something toxic. I'll try to find the article from our naturopath. I don't use it anymore. gwen Gertrude Snicklegrove wrote: Oops, a typo, I did not mean Grapeseed extract, but Grapefruitseed Extract. Summer " Jody G. " wrote: " For rotation you can use Huang Lian (chinese goldenseal), goldenseal, cinnamon oil, grapeseed extract, oreganol (not oregano leaf oil, commonly sold, but mediterranian oregano leaf oil, different variety), p'au d'arco and chapperal together, olive leaf extract, to name a few. " Pau d'arco is not SCD legal. I've not heard of grapeseed extract being used for yeast, but maybe it works. I generally read about people using grapefruit seed extract. I'm not familiar with whether some of the other things you've listed (chapperal, goldenseal, etc.) are legal for SCD. Jody mom to -7 and -9 SCD 1/03 For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info and http://www.pecanbread.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 Yes, garlic is most potent raw. Since this can be unsettling to some stomachs, you can make a garlic tincture instead, you can do this with ginger too, and cranberry. I also add, for extra measure, garlic, ginger and cranberries to crock meats, soups and the once in a while roasts we do. Summer julie46250 wrote: > > Garlic and ginger are both wonder antifungals you can use all the time, in addition to cranberry. I believe I read the garlic needs to be uncooked, true? What about the ginger and the cranberry? , mom to For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info and http://www.pecanbread.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 > > Yes, garlic is most potent raw. Since this can be unsettling to some stomachs, And relationships, but I put a big raw minced clove of garlic in my salad every day! Carol F. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 I do this as well, adding the ginger and cranberry to soups. Garlic also is a good cure for a female yeast infection, it can be inserted like a tampon. > >Reply-To: pecanbread >To: pecanbread >Subject: Re: Re: regressing! >Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 10:58:36 -0800 (PST) > >Yes, garlic is most potent raw. Since this can be unsettling to some >stomachs, you can make a garlic tincture instead, you can do this with >ginger too, and cranberry. > > I also add, for extra measure, garlic, ginger and cranberries to crock >meats, soups and the once in a while roasts we do. > > Summer > >julie46250 wrote: > > > > > Garlic and ginger are both wonder antifungals you can use all the >time, in addition to cranberry. > >I believe I read the garlic needs to be uncooked, true? What about >the ginger and the cranberry? > >, mom to > > > > > > >For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book >_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following >websites: >http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info >and >http://www.pecanbread.com > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 I cannot emphasize this enough ALL vegtable oils are extremely fragile, especially grapeseed oil, it almost turns rancid as soon as it is pressed. olive oil is the most stable, but it still has lots of problems, use any veggie oil with EXTREME caution!!!! And don't over-do it, this will only further unbalance the omega 6 - omega 3 ratio needed for a healthy, inflammatory free, system. > >Reply-To: pecanbread >To: pecanbread >Subject: Re: Re: regressing! >Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 10:49:17 -0800 (PST) > >I typed out grapeseed extract and meant grapefruit seed extract. Grapeseed >oil is a very healthy, antioxidant oil, like pumkin seed oil, flax seed >oil, etc. > > Source is everything. It is why I am always telling people to go to >www.mountainroseherbs.com for cold pressed oils. They are the first >botanical company, and pretty much the only one i know of, that refuses to >carry stock that has chemicals in it, from using solvents to extract oils, >and etc. > > It is why I trust them. They also keep on company record status of all >suppliers they use, in addition to what they make themselves. > > Grapeseed oil, like most oils, when heated undergoes a molecule change >that is carcinogenic, never use for cooking...the same goes with sesame >oil, flax seed oil, pumpkin seed oil, evening primrose oil, etc. > > If you use castor oil packs over the liver or intestines, >mountainroseherbs sells an organic castor oil that has not been extracted >with Hexene, a dangerous chemical. > > Grapeseed oil is a wonderful and healthy addition to the diet. >Unfortunately, with any food product, and the FDA's slack attitude >concerning dietary chemicals, it is up to us to verify. > > Mountain Rose Herbs hands down, and they do not allow chemical food >solvents in their products. > > The issue you brought up is a very real one though, relevant even to >corn oils for cooking on the grocery store shelf! But don't let that >dissuade you from all oils, because oils can be made without solvents. > > Summer > >Gwen Pollara wrote: > Hi > > Just a thought on Grapeseed Extract. It apparently is made with a >carcinogen or somthing toxic added....or it is extracted using something >toxic. I'll try to find the article from our naturopath. I don't use it >anymore. > > gwen > >Gertrude Snicklegrove wrote: > Oops, a typo, I did not mean Grapeseed extract, but Grapefruitseed >Extract. > > Summer > > " Jody G. " wrote: > " For rotation you can use Huang Lian (chinese goldenseal), goldenseal, >cinnamon oil, grapeseed extract, oreganol (not oregano leaf oil, >commonly sold, but mediterranian oregano leaf oil, different variety), >p'au d'arco and chapperal together, olive leaf extract, to name a few. " > >Pau d'arco is not SCD legal. >I've not heard of grapeseed extract being used for yeast, but maybe it >works. I generally read about people using grapefruit seed extract. >I'm not familiar with whether some of the other things you've listed >(chapperal, goldenseal, etc.) are legal for SCD. > > >Jody >mom to -7 and -9 >SCD 1/03 > > > > > > >For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book >_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following >websites: >http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info >and >http://www.pecanbread.com > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 Summer, thanks for this information. I'm a little confused still if you mean grapeseed oil is carcinogenic or if it is good for us? I will check out that site. Gwen Gertrude Snicklegrove wrote: I typed out grapeseed extract and meant grapefruit seed extract. Grapeseed oil is a very healthy, antioxidant oil, like pumkin seed oil, flax seed oil, etc. Source is everything. It is why I am always telling people to go to www.mountainroseherbs.com for cold pressed oils. They are the first botanical company, and pretty much the only one i know of, that refuses to carry stock that has chemicals in it, from using solvents to extract oils, and etc. It is why I trust them. They also keep on company record status of all suppliers they use, in addition to what they make themselves. Grapeseed oil, like most oils, when heated undergoes a molecule change that is carcinogenic, never use for cooking...the same goes with sesame oil, flax seed oil, pumpkin seed oil, evening primrose oil, etc. If you use castor oil packs over the liver or intestines, mountainroseherbs sells an organic castor oil that has not been extracted with Hexene, a dangerous chemical. Grapeseed oil is a wonderful and healthy addition to the diet. Unfortunately, with any food product, and the FDA's slack attitude concerning dietary chemicals, it is up to us to verify. Mountain Rose Herbs hands down, and they do not allow chemical food solvents in their products. The issue you brought up is a very real one though, relevant even to corn oils for cooking on the grocery store shelf! But don't let that dissuade you from all oils, because oils can be made without solvents. Summer Gwen Pollara wrote: Hi Just a thought on Grapeseed Extract. It apparently is made with a carcinogen or somthing toxic added....or it is extracted using something toxic. I'll try to find the article from our naturopath. I don't use it anymore. gwen Gertrude Snicklegrove wrote: Oops, a typo, I did not mean Grapeseed extract, but Grapefruitseed Extract. Summer " Jody G. " wrote: " For rotation you can use Huang Lian (chinese goldenseal), goldenseal, cinnamon oil, grapeseed extract, oreganol (not oregano leaf oil, commonly sold, but mediterranian oregano leaf oil, different variety), p'au d'arco and chapperal together, olive leaf extract, to name a few. " Pau d'arco is not SCD legal. I've not heard of grapeseed extract being used for yeast, but maybe it works. I generally read about people using grapefruit seed extract. I'm not familiar with whether some of the other things you've listed (chapperal, goldenseal, etc.) are legal for SCD. Jody mom to -7 and -9 SCD 1/03 For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info and http://www.pecanbread.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 Your welcome! Grapeseed oil is not carcinogenic. It is best to find a grapeseed oil that is expeller pressed, without the use of any solvents...ie organic. Most oils will change molecular structure under high heat, grapseed oil being one of them, so do not cook with it. Like sesame oil, pumpkin seed oil, flaxseed oil and others, you can drizzle the oil onto food stuffs after it is cooked or choose to take as is as part of a supplemental regime. Either way. Grapeseed oil, in my opinion, is very healing to the intestinal tract, very good stuff. Summer Gwen Pollara wrote: Summer, thanks for this information. I'm a little confused still if you mean grapeseed oil is carcinogenic or if it is good for us? I will check out that site. Gwen Gertrude Snicklegrove wrote: I typed out grapeseed extract and meant grapefruit seed extract. Grapeseed oil is a very healthy, antioxidant oil, like pumkin seed oil, flax seed oil, etc. Source is everything. It is why I am always telling people to go to www.mountainroseherbs.com for cold pressed oils. They are the first botanical company, and pretty much the only one i know of, that refuses to carry stock that has chemicals in it, from using solvents to extract oils, and etc. It is why I trust them. They also keep on company record status of all suppliers they use, in addition to what they make themselves. Grapeseed oil, like most oils, when heated undergoes a molecule change that is carcinogenic, never use for cooking...the same goes with sesame oil, flax seed oil, pumpkin seed oil, evening primrose oil, etc. If you use castor oil packs over the liver or intestines, mountainroseherbs sells an organic castor oil that has not been extracted with Hexene, a dangerous chemical. Grapeseed oil is a wonderful and healthy addition to the diet. Unfortunately, with any food product, and the FDA's slack attitude concerning dietary chemicals, it is up to us to verify. Mountain Rose Herbs hands down, and they do not allow chemical food solvents in their products. The issue you brought up is a very real one though, relevant even to corn oils for cooking on the grocery store shelf! But don't let that dissuade you from all oils, because oils can be made without solvents. Summer Gwen Pollara wrote: Hi Just a thought on Grapeseed Extract. It apparently is made with a carcinogen or somthing toxic added....or it is extracted using something toxic. I'll try to find the article from our naturopath. I don't use it anymore. gwen Gertrude Snicklegrove wrote: Oops, a typo, I did not mean Grapeseed extract, but Grapefruitseed Extract. Summer " Jody G. " wrote: " For rotation you can use Huang Lian (chinese goldenseal), goldenseal, cinnamon oil, grapeseed extract, oreganol (not oregano leaf oil, commonly sold, but mediterranian oregano leaf oil, different variety), p'au d'arco and chapperal together, olive leaf extract, to name a few. " Pau d'arco is not SCD legal. I've not heard of grapeseed extract being used for yeast, but maybe it works. I generally read about people using grapefruit seed extract. I'm not familiar with whether some of the other things you've listed (chapperal, goldenseal, etc.) are legal for SCD. Jody mom to -7 and -9 SCD 1/03 For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info and http://www.pecanbread.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 > > I cannot emphasize this enough ALL vegtable oils are extremely fragile, > especially grapeseed oil, it almost turns rancid as soon as it is pressed. okay! I'm throwing the stuff out right NOW! > olive oil is the most stable, but it still has lots of problems, use any > veggie oil with EXTREME caution!!!! can you please elaborate a bit on this - sorry to be so dense! SO for example, if I fry an egg in some sunflower oil, and then my daughter wants an egg - I should get rid of that USED frying oil and start with a fresh new pan??? Thanks, Lynn - Mommy to a family of fried egg lovers - SCD 47 days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 you should not fry an egg in sunflower oil. period. Butter, ghee or coconut oil for high temp., olive oil for med to low, but never cook with vegetable oils, really please all vegetable oils should be used in extreme moderation. > >Reply-To: pecanbread >To: pecanbread >Subject: Re: regressing! >Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 01:29:04 -0000 > > > > > > I cannot emphasize this enough ALL vegtable oils are extremely fragile, > > especially grapeseed oil, it almost turns rancid as soon as it is >pressed. > >okay! I'm throwing the stuff out right NOW! > > > olive oil is the most stable, but it still has lots of problems, use >any > > veggie oil with EXTREME caution!!!! > >can you please elaborate a bit on this - sorry to be so dense! SO for >example, if I fry an egg in some sunflower oil, and then my daughter >wants an egg - I should get rid of that USED frying oil and start with >a fresh new pan??? > >Thanks, >Lynn - Mommy to a family of fried egg lovers - SCD 47 days > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2006 Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 , We use a lot of vegetable oils ... and meats. They are our main source of calories (no carbs, nuts, eggs, milk, etc. due to allergies). Tom is allergic to olives, we rotate sunflower, safflower, canola and palm. Is there anything I can do to minimize the problem? We buy Spectrum expeller-pressed oils and store them in a dark cupboard. Should I be refrigerating them? Is there anything else I can do? Suzanne > > " For rotation you can use Huang Lian (chinese goldenseal), goldenseal, > >cinnamon oil, grapeseed extract, oreganol (not oregano leaf oil, > >commonly sold, but mediterranian oregano leaf oil, different variety), > >p'au d'arco and chapperal together, olive leaf extract, to name a few. " > > > >Pau d'arco is not SCD legal. > >I've not heard of grapeseed extract being used for yeast, but maybe it > >works. I generally read about people using grapefruit seed extract. > >I'm not familiar with whether some of the other things you've listed > >(chapperal, goldenseal, etc.) are legal for SCD. > > > > > >Jody > >mom to -7 and -9 > >SCD 1/03 > > > > > > > > > > > > > >For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book > >_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following > >websites: > >http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info > >and > >http://www.pecanbread.com > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2006 Report Share Posted March 24, 2006 can he tolerate seasame that at least is a bit better? how about avocado, not the oil but the avocado? have you tried ghee? it has butric acid which is very healing for the gut? At the very least DO NOT COOK with these oils, add them afterwards, and I would seriously think about eliminating the canola, it just is not safe. I just worry that the weaken that these oils might be causing Tom's immune system could be preventing his gut to heal, thus percipetating some of the allergies. I understand you are in a difficult position Suzanne, I would at least try to minamize them and get more calories from fattier cuts of meat > >Reply-To: pecanbread >To: pecanbread >Subject: Re: regressing! >Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 14:51:38 -0000 > >, >We use a lot of vegetable oils ... and meats. They are our main >source of calories (no carbs, nuts, eggs, milk, etc. due to >allergies). Tom is allergic to olives, we rotate sunflower, >safflower, canola and palm. Is there anything I can do to minimize >the problem? We buy Spectrum expeller-pressed oils and store them >in a dark cupboard. Should I be refrigerating them? Is there >anything else I can do? > >Suzanne > > > > > > " For rotation you can use Huang Lian (chinese goldenseal), >goldenseal, > > >cinnamon oil, grapeseed extract, oreganol (not oregano leaf oil, > > >commonly sold, but mediterranian oregano leaf oil, different >variety), > > >p'au d'arco and chapperal together, olive leaf extract, to name a >few. " > > > > > >Pau d'arco is not SCD legal. > > >I've not heard of grapeseed extract being used for yeast, but >maybe it > > >works. I generally read about people using grapefruit seed >extract. > > >I'm not familiar with whether some of the other things you've >listed > > >(chapperal, goldenseal, etc.) are legal for SCD. > > > > > > > > >Jody > > >mom to -7 and -9 > > >SCD 1/03 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read >the book > > >_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the >following > > >websites: > > >http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info > > >and > > >http://www.pecanbread.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 About yeast... > I generally read about people using grapefruit seed extract. I used to use grapefruit seed extract for vaginal candida, also for gut candida, with great results. However, recent research showed that grapefruit seed extract itself is worthless as an anti-microbial agent. Turns out the effectiveness of GSE against yeast and other " bugs " was due to contamination by disinfectants which are not recommended for human consumption. (I can't remember whether these disinfectants are known to be toxic to humans, or just not known to be safe.) The researchers made their own very pure GSE to test, as well as testing different GSE's you can buy. I read recently that Black Spanish Radish is a highly effective antifungal. You can buy it fresh at the grocery store but I don't know whether just eating it works; or get it as a Standard Process supplement; or buy the active ingredient indole-3-carbinol. The source I read said that indole-3-carbinol is the only anti-candida agent he's found that doesn't seem to lose its effectiveness (due to candida's ability to mutate and adapt) in a week. Hope this is helpful. Kayla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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