Guest guest Posted July 15, 2000 Report Share Posted July 15, 2000 In a message dated 7/15/2000 11:33:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Dr_Rutledge@... writes: << Funny business. RR >> It Truly is!!! TL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2000 Report Share Posted July 15, 2000 Hi Dr. Rutledge, I wanted to thank you personally for responding to my post. I was thrilled to see your response and appreciated the info. I now know that the old mason loop patients had bile reflux soon after surgery ( 40%). Was that the gastritis type only? Any stats on that longterm Bile Esophagitis or cancer with those patients? Also thanks for clearing up that none of your patients have had anything but bile reflux gastritis symptom in the early months. Thanks again, laurie in Ohio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2000 Report Share Posted July 15, 2000 Any stats on that long-term > Bile Esophagitis or cancer with those patients? Also thanks for > clearing up that none of your patients have had anything but bile > reflux gastritis symptom in the early months. > Yes. Never, ever been reported. That is why no Dr. has ever referred to a paper on the subject. You have never for example heard " In the series by Dr X, XX patients developed esophageal cancer after loop gastric bypass " Never ever been reported. It is only a " Theoretical " concern. Now here is another kicker. The real cause of esophageal cancer is ACID reflux. Guess what. Some type of weight loss surgery cause severe ACID reflux in greater than 15% of patients (Lap Band, Gastric Band, Vertical Banded Gastroplasty etc.) Are the surgeons who seem so very concerned about the MGB reflux as concerned about the high rates of ACID reflux from the banded procedures? Answer: Nope. Hmmm... I guess they are so busy worrying about the MGB that they don't have time to worry about the thousands and thousands of cases of esophagitis caused by other types of weight loss surgery. But there are no cases of esophagitis after MGB. Esophagitis Esophagitis is a well described complication of several types of weight loss surgery. In a study by Westling[32] of 90 patients undergoing Silicone-adjustable Gastric band 32 patients (35%) were re-operated upon. Erosive esophagitis was the cause requiring reoperation in 14 patients (16%). In a study by Ovrebo[33] of gastric banding with respect to postsurgical gastroesophageal reflux. The prevalence of acid regurgitation among patients treated with gastric banding increased from 13% preoperatively to 69% following surgery. Acid inhibitors were needed in 81% of patients. The incidence of gastroesophageal reflux increased markedly after gastric banding. In a study of 159 patients after vertical banded gastroplasty 55 of the 159 patients complained of upper gastrointestinal symptoms such as vomiting (72%), esophageal reflux (17%), and epigastric pain (3%). Stenosis of the outlet of the gastric pouch was described in 40 of the 55 symptomatic patients. Esophagitis was observed in 60% of these patients[34]. In a study of 185 laparoscopic adjustable silicone gastric banding cases there were eight cases (4%) of esophagitis[35]. These and other studies show that esophagitis is a significant risk in many types of weight loss surgery. In this series of 667 Mini-Gastric Bypass patients, there were no cases of esophagitis. Funny business. RR Rutledge, M.D., F.A.C.S. The Center for Laparoscopic Obesity Surgery 4301 Ben lin Blvd. Durham, N.C. 27704 Telephone #: Fax #: Email: DrR@... ************************************************ Please Visit our Web site: http://clos.net ************************************************ Durham Regional Hospital: Also, Please consider joining the Mini-Gastric Bypass Mailing List at http://www.onelist.com MiniGastricBypass is a general discussion of the Mini-Gastric Bypass ( http://www.onelist.com/community/MiniGastricBypass ) Talk with lots of other Pre and Post Op patients and friends. Keep up to date on the latest news about the Mini-Gastric Bypass. Dr. R.'s response > Hi Dr. Rutledge, > > I wanted to thank you personally for responding to my post. I was > thrilled to see your response and appreciated the info. I now know > that the old mason loop patients had bile reflux soon after surgery > 40%). Was that the gastritis type only? Any stats on that longterm > Bile Esophagitis or cancer with those patients? Also thanks for > clearing up that none of your patients have had anything but bile > reflux gastritis symptom in the early months. > > Thanks again, > laurie in Ohio > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To email plain text is conventional, to add graphics is divine. > We'll show you how at www.supersig.com. > http://click.egroups.com/1/6808/3/_/453517/_/963717553/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > This message is from the Mini-Gastric Bypass Mailing List at Onelist.com > Please visit our web site at http://clos.net > Get the Patient Manual at http://clos.net/get_patient_manual.htm > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2000 Report Share Posted July 15, 2000 Ok one more thing and I am off to bed. Go to the National Library of Medicine Medline Search of the Medical Literature http://clos.net/medline_search.htm Search for all the articles in the world ever written about " esophageal cancer reflux bile " Results: 31 articles!!! Now... Search for all the articles in the world ever written about " esophageal cancer acid " Results: 525 articles!!! In a nice study the Billroth II has been shown to Cure Reflux!!! Minerva Chir 1995 May;50(5):493-6 [Effects of gastric resection by the Billroth II technic on reflux esophagitis associated with duodenal or pyloric ulcer]. Lorusso D, Pezzolla F, Guerra V, Giorgio I Divisione di Chirurgia, Istituto Scientifico Gastroenterologico S. De Bellis. The authors report a retrospective evaluation of the prevalence of reflux esophagitis (endoscopic diagnosis) in a consecutive series of 633 patients undergoing elective gastric resection according to Billroth II for duodenal or pyloric ulcer during the period 1974-1992 and assess the effects of surgery on co-existent esophagitis. The prevalence of reflux esophagitis associated with ulcer was 12.3%. **************************************************************************** ***** In 95% of patients Billroth II gastric resection led to the resolution or improvement of associated esophagitis. **************************************************************************** ***** The authors conclude that by eliminating the main pathological factors of reflux esophagitis associated with duodenal ulcer **************************************************************************** ***** (hypersecretion of gastric acid, impeded gastric emptying) **************************************************************************** ***** gastric resection is sufficient to achieve the resolution of esophagitis. If the Bariatric Surgeons of the world were really and honestly concerned about weight loss surgery patients developing esophageal cancer then why don't they get excited about the LapBand, the Silicone Adjustable Gastric Band, Gastric Banding and the Vertical Banded Gastroplasty???? See http://www.clos.net/mgb-paper/MGB-Paper061300.htm search for esophagitis Esophagitis Esophagitis is a well described complication of several types of weight loss surgery. In a study by Westling[32] of 90 patients undergoing Silicone-adjustable Gastric band 32 patients (35%) were re-operated upon. Erosive esophagitis was the cause requiring reoperation in 14 patients (16%). In a study by Ovrebo[33] of gastric banding with respect to postsurgical gastroesophageal reflux. The prevalence of acid regurgitation among patients treated with gastric banding increased from 13% preoperatively to 69% following surgery. Acid inhibitors were needed in 81% of patients. The incidence of gastroesophageal reflux increased markedly after gastric banding. In a study of 159 patients after vertical banded gastroplasty 55 of the 159 patients complained of upper gastrointestinal symptoms such as vomiting (72%), esophageal reflux (17%), and epigastric pain (3%). Stenosis of the outlet of the gastric pouch was described in 40 of the 55 symptomatic patients. Esophagitis was observed in 60% of these patients[34]. In a study of 185 laparoscopic adjustable silicone gastric banding cases there were eight cases (4%) of esophagitis[35]. These and other studies show that esophagitis is a significant risk in many types of weight loss surgery. In this series of 667 Mini-Gastric Bypass patients, there were no cases of esophagitis. OK , I admit you might be rubbing off on me just a little. ;-) RR Rutledge, M.D., F.A.C.S. The Center for Laparoscopic Obesity Surgery 4301 Ben lin Blvd. Durham, N.C. 27704 Telephone #: Fax #: Email: DrR@... ************************************************ Please Visit our Web site: http://clos.net ************************************************ Durham Regional Hospital: Also, Please consider joining the Mini-Gastric Bypass Mailing List at http://www.onelist.com MiniGastricBypass is a general discussion of the Mini-Gastric Bypass ( http://www.onelist.com/community/MiniGastricBypass ) Talk with lots of other Pre and Post Op patients and friends. Keep up to date on the latest news about the Mini-Gastric Bypass. Dr. R.'s response > > > > Hi Dr. Rutledge, > > > > I wanted to thank you personally for responding to my post. I was > > thrilled to see your response and appreciated the info. I now know > > that the old mason loop patients had bile reflux soon after surgery > > > 40%). Was that the gastritis type only? Any stats on that longterm > > Bile Esophagitis or cancer with those patients? Also thanks for > > clearing up that none of your patients have had anything but bile > > reflux gastritis symptom in the early months. > > > > Thanks again, > > laurie in Ohio > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To email plain text is conventional, to add graphics is divine. > > We'll show you how at www.supersig.com. > > http://click.egroups.com/1/6808/3/_/453517/_/963717553/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > This message is from the Mini-Gastric Bypass Mailing List at Onelist.com > > Please visit our web site at http://clos.net > > Get the Patient Manual at http://clos.net/get_patient_manual.htm > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! > 1. Fill in the brief application > 2. Receive approval decision within 30 seconds > 3. Get rates as low as 2.9% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR > http://click.egroups.com/1/6630/3/_/453517/_/963718368/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > This message is from the Mini-Gastric Bypass Mailing List at Onelist.com > Please visit our web site at http://clos.net > Get the Patient Manual at http://clos.net/get_patient_manual.htm > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2000 Report Share Posted July 15, 2000 Nite Dr. R. Re: Dr. R.'s response Ok one more thing and I am off to bed. Go to the National Library of Medicine Medline Search of the Medical Literature http://clos.net/medline_search.htm Search for all the articles in the world ever written about " esophageal cancer reflux bile " Results: 31 articles!!! Now... Search for all the articles in the world ever written about " esophageal cancer acid " Results: 525 articles!!! In a nice study the Billroth II has been shown to Cure Reflux!!! Minerva Chir 1995 May;50(5):493-6 [Effects of gastric resection by the Billroth II technic on reflux esophagitis associated with duodenal or pyloric ulcer]. Lorusso D, Pezzolla F, Guerra V, Giorgio I Divisione di Chirurgia, Istituto Scientifico Gastroenterologico S. De Bellis. The authors report a retrospective evaluation of the prevalence of reflux esophagitis (endoscopic diagnosis) in a consecutive series of 633 patients undergoing elective gastric resection according to Billroth II for duodenal or pyloric ulcer during the period 1974-1992 and assess the effects of surgery on co-existent esophagitis. The prevalence of reflux esophagitis associated with ulcer was 12.3%. **************************************************************************** ***** In 95% of patients Billroth II gastric resection led to the resolution or improvement of associated esophagitis. **************************************************************************** ***** The authors conclude that by eliminating the main pathological factors of reflux esophagitis associated with duodenal ulcer **************************************************************************** ***** (hypersecretion of gastric acid, impeded gastric emptying) **************************************************************************** ***** gastric resection is sufficient to achieve the resolution of esophagitis. If the Bariatric Surgeons of the world were really and honestly concerned about weight loss surgery patients developing esophageal cancer then why don't they get excited about the LapBand, the Silicone Adjustable Gastric Band, Gastric Banding and the Vertical Banded Gastroplasty???? See http://www.clos.net/mgb-paper/MGB-Paper061300.htm search for esophagitis Esophagitis Esophagitis is a well described complication of several types of weight loss surgery. In a study by Westling[32] of 90 patients undergoing Silicone-adjustable Gastric band 32 patients (35%) were re-operated upon. Erosive esophagitis was the cause requiring reoperation in 14 patients (16%). In a study by Ovrebo[33] of gastric banding with respect to postsurgical gastroesophageal reflux. The prevalence of acid regurgitation among patients treated with gastric banding increased from 13% preoperatively to 69% following surgery. Acid inhibitors were needed in 81% of patients. The incidence of gastroesophageal reflux increased markedly after gastric banding. In a study of 159 patients after vertical banded gastroplasty 55 of the 159 patients complained of upper gastrointestinal symptoms such as vomiting (72%), esophageal reflux (17%), and epigastric pain (3%). Stenosis of the outlet of the gastric pouch was described in 40 of the 55 symptomatic patients. Esophagitis was observed in 60% of these patients[34]. In a study of 185 laparoscopic adjustable silicone gastric banding cases there were eight cases (4%) of esophagitis[35]. These and other studies show that esophagitis is a significant risk in many types of weight loss surgery. In this series of 667 Mini-Gastric Bypass patients, there were no cases of esophagitis. OK , I admit you might be rubbing off on me just a little. ;-) RR Rutledge, M.D., F.A.C.S. The Center for Laparoscopic Obesity Surgery 4301 Ben lin Blvd. Durham, N.C. 27704 Telephone #: Fax #: Email: DrR@... ************************************************ Please Visit our Web site: http://clos.net ************************************************ Durham Regional Hospital: Also, Please consider joining the Mini-Gastric Bypass Mailing List at http://www.onelist.com MiniGastricBypass is a general discussion of the Mini-Gastric Bypass ( http://www.onelist.com/community/MiniGastricBypass ) Talk with lots of other Pre and Post Op patients and friends. Keep up to date on the latest news about the Mini-Gastric Bypass. Dr. R.'s response > > > > Hi Dr. Rutledge, > > > > I wanted to thank you personally for responding to my post. I was > > thrilled to see your response and appreciated the info. I now know > > that the old mason loop patients had bile reflux soon after surgery > > > 40%). Was that the gastritis type only? Any stats on that longterm > > Bile Esophagitis or cancer with those patients? Also thanks for > > clearing up that none of your patients have had anything but bile > > reflux gastritis symptom in the early months. > > > > Thanks again, > > laurie in Ohio > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To email plain text is conventional, to add graphics is divine. > > We'll show you how at www.supersig.com. > > http://click.egroups.com/1/6808/3/_/453517/_/963717553/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > This message is from the Mini-Gastric Bypass Mailing List at Onelist.com > > Please visit our web site at http://clos.net > > Get the Patient Manual at http://clos.net/get_patient_manual.htm > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! > 1. Fill in the brief application > 2. 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Guest guest Posted July 16, 2000 Report Share Posted July 16, 2000 In a message dated 7/15/00 8:57:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Dr_Rutledge@... writes: << OK , I admit you might be rubbing off on me just a little. ;-) RR >> I think it's the COMET Factor. Debbie in IL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2000 Report Share Posted July 16, 2000 Hi Dr. Rutledge, I am so thankful for the recent dialog. It is very hard to answer vague accusations and I am very thankful for the post from Laurie[?] where they nailed down the reason for your ASBS collegues and WL calling the MGB a " bad surgery " as being bile reflux. Now that you had something specific to answer you answered beautifully and hopefully to everyone's satisfaction. I know that I am extremely pleased with both your answer and also with my awesome, life benefitting surgery! I also feel that my prayers have been answered that other surgeons have or are going to " observe " with you and that another surgeon has ever performed 10 to 15 MGBs. For all of obese mankind, this is a great step in the right direction. Thank you also for the list of earlier MGBers. I have not had contact with any of them yet, but this is very, very reassuring. Thank you again for your gift of a better life. Yours, Dr. Bill in AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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