Guest guest Posted July 15, 2000 Report Share Posted July 15, 2000 <<<<Hmmm....I sure wish I could find out WHY she wants to put it in my hand!! I detest IV's, but I've had them often enough now that I'm starting to get better about them. I've got this great vein, up in my left arm that works swell...no pain (if you hit the vein the first time!), so she could avoid giving me a shot of novocaine, if she'd only go higher on my arm. Any nurses out there who can clue me in as to why???? the IV is put in the hand?? I will worry and fret about this until they take it out!!!!!!!!!!! Silly, maybe, but it bothers me. Tricia in IL>>>>> Hi Tricia...ok, here's one nurse's recollection of the rationale behind putting the IV in the hand. When starting an iv, if you MISS, and have to select another site, it is preferably PROXIMAL to the missed site. (proximal means closer to the body) Example. If you miss on the back of the hand, you have to go further up the arm to try again. The reason for this is that the IV fluid flows from the iv insertion site up the arm. So if you start an iv below where it was missed, it could possibly flow back out the *miss* site, causing infiltration. If you go for that great vein in the antecubital fossa, or the bend of the arm where it doesn't hurt much, and MISS, there isn't much left to go further up the arm. So you start distally (furthest away from the body) and work your way up if you have to. Most of the time, the vein in the back of the hand is much more accessible than veins in the forearm, especially in us *well-nourished* ones. The other drawback to using that vein in the bend of the arm is you have to keep it straight in order for the IV to flow properly. Since we are moving ourselves back and fortth to the op table, it would help to be able to use our arms to help ourselves. Not to mention having to keep it straight all the time after surgery in the room. I surely want those great anesthesia drugs going into my blood stream to put me to sleep, not into the tissues of my arm! Hope that helps. ebbieday in VA BTW, the drug they give you once all your papers are signed and in order and you have talked to everyone that needs to talk to you has an amnesic quality. That is why once given, you often don't remember anything that happens after that, even though you are awake. By the same token, you have to be totally alert and able to make decisions when signing that all-important op permit. If ANY drugs that affect your clarity are in your system, all that legal stuff can be null and void. Hence, you receive nothing to calm you down till every t is crossed and every i is dotted to everyone's satisfaction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2000 Report Share Posted July 15, 2000 Here's a question...why is the IV in your hand and not in the arm like I'm accustomed to?? Do we have any say where they put it? Just wondering, Tricia in IL wrote: > > No tubes in you when you wake up -- none (you still have the IV in > your > hand, though). > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2000 Report Share Posted July 15, 2000 The Bardells wrote: > > Here's a question...why is the IV in your hand and not in the arm like > I'm accustomed to?? Do we have any say where they put it? > > Just wondering, > Tricia in IL No, I tried that (talking her into putting it somewhere else.) By the time you're done trying to talk her into putting it somewhere else, she's got it done the way Sheila does it. (Nurse Sheila Weeks) Sheila gives you a little novocaine shot where she is going to put the IV needle. The novocaine hurts a little, but not much and then the IV placement isn't at all painful. You only have the IV in less than a day, too, and you're asleep the good part of that. Kind regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2000 Report Share Posted July 15, 2000 wrote: > > The Bardells wrote: > > > > Here's a question...why is the IV in your hand and not in the arm > like > > I'm accustomed to?? Do we have any say where they put it? > > > > Just wondering, > > Tricia in IL > > No, I tried that (talking her into putting it somewhere else.) > > By the time you're done trying to talk her into putting it somewhere > else, she's got it done the way Sheila does it. (Nurse Sheila Weeks) > > Sheila gives you a little novocaine shot where she is going to put the > IV needle. The novocaine hurts a little, but not much and then the IV > placement isn't at all painful. > > You only have the IV in less than a day, too, and you're asleep the > good > part of that. > > Kind regards, > > Hmmm....I sure wish I could find out WHY she wants to put it in my hand!! I detest IV's, but I've had them often enough now that I'm starting to get better about them. I've got this great vein, up in my left arm that works swell...no pain (if you hit the vein the first time!), so she could avoid giving me a shot of novocaine, if she'd only go higher on my arm. Any nurses out there who can clue me in as to why???? the IV is put in the hand?? I will worry and fret about this until they take it out!!!!!!!!!!! Silly, maybe, but it bothers me. Tricia in IL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2000 Report Share Posted July 15, 2000 Tricia Bardell wrote: > Hmmm....I sure wish I could find out WHY she wants to put it in my > hand!! I detest IV's, but I've had them often enough now that I'm > starting to get better about them. I've got this great vein, up in my > left arm that works swell...no pain (if you hit the vein the first > time!), so she could avoid giving me a shot of novocaine, if she'd > only > go higher on my arm. Any nurses out there who can clue me in as to > why???? the IV is put in the hand?? I will worry and fret about this > until they take it out!!!!!!!!!!! Silly, maybe, but it bothers me. > > Tricia in IL Me, too. I've had several IV's, too, and one time years ago where they stuck me repeatedly in the hand that was such torture, I can't tell you. It only takes once like that to make a drooling, phobic whacko out of you. So, the IV was *the* *one* *thing* I dreaded most about the surgery, no kidding. So I was really grateful it turned out to be nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2000 Report Share Posted July 16, 2000 In a message dated 7/15/00 8:32:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bardell@... writes: << Here's a question...why is the IV in your hand and not in the arm like I'm accustomed to?? Do we have any say where they put it? Just wondering, Tricia in IL >> I don't mind it in the hand if it's on the side, kinda between the thumb and the wrist, but I HATE it on the top (outside) of the hand-- that is the worst! Regards, Debbie in IL Daughter MGB 8/9 Cigna (3rd appeal)--BMI 45 Counting on Cigna for Debbie (BMI 40) ins letter sent 7/14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2000 Report Share Posted July 16, 2000 In a message dated 7/15/00 11:10:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Dwade303@... writes: << So if you start an iv below where it was missed, it could possibly flow back out the *miss* site, causing infiltration. >> Okay, so I'll bring superglue and strong packaging tape to keep the fluid from flowing out..... But, please, don't stick me in the back of the hand!!!! (pretty please with sugar-free sugar on top?) Regards, Debbie in IL Daughter MGB 8/9 Cigna (3rd appeal)--BMI 45 Counting on Cigna for Debbie (BMI 40) ins letter sent 7/14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2000 Report Share Posted July 16, 2000 Genz, Are you coming? please say yes. Trisha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2000 Report Share Posted July 16, 2000 Hi Tricia, My IV was in my arm not my hand. I guess it depends on who is putting it in and where your good veins are. Love, Genz The Bardells wrote: > Here's a question...why is the IV in your hand and not in the arm like > I'm accustomed to?? Do we have any say where they put it? > > Just wondering, > Tricia in IL > > wrote: > > > > No tubes in you when you wake up -- none (you still have the IV in > > your > > hand, though). > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! > 1. Fill in the brief application > 2. Receive approval decision within 30 seconds > 3. Get rates as low as 2.9% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR > http://click.egroups.com/1/6631/3/_/453517/_/963718296/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > This message is from the Mini-Gastric Bypass Mailing List at Onelist.com > Please visit our web site at http://clos.net > Get the Patient Manual at http://clos.net/get_patient_manual.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2000 Report Share Posted July 16, 2000 I know that there are plenty of exceptions, but I think that, by and large [no pun intended], obese patients probably have more adipose tissue to " go through " in the arm than in the hand. I know that nurses will try my arms first and the third and fourth " sticks " usually go in my hand. I have the famous " rolling veins " , and " oh, I thought I had it " or " the vein dissappeared on me " . My mgb IV nurse was caring and gentle and the hand was okey dokey. Dr. Bill " Cochise " Ingram > > > Here's a question...why is the IV in your hand and not in the arm > > like > > > I'm accustomed to?? Do we have any say where they put it? > > > > > > Just wondering, > > > Tricia in IL > > > > No, I tried that (talking her into putting it somewhere else.) > > > > By the time you're done trying to talk her into putting it somewhere > > else, she's got it done the way Sheila does it. (Nurse Sheila Weeks) > > > > Sheila gives you a little novocaine shot where she is going to put the > > IV needle. The novocaine hurts a little, but not much and then the IV > > placement isn't at all painful. > > > > You only have the IV in less than a day, too, and you're asleep the > > good > > part of that. > > > > Kind regards, > > > > > > Hmmm....I sure wish I could find out WHY she wants to put it in my > hand!! I detest IV's, but I've had them often enough now that I'm > starting to get better about them. I've got this great vein, up in my > left arm that works swell...no pain (if you hit the vein the first > time!), so she could avoid giving me a shot of novocaine, if she'd only > go higher on my arm. Any nurses out there who can clue me in as to > why???? the IV is put in the hand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2000 Report Share Posted July 17, 2000 In a message dated 7/17/2000 9:58:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bardell@... writes: << Thands, ebbieday..... Knowing the reason why will help me deal with it *a little* better! >> Tricia, My true name sake. You are worried now but by the time you get there you will be so excited you are going to start a new life, That everything will just go by so fast and the next day you will look back and say wow it's over. It's like Christmas hype hype hype and then poof, It happened that fast and is over. just rambling Trish~~who started out Tricia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2000 Report Share Posted July 17, 2000 So glad someone understands! Tricia = ) wrote: > > Me, too. I've had several IV's, too, and one time years ago where > they > stuck me repeatedly in the hand that was such torture, I can't tell > you. > It only takes once like that to make a drooling, phobic whacko out of > you. So, the IV was *the* *one* *thing* I dreaded most about the > surgery, no kidding. So I was really grateful it turned out to be > nothing. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2000 Report Share Posted July 17, 2000 Thands, ebbieday..... Knowing the reason why will help me deal with it *a little* better! Tricia = ) Dwade303@... wrote: > > <<<<Hmmm....I sure wish I could find out WHY she wants to put it in my > hand!! I detest IV's, but I've had them often enough now that I'm > starting to get better about them. I've got this great vein, up in my > left arm that works swell...no pain (if you hit the vein the first > time!), so she could avoid giving me a shot of novocaine, if she'd > only > go higher on my arm. Any nurses out there who can clue me in as to > why???? the IV is put in the hand?? I will worry and fret about this > until they take it out!!!!!!!!!!! Silly, maybe, but it bothers me. > > Tricia in IL>>>>> > > Hi Tricia...ok, here's one nurse's recollection of the rationale > behind > putting the IV in the hand. When starting an iv, if you MISS, and > have to > select another site, it is preferably PROXIMAL to the missed site. > (proximal > means closer to the body) Example. If you miss on the back of the > hand, you > have to go further up the arm to try again. The reason for this is > that the > IV fluid flows from the iv insertion site up the arm. So if you start > an iv > below where it was missed, it could possibly flow back out the *miss* > site, > causing infiltration. If you go for that great vein in the > antecubital > fossa, or the bend of the arm where it doesn't hurt much, and MISS, > there > isn't much left to go further up the arm. So you start distally > (furthest > away from the body) and work your way up if you have to. Most of the > time, > the vein in the back of the hand is much more accessible than veins in > the > forearm, especially in us *well-nourished* ones. The other drawback > to using > that vein in the bend of the arm is you have to keep it straight in > order for > the IV to flow properly. Since we are moving ourselves back and > fortth to > the op table, it would help to be able to use our arms to help > ourselves. > Not to mention having to keep it straight all the time after surgery > in the > room. I surely want those great anesthesia drugs going into my blood > stream > to put me to sleep, not into the tissues of my arm! > > Hope that helps. > > ebbieday in VA > > BTW, the drug they give you once all your papers are signed and in > order and > you have talked to everyone that needs to talk to you has an amnesic > quality. > That is why once given, you often don't remember anything that happens > after > that, even though you are awake. By the same token, you have to be > totally > alert and able to make decisions when signing that all-important op > permit. > If ANY drugs that affect your clarity are in your system, all that > legal > stuff can be null and void. Hence, you receive nothing to calm you > down till > every t is crossed and every i is dotted to everyone's satisfaction. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is from the Mini-Gastric Bypass Mailing List at > Onelist.com > Please visit our web site at http://clos.net > Get the Patient Manual at http://clos.net/get_patient_manual.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2000 Report Share Posted July 17, 2000 metrishal@... wrote: > > In a message dated 7/17/2000 9:58:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > bardell@... writes: > > << > Thands, ebbieday..... > Knowing the reason why will help me deal with it *a little* better! > >> > > Tricia, > My true name sake. You are worried now but by the time you get > there you > will be so excited you are going to start a new life, That everything > will > just go by so fast and the next day you will look back and say wow > it's > over. It's like Christmas hype hype hype and then poof, It happened > that > fast and is over. just rambling > Trish~~who started out Tricia Well, Trish, I sure hope you can tell me " I told you so " when it's all over!! Tricia = ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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