Re:ENTERO LABS/ SCD, starting point for healing

[Guest guest]

Antoinette,

I love your excitement and enthusiasm about the SCD and am so glad

it working well for your family! I would like to respond to a few

points in your email below.

BTW- my hubby also has two gluten intolerant genes- NOT celiac genes

as tested by standard docs- and has no problem at all with gluten or

any health issues at all. Just because you have the gene(s),

doesn't mean you have a problem w/ gluten- just a higher risk.

:)Janet, mom to Cody- almost 5 yrs old - SCD one week - multi food

allergies - Double DQ7 genes

> With his " genetic " testing and STOOL TESTING, 81% of the

population is going to turn out to have GLUTEN SENSITIVITY OR A

PROBLEM WITH GLUTEN. YES I SAID THE MAJORITY OF US! Take this as

your confirmation...and save your money!

**From the Enterolab site: " Gluten sensitivity implies that there is

an ongoing immune reaction to gluten in the diet, usually detected

as antibodies against a subprotein of gluten called gliadin.

Although recently these antibodies were looked for only in the blood

and are found in 12% of the general American public, my research has

revealed that these antibodies can be detected in the stool in as

many as 35% of what are otherwise normal people " **

>> I suggest that you take your money and buy wonderful SCD foods

and heal from the affects of our " civilized " world and stop eating

gluten.

** That is a great idea if affording the tests is difficult or you

don't need some type of concrete motivation to change. At the time,

I was more uneducated about the SCD and wasn't really sure gluten

was a problem at all for me or what. So, I am still glad I had the

tests done for my family as it headed us in the right direction to

this path we are on now.**

> Also remember when the gut heals on a SCDiet...most heal out of or

>get relief from their intolerance, sensitivity or allergy to

>Casein...so Dr. Fines test for this I feel is a waste of time too!

>Notice how he doesn't promote the fix for the damaged gut!

** You may be interested in Dr Fine's website www.finerhealth.com

and to know that he does not personally eat ANY grains himself and

recommends a diet centered around fruits, vegetables and nuts. They

have always been very helpful to answer any question I had and when

I wrote them some time back mentioning that our pediatrician wanted

my son to start the SCD they thought it was a good idea but because

of his high casein reaction only said to avoid dairy for now.**

[Guest guest]

Dearest Janet, I truly do not get into this GLUTEN MADNESS, and like to refer

to BTVC beliefs about celiac (which has nothing if anything to do with gluten),

it is the STARCH (gluten free or not). IT makes more since to me.

If you want to learn what www.enterolabs.com<http://www.enterolabs.com/>, and

Kennth Fine M.D. believe about gluten write him....don't blame me for being the

messenger. You may discover that many things that you said are wrong in his

" light " . I do not believe in K. Fine M.D. never will, he is a SCAM artist and

money maker, as far as I am concerned. If he is right and it is 81% of us, then

why test???? He is the one who says 81% not me!

My husband has celiac...his intestines where a mess (biopsy confirmed)....you

see he was " asymptomatic " honestly.....no symptoms...NOT ONE symptom of

classical celiac disease! The Celiac Sprue Association call this type of person

a " silent sufferer " ...so don't be so certain you have no signs...especially if

you have a kid with a damaged gut. GF diet didn't work for him either. Go to

Celiac Web sites and look into asymptomatic celiac disease. It is very

concerning.

Thanks, Antoinette (2 mo entire family SCD/celiac asd and not just because of

gluten!)

Re:ENTERO LABS/ SCD, starting point for healing

Antoinette,

I love your excitement and enthusiasm about the SCD and am so glad

it working well for your family! I would like to respond to a few

points in your email below.

BTW- my hubby also has two gluten intolerant genes- NOT celiac genes

as tested by standard docs- and has no problem at all with gluten or

any health issues at all. Just because you have the gene(s),

doesn't mean you have a problem w/ gluten- just a higher risk.

:)Janet, mom to Cody- almost 5 yrs old - SCD one week - multi food

allergies - Double DQ7 genes

> With his " genetic " testing and STOOL TESTING, 81% of the

population is going to turn out to have GLUTEN SENSITIVITY OR A

PROBLEM WITH GLUTEN. YES I SAID THE MAJORITY OF US! Take this as

your confirmation...and save your money!

**From the Enterolab site: " Gluten sensitivity implies that there is

an ongoing immune reaction to gluten in the diet, usually detected

as antibodies against a subprotein of gluten called gliadin.

Although recently these antibodies were looked for only in the blood

and are found in 12% of the general American public, my research has

revealed that these antibodies can be detected in the stool in as

many as 35% of what are otherwise normal people " **

>> I suggest that you take your money and buy wonderful SCD foods

and heal from the affects of our " civilized " world and stop eating

gluten.

** That is a great idea if affording the tests is difficult or you

don't need some type of concrete motivation to change. At the time,

I was more uneducated about the SCD and wasn't really sure gluten

was a problem at all for me or what. So, I am still glad I had the

tests done for my family as it headed us in the right direction to

this path we are on now.**

> Also remember when the gut heals on a SCDiet...most heal out of or

>get relief from their intolerance, sensitivity or allergy to

>Casein...so Dr. Fines test for this I feel is a waste of time too!

>Notice how he doesn't promote the fix for the damaged gut!

** You may be interested in Dr Fine's website www.finerhealth.com

and to know that he does not personally eat ANY grains himself and

recommends a diet centered around fruits, vegetables and nuts. They

have always been very helpful to answer any question I had and when

I wrote them some time back mentioning that our pediatrician wanted

my son to start the SCD they thought it was a good idea but because

of his high casein reaction only said to avoid dairy for now.**

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info<http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/\

>

and

http://www.pecanbread.com<http://www.pecanbread.com/>

[Guest guest]

I just wanted to chime in here supporting Summer and the other posts

on the enzymes and injured gut tissue theme.

The Great Low-n-Slow Method came about pretty much as a workaround to

the injured gut tissue situation. Before that it was said 'if you

have injured gut, don't take enzymes especially the proteases.' So

the idea that proteases irritated the gut wasn't new at all. However,

the only alternative was to forego digestive enzymes altogether.

Considering that enzymes, particularly the proteases, are so

effective at healing tissue, this presented a problem.

You could try taking really tiny amounts of an enzyme product to get

the proteases way down to a tolerable level...however, you would also

substantially decrease the total amount of all the other enzymes in

the product to a point it was much less effective.

The principal of the workaround is that you break the proteases out

and dose those separately. Start with a product very low in

proteases, or having none. This provides a good amount of all the

other enzymes for carbs, fats, and other stuff. You can get some

great digestion on the other food types going and allow gut healing

to proceed at a reasonable, yet gentle rate. After some gut healing

has been established, you can start adding in the proteases as a

separate product. Alternately, after doing one bottle of the low

protease product, switch to a broad-spectrum with higher amounts of

proteases. Either way can work.

I think of this as basic tissue healing. Just like when you fall and

badly skin your knee, the good healthy tissue is exposed and

sensitive. You need to allow a few days for the skin to heal over,

maybe a scab form, so the tissue isn't so exposed and sensitive. You

put a temporary bandaid on to protect the raw tissue. After more

healing time, the tissue is far less sensitive. Applying an

antiseptic to the wound can seriously speed up healing and prevent

infection. However, initially, that antiseptic usually stings pretty

badly when applied...but just briefly. Tissue healing on our insides

is similar to that on the outside. The proteases are like the

antiseptic. Although it is good, it can sting initially. We just

can't see inside ourselves to view the damage first hand. Going lower

and slower makes allowances for this healing time.

By taking enough of all the other non-protease enzymes, you can slow

down or stop the poorly digested foods from being a constant source

of irritation. My guess is over the past 4 years of formulating this

low-n-slow method, it has increased the success rate with enzymes a

good 30% or so.

My favorite 'starter' enzymes is currently Lacto (Enzymedica) brand.

I suggest getting just one bottle and take that first. Then at the

end of that bottle, either continue with the Lacto or switch to some

other broad-spectrum product you want to try. The Lacto is one of the

very lowest protease products but has lots of other enzymes for other

foods. It has no fillers, papain or bromelain which are common

tripping points for people. In the small amount of protease it does

contain, there is DPP IV activity for casein, gluten.

And over the past year, I get a question weekly that someone got an

enzyme product, usually one of the ones popular for autism, and they

can't tolerate no matter how much they reduce the dose. While most

people would do fine on most products, there is a significant

subgroup, probably with extensive gut injury, that just can't get out

of the starting block. I suggest they put the enzymes they got in the

back of the cabinet...don't throw them out...get a bottle of Lacto

(whether you are eating dairy or not), and do the low-n-slow

approach. At the end of the bottle of Lacto, then get out your other

product and start it again. This process works on a regular basis. So

if someone here finds they are in that situation, here is a

suggestion.

That is the gist of it, but the link for the Great Low-n-Slow Method

is here:

http://www.enzymestuff.com/basicsdosing.htm?lang=en

And just as an aside, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the SCD

yogurt had a similar effect due to the enzymes and probiotics it

provides. So going low and slow with the yogurt may be helpful,

particular if you have pronounced discomfort in the beginning.

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