Re: Reaction to Homogenized Products VS Pasturizing Raw Goats Milk

[Guest guest]

I've been meaning to make this post for a long time. Our family is amongst those

who cannot tolerate cows milk products. We use goat milk. However, even with

this, using the store bought goat milk from Trader Joe's, Wild Oats, etc. we can

only eat so much yogurt in a day, and in a week, otherwise, we start to react.

No known allergy, and no sensitivity. Recently, when we switched to buying raw

goats milk from a nearby farm (WARNING: we do pasturize this at home before

making yogurt), we can now eat a gallon of yogurt a day if we wanted to, without

anything. The phantom reaction...not testable, but purely observable. Is it the

homgenization process? Are we reacting to a change in the protein structure from

homogenization? All goat milk we have purchased has always been quality, and so,

this is the conclusion I have come to, homogenization changes the protein enough

it sets off an immune reaction in us. Anyone experienced anything similar?

Summer

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[Guest guest]

I have lots of info on this, no time now but I will post soon. BUT goat's

milk is not homogenized, because it is naturally that way, so that is

probably not the issue on that, I have an idea about the issue but no time

to write that either, later tonight all I promise

>

>Reply-To: pecanbread

>To: pecanbread

>Subject: Re: Reaction to Homogenized Products VS Pasturizing

>Raw Goats Milk

>Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:46:28 -0700 (PDT)

>

>

>I've been meaning to make this post for a long time. Our family is amongst

>those who cannot tolerate cows milk products. We use goat milk. However,

>even with this, using the store bought goat milk from Trader Joe's, Wild

>Oats, etc. we can only eat so much yogurt in a day, and in a week,

>otherwise, we start to react. No known allergy, and no sensitivity.

>Recently, when we switched to buying raw goats milk from a nearby farm

>(WARNING: we do pasturize this at home before making yogurt), we can now

>eat a gallon of yogurt a day if we wanted to, without anything. The phantom

>reaction...not testable, but purely observable. Is it the homgenization

>process? Are we reacting to a change in the protein structure from

>homogenization? All goat milk we have purchased has always been quality,

>and so, this is the conclusion I have come to, homogenization changes the

>protein enough it sets off an immune reaction in us. Anyone experienced

>anything similar?

>

> Summer

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hey !

I look forward to your information! I have been wondering. It's why I have

decided to stop buying all SCD legal goat cheese, like 60 day aged cheddar, and

learn to make my own out of this milk source. There is something huge to this.

Summer

Petrolino wrote:

I have lots of info on this, no time now but I will post soon. BUT goat's

milk is not homogenized, because it is naturally that way, so that is

probably not the issue on that, I have an idea about the issue but no time

to write that either, later tonight all I promise

>From: Gertrude Snicklegrove

>Reply-To: pecanbread

>To: pecanbread

>Subject: Re: Reaction to Homogenized Products VS Pasturizing

>Raw Goats Milk

>Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:46:28 -0700 (PDT)

>

>

>I've been meaning to make this post for a long time. Our family is amongst

>those who cannot tolerate cows milk products. We use goat milk. However,

>even with this, using the store bought goat milk from Trader Joe's, Wild

>Oats, etc. we can only eat so much yogurt in a day, and in a week,

>otherwise, we start to react. No known allergy, and no sensitivity.

>Recently, when we switched to buying raw goats milk from a nearby farm

>(WARNING: we do pasturize this at home before making yogurt), we can now

>eat a gallon of yogurt a day if we wanted to, without anything. The phantom

>reaction...not testable, but purely observable. Is it the homgenization

>process? Are we reacting to a change in the protein structure from

>homogenization? All goat milk we have purchased has always been quality,

>and so, this is the conclusion I have come to, homogenization changes the

>protein enough it sets off an immune reaction in us. Anyone experienced

>anything similar?

>

> Summer

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Summer,

Goat's milk does not need to be homogenized and usually is not to my

knowledge. I just went and looked at our carton. It is not

homogenized and the story on the back talks about how goat's milk is

naturally homogenized.

Perhaps it is the paturization process that makes the difference.

Jody

mom to -7 and -9

SCD 1/03

[Guest guest]

Jody,

This goat is learning new things. I did not realize goats milk was not

homogenized. I am utterly amazed at the difference, with store bought goats

milk, I allow my boys no more than about 1 cup total a week, because they react

to it, behavoirally. I react to it intestinally. But with this raw local milk,

there is nothing, I could literally sit down and eat 2 quarts with my sons, and

nothing. I should email the goat milk companies we used to use and find out how

they pasturize.

Thanks!

Summer

" Jody G. " wrote:

Summer,

Goat's milk does not need to be homogenized and usually is not to my

knowledge. I just went and looked at our carton. It is not

homogenized and the story on the back talks about how goat's milk is

naturally homogenized.

Perhaps it is the paturization process that makes the difference.

Jody

mom to -7 and -9

SCD 1/03

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com

[Guest guest]

It could also be what the goats eat, unlike cows goats will eat anything,

trash, feces, anything if not watched, what the goats eat would be my

suspect

>

>Reply-To: pecanbread

>To: pecanbread

>Subject: Re: Re: Reaction to Homogenized Products VS

>Pasturizing Raw Goats Milk

>Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:47:08 -0700 (PDT)

>

>Jody,

>

> This goat is learning new things. I did not realize goats milk was not

>homogenized. I am utterly amazed at the difference, with store bought goats

>milk, I allow my boys no more than about 1 cup total a week, because they

>react to it, behavoirally. I react to it intestinally. But with this raw

>local milk, there is nothing, I could literally sit down and eat 2 quarts

>with my sons, and nothing. I should email the goat milk companies we used

>to use and find out how they pasturize.

>

> Thanks!

> Summer

>

> " Jody G. " wrote:

> Summer,

>

>Goat's milk does not need to be homogenized and usually is not to my

>knowledge. I just went and looked at our carton. It is not

>homogenized and the story on the back talks about how goat's milk is

>naturally homogenized.

>

>Perhaps it is the paturization process that makes the difference.

>

>

>Jody

>mom to -7 and -9

>SCD 1/03

>

>

>

>

>

>For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

>_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

>websites:

>http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

>and

>http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

also, goat milk goes bad very quickly the company can easily hide rancid

(not know about) milk with pasturization

>

>Reply-To: pecanbread

>To: pecanbread

>Subject: Re: Re: Reaction to Homogenized Products VS

>Pasturizing Raw Goats Milk

>Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:47:08 -0700 (PDT)

>

>Jody,

>

> This goat is learning new things. I did not realize goats milk was not

>homogenized. I am utterly amazed at the difference, with store bought goats

>milk, I allow my boys no more than about 1 cup total a week, because they

>react to it, behavoirally. I react to it intestinally. But with this raw

>local milk, there is nothing, I could literally sit down and eat 2 quarts

>with my sons, and nothing. I should email the goat milk companies we used

>to use and find out how they pasturize.

>

> Thanks!

> Summer

>

> " Jody G. " wrote:

> Summer,

>

>Goat's milk does not need to be homogenized and usually is not to my

>knowledge. I just went and looked at our carton. It is not

>homogenized and the story on the back talks about how goat's milk is

>naturally homogenized.

>

>Perhaps it is the paturization process that makes the difference.

>

>

>Jody

>mom to -7 and -9

>SCD 1/03

>

>

>

>

>

>For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

>_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

>websites:

>http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

>and

>http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The raw goats I am getting is on a pastured farm, and they get some alfalfa

treats. This is so interesting!

Summer

Petrolino wrote:

It could also be what the goats eat, unlike cows goats will eat anything,

trash, feces, anything if not watched, what the goats eat would be my

suspect

>

>Reply-To: pecanbread

>To: pecanbread

>Subject: Re: Re: Reaction to Homogenized Products VS

>Pasturizing Raw Goats Milk

>Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:47:08 -0700 (PDT)

>

>Jody,

>

> This goat is learning new things. I did not realize goats milk was not

>homogenized. I am utterly amazed at the difference, with store bought goats

>milk, I allow my boys no more than about 1 cup total a week, because they

>react to it, behavoirally. I react to it intestinally. But with this raw

>local milk, there is nothing, I could literally sit down and eat 2 quarts

>with my sons, and nothing. I should email the goat milk companies we used

>to use and find out how they pasturize.

>

> Thanks!

> Summer

>

> " Jody G. " wrote:

> Summer,

>

>Goat's milk does not need to be homogenized and usually is not to my

>knowledge. I just went and looked at our carton. It is not

>homogenized and the story on the back talks about how goat's milk is

>naturally homogenized.

>

>Perhaps it is the paturization process that makes the difference.

>

>

>Jody

>mom to -7 and -9

>SCD 1/03

>

>

>

>

>

>For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

>_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

>websites:

>http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

>and

>http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I was just talking about the various " flavors " of goats milk with a good

friend who is not on this diet but tried some frozen yogurt I made.

Her granddad is a large animal vet, and does a lot of local farms. He

always gets eggs and milk from his clients. He claims you can totally

tell what the goat ate from its milk- and they do eat anything. I guess

one farmer had a goat that got into onions and the milk tasted just like

it.

Becky

mom to Noah (6, HFA) and (3, NT)

SCD 7 weeks

> It could also be what the goats eat, unlike cows goats will eat

> anything,

> trash, feces, anything if not watched, what the goats eat would be my

> suspect

[Guest guest]

Summer, we had the basic same reaction with cows milk. From the

time we got our two kids I had to keep them off liquid store milk.

If I didn't they would end up with really icky runny noses. This

was even with the lactose free stuff also. Last spring I was

adviced to start using raw milk. I did with much trepidation. To

my great delight they could drink all they wanted without any

reaction.

Sandy M.

>

>

> I've been meaning to make this post for a long time. Our family is

amongst those who cannot tolerate cows milk products. We use goat

milk. However, even with this, using the store bought goat milk from

Trader Joe's, Wild Oats, etc. we can only eat so much yogurt in a

day, and in a week, otherwise, we start to react. No known allergy,

and no sensitivity. Recently, when we switched to buying raw goats

milk from a nearby farm (WARNING: we do pasturize this at home

before making yogurt), we can now eat a gallon of yogurt a day if we

wanted to, without anything. The phantom reaction...not testable,

but purely observable. Is it the homgenization process? Are we

reacting to a change in the protein structure from homogenization?

All goat milk we have purchased has always been quality, and so,

this is the conclusion I have come to, homogenization changes the

protein enough it sets off an immune reaction in us. Anyone

experienced anything similar?

>

> Summer

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

heehee onion milk.

One thing I noticed with this new source of raw goats milk, it makes a sweeter

tasting yogurt, and is much thicker than the yogurt produced with store bought

goats milk too.

Summer

Becky Grant-Widen wrote:

I was just talking about the various " flavors " of goats milk with a good

friend who is not on this diet but tried some frozen yogurt I made.

Her granddad is a large animal vet, and does a lot of local farms. He

always gets eggs and milk from his clients. He claims you can totally

tell what the goat ate from its milk- and they do eat anything. I guess

one farmer had a goat that got into onions and the milk tasted just like

it.

Becky

mom to Noah (6, HFA) and (3, NT)

SCD 7 weeks

> It could also be what the goats eat, unlike cows goats will eat

> anything,

> trash, feces, anything if not watched, what the goats eat would be my

> suspect

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com

[Guest guest]

How do you pasteurize the goats milk?

Angie R.

>

>

> I've been meaning to make this post for a long time. Our family is amongst

those who

cannot tolerate cows milk products. We use goat milk. However, even with this,

using the

store bought goat milk from Trader Joe's, Wild Oats, etc. we can only eat so

much yogurt

in a day, and in a week, otherwise, we start to react. No known allergy, and no

sensitivity.

Recently, when we switched to buying raw goats milk from a nearby farm (WARNING:

we

do pasturize this at home before making yogurt), we can now eat a gallon of

yogurt a day

if we wanted to, without anything. The phantom reaction...not testable, but

purely

observable. Is it the homgenization process? Are we reacting to a change in the

protein

structure from homogenization? All goat milk we have purchased has always been

quality,

and so, this is the conclusion I have come to, homogenization changes the

protein enough

it sets off an immune reaction in us. Anyone experienced anything similar?

>

> Summer

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I believe when you heat it to the 180 deg. for making your yogart it

is considered pasturized? Others, correct me if I am wrong.

Sandy M.

> >

> >

> > I've been meaning to make this post for a long time. Our family

is amongst those who

> cannot tolerate cows milk products. We use goat milk. However,

even with this, using the

> store bought goat milk from Trader Joe's, Wild Oats, etc. we can

only eat so much yogurt

> in a day, and in a week, otherwise, we start to react. No known

allergy, and no sensitivity.

> Recently, when we switched to buying raw goats milk from a nearby

farm (WARNING: we

> do pasturize this at home before making yogurt), we can now eat a

gallon of yogurt a day

> if we wanted to, without anything. The phantom reaction...not

testable, but purely

> observable. Is it the homgenization process? Are we reacting to a

change in the protein

> structure from homogenization? All goat milk we have purchased has

always been quality,

> and so, this is the conclusion I have come to, homogenization

changes the protein enough

> it sets off an immune reaction in us. Anyone experienced anything

similar?

> >

> > Summer

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

The farm told us to heat goats milk to 165 degrees for 30 seconds. I bring my

own goat milk to 185 degrees for 20 seconds, and I bring the milk up to temp

super slowly.

Summer

moeller124 <no_reply > wrote:

I believe when you heat it to the 180 deg. for making your yogart it

is considered pasturized? Others, correct me if I am wrong.

Sandy M.

>

> How do you pasteurize the goats milk?

>

> Angie R.

>

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