Candida albicans biofilms/HONEY CONSUMPTION,

[Guest guest]

Dear Pals who where concerned about eating honey,

Finnaly found the stuff that Elaine was trying to tell us about

Honey being OK since it is a monosachride and immediately absorbed

by the intestines, and that it is OK to eat because it is NEVER

avialable for the yeasty beasties to eat! YEAY!!!!

Talked to our own DAN! yesturday about this and he agreed with

Elaines research. That after initail 2-5 day die off in a resonable

manner we can all have all the honey we want! He made sure I

understood that a well balanced nutrition with vegies, fruits and

meats where more important. And like Elaine said to not over do it

with the baked goods! BUT THE HONEY IS IN after the first DIE

OFF/intro diet!

Kucera M.D. our DAN!met with Elaine in person, reffered to her

as Dr. Gottshall! Even though he realizes that she was not

a " doctor " in the turest form. He said that she came across very

gentle yet powerful. Extrememly brilliant and taught him a thing or

two about BIOFILMS and how it makes honey OK to eat!

Yeast grows in biofilms, this makes it so that they can adhere to

the surface of the gut and sit their and enjoy " their " foods, like

undigested starches and sugars that are disacharides and

polysacharides!......not our honey/monosacharides. When their food

source vanishes....pooped out in die off....so do they! THEY STARVE

TO DEATH THE LITTLE BUGERS/TROUBLE MAKERS!

Good news guys. If you have had an initail TRUE DIE OFF, honey

don't worry about the fruit and the honey, honey's! Unless it is

causing an anaphylatic reaction or reaction that is unbearable, such

as a Phenol reaction!

Remember DIE OFF can only happen with FANATICAL ADHERANCE...NO

CHEATING...even with the starch in a supplement.

So maybe some of us need to go back to the intro to cause a good die

off...make sure everything in the mouth is legal...and not have to

take out all that honey or fruits honey!

Hope this helps us to relax about the honey argument. An argument

so sweet it makes me sick. We did the intro for 7 to 10 days...it

was all we could digest.

Antoinette and her silly yaks at the Bunce Zoo!

2 mo entire family scd/celiac/malabsorption/asd and healing with our

new DAN! and a STRICT SCDiet.

[Guest guest]

Just have to jump in here...but does yeast always stay in the gut in it's

little biofilm? Doesn't it have the ability to leg out and invade every part

of our bodies if left alone over time? I know with both our daughters we see

yeast problems in every part of their little bodies and I really suspect

that our oldest daughters thyroid problems are yeast related. We are very

low honey right now until we know that it has cleared from her throat and

mouth area.

Kerri

Candida albicans biofilms/HONEY CONSUMPTION,

>

> Dear Pals who where concerned about eating honey,

>

> Finnaly found the stuff that Elaine was trying to tell us about

> Honey being OK since it is a monosachride and immediately absorbed

> by the intestines, and that it is OK to eat because it is NEVER

> avialable for the yeasty beasties to eat! YEAY!!!!

>

> Talked to our own DAN! yesturday about this and he agreed with

> Elaines research. That after initail 2-5 day die off in a resonable

> manner we can all have all the honey we want! He made sure I

> understood that a well balanced nutrition with vegies, fruits and

> meats where more important. And like Elaine said to not over do it

> with the baked goods! BUT THE HONEY IS IN after the first DIE

> OFF/intro diet!

>

> Kucera M.D. our DAN!met with Elaine in person, reffered to her

> as Dr. Gottshall! Even though he realizes that she was not

> a " doctor " in the turest form. He said that she came across very

> gentle yet powerful. Extrememly brilliant and taught him a thing or

> two about BIOFILMS and how it makes honey OK to eat!

>

> Yeast grows in biofilms, this makes it so that they can adhere to

> the surface of the gut and sit their and enjoy " their " foods, like

> undigested starches and sugars that are disacharides and

> polysacharides!......not our honey/monosacharides. When their food

> source vanishes....pooped out in die off....so do they! THEY STARVE

> TO DEATH THE LITTLE BUGERS/TROUBLE MAKERS!

>

> Good news guys. If you have had an initail TRUE DIE OFF, honey

> don't worry about the fruit and the honey, honey's! Unless it is

> causing an anaphylatic reaction or reaction that is unbearable, such

> as a Phenol reaction!

>

> Remember DIE OFF can only happen with FANATICAL ADHERANCE...NO

> CHEATING...even with the starch in a supplement.

>

> So maybe some of us need to go back to the intro to cause a good die

> off...make sure everything in the mouth is legal...and not have to

> take out all that honey or fruits honey!

>

> Hope this helps us to relax about the honey argument. An argument

> so sweet it makes me sick. We did the intro for 7 to 10 days...it

> was all we could digest.

>

> Antoinette and her silly yaks at the Bunce Zoo!

>

> 2 mo entire family scd/celiac/malabsorption/asd and healing with our

> new DAN! and a STRICT SCDiet.

>

>

>

>

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

> _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

> websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

[Guest guest]

I most respectfully beg to differ.

Honey is okay for the diet, but not okay for everybody on the diet. Honey can

feed some strains of yeast, it is a notorious yeast feeder, and for those with

weak pancreas' and glucose/brain metabolism, honey can make some children go

willd, in addition to the yeast issue. Also, for those with the inability to

break down phenols, honey can pose a problem.

I agree with you, honey is scd legal and a healthy food. However, diets cannot

be done strictly by the book in many instances, they have to be tailored. We, at

one time, limited honey to no more than about a teaspoon a day, and enzymes

helped even more. Honey contains monosaccharide sugars, fructose and glucose.

and these sugars, like the sugars in bananas and grapes, can feed certain

populations of yeasts and gut bugs.

Our usage of enzymes greatly speeded up the process of digesting and killing

some of these unwanted secondary infections, but nearly taking honey out for

awhile helped. It's another reason why juice drinking is not recommended for

those in yeast flares, you're just trying to get the upperhand.

You will find one DAN doctor has one opinion, and another, another opinion.

The best information available is a food journal and direct

observation...patters in learning, growth and behavoir show up.

It is refutable that honey does not feed yeast beasties, many people on this

list and others directly fight out of control yeast infections by keeping honey

to a minimum. The positive side to this, just because it is a minimum at one

point, doesn't mean it will always be off limits. Another finding, many people

around here do better with lower carb diets, while some people heal best with

higher carb. One size does not fit all.

I would not, however, remove honey from a diet based on any doctor's

recommendation alone, rather, let the detailed food journal reveal what needs to

be done. Trying a gentle honey-less experiement to see if it helps as well. Some

yeast beasties do not feed off of honey, so it can be added back in if there is

no reaction.

Many yeasts, when deprived of their dissacharides and polysaccharides actual

adapt to other food sources. Remember, Dan Docs can only test for a handful of

yeasts out of thousands of strains...it is new scientific territory, no one can

say with complete authority any absolutes when it comes to yeast. If it were

that easy to starve all yeast buggers to death, then simply being on a

dissacharide/polysaccharide free diet would cure all. Over time, as the gut

heals, and can support more beneficial bacteria, these issues do heal.

Summer

kikijabunce wrote:

Dear Pals who where concerned about eating honey,

Finnaly found the stuff that Elaine was trying to tell us about

Honey being OK since it is a monosachride and immediately absorbed

by the intestines, and that it is OK to eat because it is NEVER

avialable for the yeasty beasties to eat! YEAY!!!!

Talked to our own DAN! yesturday about this and he agreed with

Elaines research. That after initail 2-5 day die off in a resonable

manner we can all have all the honey we want! He made sure I

understood that a well balanced nutrition with vegies, fruits and

meats where more important. And like Elaine said to not over do it

with the baked goods! BUT THE HONEY IS IN after the first DIE

OFF/intro diet!

Kucera M.D. our DAN!met with Elaine in person, reffered to her

as Dr. Gottshall! Even though he realizes that she was not

a " doctor " in the turest form. He said that she came across very

gentle yet powerful. Extrememly brilliant and taught him a thing or

two about BIOFILMS and how it makes honey OK to eat!

Yeast grows in biofilms, this makes it so that they can adhere to

the surface of the gut and sit their and enjoy " their " foods, like

undigested starches and sugars that are disacharides and

polysacharides!......not our honey/monosacharides. When their food

source vanishes....pooped out in die off....so do they! THEY STARVE

TO DEATH THE LITTLE BUGERS/TROUBLE MAKERS!

Good news guys. If you have had an initail TRUE DIE OFF, honey

don't worry about the fruit and the honey, honey's! Unless it is

causing an anaphylatic reaction or reaction that is unbearable, such

as a Phenol reaction!

Remember DIE OFF can only happen with FANATICAL ADHERANCE...NO

CHEATING...even with the starch in a supplement.

So maybe some of us need to go back to the intro to cause a good die

off...make sure everything in the mouth is legal...and not have to

take out all that honey or fruits honey!

Hope this helps us to relax about the honey argument. An argument

so sweet it makes me sick. We did the intro for 7 to 10 days...it

was all we could digest.

Antoinette and her silly yaks at the Bunce Zoo!

2 mo entire family scd/celiac/malabsorption/asd and healing with our

new DAN! and a STRICT SCDiet.

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com

[Guest guest]

Yes! Research has shown that specific yeast species, under certain conditions

like failure to get enough biotin, mutate from a vegetable to a rhizoid form

which can burrow through all tissues, skin, organs, everything. No, yeast does

not stay in its own little biofilm, it can, and it should, but in the imuno

compromised, digestive system damaged, different stakes are at play. The answer

given by this one DAN doctor is narrow in scope, takes for granted one living

yeast living situation. Perhaps the question could have been restated, what is

the effect monosaccharide sugars on systematic fungal infections?

Summer

Kerri Swarner wrote:

Just have to jump in here...but does yeast always stay in the gut in it's

little biofilm? Doesn't it have the ability to leg out and invade every part

of our bodies if left alone over time? I know with both our daughters we see

yeast problems in every part of their little bodies and I really suspect

that our oldest daughters thyroid problems are yeast related. We are very

low honey right now until we know that it has cleared from her throat and

mouth area.

Kerri

Candida albicans biofilms/HONEY CONSUMPTION,

>

> Dear Pals who where concerned about eating honey,

>

> Finnaly found the stuff that Elaine was trying to tell us about

> Honey being OK since it is a monosachride and immediately absorbed

> by the intestines, and that it is OK to eat because it is NEVER

> avialable for the yeasty beasties to eat! YEAY!!!!

>

> Talked to our own DAN! yesturday about this and he agreed with

> Elaines research. That after initail 2-5 day die off in a resonable

> manner we can all have all the honey we want! He made sure I

> understood that a well balanced nutrition with vegies, fruits and

> meats where more important. And like Elaine said to not over do it

> with the baked goods! BUT THE HONEY IS IN after the first DIE

> OFF/intro diet!

>

> Kucera M.D. our DAN!met with Elaine in person, reffered to her

> as Dr. Gottshall! Even though he realizes that she was not

> a " doctor " in the turest form. He said that she came across very

> gentle yet powerful. Extrememly brilliant and taught him a thing or

> two about BIOFILMS and how it makes honey OK to eat!

>

> Yeast grows in biofilms, this makes it so that they can adhere to

> the surface of the gut and sit their and enjoy " their " foods, like

> undigested starches and sugars that are disacharides and

> polysacharides!......not our honey/monosacharides. When their food

> source vanishes....pooped out in die off....so do they! THEY STARVE

> TO DEATH THE LITTLE BUGERS/TROUBLE MAKERS!

>

> Good news guys. If you have had an initail TRUE DIE OFF, honey

> don't worry about the fruit and the honey, honey's! Unless it is

> causing an anaphylatic reaction or reaction that is unbearable, such

> as a Phenol reaction!

>

> Remember DIE OFF can only happen with FANATICAL ADHERANCE...NO

> CHEATING...even with the starch in a supplement.

>

> So maybe some of us need to go back to the intro to cause a good die

> off...make sure everything in the mouth is legal...and not have to

> take out all that honey or fruits honey!

>

> Hope this helps us to relax about the honey argument. An argument

> so sweet it makes me sick. We did the intro for 7 to 10 days...it

> was all we could digest.

>

> Antoinette and her silly yaks at the Bunce Zoo!

>

> 2 mo entire family scd/celiac/malabsorption/asd and healing with our

> new DAN! and a STRICT SCDiet.

>

>

>

>

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

> _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

> websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>