Re: Candida albicans biofilms/HONEY CONSUMPTION, Elaine's Words

[Guest guest]

On the front page of Healing Crow, where Elaine explains SCD, Elaine states,

" If the body cannot absorb monosaccharides or is slow in doing so, the

microbial flora in your gut feeds on these sugars. "

While all sugars must be broken down to monosaccharides to be absorbed, not

all people absorb them right away, and gut pathogens, bacteria and yeasts can

feed on the sugar nevertheless.

Summer

Kerri Swarner wrote:

Just have to jump in here...but does yeast always stay in the gut in it's

little biofilm? Doesn't it have the ability to leg out and invade every part

of our bodies if left alone over time? I know with both our daughters we see

yeast problems in every part of their little bodies and I really suspect

that our oldest daughters thyroid problems are yeast related. We are very

low honey right now until we know that it has cleared from her throat and

mouth area.

Kerri

Candida albicans biofilms/HONEY CONSUMPTION,

>

> Dear Pals who where concerned about eating honey,

>

> Finnaly found the stuff that Elaine was trying to tell us about

> Honey being OK since it is a monosachride and immediately absorbed

> by the intestines, and that it is OK to eat because it is NEVER

> avialable for the yeasty beasties to eat! YEAY!!!!

>

> Talked to our own DAN! yesturday about this and he agreed with

> Elaines research. That after initail 2-5 day die off in a resonable

> manner we can all have all the honey we want! He made sure I

> understood that a well balanced nutrition with vegies, fruits and

> meats where more important. And like Elaine said to not over do it

> with the baked goods! BUT THE HONEY IS IN after the first DIE

> OFF/intro diet!

>

> Kucera M.D. our DAN!met with Elaine in person, reffered to her

> as Dr. Gottshall! Even though he realizes that she was not

> a " doctor " in the turest form. He said that she came across very

> gentle yet powerful. Extrememly brilliant and taught him a thing or

> two about BIOFILMS and how it makes honey OK to eat!

>

> Yeast grows in biofilms, this makes it so that they can adhere to

> the surface of the gut and sit their and enjoy " their " foods, like

> undigested starches and sugars that are disacharides and

> polysacharides!......not our honey/monosacharides. When their food

> source vanishes....pooped out in die off....so do they! THEY STARVE

> TO DEATH THE LITTLE BUGERS/TROUBLE MAKERS!

>

> Good news guys. If you have had an initail TRUE DIE OFF, honey

> don't worry about the fruit and the honey, honey's! Unless it is

> causing an anaphylatic reaction or reaction that is unbearable, such

> as a Phenol reaction!

>

> Remember DIE OFF can only happen with FANATICAL ADHERANCE...NO

> CHEATING...even with the starch in a supplement.

>

> So maybe some of us need to go back to the intro to cause a good die

> off...make sure everything in the mouth is legal...and not have to

> take out all that honey or fruits honey!

>

> Hope this helps us to relax about the honey argument. An argument

> so sweet it makes me sick. We did the intro for 7 to 10 days...it

> was all we could digest.

>

> Antoinette and her silly yaks at the Bunce Zoo!

>

> 2 mo entire family scd/celiac/malabsorption/asd and healing with our

> new DAN! and a STRICT SCDiet.

>

>

>

>

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

> _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

> websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry, not on the front page of Healing Crow, you'll find Elaine's words here:

http://www.healingcrow.com/dietsmain/scd/scd.html

Gertrude Snicklegrove wrote:

On the front page of Healing Crow, where Elaine explains SCD, Elaine states,

" If the body cannot absorb monosaccharides or is slow in doing so, the

microbial flora in your gut feeds on these sugars. "

While all sugars must be broken down to monosaccharides to be absorbed, not

all people absorb them right away, and gut pathogens, bacteria and yeasts can

feed on the sugar nevertheless.

Summer

Kerri Swarner wrote:

Just have to jump in here...but does yeast always stay in the gut in it's

little biofilm? Doesn't it have the ability to leg out and invade every part

of our bodies if left alone over time? I know with both our daughters we see

yeast problems in every part of their little bodies and I really suspect

that our oldest daughters thyroid problems are yeast related. We are very

low honey right now until we know that it has cleared from her throat and

mouth area.

Kerri

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[Guest guest]

Do enzymes help with this? or do enzymes only break sugars down to

monosacharide level?

Colby

SCD 7.5 weeks

>

> On the front page of Healing Crow, where Elaine explains SCD,

Elaine states,

>

> " If the body cannot absorb monosaccharides or is slow in doing

so, the microbial flora in your gut feeds on these sugars. "

>

> While all sugars must be broken down to monosaccharides to be

absorbed, not all people absorb them right away, and gut pathogens,

bacteria and yeasts can feed on the sugar nevertheless.

>

>

> Summer

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, they can. Enzymes have helped my own Hunter with the sugar digestive

problems heal. Enzymes help heal the intestines in many ways. All enzymes are

different, and trying them out slowly, one at a time, until you find the right

one is sometimes necessary. The best book to read is " Enzymes for Autism and

Other Neurological Conditions " written by DeFelice. It was an invaluable

aid when starting enzymes.

Enzymes can also help to erode the cell wall of yeasts, some proteases can

break down yeasts, some enzymes can break down viral organisms, some enzymes

help those who cannot break down phenolic compounds, in addition to breaking

down fats making them easier to absorb ( a must when we had fatty acid

malabsorption, which is long gone!) and you need those fatty acids for brain and

immune function.

The question you asked would be a good one for Dr. Devin Houston, who can be

contacted through www.houstonni.com

Overall, absorption of all foods is increased through enzyme use for

ourselves, creating less issues overall, I would hypothesize, as the whole

system becomes more efficient, those monosaccharide sugars get absorbed at a

better pace. How can the body absorb monosaccharide sugars efficiently if it is

struggling with fatty acid absorption, protein absorption, etc? Enzymes are

indispensable in this household, and they were a great boon to our healing.

Two weeks ago, my son Hunter got his first virus since being on SCD. He got a

flu bug. Before and after were some autistic symptoms, as the bug settled in his

gut. A few days of intro, a few days of increasing dosages of the Virastop

enzymes, oreganol and probiotics (taken not together), vitamin a and d and c,

eliminated that little virus trying to set up shop in Hunter's gut. I get a good

feel for things like this because Hunter expresses illness behavoirally more

than anything else. I don't wade things like this out, because each day lost, is

another one to catch up from, and he already started SCD at 51/2 nonverbal. Now

I have the upper hand with the gut bugs, and so it shall stay with the blessed

help of digestive enzymes. A little bit about our experience.

Summer

burrow4him wrote:

Do enzymes help with this? or do enzymes only break sugars down to

monosacharide level?

Colby

SCD 7.5 weeks

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Hey guys and fellow mommy's,

Thank you Summer and all, for setting us striahgt. And helping us

all with this Yeasty Beasty thing! I truly appreciate your wisdom

of the web sites. It just goes to show that the BTVC book may need

a new edition. I hope in the future some of the other things Eliane

said are put in a newer edition.

We are going to try different enzymes today. Because we are already

eating so limited that the thought of cutting out one more food

(honey) would cause me an emotional BREAK DOWN!!!!!!!!!.

I don't know how many " big " people are doing this diet here....but

being and adult with issues has not been easy to say the least!

First it is my casien taken out...then my gluten....then my

grain....then my potato....than I find out with SCD it's my starch

and sugar....what next? Am I going to be eating dirt and water

soon! Never the less, my kids can't take it much either. Just

adjusting to SCD the last 2 months has been difficult. If it hadn't

been for the miracle we have already experienced...honey consumption

and all....we would have ran from here as fast as we could! So it

wasn't the end of the world eating honey...just could probably do

better with enzymes and cutting back a little.

Will read things more careful....when I have the time....until then

thanks for keeping me on the striaght and narrow...caling Houston's

today to pick his brain!

*****If you are an ADULT doing SCD wiht your kids, let me and my

husband know by the way you sign future posts. Thanks...very

interested in this one. No judgment...just interested...feeling

kinda alone. May go to other SCD serves to belong to the " adult "

turmoils over SCd. Hanging here for the kids only.

Sincerely, Antoinette (38 year old ASD with celiac...once a ASD

always an ASD...but thanks to SCD can feel better even when " we "

turn old!)

> Do enzymes help with this? or do enzymes only break sugars down

to

> monosacharide level?

>

> Colby

> SCD 7.5 weeks

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Antoinette,

What I posted about does not apply to everyone here, by any means. Kerri, for

instance, her daughter has some similar issues to my Hunt. In a sense, your DAN

doctor is absolutely correct, and you are correct as well. It's not right or

wrong, it is just that there is a range of possibilities of tailoring the SCD to

individual problems. Autism, immune problems, and so on, the way I see it, it is

a puzzle, and each of us piece it together, one day at a time. My puzzle is

going to look different from your puzzle, even if we have the same exact

diagnosis. After all, a diagnosis is a broad label based on similar symptoms.

Finding your own roots, like you have been doing, over time brings more and more

clarity. I really am not trying to set anybody strait, I am trying to just bring

up the possibility that SCD can be tailored, legally, for some problems, and

yeast is a difficult hurtle when the gut is damaged and the immune system

depressed. Sometimes getting in control of the

pathogenic is a little harder for some than others.

Something that is often hard to see at the beginning of SCD, this diet is

progressive. Some people heal faster, some people heal slower, but not matter

how fast or how slow, over time more foods can be eaten. Also, the longer you

are on SCD, the more you get used to this as your normal way of eating. Legal

SCD foods encompass a huge variety.

And I want to tell you too, you have no reason to cut out honey, and if you

have to limit for any reason for some time, it would be temporary. Some people

do much better low carb SCD, others do not. Enzymes were a real boon for us in

tolerating more foods, but there are many techniques you should read about

introducing foods and enzymes. Did you read the post from another pecanbreader

yesterday about starting with the Enzymedica Lacto enzyme before jumping into

other enzymes? I think that would be an appropriate start for you. Also, please

read the book " Enzyme for Autism and Other Neurological Conditions " by

DeFelice. It helped clarify what I was doing when I started enzymes. I had

started them on my own, then stopped.

There are alot of adults on pecanbread who are on SCD, I am one of them. I

also take enzymes. We use Houston's HN-Zyme, Peptizyde, No-Fenol, Enzymedica's

Virastop, I just got done trialing another lower protease enzyme with no fillers

called BioTractAid II from CEO, and a recent addition to my own (not my

children's) protocol was to add in Enzymedica's Nattokinase, that one is

specific for breaking down fibrin for people with blood problems. We used to

use Kirkman's DPP-IV and isogest, but found they were not nearly as effective as

the Houston's line. As money permits, slowly I keep trialing additional enzymes.

Virastop is a success for us. I can't comment on Nattokinase as of yet, just

getting a feel for it. Enzymes are more art than anything, and are not

comparable to each other, only comparable on how they work on your own issues

(or your children's).

Sometimes I sign with diagnosis, sometimes I don't. Everyone knows my children

lived on an undisclosed superfund site, which the EPA, finally came and abated,

one has high metals (coming down with natural methods) which directly started

his autism, and the other, had a vaccination reaction that caused him to poop

out his brains since 8 months old, settling into wasting away and ASD. I have

had numerous health problems that I am healing from, and am also ASD. I don't

like to use labels on myself too much, nor my children, because I find people

can start having a hard time seeing the person, and its easier classifying

people by labels. I am not my issues, nor do I like to hide behind mine. I was

originally vaccination injured myself, that was the start of my sentence

scrambling, speech problems, etc. What exactly I am healing from is too long a

list. lol

Summer and Family, SCD 19 months

kikijabunce wrote:

Hey guys and fellow mommy's,

Thank you Summer and all, for setting us striahgt. And helping us

all with this Yeasty Beasty thing! I truly appreciate your wisdom

of the web sites. It just goes to show that the BTVC book may need

a new edition. I hope in the future some of the other things Eliane

said are put in a newer edition.

We are going to try different enzymes today. Because we are already

eating so limited that the thought of cutting out one more food

(honey) would cause me an emotional BREAK DOWN!!!!!!!!!.

I don't know how many " big " people are doing this diet here....but

being and adult with issues has not been easy to say the least!

First it is my casien taken out...then my gluten....then my

grain....then my potato....than I find out with SCD it's my starch

and sugar....what next? Am I going to be eating dirt and water

soon! Never the less, my kids can't take it much either. Just

adjusting to SCD the last 2 months has been difficult. If it hadn't

been for the miracle we have already experienced...honey consumption

and all....we would have ran from here as fast as we could! So it

wasn't the end of the world eating honey...just could probably do

better with enzymes and cutting back a little.

Will read things more careful....when I have the time....until then

thanks for keeping me on the striaght and narrow...caling Houston's

today to pick his brain!

*****If you are an ADULT doing SCD wiht your kids, let me and my

husband know by the way you sign future posts. Thanks...very

interested in this one. No judgment...just interested...feeling

kinda alone. May go to other SCD serves to belong to the " adult "

turmoils over SCd. Hanging here for the kids only.

Sincerely, Antoinette (38 year old ASD with celiac...once a ASD

always an ASD...but thanks to SCD can feel better even when " we "

turn old!)

> Do enzymes help with this? or do enzymes only break sugars down

to

> monosacharide level?

>

> Colby

> SCD 7.5 weeks

>

>

>

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