Re: Hyper, Hyper, Hyper -- need some help/hope

[Guest guest]

Molly,

What all is he eating?

Did you start with the intro diet and add foods slowly?

Has there been a point in time when he has been more calm?

What was he eating at that point in time?

Jody

mom to -7 and -9

SCD 1/03

[Guest guest]

Hi Molly

If the hyperactivity is caused by the yogurt,then it will go away 6

days after you discontinue the yogurt. I think that Jody has asked

you good questions. It might be other things, Could it be an

infraction,has he sneeked some junk food without your knowledge?

Junk food makes my daughter hyper and lots of yogurt calms her down

Mimi

>

> My little guy has been off the charts hyper for at least a week

now.

> He is incredibly hyper regularly, but it has gotten much worse.

I'm

> literally about to lose my mind. He cannot stop moving and leaves

a

> path of destruction wherever he goes! Yikesease. I'm going nuts.

I

> am starting to think maybe he cannot tolerate the goat yogurt

after

> all. We have been using the yogurt since about 2 months into the

diet

> (been on the diet for 9 months). He showed great gains in

awareness,

> social skills, conversational skills almost immediately on the

diet,

> but his energy level is still off the charts and it the one area I

> still have a lot of concern about. Now my hunch is the yogurt is

the

> culprit. My hunches have been pretty right on in the past, so I

have

> pulled it from his diet as of today. Anyone else experienced this

> kind of behavior with the goat yogurt? As much as I love the

stuff in

> some ways I hope it is the answer. I can't take much more

bouncing,

> running, jumping, throwing, breaking, etc., etc.

>

>

> Thanks,

> molly

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Molly I can relate. My son, who never has a lack of energy is off

the charts with any type of probiotics. I gave up trying to introduce

the yogurts [nut based] and have switched to the non-dairly probiotic

SCdophillus...i found that even giving him the tiniest amount possible

out of the capsule, it made him hyper, so i am trying to give it after

supper, as it seems to take an few hours or so to 'hit' him. So far it

hasn't affected his sleep, and goodness knows he couldn't possibly get

up any earlier anyway! Aside from the probiotics and the obvious

connection to hyperness, the miniscule amount of probiotic and its

bowel affect seems to make him feel a bit on edge, or not quite

himself....die off, i am sure. So i am trying to persevere with the

smallest amount that he can tolerate, with minimal side effects.

I know how frustrating it is to have a kid whose body/mind won't be

still enough to even do the things they want to do never mind the

things we want them to!

Good luck! and by the way, i've learned to always trust those

instincts too.

Cindy, IBS, SCD 11 months

Brady, 5, ASD, CP, SCD 11 months

[Guest guest]

We had a similar problem with our son. It was not fun, but in 10 to

14 days of continueal probiotics and yogurt it vanished. We also

thought it was the yogurt. We where told that we could go slow,

which my husband thought was drawing out the process. Or just get it

over with. It was a difficult choice to make. But we descided to

dive in full force.

We think it was a strange die off reaction. Because after this his

pot belly was gone, and so was this hyper behavior. WE now wouldn't

know that he was ADHD. Different boy! Hope this gives hope.

Antoinette

(2+ months SCD entire family, mother of soon to be 5 year old who

had rage attacks, Killer Tantrums, ADHD behavior and celiac, injured

intestines...now a thing in the past...knock on wood)

>

> Hi Molly I can relate. My son, who never has a lack of energy is

off

> the charts with any type of probiotics. I gave up trying to

introduce

> the yogurts [nut based] and have switched to the non-dairly

probiotic

> SCdophillus...i found that even giving him the tiniest amount

possible

> out of the capsule, it made him hyper, so i am trying to give it

after

> supper, as it seems to take an few hours or so to 'hit' him. So

far it

> hasn't affected his sleep, and goodness knows he couldn't possibly

get

> up any earlier anyway! Aside from the probiotics and the obvious

> connection to hyperness, the miniscule amount of probiotic and its

> bowel affect seems to make him feel a bit on edge, or not quite

> himself....die off, i am sure. So i am trying to persevere with

the

> smallest amount that he can tolerate, with minimal side effects.

> I know how frustrating it is to have a kid whose body/mind won't

be

> still enough to even do the things they want to do never mind the

> things we want them to!

> Good luck! and by the way, i've learned to always trust those

> instincts too.

>

> Cindy, IBS, SCD 11 months

> Brady, 5, ASD, CP, SCD 11 months

>

[Guest guest]

Can you please list the foods your son eats and the amounts?

How do you serve the yogurt?

If you want to do a yogurt experiement, pull it out like you have done, and do

not add any new foods or take away any foods for a couple of weeks, to help get

a feel for what is going on.

It may be many factors that are occuring simultaneously.

It also could be immune sensitization with the yogurt. How much and how often

does your child eat the yogurt? If it is immune sensitization, giving the yogurt

a break and reintroducing it (with enzymes if tolerated) after a period of time

can trick the immune system out of it.

What are the underlying health issues/diagnosis? Sometimes, there can be an

infection in the gut, even a cold or flu virus that is the cause for these

systems and immune sensitization.

If you could post what the food your child eats, how much portion wise, and

what is eaten together, it might give some clues for members here to work off

of.

How is your child doing today?

Summer

ccka2001 wrote:

My little guy has been off the charts hyper for at least a week now.

He is incredibly hyper regularly, but it has gotten much worse. I'm

literally about to lose my mind. He cannot stop moving and leaves a

path of destruction wherever he goes! Yikesease. I'm going nuts. I

am starting to think maybe he cannot tolerate the goat yogurt after

all. We have been using the yogurt since about 2 months into the diet

(been on the diet for 9 months). He showed great gains in awareness,

social skills, conversational skills almost immediately on the diet,

but his energy level is still off the charts and it the one area I

still have a lot of concern about. Now my hunch is the yogurt is the

culprit. My hunches have been pretty right on in the past, so I have

pulled it from his diet as of today. Anyone else experienced this

kind of behavior with the goat yogurt? As much as I love the stuff in

some ways I hope it is the answer. I can't take much more bouncing,

running, jumping, throwing, breaking, etc., etc.

Thanks,

molly

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com

[Guest guest]

'Gut and Psychology Syndrome' by Dr.Natasha -McBride, MD

ISBN #0-9548520-0-1;

She is for homemade yougurt, but has a different take on it.

Agape,

ccka2001 wrote:

My little guy has been off the charts hyper for at least a week now.

He is incredibly hyper regularly, but it has gotten much worse. I'm

literally about to lose my mind. He cannot stop moving and leaves a

path of destruction wherever he goes! Yikesease. I'm going nuts. I

am starting to think maybe he cannot tolerate the goat yogurt after

all. We have been using the yogurt since about 2 months into the diet

(been on the diet for 9 months). He showed great gains in awareness,

social skills, conversational skills almost immediately on the diet,

but his energy level is still off the charts and it the one area I

still have a lot of concern about. Now my hunch is the yogurt is the

culprit. My hunches have been pretty right on in the past, so I have

pulled it from his diet as of today. Anyone else experienced this

kind of behavior with the goat yogurt? As much as I love the stuff in

some ways I hope it is the answer. I can't take much more bouncing,

running, jumping, throwing, breaking, etc., etc.

Thanks,

molly

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com

[Guest guest]

Allright, here are some clues for you pros. I'm very grateful for

your input. Here is Cade's brief diet history and what he eats now.

Bear in mind, I am a bit fuzzy on some of the details, but this is

roughly the story.

First of all, I should mention that Cade was unofficially diagnosed

PDD, but when the official eval. process began we had been on the diet

for close to 2 months and by the end of the process, which took close

to 2 months, they found that he did not fit the ASD criteria. He

really made tremendous gains on SCD in a very short time.

Digestivewise, he had chronic diarreah and was not gaining weight or

growing (stayed the same from age 2-3)pre SCD. Since starting the

diet he has gained 5 pounds. Don't know how many inches he has grown,

but he has definitely shot up.

We started the diet last August with one (maybe two, can't quite

remember) days on the intro diet. We then slowly added foods, all

cooked and deseeded and followed the stages on Pecanbread website at

least through stage two. He had solid poops for about a week after

starting the diet and then these became very intermittent even though

we were only in stage 1 foods, which we always cooked properly. I was

rather frustrated to say the least. I so wanted the diarreah to stop.

His DAN! prescribed Flagyl and the ped GI agreed. We tried it and by

the 14th day we were back to solid poops, so we moved on to stage 2

and included the yogurt. Things went well for awhile, but then the

poops got mushy again, not diarreah, but not formed. I got

discouraged, didn't want to mess with his diet anymore so didn't

change much. Finally decided to take out some of the fruit and saw

his poops get solid again. Have since added in foods probably more

quickly than I should and have not kept a food journal which I am

going to try to do from now on. Gosh, it sure would be helpful now.

Poops are more often than not solid at this point, but we still get a

mushy one here and there.

So, what he eats now... He pretty much eats on and off all day, so it

is hard to say what he eats together because it can be any combo of

what is listed below. Oh, and this is since my cut back on fruit,

which by the way, was also inspired by the bit of blood I was seeing

in his stool again.

a little bit of chicken (cooked several ways)

small amount of pork

very little hamburger (this one is a struggle)

avacado

carrots

peas

a tiny bit of broccoli

beet chips

Pumpkin Pie or Lemon Souffle from BTVC

peanut butter cookies from BTVC

plain peanut butter

yogurt

bananas

a scrambled or boiled egg occasionally

very watered down grape juice

homemade applesauce

homemade popsicles (beet juice and strawberries, homemade apple juice

and strawberries)

honey (in baked goods and popsicles, otherwise he can't stand the stuff)

pear

dates

coconut

Thanks so much for taking the time to read this and trying to help.

> My little guy has been off the charts hyper for at least a week now.

> He is incredibly hyper regularly, but it has gotten much worse. I'm

> literally about to lose my mind. He cannot stop moving and leaves a

> path of destruction wherever he goes! Yikesease. I'm going nuts. I

> am starting to think maybe he cannot tolerate the goat yogurt after

> all. We have been using the yogurt since about 2 months into the diet

> (been on the diet for 9 months). He showed great gains in awareness,

> social skills, conversational skills almost immediately on the diet,

> but his energy level is still off the charts and it the one area I

> still have a lot of concern about. Now my hunch is the yogurt is the

> culprit. My hunches have been pretty right on in the past, so I have

> pulled it from his diet as of today. Anyone else experienced this

> kind of behavior with the goat yogurt? As much as I love the stuff in

> some ways I hope it is the answer. I can't take much more bouncing,

> running, jumping, throwing, breaking, etc., etc.

>

>

> Thanks,

> molly

>

>

>

>

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the

book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the

following websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am in a hurry,but I will give a rushed assessment. Hope that

others will also give their input.

Thank you for describing your son's diet. I would restart the intro

diet all over again. If that is not possible than please take out

the advanced foods. Dates,coconut,peanut butter..etc... are advanced

foods that should only be eaten 3 months after all GI symptoms have

vanished.

Everyone please stay away from peanut butter! It is an advanced

food and can really delay your progress with SCD.

Mimi

> > My little guy has been off the charts hyper for at least a

week now.

> > He is incredibly hyper regularly, but it has gotten much worse.

I'm

> > literally about to lose my mind. He cannot stop moving and

leaves a

> > path of destruction wherever he goes! Yikesease. I'm going

nuts. I

> > am starting to think maybe he cannot tolerate the goat yogurt

after

> > all. We have been using the yogurt since about 2 months into

the diet

> > (been on the diet for 9 months). He showed great gains in

awareness,

> > social skills, conversational skills almost immediately on the

diet,

> > but his energy level is still off the charts and it the one area

I

> > still have a lot of concern about. Now my hunch is the yogurt

is the

> > culprit. My hunches have been pretty right on in the past, so I

have

> > pulled it from his diet as of today. Anyone else experienced

this

> > kind of behavior with the goat yogurt? As much as I love the

stuff in

> > some ways I hope it is the answer. I can't take much more

bouncing,

> > running, jumping, throwing, breaking, etc., etc.

> >

> >

> > Thanks,

> > molly

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read

the

> book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read

the

> following websites:

> > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> > and

> > http://www.pecanbread.com

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

In the BTVC book they warn us that " what we can not digest does

harm " . We learned the hard way too. You are not alone. It is

difficult sticking to such a limited list in the beginning. But in

time we will be able to eat the more advanced foods. Trust in those

that have walked before us...most can eat everything SCD legal now.

Every time we " jump " kiki pays for it dearly with a two to three day

set back with returned diarrhea and irritablity, our son becomes

more irritable again...we all (excuse the honesty) " fart " more...a

sing that we are not digesting and fermenting again....the " bad

guys " . The bloated tummy comes back a little too. Our son never

gets diarrhea, just acts like a nut and hard to get a long with.

I always go back to intro for a day or two, take extra acidolphilus

and this sets us back on track. On the most part our house is more

calm now. In the beginning our son was alway HYPER and bounceing

off the walls. I have literaly had to repair a few hole myself.

lol! Something only this serve would understand. His calmness is

sure sign we are on the right track.

We look forward to the more advanced foods. In time, in time. Go to

list of stages on Pecan Bread, it has been helpful.

Hope this helps, I trust that others can help, Antoinette (2 +

months SCD entire family of five healing from injured

intestines/celiac/ASD, when no other way worked)

> > > My little guy has been off the charts hyper for at least a

> week now.

> > > He is incredibly hyper regularly, but it has gotten much

worse.

> I'm

> > > literally about to lose my mind. He cannot stop moving and

> leaves a

> > > path of destruction wherever he goes! Yikesease. I'm going

> nuts. I

> > > am starting to think maybe he cannot tolerate the goat yogurt

> after

> > > all. We have been using the yogurt since about 2 months into

> the diet

> > > (been on the diet for 9 months). He showed great gains in

> awareness,

> > > social skills, conversational skills almost immediately on the

> diet,

> > > but his energy level is still off the charts and it the one

area

> I

> > > still have a lot of concern about. Now my hunch is the yogurt

> is the

> > > culprit. My hunches have been pretty right on in the past, so

I

> have

> > > pulled it from his diet as of today. Anyone else experienced

> this

> > > kind of behavior with the goat yogurt? As much as I love the

> stuff in

> > > some ways I hope it is the answer. I can't take much more

> bouncing,

> > > running, jumping, throwing, breaking, etc., etc.

> > >

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > molly

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read

> the

> > book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read

> the

> > following websites:

> > > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> > > and

> > > http://www.pecanbread.com

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

The diet is unbalanced. Too small on the protein, and you need protein to heal,

lots of it. Too little vegetables. Lots of fruits and sweets, 2 of the

vegetables, peas and carrots have high sugar content as well.

I would start intro over again, and add in no more than one new food every 3

days, keeping tabs on reactions. Add in more meats and cooked vegetables. I

consider all dehydrated fruits and vegetables to be difficult to digest in the

beginning stages. Peanuts have a number of issues, when you are ready to

introduce a nut butter, I would recommend almond or pecan, but until then, I

would start intro over. Move slowly when adding in foods, adding too quickly and

the reactions can become blurry.

SCD is a progressive diet, but if you go too quickly, catching problems and

yeast feeding foods can be difficult. Above all, I am concerned with the lack of

protein, then vegetables in Cade's diet. Cade needs protein to heal his

intestine and power his immune system. Sounds like yeasty beasties are having a

hey day.

Summer

ccka2001 wrote:

Allright, here are some clues for you pros. I'm very grateful for

your input. Here is Cade's brief diet history and what he eats now.

Bear in mind, I am a bit fuzzy on some of the details, but this is

roughly the story.

First of all, I should mention that Cade was unofficially diagnosed

PDD, but when the official eval. process began we had been on the diet

for close to 2 months and by the end of the process, which took close

to 2 months, they found that he did not fit the ASD criteria. He

really made tremendous gains on SCD in a very short time.

Digestivewise, he had chronic diarreah and was not gaining weight or

growing (stayed the same from age 2-3)pre SCD. Since starting the

diet he has gained 5 pounds. Don't know how many inches he has grown,

but he has definitely shot up.

We started the diet last August with one (maybe two, can't quite

remember) days on the intro diet. We then slowly added foods, all

cooked and deseeded and followed the stages on Pecanbread website at

least through stage two. He had solid poops for about a week after

starting the diet and then these became very intermittent even though

we were only in stage 1 foods, which we always cooked properly. I was

rather frustrated to say the least. I so wanted the diarreah to stop.

His DAN! prescribed Flagyl and the ped GI agreed. We tried it and by

the 14th day we were back to solid poops, so we moved on to stage 2

and included the yogurt. Things went well for awhile, but then the

poops got mushy again, not diarreah, but not formed. I got

discouraged, didn't want to mess with his diet anymore so didn't

change much. Finally decided to take out some of the fruit and saw

his poops get solid again. Have since added in foods probably more

quickly than I should and have not kept a food journal which I am

going to try to do from now on. Gosh, it sure would be helpful now.

Poops are more often than not solid at this point, but we still get a

mushy one here and there.

So, what he eats now... He pretty much eats on and off all day, so it

is hard to say what he eats together because it can be any combo of

what is listed below. Oh, and this is since my cut back on fruit,

which by the way, was also inspired by the bit of blood I was seeing

in his stool again.

a little bit of chicken (cooked several ways)

small amount of pork

very little hamburger (this one is a struggle)

avacado

carrots

peas

a tiny bit of broccoli

beet chips

Pumpkin Pie or Lemon Souffle from BTVC

peanut butter cookies from BTVC

plain peanut butter

yogurt

bananas

a scrambled or boiled egg occasionally

very watered down grape juice

homemade applesauce

homemade popsicles (beet juice and strawberries, homemade apple juice

and strawberries)

honey (in baked goods and popsicles, otherwise he can't stand the stuff)

pear

dates

coconut

Thanks so much for taking the time to read this and trying to help.

> My little guy has been off the charts hyper for at least a week now.

> He is incredibly hyper regularly, but it has gotten much worse. I'm

> literally about to lose my mind. He cannot stop moving and leaves a

> path of destruction wherever he goes! Yikesease. I'm going nuts. I

> am starting to think maybe he cannot tolerate the goat yogurt after

> all. We have been using the yogurt since about 2 months into the diet

> (been on the diet for 9 months). He showed great gains in awareness,

> social skills, conversational skills almost immediately on the diet,

> but his energy level is still off the charts and it the one area I

> still have a lot of concern about. Now my hunch is the yogurt is the

> culprit. My hunches have been pretty right on in the past, so I have

> pulled it from his diet as of today. Anyone else experienced this

> kind of behavior with the goat yogurt? As much as I love the stuff in

> some ways I hope it is the answer. I can't take much more bouncing,

> running, jumping, throwing, breaking, etc., etc.

>

>

> Thanks,

> molly

>

>

>

>

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the

book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the

following websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Allrighty, then, we'll be starting the intro diet again. Thanks for

all your input and help. I'll report back with positive results I am

sure.

molly

> My little guy has been off the charts hyper for at least a week now.

> He is incredibly hyper regularly, but it has gotten much worse. I'm

> literally about to lose my mind. He cannot stop moving and leaves a

> path of destruction wherever he goes! Yikesease. I'm going nuts. I

> am starting to think maybe he cannot tolerate the goat yogurt after

> all. We have been using the yogurt since about 2 months into the diet

> (been on the diet for 9 months). He showed great gains in awareness,

> social skills, conversational skills almost immediately on the diet,

> but his energy level is still off the charts and it the one area I

> still have a lot of concern about. Now my hunch is the yogurt is the

> culprit. My hunches have been pretty right on in the past, so I have

> pulled it from his diet as of today. Anyone else experienced this

> kind of behavior with the goat yogurt? As much as I love the stuff in

> some ways I hope it is the answer. I can't take much more bouncing,

> running, jumping, throwing, breaking, etc., etc.

>

>

> Thanks,

> molly

>

>

>

>

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the

book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the

following websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

when kids are born with yeast in the gut and have it within the first

weeks of thier life the immune system accepts the yeast as part of

the normal gut flora and doesn't kill it like it should so its a

lifelong issue amd early vaccines would massively accelerate the

problem

flagly is a failry toxic medication if it gets into the blood so you

need to think in terms of things like candex,

www.houstonni.com.enzymes and nroth american herb and

spice 'oreganol' to help knock the yeast back

scd needs 'extending' for high yeast kids

any grape juice is problematic cause of spores in the juice

beet juice is toxically high in nitrates and anti nutritional facotrs

and imo beetroot itself is only marginal in terms of being scd legal

some kids just do not handle nuts at all

any form of frozen food like ice cream or popsicles is a friend to

bad gut flora cuase they slow the action of the stomachs own enzymes

and reduce the activity of stomach acid

honey does seem to favour yeast

you have heaps to do so i would be quite encouraged that there is the

potential for your child to be quite well.

andrew

" thinking for yourself and testing ideas raises you above the herd

and its predators - medicine, the media and government agencies have

replaced the saber-toothed tiger, lions and giant carnivourous bears

as predators "

(from 'quotes you never read' by who_knows)

> > My little guy has been off the charts hyper for at least a week

now.

> > He is incredibly hyper regularly, but it has gotten much worse.

I'm

> > literally about to lose my mind. He cannot stop moving and

leaves a

> > path of destruction wherever he goes! Yikesease. I'm going

nuts. I

> > am starting to think maybe he cannot tolerate the goat yogurt

after

> > all. We have been using the yogurt since about 2 months into the

diet

> > (been on the diet for 9 months). He showed great gains in

awareness,

> > social skills, conversational skills almost immediately on the

diet,

> > but his energy level is still off the charts and it the one area I

> > still have a lot of concern about. Now my hunch is the yogurt is

the

> > culprit. My hunches have been pretty right on in the past, so I

have

> > pulled it from his diet as of today. Anyone else experienced this

> > kind of behavior with the goat yogurt? As much as I love the

stuff in

> > some ways I hope it is the answer. I can't take much more

bouncing,

> > running, jumping, throwing, breaking, etc., etc.

> >

> >

> > Thanks,

> > molly

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the

> book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the

> following websites:

> > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> > and

> > http://www.pecanbread.com

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

What is the best way to introduce cadex and oregonol so they are tolerated

best, what symptoms might appear after introduction?

>

>Reply-To: pecanbread

>To: pecanbread

>Subject: Re: Hyper, Hyper, Hyper -- need some help/hope

>Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 02:51:01 -0000

>

>

>

>when kids are born with yeast in the gut and have it within the first

>weeks of thier life the immune system accepts the yeast as part of

>the normal gut flora and doesn't kill it like it should so its a

>lifelong issue amd early vaccines would massively accelerate the

>problem

>

>flagly is a failry toxic medication if it gets into the blood so you

>need to think in terms of things like candex,

>www.houstonni.com.enzymes and nroth american herb and

>spice 'oreganol' to help knock the yeast back

>

>scd needs 'extending' for high yeast kids

>

>any grape juice is problematic cause of spores in the juice

>

>beet juice is toxically high in nitrates and anti nutritional facotrs

>and imo beetroot itself is only marginal in terms of being scd legal

>

>some kids just do not handle nuts at all

>

>any form of frozen food like ice cream or popsicles is a friend to

>bad gut flora cuase they slow the action of the stomachs own enzymes

>and reduce the activity of stomach acid

>

>honey does seem to favour yeast

>

>you have heaps to do so i would be quite encouraged that there is the

>potential for your child to be quite well.

>

>andrew

>

> " thinking for yourself and testing ideas raises you above the herd

>and its predators - medicine, the media and government agencies have

>replaced the saber-toothed tiger, lions and giant carnivourous bears

>as predators "

>

>(from 'quotes you never read' by who_knows)

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> > > My little guy has been off the charts hyper for at least a week

>now.

> > > He is incredibly hyper regularly, but it has gotten much worse.

>I'm

> > > literally about to lose my mind. He cannot stop moving and

>leaves a

> > > path of destruction wherever he goes! Yikesease. I'm going

>nuts. I

> > > am starting to think maybe he cannot tolerate the goat yogurt

>after

> > > all. We have been using the yogurt since about 2 months into the

>diet

> > > (been on the diet for 9 months). He showed great gains in

>awareness,

> > > social skills, conversational skills almost immediately on the

>diet,

> > > but his energy level is still off the charts and it the one area I

> > > still have a lot of concern about. Now my hunch is the yogurt is

>the

> > > culprit. My hunches have been pretty right on in the past, so I

>have

> > > pulled it from his diet as of today. Anyone else experienced this

> > > kind of behavior with the goat yogurt? As much as I love the

>stuff in

> > > some ways I hope it is the answer. I can't take much more

>bouncing,

> > > running, jumping, throwing, breaking, etc., etc.

> > >

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > molly

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the

> > book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the

> > following websites:

> > > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> > > and

> > > http://www.pecanbread.com

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

in your case laura, think what you would do and then do the opposite,

you would proably get by

candex btw

>

> What is the best way to introduce cadex and oregonol so they are

tolerated

> best, what symptoms might appear after introduction?

>

[Guest guest]

From our personal experience I would be very very careful using any

enzymes such as Candex that has protease in it in the beginning of

healing. This enzyme caused me and my daughter much set backs in

the beginning. Pain, buring and such. I later discovered that

Elaine herself did not approve of the use of protease in those who

had injured inflamed and already irritated intestines.

Since many of our autistic kids arrive to start the SCDiet with

intestines, in God knows what condition (unless they have been

confirmed as such by a GI specialist), you may not even know. You

may want to take heed with this suggestion until after the gut heals

by doing SCD alone. Or take notice of increased pain, cramping and

diarrhea if you go this route.

SCDiet alone finnaly is what truly worked in getting our daughters,

and my own Yeast situation under better control. Yet we came here

with seriously damaged intestines and confirmed Celiac DIsease that

was not responding to any other way of eating special.

After the gut heals we may look into this solution if we continue to

have a yeast problem, but trust that strict SCDiet alone may do the

job of starving all those bad gut guys out. Especialy if we stay

away from questionable sweet foods. Such as Welche's grape juice,

or any juice (Elaine said to water down half and half), questionable

vinegars (other than distiled white) and cutting back the honey like

Elaine told us to.

I realize that everyone is unigue here. But wanted to voice our

experience strength and hope with protease containing enzymes. I

wish now that we had not gone this route so soon. We truly where

not ready for this treatment plan. Too sick, and injured. Caused

KiKi serious set back and diarrehal crises.

Sincerely, Antoinette

> >

> > What is the best way to introduce cadex and oregonol so they are

> tolerated

> > best, what symptoms might appear after introduction?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

,

Thank you for posting. These brief notes contain some helpful new

nuggets of information for us, especially the notes on beets and

grape juice.

Suzanne

> > > My little guy has been off the charts hyper for at least a

week

> now.

> > > He is incredibly hyper regularly, but it has gotten much

worse.

> I'm

> > > literally about to lose my mind. He cannot stop moving and

> leaves a

> > > path of destruction wherever he goes! Yikesease. I'm going

> nuts. I

> > > am starting to think maybe he cannot tolerate the goat yogurt

> after

> > > all. We have been using the yogurt since about 2 months into

the

> diet

> > > (been on the diet for 9 months). He showed great gains in

> awareness,

> > > social skills, conversational skills almost immediately on the

> diet,

> > > but his energy level is still off the charts and it the one

area I

> > > still have a lot of concern about. Now my hunch is the yogurt

is

> the

> > > culprit. My hunches have been pretty right on in the past, so

I

> have

> > > pulled it from his diet as of today. Anyone else experienced

this

> > > kind of behavior with the goat yogurt? As much as I love the

> stuff in

> > > some ways I hope it is the answer. I can't take much more

> bouncing,

> > > running, jumping, throwing, breaking, etc., etc.

> > >

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > molly

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read

the

> > book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read

the

> > following websites:

> > > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> > > and

> > > http://www.pecanbread.com

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >