RE: OT Teaching KiKI to read or sign?

[Guest guest]

We had great luck in the beginning of Early Intervention learning

basic signs using the Signing Times DVD's. Also, the Baby Bumblebee

series has been a great addition to our Speech Therapy - especially

now that we are adding in action words etc. Since Kiki is so

interested in cards she would probably greatly benefit from PECS

(picture exchange communication system). Mason uses these basic

pictures and symbols now to create sentences and describe actions.

(ie: The boy is sleeping).

http://www.signingtime.com/

http://www.babybumblebee.com/

Amy w/Mason - SCD 2 weeks

>

> Has anybody here taught a (toddler) 23 month old how to read or do

> sign language that is not wanting to talk much and still throwing

> tantrums due to frustration of not getting her point accross. I

saw a

> book for AS titled " When Babies READ " . Did not buy it yet.

>

> She is showing GREAT interest in cards with words on them. She

use to

> stim with cards for ever, but now we have turned it into a game.

Her

> stimming has been gone for a week yesturday. She loves those

cards.

>

> She also has learned a few signs since SCD started. Before she

would

> become furious and shut down if we tried to get her to

communicate.

> She has been using her voice more for the first time in her life

since

> starting SCD, but although trying to talk (babbleing more than

> anything), rather quite still and still often screaming to get her

> point accross when she has a need or becomes frustrated. She is

being

> assessed/evaluated for therapy for speech and what ever else, this

> 20th. Improved but want others suggestions. It would be nice if

we

> could help her communicate better, she is so smart..but her

thoughts

> are trapped by little language.

> Antoinete (23 month old coming out of autism/celiac/injured

intestines)

>

[Guest guest]

PECS might be a good option for her. (PECS= Exchange Communication System)

They have images with words written on them.

We made our own from photographs, but you can buy them or the software

to make them.

We used a combination of sign language and homemade PECS before

began to communicate verbally.

Jody

mom to -7 and -9

SCD 1/03

[Guest guest]

I taught myself some basic sign language, and without pressuring my children,

would sign to them whenever I spoke. Over time, before they could make the

signs, they would start reading them and understanding them, an additional

visual cue to my vocalization. Sometimes, I would use a card to get a point

across. What does the word sad mean? I would make a sad face, and this would be

understood. I would keep these communications in our everyday communication,

using them consistently, that way, our communications would not be taken out of

context of everyday, which is something I noticed when my son did ABA.

Understanding became more spontaneous has our daily communication continued.

Then one day my sons tried to start making the signs on their own. I always

paired them with words, never sign without words...(except for be quiet, like in

a movie theatre lol).

I really felt signing helped my own children start to communicate more. They

weren't much for the cards, which we also use(d), don't get me wrong, but

signing could happen spontaneously anywhere without fetching them.

Now, Hunter wants to speak clearly on his own, so you give him a word, and we

repeat it back and forth. He likes to show off to a couple of his friends, so he

is internally motivated now. Being a music teacher, I never force, but rather

show the techniques used and encourage that internal motivation to spring up.

I went through speech therapy before, and it sapped my will to live or speak

clearly, I dreaded it.

I went to music teachers like that before too, I dreaded it. lol

I Never force, I like taking the gentle way of gently teaching and exposure,

letting the kids pick up at their own pace, not forcing a pace. I want to help

make a path for the creativity to flow from that child spring. Finding that

internal motivation and coaxing it upwards cannot be taught, and takes alot of

patience.

Summer

kikijabunce wrote:

Has anybody here taught a (toddler) 23 month old how to read or do

sign language that is not wanting to talk much and still throwing

tantrums due to frustration of not getting her point accross. I saw a

book for AS titled " When Babies READ " . Did not buy it yet.

She is showing GREAT interest in cards with words on them. She use to

stim with cards for ever, but now we have turned it into a game. Her

stimming has been gone for a week yesturday. She loves those cards.

She also has learned a few signs since SCD started. Before she would

become furious and shut down if we tried to get her to communicate.

She has been using her voice more for the first time in her life since

starting SCD, but although trying to talk (babbleing more than

anything), rather quite still and still often screaming to get her

point accross when she has a need or becomes frustrated. She is being

assessed/evaluated for therapy for speech and what ever else, this

20th. Improved but want others suggestions. It would be nice if we

could help her communicate better, she is so smart..but her thoughts

are trapped by little language.

Antoinete (23 month old coming out of autism/celiac/injured intestines)

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com

[Guest guest]

Antoinette-

Do you know about PECS? We have never used it but iI think it stands for

Picture Exchange Communication System, someone correct me if I'm wrong.

This way the nonverbal child can bring a photo/picture of what they

want.

Before investing in anything, you may want to take photos of common

things, activites around the house that she may want to communicate and

try it out. Or you could also find photos of items on google and use

those. I have used picture on the web like this to label their toys, I

just add text onto the photo to help them make the connection.

Becky

mom to Noah (6, HFA) and (3, NT)

> She is showing GREAT interest in cards with words on them. She use to

> stim with cards for ever, but now we have turned it into a game. Her

> stimming has been gone for a week yesturday. She loves those cards.

[Guest guest]

sort of like art therapy correct?

>

>Reply-To: pecanbread

>To: <pecanbread >

>Subject: RE: OT Teaching KiKI to read or sign?

>Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 16:42:38 -0400

>

>Antoinette-

>Do you know about PECS? We have never used it but iI think it stands for

>Picture Exchange Communication System, someone correct me if I'm wrong.

>This way the nonverbal child can bring a photo/picture of what they

>want.

>

>Before investing in anything, you may want to take photos of common

>things, activites around the house that she may want to communicate and

>try it out. Or you could also find photos of items on google and use

>those. I have used picture on the web like this to label their toys, I

>just add text onto the photo to help them make the connection.

>

>Becky

>mom to Noah (6, HFA) and (3, NT)

>

>

> > She is showing GREAT interest in cards with words on them. She use to

> > stim with cards for ever, but now we have turned it into a game. Her

> > stimming has been gone for a week yesturday. She loves those cards.

>

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Thank you all for your input. I will look into both the PECS and

the sign language. I know a bit of ASL so we had already been using

it with verbal language. Her sister thinks it's great...yet she is

not ASD and is talking all the time now (five months younger).

KiKI isn't so thrilled...it is almost as if she has performance

anxiety. None the less, she doesn't seem to be too impressed even

with the " baby " signs other than " frog " " fish " and " more " .

The " more " she doesn't use regularly.

Would it be mean to not give it to her, in fear of her throwing a

fit, unless she signed more? Summer warned to be more gentle. I

have been, but she is not stupid and knows that I will give in

before she melts down into a puddle. Sometimes it is hard for us to

tell the difference between ASD and a true manipulative tantrum.

This card/picture ideas PECS sounds like a good one....since she

loves cards. I could visualize her already throwing them in a

tantrum all over the floor when she gets fed up with me no being

able to " read her mind " . We will see...I will make a few today and

experiment with them.

Antoinette

>

> Antoinette-

> Do you know about PECS? We have never used it but iI think it

stands for

> Picture Exchange Communication System, someone correct me if I'm

wrong.

> This way the nonverbal child can bring a photo/picture of what they

> want.

>

> Before investing in anything, you may want to take photos of common

> things, activites around the house that she may want to

communicate and

> try it out. Or you could also find photos of items on google and

use

> those. I have used picture on the web like this to label their

toys, I

> just add text onto the photo to help them make the connection.

>

> Becky

> mom to Noah (6, HFA) and (3, NT)

>

>

> > She is showing GREAT interest in cards with words on them. She

use to

> > stim with cards for ever, but now we have turned it into a game.

Her

> > stimming has been gone for a week yesturday. She loves those

cards.

>

[Guest guest]

Can print some free pecs from this site see below ..if want more can sign up

for a minimal cost to use online...much more cost effective then the $400 +

dollars Meyer

go to

www.do2learn.com

some signing videos..see

http://www.sayitvideos.com/buy.htm

Good luck

Sandy

> >

> > Antoinette-

> > Do you know about PECS? We have never used it but iI think it

> stands for

> > Picture Exchange Communication System, someone correct me if I'm

> wrong.

> > This way the nonverbal child can bring a photo/picture of what they

> > want.

> >

> > Before investing in anything, you may want to take photos of common

> > things, activites around the house that she may want to

> communicate and

> > try it out. Or you could also find photos of items on google and

> use

> > those. I have used picture on the web like this to label their

> toys, I

> > just add text onto the photo to help them make the connection.

> >

> > Becky

> > mom to Noah (6, HFA) and (3, NT)

> >

> >

> > > She is showing GREAT interest in cards with words on them. She

> use to

> > > stim with cards for ever, but now we have turned it into a game.

> Her

> > > stimming has been gone for a week yesturday. She loves those

> cards.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sandy, Thank you very much for the link! I hope it is helpful. It

will be nice when she can communicate some how better. For all of

us! Mostly her. She is truly highly inteligent....just trapped in

that little head of hers with the language of a six month old.

Better than 2 months ago...but a chalenge none the less.

Antoinette

> > >

> > > Antoinette-

> > > Do you know about PECS? We have never used it but iI think it

> > stands for

> > > Picture Exchange Communication System, someone correct me if

I'm

> > wrong.

> > > This way the nonverbal child can bring a photo/picture of what

they

> > > want.

> > >

> > > Before investing in anything, you may want to take photos of

common

> > > things, activites around the house that she may want to

> > communicate and

> > > try it out. Or you could also find photos of items on google

and

> > use

> > > those. I have used picture on the web like this to label their

> > toys, I

> > > just add text onto the photo to help them make the connection.

> > >

> > > Becky

> > > mom to Noah (6, HFA) and (3, NT)

> > >

> > >

> > > > She is showing GREAT interest in cards with words on them.

She

> > use to

> > > > stim with cards for ever, but now we have turned it into a

game.

> > Her

> > > > stimming has been gone for a week yesturday. She loves those

> > cards.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Antoinette,

You said: Summer warned to be more gentle.

Fumbling for words here, that is not how I meant it. Tantrums are tantrums, so

is frustration, giving the tools needed to curb that frustration is the answer,

not " giving in " . I didn't mean like " giving in " .

Still fumbling for words. What I mean by a gentle approach, instead of

starting a new therapy, gently let it become part of your life. We also use

PECS, still have the cards up! I started with one card, whichever is most

relevant for your house. I think it was " hungry " . Kept using that one card until

the children were used to it, then introduced another card slowly.

As a teacher, I have learned how to flow with learning styles, I can't quite

put it into accurate words. I avoid overwhelming a student. One thing at a time.

I don't make a big deal out of it, or for a young one, make a game out of it.

Just one card.

It is how I transitioned my children from drinking juice all the time, behind

their backs, I slowly added more water over a long period of time, one day they

were just drinking plain water with their supplements, they didn't notice it, it

became habitual. Now, if I tried to trade juice immediately for water, that

would not fly.

For my own kids, I made signing a part of our every communication, slowly,

they got used to it, and were able to respond to it visually and that was our

jumping off place with communication.

So, when I said I use a gentle way of teaching and learning, I did not mean

giving in. Giving in has been my sore spot, and I have paid dearly for it. A

tantrum is a tantrum. I am not saying not be compassionate with the young ones,

and with asd it isn't all just " behavoir " , nevertheless the cause, we need to

find strategies to help them deal with their frustration, not reward that

behavoir, no matter how little or how much they are controlling it.

Hunter did not respond well to a more organized approach to therapy, so for

us, a gentle and slow change in lifestyle to help him achieve his tools has

worked for us. This is the part of teaching, there is no right and no wrong,

containerizing is likened to dog training. I try to encourage my sons to be

thinkers and problem solvers, and so do not give them all the answers, but I do

give them the tools. The tools I present either as games or incorporate into our

household slowly and gently, I try to make it fun, I often have to start doing

something for a long time (preSCD) before they would catch on, instead of

forcing them to learn.

Gentle in that I am sharing my tools. Learning is spontaneous once the gut

gets on track, and starts progressing from its stuck point. We still have

issues, we are not " cured " but we're moving in that direction.

Giving in teaches children they can use a behavoir to get what they want. Now

that my Hunter is in control of the tantrum behavoir, he " acts " like he is not

at times, hiding behind it. Nip it in the bud, gently and compassionately when

they are young by setting parameters and giving of tools.

Summer

kikijabunce wrote:

Thank you all for your input. I will look into both the PECS and

the sign language. I know a bit of ASL so we had already been using

it with verbal language. Her sister thinks it's great...yet she is

not ASD and is talking all the time now (five months younger).

KiKI isn't so thrilled...it is almost as if she has performance

anxiety. None the less, she doesn't seem to be too impressed even

with the " baby " signs other than " frog " " fish " and " more " .

The " more " she doesn't use regularly.

Would it be mean to not give it to her, in fear of her throwing a

fit, unless she signed more? Summer warned to be more gentle. I

have been, but she is not stupid and knows that I will give in

before she melts down into a puddle. Sometimes it is hard for us to

tell the difference between ASD and a true manipulative tantrum.

This card/picture ideas PECS sounds like a good one....since she

loves cards. I could visualize her already throwing them in a

tantrum all over the floor when she gets fed up with me no being

able to " read her mind " . We will see...I will make a few today and

experiment with them.

Antoinette

>

> Antoinette-

> Do you know about PECS? We have never used it but iI think it

stands for

> Picture Exchange Communication System, someone correct me if I'm

wrong.

> This way the nonverbal child can bring a photo/picture of what they

> want.

>

> Before investing in anything, you may want to take photos of common

> things, activites around the house that she may want to

communicate and

> try it out. Or you could also find photos of items on google and

use

> those. I have used picture on the web like this to label their

toys, I

> just add text onto the photo to help them make the connection.

>

> Becky

> mom to Noah (6, HFA) and (3, NT)

>

>

> > She is showing GREAT interest in cards with words on them. She

use to

> > stim with cards for ever, but now we have turned it into a game.

Her

> > stimming has been gone for a week yesturday. She loves those

cards.

>

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com

[Guest guest]

Hello, May I add that PECS may be good temporarly but may underestimate their

abilty to communicatel.The speech is in their somewhare a loving playful one on

way approach will help these children have the will to push their brains to talk

as well as do many things.the Book Sonrise inspired me-by Barry Neil Kauffman.

Toni Mom to Matteo ASD 4 yrs old SCD since Oct/05

RE: OT Teaching KiKI to read or sign?

>Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 16:42:38 -0400

>

>Antoinette-

>Do you know about PECS? We have never used it but iI think it stands for

>Picture Exchange Communication System, someone correct me if I'm wrong.

>This way the nonverbal child can bring a photo/picture of what they

>want.

>

>Before investing in anything, you may want to take photos of common

>things, activites around the house that she may want to communicate and

>try it out. Or you could also find photos of items on google and use

>those. I have used picture on the web like this to label their toys, I

>just add text onto the photo to help them make the connection.

>

>Becky

>mom to Noah (6, HFA) and (3, NT)

>

>

> > She is showing GREAT interest in cards with words on them. She use to

> > stim with cards for ever, but now we have turned it into a game. Her

> > stimming has been gone for a week yesturday. She loves those cards.

>

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[Guest guest]

Varied approach is very good.. I have several of the sonrise videos..It's a

wonderful approach as is floortime and RDI..All serve a purpose.. We

incorporate all..It makes for a very well balanced way of learning..

Sandy SCD ~ 2 month/ Dan Bbiomedical & GFCF 8+ years/Dan nurse/

9 (recovered) Isaak 6 ASD doing well on SCD.............;-)

>

> Hello, May I add that PECS may be good temporarly but may underestimate

their abilty to communicatel.The speech is in their somewhare a loving playful

one on way approach will help these children have the will to push their

brains to talk as well as do many things.the Book Sonrise inspired me-by

Barry Neil Kauffman. Toni Mom to Matteo ASD 4 yrs old SCD since Oct/05

> RE: OT Teaching KiKI to read or sign?

> >Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 16:42:38 -0400

> >

> >Antoinette-

> >Do you know about PECS? We have never used it but iI think it stands for

> >Picture Exchange Communication System, someone correct me if I'm

wrong.

> >This way the nonverbal child can bring a photo/picture of what they

> >want.

> >

> >Before investing in anything, you may want to take photos of common

> >things, activites around the house that she may want to communicate and

> >try it out. Or you could also find photos of items on google and use

> >those. I have used picture on the web like this to label their toys, I

> >just add text onto the photo to help them make the connection.

> >

> >Becky

> >mom to Noah (6, HFA) and (3, NT)

> >

> >

> > > She is showing GREAT interest in cards with words on them. She use

to

> > > stim with cards for ever, but now we have turned it into a game. Her

> > > stimming has been gone for a week yesturday. She loves those cards.

> >

>

>

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> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I use art therapy with Hunter. He is a fabulous artist, and has communicated

through his drawings for years. He takes what he understands and experiences and

puts into pictures. One doctor who had a minor in art, once told me when he was

4 yrs old, that it was uncommon for a child to put things into different

perspectives as he did. I encouraged him from age 2, and he is now a self taught

artist. For complicated experiences and ideas he paints/draws them first, brings

them to me, and we attach words to them. It was a spontaneous method that

developed, another springing board to language.

Summer

Petrolino wrote:

sort of like art therapy correct?

>

>Reply-To: pecanbread

>To: <pecanbread >

>Subject: RE: OT Teaching KiKI to read or sign?

>Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 16:42:38 -0400

>

>Antoinette-

>Do you know about PECS? We have never used it but iI think it stands for

>Picture Exchange Communication System, someone correct me if I'm wrong.

>This way the nonverbal child can bring a photo/picture of what they

>want.

>

>Before investing in anything, you may want to take photos of common

>things, activites around the house that she may want to communicate and

>try it out. Or you could also find photos of items on google and use

>those. I have used picture on the web like this to label their toys, I

>just add text onto the photo to help them make the connection.

>

>Becky

>mom to Noah (6, HFA) and (3, NT)

>

>

> > She is showing GREAT interest in cards with words on them. She use to

> > stim with cards for ever, but now we have turned it into a game. Her

> > stimming has been gone for a week yesturday. She loves those cards.

>

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[Guest guest]

> sort of like art therapy correct?

I don't think PECS would be considered art therapy. Basically

pre-designed photos or basic drawings are provided by the parent or

school(not created by the child)and these photos are used by the child

to communicate wants/needs.

For instance the child would bring a picture of an apple if they want an

apple, or a more general picture that shows having a snack and the child

has been taught to use the picture for having any snack.

Then the parent/teacher can use it as an opportunity to develop verbal

communication and say " oh, KIki, you want an apple, can you say 'apple' "

Or something along those lines.

If you scroll down to the bottom of the page, you will see examples of

the ones that can be purchased. Many make their own with photos. I would

just recommend any photos done at home don't have any background clutter

for the child to get confused by.

Talk, <http://www.talklc.com/handout/Visually_Cued_Instruction.html>

Learn & Communicate - Visually Cued Instruction

I've heard art therapy can be great though. ;o)

Becky

mom to Noah (6, HFA) and (3, NT)

>

>

[Guest guest]

Just a note to add, I recently attended a seminar and the speaker has worked

with children with autism for 20+ years. She made a great point. Most children

with autism are very visual. With speech there are only words and no visual

cue. With signing there is a visual but it only lasts a second. With pictures

the visual cue is there and remains which means the kiddos don't have to try and

remember while they process the thought...they just have to process it and can

take some time to do it (pic doesn't go anywhere). PECS have been great for my

son...we recently bought a device called Go Talk by Laureate Learning

Systems....it's pretty much like a talking PECS board...boy is Mikey excited by

it!!!!

Best to all

Deanna

Gertrude Snicklegrove wrote:

I use art therapy with Hunter. He is a fabulous artist, and has communicated

through his drawings for years. He takes what he understands and experiences and

puts into pictures. One doctor who had a minor in art, once told me when he was

4 yrs old, that it was uncommon for a child to put things into different

perspectives as he did. I encouraged him from age 2, and he is now a self taught

artist. For complicated experiences and ideas he paints/draws them first, brings

them to me, and we attach words to them. It was a spontaneous method that

developed, another springing board to language.

Summer

Petrolino wrote:

sort of like art therapy correct?

>

>Reply-To: pecanbread

>To: <pecanbread >

>Subject: RE: OT Teaching KiKI to read or sign?

>Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 16:42:38 -0400

>

>Antoinette-

>Do you know about PECS? We have never used it but iI think it stands for

>Picture Exchange Communication System, someone correct me if I'm wrong.

>This way the nonverbal child can bring a photo/picture of what they

>want.

>

>Before investing in anything, you may want to take photos of common

>things, activites around the house that she may want to communicate and

>try it out. Or you could also find photos of items on google and use

>those. I have used picture on the web like this to label their toys, I

>just add text onto the photo to help them make the connection.

>

>Becky

>mom to Noah (6, HFA) and (3, NT)

>

>

> > She is showing GREAT interest in cards with words on them. She use to

> > stim with cards for ever, but now we have turned it into a game. Her

> > stimming has been gone for a week yesturday. She loves those cards.

>

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[Guest guest]

Agree with varied approaches but want to add that when using PECS you should say

the word and encourage the child to say it also and eventually you can hopefully

fade PECS out. However, as in all aspects of autism, the severity of the speech

issue varies. My son turned 5 in Feb. He has one sentence. " I want

(whatever) " . He has had this one sentence for about 8 months now and each time

he says it he has to work really hard to get each word

out.... " I............want.............cup " He's a smart little guy, show him

something once and he's got it but language has been REALLY TOUGH. Anyway,

don't underestimate your kids, trust what you know about them, but some kids

never talk and for those kids PECS or other visual help, is critical. We've

worked really hard on speech for 3 years and I'm sure more will come, but

without the pictures to communicate my son becomes very frustrated and I can

understand why. If I was in Japan and was desperate for a drink I could tell no

one.......would have to rely on signing or a picture.

Best to you all

Deanna

spectrumladyx2 wrote:

Varied approach is very good.. I have several of the sonrise videos..It's a

wonderful approach as is floortime and RDI..All serve a purpose.. We

incorporate all..It makes for a very well balanced way of learning..

Sandy SCD ~ 2 month/ Dan Bbiomedical & GFCF 8+ years/Dan nurse/

9 (recovered) Isaak 6 ASD doing well on SCD.............;-)

>

> Hello, May I add that PECS may be good temporarly but may underestimate

their abilty to communicatel.The speech is in their somewhare a loving playful

one on way approach will help these children have the will to push their

brains to talk as well as do many things.the Book Sonrise inspired me-by

Barry Neil Kauffman. Toni Mom to Matteo ASD 4 yrs old SCD since Oct/05

> RE: OT Teaching KiKI to read or sign?

> >Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 16:42:38 -0400

> >

> >Antoinette-

> >Do you know about PECS? We have never used it but iI think it stands for

> >Picture Exchange Communication System, someone correct me if I'm

wrong.

> >This way the nonverbal child can bring a photo/picture of what they

> >want.

> >

> >Before investing in anything, you may want to take photos of common

> >things, activites around the house that she may want to communicate and

> >try it out. Or you could also find photos of items on google and use

> >those. I have used picture on the web like this to label their toys, I

> >just add text onto the photo to help them make the connection.

> >

> >Becky

> >mom to Noah (6, HFA) and (3, NT)

> >

> >

> > > She is showing GREAT interest in cards with words on them. She use

to

> > > stim with cards for ever, but now we have turned it into a game. Her

> > > stimming has been gone for a week yesturday. She loves those cards.

> >

>

>

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A person on the serve is mailing me her old PECS. I look forward to

using them with KiKi. She is trying to talk more. I won't tell her

this, because she sounds so cute...but she sound like a chimp!

Better than before we started SCD...at that time it was always

crying and screaming....or SILENCE. I will take chimp anyday! I am

so thrilled that she is getting better!

Antoinette (2.5 weeks SCD/mother of 2 year old KIKI Celiac/injured

intestines/autism)

> sort of like art therapy correct?

>

>

> >

> >Reply-To: pecanbread

> >To: <pecanbread >

> >Subject: RE: OT Teaching KiKI to read or sign?

> >Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 16:42:38 -0400

> >

> >Antoinette-

> >Do you know about PECS? We have never used it but iI think it

stands for

> >Picture Exchange Communication System, someone correct me if I'm

wrong.

> >This way the nonverbal child can bring a photo/picture of what

they

> >want.

> >

> >Before investing in anything, you may want to take photos of

common

> >things, activites around the house that she may want to

communicate and

> >try it out. Or you could also find photos of items on google and

use

> >those. I have used picture on the web like this to label their

toys, I

> >just add text onto the photo to help them make the connection.

> >

> >Becky

> >mom to Noah (6, HFA) and (3, NT)

> >

> >

> > > She is showing GREAT interest in cards with words on them.

She use to

> > > stim with cards for ever, but now we have turned it into a

game. Her

> > > stimming has been gone for a week yesturday. She loves those

cards.

> >

>

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>

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the

book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the

following websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I remember those days of almost total silence...we were afraid to " shush "

when he was screaming for fear we'd lose even that. I'm so glad to hear

she's doing well.

Deanna

kikijabunce wrote:

A person on the serve is mailing me her old PECS. I look forward to

using them with KiKi. She is trying to talk more. I won't tell her

this, because she sounds so cute...but she sound like a chimp!

Better than before we started SCD...at that time it was always

crying and screaming....or SILENCE. I will take chimp anyday! I am

so thrilled that she is getting better!

Antoinette (2.5 weeks SCD/mother of 2 year old KIKI Celiac/injured

intestines/autism)

> sort of like art therapy correct?

>

>

> >

> >Reply-To: pecanbread

> >To: <pecanbread >

> >Subject: RE: OT Teaching KiKI to read or sign?

> >Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 16:42:38 -0400

> >

> >Antoinette-

> >Do you know about PECS? We have never used it but iI think it

stands for

> >Picture Exchange Communication System, someone correct me if I'm

wrong.

> >This way the nonverbal child can bring a photo/picture of what

they

> >want.

> >

> >Before investing in anything, you may want to take photos of

common

> >things, activites around the house that she may want to

communicate and

> >try it out. Or you could also find photos of items on google and

use

> >those. I have used picture on the web like this to label their

toys, I

> >just add text onto the photo to help them make the connection.

> >

> >Becky

> >mom to Noah (6, HFA) and (3, NT)

> >

> >

> > > She is showing GREAT interest in cards with words on them.

She use to

> > > stim with cards for ever, but now we have turned it into a

game. Her

> > > stimming has been gone for a week yesturday. She loves those

cards.

> >

>

> _________________________________________________________________

> Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today -

it's FREE!

> http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

>

>

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the

book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the

following websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Deanna,

Have you tried chelating?... or clatharation with PCA-Rx and AFX www.maxam.com

to get more speech/

Agape,

Deanna wrote:

Agree with varied approaches but want to add that when using PECS you should

say the word and encourage the child to say it also and eventually you can

hopefully fade PECS out. However, as in all aspects of autism, the severity of

the speech issue varies. My son turned 5 in Feb. He has one sentence. " I want

(whatever) " . He has had this one sentence for about 8 months now and each time

he says it he has to work really hard to get each word

out.... " I............want.............cup " He's a smart little guy, show him

something once and he's got it but language has been REALLY TOUGH. Anyway,

don't underestimate your kids, trust what you know about them, but some kids

never talk and for those kids PECS or other visual help, is critical. We've

worked really hard on speech for 3 years and I'm sure more will come, but

without the pictures to communicate my son becomes very frustrated and I can

understand why. If I was in Japan and was desperate for a drink I could tell no

one.......would have to rely on signing or a picture.

Best to you all

Deanna

spectrumladyx2 wrote:

Varied approach is very good.. I have several of the sonrise videos..It's a

wonderful approach as is floortime and RDI..All serve a purpose.. We

incorporate all..It makes for a very well balanced way of learning..

Sandy SCD ~ 2 month/ Dan Bbiomedical & GFCF 8+ years/Dan nurse/

9 (recovered) Isaak 6 ASD doing well on SCD.............;-)

>

> Hello, May I add that PECS may be good temporarly but may underestimate

their abilty to communicatel.The speech is in their somewhare a loving playful

one on way approach will help these children have the will to push their

brains to talk as well as do many things.the Book Sonrise inspired me-by

Barry Neil Kauffman. Toni Mom to Matteo ASD 4 yrs old SCD since Oct/05

> RE: OT Teaching KiKI to read or sign?

> >Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 16:42:38 -0400

> >

> >Antoinette-

> >Do you know about PECS? We have never used it but iI think it stands for

> >Picture Exchange Communication System, someone correct me if I'm

wrong.

> >This way the nonverbal child can bring a photo/picture of what they

> >want.

> >

> >Before investing in anything, you may want to take photos of common

> >things, activites around the house that she may want to communicate and

> >try it out. Or you could also find photos of items on google and use

> >those. I have used picture on the web like this to label their toys, I

> >just add text onto the photo to help them make the connection.

> >

> >Becky

> >mom to Noah (6, HFA) and (3, NT)

> >

> >

> > > She is showing GREAT interest in cards with words on them. She use

to

> > > stim with cards for ever, but now we have turned it into a game. Her

> > > stimming has been gone for a week yesturday. She loves those cards.

> >

>

>

____________________________________________________________

_____

> Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's

FREE!

> http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

>

>

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

>

>

>