Re: Need nitrite / nitrate advice

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Could you put rutabegas in a pressure cooker to help break down the fiber?

They are great food to open detox pathways and might actually prove to be

helpful if you can break down the cellulose in them

>

>Reply-To: pecanbread

>To: pecanbread

>Subject: Need nitrite / nitrate advice

>Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 14:47:50 -0000

>

>I don't know the first thing about nitrates / nitrites and I need an

>education. Levine posted last week that beets have nitrites

>(or maybe nitrates - I don't know the difference).

>

>We have noticed several times that Tom has gotten stimmy and

>unfocused after consuming beets, and for a while we thought it was

>an oxalate problem, and did a short trial of removing the high-

>oxalate foods from his diet (very difficult as most veggies he

>tolerates are actually high-oxalate - spinach, asparagus, beets,

>etc.). We didn't notice any behavior changes, os we stopped and then

>started the SCD instead - where we've been having great results.

>

>It is really hard to remove beets from Tom's diet until we have

>something to replace it with, he needs it for one of his rotations.

>Options are cabage and rutabagas, which he tolerates allergy-wise,

>but I don't think his gut is well-healed enough for them. He still

>isn't digesting well (undigested stools, we have some lamb pancreas

>enzymes ready to start soon when he stabilizes a bit - we just

>started Pentasa).

>

>Anyhow, I guess my questions are:

>

>1. What do nitrates / nitrites do?

>2. Do they tend to cause predictable behavior problems?

>3. How are they different/similar?

>4. What foods have nitrates/nitrites? Is there a list somewhere?

>

>Thank you!

>Suzanne

>Tom, ASD, LNH/gastritis, gut inflammation, 85 days SCD and WEANED AS

>OF TODAY!

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Huh, that's an interesting idea. Being able to add rutabagas would be

huge for us, he badly needs more higher-carb veggies. A typical meal

for the poor kid is usually something like spinach, brussel sprouts

and meat patty. He has to eat huge quantities of vegetables to get

enough calories.

I didn't realize that a pressure cooker would break down fibers. I've

never owned one. How does it do this?

Suzanne

>

> Could you put rutabegas in a pressure cooker to help break down the

fiber?

> They are great food to open detox pathways and might actually prove

to be

> helpful if you can break down the cellulose in them

[Guest guest]

I'm not sure, I just know that there are alot of veggies I can only eat if

done in pressure cooker (broccolli being one) I would be worried that

eating the huge quantities of veggies is a good part of the reason why his

digestion is not good, how could it when he is being constantly bombarded

with all of that fiber? Could you juice some of them? could he tolerate

that?

>

>Reply-To: pecanbread

>To: pecanbread

>Subject: Re: Need nitrite / nitrate advice

>Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 16:31:38 -0000

>

>Huh, that's an interesting idea. Being able to add rutabagas would be

>huge for us, he badly needs more higher-carb veggies. A typical meal

>for the poor kid is usually something like spinach, brussel sprouts

>and meat patty. He has to eat huge quantities of vegetables to get

>enough calories.

>

>I didn't realize that a pressure cooker would break down fibers. I've

>never owned one. How does it do this?

>Suzanne

>

>

> >

> > Could you put rutabegas in a pressure cooker to help break down the

>fiber?

> > They are great food to open detox pathways and might actually prove

>to be

> > helpful if you can break down the cellulose in them

>

>

>

>

>

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spinach should not be eaten to regularly as it is hard on the gut and

has a high oxalate content

on the other hand it is a very good source of vitamin k

but overdoing spinach and kale is a classic mistake on scd

spinach cooks very well in a pressure cooker btw

its the moist heat in pressure cookers that does the work, hydrolyses

the vegetables

rutabaga's/swedes are brillant in a pressure cooker

i have a computer in my kitchen and update all the pressure cooking

times on it as below, some items on the list i no longer use but will

give an idea

pressure cooking times [ pressure cook time in

minutes:seconds@pressure setting/stand down time unreleased ]

tefal delico 8 liter pressure cooker

vegetables:<br>

alfalfa sprouts 2@0/3 (scd illegal, i don't use anymore)

apples: green (very unripe) not successful, to tart and maybe toxic ,

corner tree 3@0/5 , cox orange pippin 1 1/2@0/5, granny smith 1@0/5,

johnogold 1@0/4, royal gala 1@0/4

thick asparagus 3@1/7, medium asparagus 1:30@1/5, thin asparagus

1:30@1/3,

butter beans 1@1/3 --- beans1@1/4, if tough then 1@1/6 ---

broad/faba beans 7@1/10 [scd illegal]

--- frozen beans 4 1/2@0, put the frozen beans in at the start of

heating--- scarlet runner beans4@1/4

baby asian greens 2@1/2 --- bananas 2@1/4

beetroot: 25@1/12 - 12@2/10? sliced

http://www.ejpau.media.pl/series/volume6/issue1/food/art-06.html

bok choy 1@1/3 broccoli 1@1/5 --- quality problems

brussel sprouts, cut in halves if tough or medium, 3@1/5 (medium

tough whole) sharp, 2@1/5 (tough + halves ) 1 (tenderer) @1/8

butternut roasts well in a self basting roaster with fat and water

well --- cabbage 2@1/5

carrots, large longitudinal cut 5:30@1/7, medium longitudinal cut

4@1/7, young longitudinal cut 2@1/3, sliced medium 3@1/4 sharp,

sliced or young 3@1/3, outside edges slices 1@1/2, carrot curls

4@1/9 , carrots boiled sliced 16 mins

cauliflower simmer 7 unless very tender the steam 4@0/3, doesn't seem

to sit well in the stomach, needs to be boiled like broccoli? or go

up to pressure cook@1? not a preferred veg

celery stalks 1@1/5 --- celery leaves 1@1/2 --- celery needs lots of

rain to grow well

chinese radishes long sliced 1:30@1/6? test with just a one dinner

quantity

chokos 4@1/3 " But the secret with choko is not to overcook. A little

cooking heightens the colour to a bright pale green, too much cooking

turns the colour a dull beige. " chokos aren scd negative.

corn kernals frozen 2@1/3

courgette/zucchini/marrow small 4@0/3 medium 5@0/3 but better

wok'ed........ marrow fat to lock in steam......

courgette whole and brussel sprouts 1:30@1/4

eggplant/aubergine

http://whatscookingamerica.net/Vegetables/eggplant.htm

1@1/5............. scd illegal despite being legal?

fennel 2@1/5

globe artichokes (bit tending to flower) 8@1/6 --- kumera medium

thin slices 4@1/4 --- leeks, thin cut 1@1/5, thick cut 1@1/7?

mushrooms biggish, dry, tough 4@1/10, medium 4@1/4, slightly tough

small buttons thinly sliced 3@1/5

onions (brown) whole 5@1/5, halves 4@1/5

parsley 1@1/2:30 --- parsnips long cut 1@1/6 , medium round sliced

1@1/6 --- pears unpeeled whole 4@1/4, unpeeled half 3@1/4

peas(frozen) 2@1/4 sharp. put peas in when starting cooker from cold

so they defrost before going onto pressure.

alternatively 10@0/3 - maybe issues with not decomposing anti

mitochondrial factors as much as cooking under pressure?

peas baby (frozen)1@1/5

peppers whole red 1@1/7.00, sliced 3@0/4, green not worth geting?

pumpkin, medium largish chunks 10@1/6 --- pumpkin medium, medium

slighly smaller 8@1/6 --- kabouchi 7@1/6

pumkin seeds 2@1/3 boiling gives indigestion, had to swallow a

yakult.

potato dutch cream average cut into thirds 7@1/6, smaller cut

6@1/6 --- snow peas 1@0/3 ---

radishes medium/large 2@1/2, small 1:45@1/2 --- rubbarb 2@1/2 ---

silver beet 1@1/6

baby spinach/asian greens 1.30@1/7

snow peas 2@0/3

swedes(rutabaga) thin sliced and young 16@1/6, thicker and

tougher/older, say late august 19@1/6 : slice more thinly, cut in

half again

> >

> > Could you put rutabegas in a pressure cooker to help break down

the

> fiber?

> > They are great food to open detox pathways and might actually

prove

> to be

> > helpful if you can break down the cellulose in them

>

[Guest guest]

Don't you lose calories and concentrate sugars in the juicing

process?

Suzanne

> > >

> > > Could you put rutabegas in a pressure cooker to help break

down the

> >fiber?

> > > They are great food to open detox pathways and might actually

prove

> >to be

> > > helpful if you can break down the cellulose in them

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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I would like to not give him so much spinach, but we are out of

choices with vegetables. He is allergic to most vegetables. There

are only 8 vegetables he tolerates that are not SCD-illegal or for

later in the diet. He is on an 8-day rotation diet, with 4 food sets

that he eats for 2 days each. Each food set consists of 2 veggies,

one oil, one meat, and sea salt. If we removed spinach, he'd have

to eat only brussels sprouts and meat for 2 whole days. We give him

mostly brussels sprouts and a smaller quantity of spinach, very well

cooked.

I'm not understanding your pressure cooking chart - can you explain

it please? Also, it looks like there are some SCD-illegals on there -

yes? And what are " chokos " ?

Suzanne

> > >

> > > Could you put rutabegas in a pressure cooker to help break

down

> the

> > fiber?

> > > They are great food to open detox pathways and might actually

> prove

> > to be

> > > helpful if you can break down the cellulose in them

> >

>

[Guest guest]

i don't know the difference either but nitrate preservatives in meat

are an issue and high nitrate levels in water are also an issue

beets are a polish food and they boil the beets for a long time to

leach out the bad stuff

cabbage is goitragenic, if you eat a lot of it you need to up iodine

pressure cooked celery i find a good food

>

> I don't know the first thing about nitrates / nitrites and I need

an

> education. Levine posted last week that beets have nitrites

> (or maybe nitrates - I don't know the difference).

>

> We have noticed several times that Tom has gotten stimmy and

> unfocused after consuming beets, and for a while we thought it was

> an oxalate problem, and did a short trial of removing the high-

> oxalate foods from his diet (very difficult as most veggies he

> tolerates are actually high-oxalate - spinach, asparagus, beets,

> etc.). We didn't notice any behavior changes, os we stopped and

then

> started the SCD instead - where we've been having great results.

>

> It is really hard to remove beets from Tom's diet until we have

> something to replace it with, he needs it for one of his rotations.

> Options are cabage and rutabagas, which he tolerates allergy-wise,

> but I don't think his gut is well-healed enough for them. He still

> isn't digesting well (undigested stools, we have some lamb pancreas

> enzymes ready to start soon when he stabilizes a bit - we just

> started Pentasa).

>

> Anyhow, I guess my questions are:

>

> 1. What do nitrates / nitrites do?

> 2. Do they tend to cause predictable behavior problems?

> 3. How are they different/similar?

> 4. What foods have nitrates/nitrites? Is there a list somewhere?

>

> Thank you!

> Suzanne

> Tom, ASD, LNH/gastritis, gut inflammation, 85 days SCD and WEANED

AS

> OF TODAY!

>