Guest guest Posted May 15, 2006 Report Share Posted May 15, 2006 ; Do you think your son would go for an " avocado meat sandwich " ? Try spreading some avocado (thickly) onto two slices of meat (maybe roast beef?) and sandwich them together. HTH, Kim :-) Just starting SCD for whole family - VERY hungry today!! 3 yo ASD, 2 yo NT, expecting in Dec. Weight Loss? Help! ... he was thin to begin with and now he is just plain SKINNY! He has grown almost an inch in the last month, but has lost 5 pounds! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2006 Report Share Posted May 15, 2006 > In the first month of SCd it is typical to loose some weight. Even in Dr. Haas book (the guyst that started this SCDiet) he talks about this very thing in his book. It always happens in the first two months also. It is assumed to be mostly edema, water and fecal matter that was stored in the gut that the body is getting rid of, now that it is trying to get into balance. We also lost first....by the second month I starated to gain, so did my duaghter and son. We are recovering from damaged intestines too. Try not to stress over this...it is actualy a good sign...you are on track! We are still HUNGRY! Worth it though because we are finnaly healing. We still eat 8 times a day, foods that we are certain are eazy to digest. About every 2.5 hours we are eating. No joke...lol...healing takes energy! At least we are not sharing it all with the bad gut guys anymore! lol... Also, take note of stages...becareful not to jump into too advanced foods. This will help the gut heal faster and aids in absorption and less fermentation of foods that the gut is not ready to digest yet. We still cook and puree most of the fruit we eat. Always peeling thos peels off. SCD safe spoted Bananas and Avocados are a GOD send...so are eggs not cooked rubbery. Boiled meats are easier to digest than baked. We still make lots of stews and chicken soups. Hope this helps too! Antoinette (2.5 months SCd enitre family of 5 thanks to injured intestines that lead to ASD) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2006 Report Share Posted May 15, 2006 > In the first month of SCd it is typical to loose some weight. Even in Dr. Haas book (the guyst that started this SCDiet) he talks about this very thing in his book. It always happens in the first two months also. It is assumed to be mostly edema, water and fecal matter that was stored in the gut that the body is getting rid of, now that it is trying to get into balance. We also lost first....by the second month I starated to gain, so did my duaghter and son. We are recovering from damaged intestines too. Try not to stress over this...it is actualy a good sign...you are on track! We are still HUNGRY! Worth it though because we are finnaly healing. We still eat 8 times a day, foods that we are certain are eazy to digest. About every 2.5 hours we are eating. No joke...lol...healing takes energy! At least we are not sharing it all with the bad gut guys anymore! lol... Also, take note of stages...becareful not to jump into too advanced foods. This will help the gut heal faster and aids in absorption and less fermentation of foods that the gut is not ready to digest yet. We still cook and puree most of the fruit we eat. Always peeling thos peels off. SCD safe spoted Bananas and Avocados are a GOD send...so are eggs not cooked rubbery. Boiled meats are easier to digest than baked. We still make lots of stews and chicken soups. Hope this helps too! Antoinette (2.5 months SCd enitre family of 5 thanks to injured intestines that lead to ASD) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2006 Report Share Posted May 15, 2006 If you haven't read/printed out my weeks-old post " Kayla's menus and recipes " , search the archives. I think you'll find good stuff there. (Fluffy Soup is the answer to everything!) Also I recommend Dr. Natasha's GAPS book. Also, a good probiotic can make a huge difference. My child went from 25th %ile in weight to 70th %ile in her first 3 months on good probiotics. (Height went from 10th %il to 25th %ile.) This was pre-SCD, with soupy and squashy stools still the norm. Best wishes! Kayla > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2006 Report Share Posted May 15, 2006 If you haven't read/printed out my weeks-old post " Kayla's menus and recipes " , search the archives. I think you'll find good stuff there. (Fluffy Soup is the answer to everything!) Also I recommend Dr. Natasha's GAPS book. Also, a good probiotic can make a huge difference. My child went from 25th %ile in weight to 70th %ile in her first 3 months on good probiotics. (Height went from 10th %il to 25th %ile.) This was pre-SCD, with soupy and squashy stools still the norm. Best wishes! Kayla > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2006 Report Share Posted May 16, 2006 Not sure if anyone replied to you, but that happened to our daughter the first month. She lost weight, was very skinny already (had been progressively losing weight before SCD) and then after a few months on SCD with lots of die off she began to gain weight-8 pounds gained in the past two months! For her, in addition to this wonderfully torturous diet she really really needed those digestive enzymes before each main meal, probiotics and bedtime and rotating herbal antifungals (thank you thank you Summer!) raw garlic, ginger for the yeast so the yeast would not steal her food. She had another die off at three months and there has been more weight gain and a huge appetite since. The Igg food allergy panel is controversial here (can be unreliable) but it was right on with our daughter and keeping her away from those foods for now helped too, eliminated the cramping after meals which interfered with her appetite/absorption I'm sure. A few ideas for calories....we use dark meat when we can (chicken thighs, drumsticks etc) and she loves pot roast. I put a chuck roast in a crock pot on low the night before. Brown it first and then put in crock pot slightly covered with water. Add salt. Cook all night. The next morning I add about 20+ whole garlic cloves (yes 20)....as it cooks all day, the garlic turns golden and mild and really flavors the meat. The meat will fall apart, is easy to chew. If he can eat nuts, I make some of the breads on pecanbread (we are egg free so only have a few choices) I like the eggless almont bread, although I use half pecan flour (fine ground pecans) andhalf almond flour. I also drizzle oils on her veggies and offer her avocado as often as possible...if he's like my daughter the key is not neccesarily quantiy but giving him foods he can absorb.The more the bugs die off, the more the food will nourish your son. If he is eating plenty of calories and not gaining weight, my uneducated mothers guess is that some malabsorption continues and/or that the battle rages on. That's our experience anyway...there are many other food tips out there if you need them. Kerri All SCD 4 months for 7 year old with constipation (gone) and rages (better) Weight Loss? Help! > My 2 1/2 yo ASD son has been on SCD for about a month now. He is > doing GREAT in so many areas (eye contact, concentration, > socialization, etc.) that we know we are doing the right thing, > but ... he was thin to begin with and now he is just plain SKINNY! He > has grown almost an inch in the last month, but has lost 5 pounds! > Does anyone have any ideas for or recipes that can help him gain some > weight? He is a rather picky eater when it comes to fruit and > vegetables (getting better, though), but he LOVES meat! Any ideas > would be appreciated! > > In desperation, > (Mom to 4 yo Asperger's and 2 1/2 yo Jeff ASD) > > > > > > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book > _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following > websites: > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info > and > http://www.pecanbread.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2006 Report Share Posted May 17, 2006 We too had weight loss in the beginning. This is typical with those with injured intestines to loose weight in " water " /edema and in undigested and pooped out fecal matter that finnaly moves out of the body with the first die off. Thanks to injured intestines WE were told not to use the protease in the enzymes. Even Elaine was known to not like this enzyme use with some of us with advanced celiac, errosive colitis and or ulcerations. Some of us truly may not know the true condition of our guts...so be careful. Sadly we didn't know this when we first tried enzymes and it caused my duaghter a HUGE set back. So it truly matters on the condition of the intestines if you are going to use enzymes. Plus remember that this diet is starch free so the enzyme Amylase is truly not needed. Not even to kill the yeast...the diet alone (when one cuts back honey and sweet things..and even SCd legal cheese, will do this rather fast...starves the stuff out). Only takes about 5 to 10 days of this type of restriction. In essence it is truly the intro diet. Very bland easy to digest and there fore nothing to sit in the gut to ferment. We also learned that advanced foods have to be strictly avoided or else our daughter doesn't digest them well and they sit and ferment. Signs of yeast come back...when we screw up and jump ahead to fast. We still have a huge variety of foods though...but have to be careful that she is able to handle and digest everything she eats. The stages on the PEcan Bread Web site have been helpful. I also agree about the use of fresh garlic and all those wonderful natural rememidies for killing off yeast are wonderful. We eat fresh garlic and once tolerated onions and ginger in everything we can. We also do probiotics and accidolphilus....lots of safe bananans, avocados, benifitual fats, and eat EIGHT TIMES A DAY. We are having amazing success....we also use tons of the goat yogurt though. At first we arrived GFCFSF/pale....Our daughter was so sick, we chose not to wait to put this food in (learned that the casien could not hurt her due to being denatured in 24 hour ferment). She was IN a celiac crises when we arrived....truly " starving " in her own little body. Also, Loosing her to Autism. We had to move fast...no time to do it slow. We pretty much straight by the BTVC book. If it wasn't in the book, that was known to have worked for 60 years. WE questioned everything...and looked into things that felt wrong to us. With no other interventions but SCDiet...2.5 months, and she is trying to talk for the first time in her life, most stim behaviors have vanished, recieved FIRST HUGS, smiles, eating better, no more diarrhea, no more pain, food intolerances vanishing, no more signs of yeast, sleeping better, bloat is vanished, no more deleriums, night terrors....truly a GOD send. In the last month she has gained 2.5 pounds! We even had to buy new shoes and she is now in the next size for clothes...still thin but working on it. Hope this gives hope! Antoinette (mother to 2 year old atypical celiac/errosive colitis/autistic...and thank God we found SCD...tried everything last year...nothing worked before this...she is now healing) > > > Not sure if anyone replied to you, but that happened to our daughter the > first month. She lost weight, was very skinny already (had been > progressively losing weight before SCD) and then after a few months on SCD > with lots of die off she began to gain weight-8 pounds gained in the past > two months! For her, in addition to this wonderfully torturous diet she > really really needed those digestive enzymes before each main meal, > probiotics and bedtime and rotating herbal antifungals (thank you thank you > Summer!) raw garlic, ginger for the yeast so the yeast would not steal her > food. She had another die off at three months and there has been more weight > gain and a huge appetite since. The Igg food allergy panel is controversial > here (can be unreliable) but it was right on with our daughter and keeping > her away from those foods for now helped too, eliminated the cramping after > meals which interfered with her appetite/absorption I'm sure. > A few ideas for calories....we use dark meat when we can (chicken thighs, > drumsticks etc) and she loves pot roast. I put a chuck roast in a crock pot > on low the night before. Brown it first and then put in crock pot slightly > covered with water. Add salt. Cook all night. The next morning I add about > 20+ whole garlic cloves (yes 20)....as it cooks all day, the garlic turns > golden and mild and really flavors the meat. The meat will fall apart, is > easy to chew. > If he can eat nuts, I make some of the breads on pecanbread (we are egg free > so only have a few choices) I like the eggless almont bread, although I use > half pecan flour (fine ground pecans) andhalf almond flour. I also drizzle > oils on her veggies and offer her avocado as often as possible...if he's > like my daughter the key is not neccesarily quantiy but giving him foods he > can absorb.The more the bugs die off, the more the food will nourish your > son. If he is eating plenty of calories and not gaining weight, my > uneducated mothers guess is that some malabsorption continues and/or that > the battle rages on. That's our experience anyway...there are many other > food tips out there if you need them. > Kerri > All SCD 4 months for 7 year old with constipation (gone) and rages (better) > Weight Loss? Help! > > > > My 2 1/2 yo ASD son has been on SCD for about a month now. He is > > doing GREAT in so many areas (eye contact, concentration, > > socialization, etc.) that we know we are doing the right thing, > > but ... he was thin to begin with and now he is just plain SKINNY! He > > has grown almost an inch in the last month, but has lost 5 pounds! > > Does anyone have any ideas for or recipes that can help him gain some > > weight? He is a rather picky eater when it comes to fruit and > > vegetables (getting better, though), but he LOVES meat! Any ideas > > would be appreciated! > > > > In desperation, > > (Mom to 4 yo Asperger's and 2 1/2 yo Jeff ASD) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book > > _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following > > websites: > > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info > > and > > http://www.pecanbread.com > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 We have had trouble also with weight gain just throughout 's life. What I learned with food allergy restrictions was that you can add some oils to foods without the child noticing and make it more calorie dense. Since the foods you mention don't have lots of calories for their ability to fill up the tummy I would encourage that. Pick a healthy oil that doesn't have much taste. I prefer rice oil--have to order it over the internet. I put it on his food after cooking but it has a high smoke point so can be cooked with safely. So my son had chicken today and I put oil on it. It is basically tasteless. You could drizzle it on veggies and meats. Just make sure it is one with healthy oils in good balance--you don't want to upset the ratios. Rice is great. Olive is good but you don't want to cook with it. Coconut oil is actually being shown to be good for us but it has a stronger taste. All oils are SCD safe.... I also offer avocado every day--plain (only one of my boys will eat it that way and it isn't my skinny guy), as guacomole, and mixed with coconut and pears and pureed like a pudding. I hope that helps! le Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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