Couple of beginner questions

[Guest guest]

Hi I have a few questions regarding the SCD diet.

1) I've read on many sites that white rice is the only complex carb

that does not cause gas, and in fact it seems to be true from my own

experience too. If this is the case, doesn't it mean that it is

being absorbed properly and if so, why is it excluded from the SCD

diet?

2) What about making homemade yogurt with 2% lactose free milk? The

lactose has already been removed and the yogurt making process will

only improve that. So would the full 24 hours recommended by the

SCD diet be necessary in this case.

3) Isn't diet all about tolerance. For example, a lactose

intolerant person can tolerate say once glass of milk fine, but 2 or

more causes problems. So my question here is, is it ok to follow

the SCD diet say 90% of the time, but eat the occasional cake or

bread, etc.

Thanks for any responses.

p.s. I haven't started the SCD diet but am seriously thinking about

it and just doing some research.

[Guest guest]

>I answer your questions inbetween them.

> >

> 1) I've read on many sites that white rice is the only complex

carb

> that does not cause gas, and in fact it seems to be true from my

own

> experience too. If this is the case, doesn't it mean that it is

> being absorbed properly and if so, why is it excluded from the SCD

> diet?

The reason it is excluded is because it is a complex starch that has

proven to keep the vicious cycle going because it is not digested

well and in ferments and feeds that bad gut flora. Keeping the

intestines sick and not functioning correct. It is not a legal food

for any one trying to have success with this solution. Even if it

doesn't give symptoms of distress it has to be avoided.

>

> 2) What about making homemade yogurt with 2% lactose free milk?

The

> lactose has already been removed and the yogurt making process

will

> only improve that. So would the full 24 hours recommended by the

> SCD diet be necessary in this case.

The stuff they put in lactose free milk is HARD on the liver of

those already compromised with intestinal trouble. Our livers are

already working over time. Elaine didn't trust the possible side

affects. Plus when you make yogurt...the good gut guys (the yogurt

starter) has to have something to " eat " inorder to survive and thus

turn the diary into yougrt by the 24 hour fermenting process. This

is why that in 24 hours most if not all yogurt is lactose free (it

is eaten by the cultures). Lactose free milk will not

ferment...nothing to feed the cultures...that need lactose to

survive.

>

> 3) Isn't diet all about tolerance. For example, a lactose

> intolerant person can tolerate say once glass of milk fine, but 2

or

> more causes problems. So my question here is, is it ok to follow

> the SCD diet say 90% of the time, but eat the occasional cake or

> bread, etc.

It isn't in this case. They discovered that any infraction of

eating disacharides or polysachrides (starch and suagers) keeps the

vicious cycle going, because it continues to feed the bad gut

flora. Thus the intestines NEVER get into BALANCE. Elaine

suggests " fanatical adherance " for those who truly want the best

success and who want to be healed and possiby even " cured " . One

year after last symptoms leave, she says that we can slowly

introduce forbidden foods. That occasional cake or bread....even

one bite...will keep you sick.

Please read the BTVC book....again. I can say this, because, I

myself had to read it four times before it all made since to me. My

book is looking rather well loved, highlighted and getting

tattered. SCDiet may have it's sacrafice but it is worth it

though. We tried the gfcfsf even paleo...DID NOT WORK like this is

because all the starch and complex sugars kept US SICK. We are so

grateful we found this solution...I wish now that I had been ready

sooner. WE ARE FINNALY HEALING FROM INJURED INTESTINES AND THE

BONUS OF GETTING OUR AUTISTIC DAUGHTER BACK, my son back from ADHD

and rage attacks.... and I and my ADD husband have truly never felt

better! No meds needed anymore. A GOD SEND>

> Hope this helps, Antoinette

(ENTIRE FAMILY OF 5 scd AND HEALING THANKS TO CELIAC Disease and

injured intestines...that led to ADHD, ADD, autism, mental illness,

chronic fatigue. chronic pain, gas diarrhea...and so much fun!...no

a thing of the past. Just 2.5 months...and going strong...they say

it can take 1 year to heal completely...some longer.)

[Guest guest]

Bruce,

I'd suggest re-reading Breaking the Vicious Cycle, to make sure you understand

the science behind it. Eating " the occasional cake or bread, etc. " ...really

does defeat the purpose of starving out bad pathogens in order to heal the

damaged gut, and will make the entire process take longer... or frustrate you so

much that you'll give up and say SCD " didn't work " .

Luckily, there are MANY delicious cakes and other baked goods that resemble

breads that we can eat on SCD. I always suggest the Peanut Butter Brownies from

the www.pecanbread.com website, for newbies. They are so easy... and SO good. If

I bake these for my daughter, I have to hide them from my teenaged son and my

husband... or they'll eat them all in one evening! It's exciting to learn that

your child really will still get to eat yummy goodies while they are healing on

this marvelous diet.

Patti, mom to Katera

Couple of beginner questions

Hi I have a few questions regarding the SCD diet.

1) I've read on many sites that white rice is the only complex carb

that does not cause gas, and in fact it seems to be true from my own

experience too. If this is the case, doesn't it mean that it is

being absorbed properly and if so, why is it excluded from the SCD

diet?

2) What about making homemade yogurt with 2% lactose free milk? The

lactose has already been removed and the yogurt making process will

only improve that. So would the full 24 hours recommended by the

SCD diet be necessary in this case.

3) Isn't diet all about tolerance. For example, a lactose

intolerant person can tolerate say once glass of milk fine, but 2 or

more causes problems. So my question here is, is it ok to follow

the SCD diet say 90% of the time, but eat

Thanks for any responses.

p.s. I haven't started the SCD diet but am seriously thinking about

it and just doing some research.

[Guest guest]

" 2) What about making homemade yogurt with 2% lactose free milk? The

lactose has already been removed and the yogurt making process will

only improve that. So would the full 24 hours recommended by the

SCD diet be necessary in this case. "

Since no one addressed this, I will.

I do not think it is possible to make yogurt from lactose-free milk.

It is the lactose that the beneficial bacteria consume as the milk is

cultured.

So, yogurt should be made from regular milk for the 24 hour incubation

period.

Jody

mom to -7 and -9

SCD 1/03

[Guest guest]

Hey thanks for the responses. Unfortunately it has spawned a couple

more questions. I have read the book and a few things don't seem to

make sense and I find the book, which is overall good, but lacking

in a lot of 'why's' about certain foods being not included. For

example, page 28, in the explanation on carbohydrate digestion, it

states that both amylose and amylopectin make up starches (eg.

potatoes, rice, etc) and VEGETABLES. And on page 29, that as amylose

is broken down it will ultimately lead to the disaccharide maltose.

But this must be true for both starches and vegetables. Thus why

are vegetables in general allowed on the diet and starches not?

(biochemically speaking). Morever, many vegatables like broccoli

are loaded with fibre and it is said throughout the book that fibre

is not good since it it undigested and available as food for the bad

microflora. So why are most high fibre vegetables allowed?

Finally, you state below that rice is not digested well, what is the

evidence for this? One of the byproducts of bacteria feeding on

undigested carbs is indeed gas as stated in the book, and so I think

the gas theory is good, i.e. if it doesn't produce it would seem to

be good and digested as would be the case for rice. If rice does

indeed ferment, then it should produce gas, no? Sorry I don't mean

to be argumentative here, I just want explanations.

Thanks.

> >I answer your questions inbetween them.

> > >

> > 1) I've read on many sites that white rice is the only complex

> carb

> > that does not cause gas, and in fact it seems to be true from my

> own

> > experience too. If this is the case, doesn't it mean that it is

> > being absorbed properly and if so, why is it excluded from the

SCD

> > diet?

>

> The reason it is excluded is because it is a complex starch that

has

> proven to keep the vicious cycle going because it is not digested

> well and in ferments and feeds that bad gut flora. Keeping the

> intestines sick and not functioning correct. It is not a legal

food

> for any one trying to have success with this solution. Even if it

> doesn't give symptoms of distress it has to be avoided.

> >

> > 2) What about making homemade yogurt with 2% lactose free milk?

> The

> > lactose has already been removed and the yogurt making process

> will

> > only improve that. So would the full 24 hours recommended by

the

> > SCD diet be necessary in this case.

>

> The stuff they put in lactose free milk is HARD on the liver of

> those already compromised with intestinal trouble. Our livers are

> already working over time. Elaine didn't trust the possible side

> affects. Plus when you make yogurt...the good gut guys (the

yogurt

> starter) has to have something to " eat " inorder to survive and

thus

> turn the diary into yougrt by the 24 hour fermenting process.

This

> is why that in 24 hours most if not all yogurt is lactose free (it

> is eaten by the cultures). Lactose free milk will not

> ferment...nothing to feed the cultures...that need lactose to

> survive.

> >

> > 3) Isn't diet all about tolerance. For example, a lactose

> > intolerant person can tolerate say once glass of milk fine, but

2

> or

> > more causes problems. So my question here is, is it ok to

follow

> > the SCD diet say 90% of the time, but eat the occasional cake or

> > bread, etc.

>

> It isn't in this case. They discovered that any infraction of

> eating disacharides or polysachrides (starch and suagers) keeps

the

> vicious cycle going, because it continues to feed the bad gut

> flora. Thus the intestines NEVER get into BALANCE. Elaine

> suggests " fanatical adherance " for those who truly want the best

> success and who want to be healed and possiby even " cured " . One

> year after last symptoms leave, she says that we can slowly

> introduce forbidden foods. That occasional cake or bread....even

> one bite...will keep you sick.

>

> Please read the BTVC book....again. I can say this, because, I

> myself had to read it four times before it all made since to me.

My

> book is looking rather well loved, highlighted and getting

> tattered. SCDiet may have it's sacrafice but it is worth it

> though. We tried the gfcfsf even paleo...DID NOT WORK like this

is

> because all the starch and complex sugars kept US SICK. We are so

> grateful we found this solution...I wish now that I had been ready

> sooner. WE ARE FINNALY HEALING FROM INJURED INTESTINES AND THE

> BONUS OF GETTING OUR AUTISTIC DAUGHTER BACK, my son back from ADHD

> and rage attacks.... and I and my ADD husband have truly never

felt

> better! No meds needed anymore. A GOD SEND>

>

>

> > Hope this helps, Antoinette

>

> (ENTIRE FAMILY OF 5 scd AND HEALING THANKS TO CELIAC Disease and

> injured intestines...that led to ADHD, ADD, autism, mental

illness,

> chronic fatigue. chronic pain, gas diarrhea...and so much

fun!...no

> a thing of the past. Just 2.5 months...and going strong...they

say

> it can take 1 year to heal completely...some longer.)

>

[Guest guest]

And also read another SCD book 'Gut and Psychology Syndrome' by Dr Natasha

-McBride...You can get it at the Body Ecology Website.

Agape,

Patti wrote:

Bruce,

I'd suggest re-reading Breaking the Vicious Cycle, to make sure you understand

the science behind it. Eating " the occasional cake or bread, etc. " ...really

does defeat the purpose of starving out bad pathogens in order to heal the

damaged gut, and will make the entire process take longer... or frustrate you so

much that you'll give up and say SCD " didn't work " .

Luckily, there are MANY delicious cakes and other baked goods that resemble

breads that we can eat on SCD. I always suggest the Peanut Butter Brownies from

the www.pecanbread.com website, for newbies. They are so easy... and SO good. If

I bake these for my daughter, I have to hide them from my teenaged son and my

husband... or they'll eat them all in one evening! It's exciting to learn that

your child really will still get to eat yummy goodies while they are healing on

this marvelous diet.

Patti, mom to Katera

Couple of beginner questions

Hi I have a few questions regarding the SCD diet.

1) I've read on many sites that white rice is the only complex carb

that does not cause gas, and in fact it seems to be true from my own

experience too. If this is the case, doesn't it mean that it is

being absorbed properly and if so, why is it excluded from the SCD

diet?

2) What about making homemade yogurt with 2% lactose free milk? The

lactose has already been removed and the yogurt making process will

only improve that. So would the full 24 hours recommended by the

SCD diet be necessary in this case.

3) Isn't diet all about tolerance. For example, a lactose

intolerant person can tolerate say once glass of milk fine, but 2 or

more causes problems. So my question here is, is it ok to follow

the SCD diet say 90% of the time, but eat

Thanks for any responses.

p.s. I haven't started the SCD diet but am seriously thinking about

it and just doing some research.

[Guest guest]

Bruce,

There are an infinite number of questions that can be asked about

every topic in the world. Unfortunately, all of those questions do

not have answers.

Elaine's website is pretty extensive and has information that isn't in

the book. That might be a good place for you to start.

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

While this group exists to help people understand how to follow SCD, I

really cannot answer all of the questions you just posed. I'm sorry

about that.

Sometimes people just have to take a leap of faith and try something

100% to see if it benefits them. If you start the diet with the

intro, add foods slowly and keep a food log, you will be able to tell

which foods sit well with you and which ones do not.

Follow the diet 100% faithfully (no cheating) for 2-3 months. See if

you feel better. If you don't, then perhaps the diet is not for you.

But you'll never know unless you do it by the rules.

Jody

mom to -7 and -9

SCD 1/03

[Guest guest]

Dearest Bruce, when we arrived we where truly beaten by this diet

thing. We had eaten in many different ways to try to heal for close

to 15 months, from a severly damaged gut and our daughter had

slipped into out right AUTISM as a result to her " starving brain "

and intestinal damage. I wish we had tried this sooner. But we had

not " hit bottom yet " . SCD is full of sacrafice....and then one

reaps the benifits!

I guess you would say we where " sick of being sick " ...and very

desperate. We tried this thing " keeping it simple " and following it

by the book. We tried some suggestions with enzymes and it blew up

in our face. I learned that if it wasn't in the book that it may

not work so we choose to stick with the solution in the BTVC book

that has proven to work for 60 years and to try not to be strayed by

others good intentions and advice. Everytime we strayed...we paid.

We now heal....I am so happy that we took the chance and had faith

and jumped in. We would have never known. The May 21 will be three

months. They say that it take one year for those with celiac to

heal...sometimes longer. But if this is any indication that we are

on the right road....I am truly happy and releived to have found

this SCD solution. Today my daughters AUTISM is vanishing. We are

lucky that this worked for all of us.

Sincerely, and best of luck! Antoinette

(family of five SCD because of damaged gut and ASD problems that

resulted...today we heal)

>

> Bruce,

>

> There are an infinite number of questions that can be asked about

> every topic in the world. Unfortunately, all of those questions do

> not have answers.

>

> Elaine's website is pretty extensive and has information that

isn't in

> the book. That might be a good place for you to start.

>

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

>

>

> While this group exists to help people understand how to follow

SCD, I

> really cannot answer all of the questions you just posed. I'm

sorry

> about that.

>

> Sometimes people just have to take a leap of faith and try

something

> 100% to see if it benefits them. If you start the diet with the

> intro, add foods slowly and keep a food log, you will be able to

tell

> which foods sit well with you and which ones do not.

>

> Follow the diet 100% faithfully (no cheating) for 2-3 months. See

if

> you feel better. If you don't, then perhaps the diet is not for

you.

> But you'll never know unless you do it by the rules.

>

>

> Jody

> mom to -7 and -9

> SCD 1/03

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, I hope this isn't a stupid question, but is it ok to use the

crunchy all-natural peanut butter (with little pieces of peanuts in

it) for the peanut butter brownie recipe?

>

> Bruce,

>

> I'd suggest re-reading Breaking the Vicious Cycle, to make sure

you understand the science behind it. Eating " the occasional cake or

bread, etc. " ...really does defeat the purpose of starving out bad

pathogens in order to heal the damaged gut, and will make the entire

process take longer... or frustrate you so much that you'll give up

and say SCD " didn't work " .

>

> Luckily, there are MANY delicious cakes and other baked goods that

resemble breads that we can eat on SCD. I always suggest the Peanut

Butter Brownies from the www.pecanbread.com website, for newbies.

They are so easy... and SO good. If I bake these for my daughter, I

have to hide them from my teenaged son and my husband... or they'll

eat them all in one evening! It's exciting to learn that your child

really will still get to eat yummy goodies while they are healing on

this marvelous diet.

>

> Patti, mom to Katera

> Couple of beginner questions

>

>

> Hi I have a few questions regarding the SCD diet.

>

> 1) I've read on many sites that white rice is the only complex

carb

> that does not cause gas, and in fact it seems to be true from my

own

> experience too. If this is the case, doesn't it mean that it is

> being absorbed properly and if so, why is it excluded from the

SCD

> diet?

>

> 2) What about making homemade yogurt with 2% lactose free milk?

The

> lactose has already been removed and the yogurt making process

will

> only improve that. So would the full 24 hours recommended by

the

> SCD diet be necessary in this case.

>

> 3) Isn't diet all about tolerance. For example, a lactose

> intolerant person can tolerate say once glass of milk fine, but

2 or

> more causes problems. So my question here is, is it ok to

follow

> the SCD diet say 90% of the time, but eat

> Thanks for any responses.

>

> p.s. I haven't started the SCD diet but am seriously thinking

about

> it and just doing some research.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

" Hi, I hope this isn't a stupid question, but is it ok to use the

crunchy all-natural peanut butter (with little pieces of peanuts in

it) for the peanut butter brownie recipe? "

It's not a stupid qusetion.

It is okay to use crunchy peanut butter for the recipe, BUT peanut

butter is not a beginner food. So, if you are just starting the diet,

peanut butter isn't usually a good choice. It's pretty hard to

digest. It would be better to start with foods that are easier to digest.

Jody

mom to -7 and -9

SCD 1/03