Re:soil bacteria/ gut and psychology syndrome/ WARNING

[Guest guest]

Elaine Gottschall was very much against the use of soil based

organisms!

Please read the website below to understand why. I copied part of it

in my post.

Mimi

http://forum.lowcarber.org/showthread.php?t=186020

Many people who are taking probiotics for intestinal flora problems

(that include Candida!) are considering whether or not to take

Primal Defense for this purpose. I'm writing because I bought a

book, The IBD Remission Diet by Jini Patel , and tucked

inside it was a page that had been later inserted by the author. It

was a warning about Primal Defense and Homeostatic Soil Organisms in

general.

Here is the warning I received, and I quote: " On Page 108 of the IBD

remission diet, I suggest that readers may want to try a product

called Primal Defense after they've been completely healed for 3-5

months. I learned of this product from numerous readers who wrote in

to let me know how well it's worked for them. Since I couldn't try

the product myself (I've been pregnant or breastfeeding for four

years and counting,) I questioned numerous respected naturopaths,

microbiology professors and gastroenterologists for their opinion on

the product and all said it looked fine.

However, since meeting the founder and president of Natren Inc. (top

quality pro-biotic manufacturer,) Natasha Trenev, I must change my

opinion of bacterial soil organisms. Natasha is a world renowned

expert on microorganisms and maintains one of the largest research

libraries on that topic in the world. She has sent me an entire CD

ROM of articles, research and clinical data and other scientific

studies, (most done outside of North America,) outlining why it is

not safe to consume bacterial soil organisms (like those contained

in Primal Defense and numerous other products.)

To summarize the research briefly, soil organisms (SO) are spore

formers, so they make good competitors for yeast, fungus and other

pathogens. This is why so many people taking soil organisms will

initially experience very favorable results. However these spores

are extremely difficult to kill, surviving sterilants,

disinfectants, acceleration forces, heat, pressure, radiation and

many antibiotics. Strong antibiotics -- like Vancomycin -- can

suppress certain spores. Spores are so persistent in the intestines

that another round of germination may occur after the the drug is

stopped. Soil organisms can also adapt loose genetic material and

incorporate it into their cellular structure - the ramifications of

which are yet unknown. Various soil organisms can also produce

harmful peptides, affecting hemoglobin in the blood. It's important

to keep in mind that virtually all antibiotic drugs were were

initially developed from soil organisms and as antibiotics become

more potent, they cause more damage to the host, not just in the

immediate gut environment, but systematically as well.

In the EU (European Union) the use of soil organisms in animal feed

is being stringently controlled and questioned at this time. There

are simply too many questions and unknowns to sanction the use of

soil organisms for human consumption and one can certainly cannot

qualify them as safe at this time.

I'm very sorry for any confusion this may have caused you. To be

honest, this is the very first time I've recommended a product that

I've not tried and tested exclusively myself -- I admit I was swayed

by so many good recommendations from readers. Rest assured that I

will not do so again!

My sincerest apologies,

Jini Patel

July 2003 "

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> > A CDSA from Doctor's Data will tell you Toren's level of bifidus

> > bacteria. I am completely into this thread because 's

CDSA

> > showed that he had no bifidus at all, and I have never known

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> > do about it because of Elaine's position on this.

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> > Jeni Lynn (gastrointestinal problems)

> > mom to , 4 yr. old today (risk for ADD, gastrointestinal

> > problems, heavy metal toxicity)

> > SCD 5 months

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> > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read

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> book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read

the

> following websites:

> > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

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> > http://www.pecanbread.com

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