Re: Helen, starting diet

[Guest guest]

Hi Tessa:

Thanks for writing. No, I haven't started the diet yet, because I've

been knocked down badly by a CFIDS experimental treatment, porcine

heart cell signaling factors, and need to wait for that reaction to

abate before I do something else that will make me feel bad.

I have been working to slowly reduce grains from my diet, however,

and getting equipment and practicing making things. Even though I

can't do the diet 100% due to the protocol I am on having some

supplements with starch and ImmunePro with a tad of lactose, I am

still thinking the diet may help me.

The Gut and Psychology Syndrome book is excellent and even mentions

CFIDS/ME.

Today I am hoping to make my first bone broth, bought some lamb at

the farmer's market, neck bones. As a former vegetarian I just have

to laugh.

When I go on the diet I'm going to do two weeks like another poster

here suggested, bone broth, vegetable soups made from it, meats

cooked slowly in water, and hold off on the fruits, nuts, etc,

introduce them gradually one at a time.

Also the GAPS book says not to eat the yogurt for a whole year if you

have dairy allergy problems which I do, so I've put the yogurt maker

away for later. Unable to obtain raw goat's milk at present here, a

bit afraid of it anyway, did you ever read Osler's Web? Some children

got ill after having cocoa made from raw goat milk, in Bell's

practice.

thanks for checking in, and I hope you improve,

Helen

>

> Hello Helen,

>

> Are you starting the diet about now? I,ve been on it for 3 weeks

and can

> report changes but not improvements. The first week I felt nauseous

and

> could eat very little with C followed by D followed by removing the

> banana and cooked apple that I had introduced. then more C and D

and C

> again...what next? The nausea has practically gone now and I am

hoping

> that it was a good sign (die off?) and that in a week or two I'll

start

> to feel better. I must say the fatigue, my worst symptom, has been

even

> worse during this period, exacerbated perhaps by all the cooking,

> yoghurt making and washing up involved. I plan to stick it out for

3

> months; long enough, I would have thought, to see an improvement if

> there is going to be one.

>

> What do you think of the Gut and Psychology book - does it seem

relevant

> to ME/CFS/CFIDS? I was wondering whether to get it; as I am

considering

> contacting Dr N C-McB I suppose I should (but just had to buy a

blender

> and yoghurt maker to start this diet).

>

> Good luck with the diet; I hope you don't get a bad reaction, mine,

the

> nausea, was quite bearable and didn't go on all that long.

>

> Best wishes

>

>

[Guest guest]

Helen,

>>>Some children

got ill after having cocoa made from raw goat milk, in Bell's

practice. <<<

It is not recommended to drink raw milk on SCD. Especially with digestive

disturbance, which means immune disturbance, milk products should always be

pasturized before making the yogurt and/or yogurt cheese and butters.

Also, goat milk goes rancid super quickly, the quality of it at milking slides

quickly away. I buy fresh raw goat milk from a pastured farm near me, for

cheaper than stores like Trader Joe's, but I am finding it the exception to find

fresh raw milk from healthy pastured goats. Goats milk can be bought, for SCD at

Trader Joe's, Wild Oats and Whole Foods.

My doctor always says with dairy problems, to take them out of the diet for

about 6 months, than introduce gradually and slowly. Basically, you're giving

the immune system a chance to " forget " its reaction to dairy.

Good luck with beginning the diet!!!

Summer

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[Guest guest]

Thanks, Summer. I cannot buy raw goat's milk in this state, illegal,

and live in a small town, so only one type of pasteurized goat milk

is available in Krogers. After reading the -McBride book, I

realized that I would be going no dairy except for ghee for some

time, so the yogurt question becomes moot.

Is your new group about how to make bone broth in part? Because that

is my next goal. Will check it out via the link up the list. I have

been reading Nourishing Traditions and realizing I've never had a

decent meal in 50 years. Oh well, having read all of these good

books, I now know better, and better late than never.

I am wondering should I roast the lamb neck bones I bought or just

put them in a pot in water, have read conflicting instructions.

Helen

>

> Helen,

>

> >>>Some children

> got ill after having cocoa made from raw goat milk, in Bell's

> practice. <<<

>

> It is not recommended to drink raw milk on SCD. Especially with

digestive disturbance, which means immune disturbance, milk products

should always be pasturized before making the yogurt and/or yogurt

cheese and butters.

>

> Also, goat milk goes rancid super quickly, the quality of it at

milking slides quickly away. I buy fresh raw goat milk from a

pastured farm near me, for cheaper than stores like Trader Joe's, but

I am finding it the exception to find fresh raw milk from healthy

pastured goats. Goats milk can be bought, for SCD at Trader Joe's,

Wild Oats and Whole Foods.

>

> My doctor always says with dairy problems, to take them out of

the diet for about 6 months, than introduce gradually and slowly.

Basically, you're giving the immune system a chance to " forget " its

reaction to dairy.

>

> Good luck with beginning the diet!!!

> Summer

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Helen,

I have posted instructions on making bone broth somewhere here on pecanbread,

but I plan to do a write up on open blooms. The new group is just going to be

mixture of information, recipes, poetry, research and such, and I hope all

members will contribute what they know to it. So, yes, things like bone

broth, the properties of food, related information. For us, fresh food has been

part of our healing and recovery, so it will be something I post often about. I

live in Vancouver Washington area, if you live close to me, I can put you in

touch with local resources.

About the lamb neck bones, there are different ways to prepare them, not one

way is better perse, just different. Don't be afraid to experiement! And you are

right, better late than never, the important thing is to become as well as

possible!

Summer

helen9jora wrote:

Thanks, Summer. I cannot buy raw goat's milk in this state, illegal,

and live in a small town, so only one type of pasteurized goat milk

is available in Krogers. After reading the -McBride book, I

realized that I would be going no dairy except for ghee for some

time, so the yogurt question becomes moot.

Is your new group about how to make bone broth in part? Because that

is my next goal. Will check it out via the link up the list. I have

been reading Nourishing Traditions and realizing I've never had a

decent meal in 50 years. Oh well, having read all of these good

books, I now know better, and better late than never.

I am wondering should I roast the lamb neck bones I bought or just

put them in a pot in water, have read conflicting instructions.

Helen

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[Guest guest]

Thanks, I just joined that group, and will look around here. Am in

southeastern Ohio, a long way from you.

Will be tackling the lamb bones tomorrow, got em defrosting right

now.

I didn't eat red meat for over twenty years so this is quite the

experience. LOL! The vegetarian diet all wrong for me, by any system

you go by, but I didn't know any better.

thanks,

Helen

> Thanks, Summer. I cannot buy raw goat's milk in this state,

illegal,

> and live in a small town, so only one type of pasteurized goat milk

> is available in Krogers. After reading the -McBride book, I

> realized that I would be going no dairy except for ghee for some

> time, so the yogurt question becomes moot.

>

> Is your new group about how to make bone broth in part? Because

that

> is my next goal. Will check it out via the link up the list. I have

> been reading Nourishing Traditions and realizing I've never had a

> decent meal in 50 years. Oh well, having read all of these good

> books, I now know better, and better late than never.

>

> I am wondering should I roast the lamb neck bones I bought or just

> put them in a pot in water, have read conflicting instructions.

>

> Helen

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

It took about 3 wks before I saw significant improvement in my UC son. He

went through the nausea and fatigue in the beginning as well, though not for

as long. I saw his frequency diminish in the 1st three weeks but he still

had significant blood until he went two days without a BM at all and then

bam - perfectly normal. It was a very happy day here as we hadn't seen

anything remotely normaly in over a year!

Just wanted to encourage you...

Robbie

Helen, starting diet

> Hello Helen,

>

> Are you starting the diet about now? I,ve been on it for 3 weeks and can

> report changes but not improvements. The first week I felt nauseous and

> could eat very little with C followed by D followed by removing the

> banana and cooked apple that I had introduced. then more C and D and C

> again...what next? The nausea has practically gone now and I am hoping

> that it was a good sign (die off?) and that in a week or two I'll start

> to feel better. I must say the fatigue, my worst symptom, has been even

> worse during this period, exacerbated perhaps by all the cooking,

> yoghurt making and washing up involved. I plan to stick it out for 3

> months; long enough, I would have thought, to see an improvement if

> there is going to be one.

>

> What do you think of the Gut and Psychology book - does it seem relevant

> to ME/CFS/CFIDS? I was wondering whether to get it; as I am considering

> contacting Dr N C-McB I suppose I should (but just had to buy a blender

> and yoghurt maker to start this diet).

>

> Good luck with the diet; I hope you don't get a bad reaction, mine, the

> nausea, was quite bearable and didn't go on all that long.

>

> Best wishes

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

> _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

> websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

[Guest guest]

-Hello Robbie and thanks, encouragement is just what I need. I am sure

the changes so far are a good sign (or so I tell myself)and am hoping

that they are a REALLY good sign - not expecting miracles but one would

be nice.

Thanks

-- In pecanbread , " Little Britches Boutique "

wrote:

anything remotely normaly in over a year!

>

> Just wanted to encourage you...

>

> Robbie

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[Guest guest]

Hello Helen

I am sorry you are feeling poorly. I am sure that it is wise to be

feeling as robust as possible before starting the diet and by the

time you get there you will at least have adjusted to the reduction

of grains and won't be doing it Cold Turkey. And the re-introduction

of meat. I too didn't eat it for about 15 yrs, although I did eat

fish. When I started it again the difficulty was in handling and

preparing it - seemed so yukky - rather than eating it and I now

enjoy it and I am sure that it is what some of us need; we primitive

Stone Agers, that is.

Thanks for what you said about the Gut and Psych book; I think I'll

get it. Hope the porcine heart stuff helps you - I've no idea what

it is but will Google it now.

Good luck

>

> Hi Tessa:

>

> Thanks for writing. No, I haven't started the diet yet, because

I've

> been knocked down badly by a CFIDS experimental treatment, porcine

> heart cell signaling factors, and need to wait for that reaction

to

> abate before I do something else that will make me feel bad.

>

> I have been working to slowly reduce grains from my diet, however,

> and getting equipment and practicing making things. Even though I

> can't do the diet 100% due to the protocol I am on having some

> supplements with starch and ImmunePro with a tad of lactose, I am

> still thinking the diet may help me.

>

> The Gut and Psychology Syndrome book is excellent and even

mentions

> CFIDS/ME.

>

> Today I am hoping to make my first bone broth, bought some lamb at

> the farmer's market, neck bones. As a former vegetarian I just

have

> to laugh.

>

> When I go on the diet I'm going to do two weeks like another

poster

> here suggested, bone broth, vegetable soups made from it, meats

> cooked slowly in water, and hold off on the fruits, nuts, etc,

> introduce them gradually one at a time.

>

> Also the GAPS book says not to eat the yogurt for a whole year if

you

> have dairy allergy problems which I do, so I've put the yogurt

maker

> away for later. Unable to obtain raw goat's milk at present here,

a

> bit afraid of it anyway, did you ever read Osler's Web? Some

children

> got ill after having cocoa made from raw goat milk, in

Bell's

> practice.

>

> thanks for checking in, and I hope you improve,

> Helen

>

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