Need tips on fermented foods

[Guest guest]

Molly,

I don't believe the coconut kefir is SCD legal. The fermented veggies (homemade)

could be okay, but would not be for beginners. You didn't say how long you've

been on SCD.

Patti

Need tips on fermented foods

We are doing dairy-free SCD now, so we are not doing the goat yogurt.

I am looking for ways to get some good bacteria into our systems. We

do take probiotics but I am thinking of fermenting veggies which I

read about on the Body Ecology Website and am considering making the

coconut kefir suggested on there as well to give us an extra kick.

Any suggestions/thoughts in this area?

Thanks

molly

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your reply, Patti. We have been doing SCD for 9 months.

But, we recently went back to the intro for one of my kids (the one

who brought us to SCD) because he was still having lots of issues. He

is doing wonderfullly now and we are going VERY slowly in adding new

foods. My other two and I would be the ones having the fermented

foods, though. None of us have ever had any obvious digestive

troubles but we are doing the diet partly to support my son and partly

because it just makes sense. Do you have any suggestions for how to

get good bacteria into my middle guy since he is not ready for the

fermented veggies? Also, I thought the Kefir might not be legal, but

wasn't sure.

Thanks

>

> Molly,

> I don't believe the coconut kefir is SCD legal. The fermented

veggies (homemade) could be okay, but would not be for beginners. You

didn't say how long you've been on SCD.

>

> Patti

> Need tips on fermented foods

>

>

> We are doing dairy-free SCD now, so we are not doing the goat yogurt.

> I am looking for ways to get some good bacteria into our systems. We

> do take probiotics but I am thinking of fermenting veggies which I

> read about on the Body Ecology Website and am considering making the

> coconut kefir suggested on there as well to give us an extra kick.

> Any suggestions/thoughts in this area?

>

> Thanks

> molly

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the

book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the

following websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Patty, Are you the one moderating for Jody while she's gone? If so,

something must have happened to your website. I indicated I would read all

messages on list but all of a sudden yesterday I started getting all the

messages. If you could correct the problem it would be greatly appreciated!

>

>Reply-To: pecanbread

>To: <pecanbread >

>Subject: Re: Need tips on fermented foods

>Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 21:41:07 -0700

>

>Molly,

>I don't believe the coconut kefir is SCD legal. The fermented veggies

>(homemade) could be okay, but would not be for beginners. You didn't say

>how long you've been on SCD.

>

>Patti

> Need tips on fermented foods

>

>

> We are doing dairy-free SCD now, so we are not doing the goat yogurt.

> I am looking for ways to get some good bacteria into our systems. We

> do take probiotics but I am thinking of fermenting veggies which I

> read about on the Body Ecology Website and am considering making the

> coconut kefir suggested on there as well to give us an extra kick.

> Any suggestions/thoughts in this area?

>

> Thanks

> molly

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

>_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

>websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Molly:

Would whey from a dairy yogurt be good for you? Whey has all the good bacteria

and maybe just a tad of casein. I've been doing this with no symptoms from

dairy. I have hayfever. Someone else in the house could eat the yummy dripped

yogurt or (it freezes well) freeze the dripped yogurt until to you want to dry

it. 2 quarts of Whole milk produces almost four cups of whey. Hope this

helps. Eileen Brown

[Guest guest]

I am posting this from Mimi.... on the topic of fermented foods. It is not

OT... but there are some SCD guidelines for fermented foods. Molly.... please

note Elaine's comment below about kefir... that it is okay for AFTER one is well

(I take that to mean no symptoms). -Patti

******************************************

Dear Listmates,

Here is an article by biochemist,Seth Barrows, about SCD and femented

foods. Inside this article are sauerkraut recipes. This is not the full

article,I took a lot out. Please read Elaine's comments below.

http://www.geocities.com/scd_post/SCDietFermetedfoods2.html

Elaine's comments:

I have read it. I assume Seth wrote it and it is quite good.

*Warning: If one does not dilute the sauerkraut juice, etc. for the

first few months, you very might run into trouble. As I have stated

before,children/adults who have narrowing of the ileum, (and lymphoid

nodular hyperplasia causes narrowing) eating a lot of uncooked foods

with peels (even if fermented) can cause obstructions.

*No raw juice should be consumed until brisk diarrhea is over.

*I have said that Kefir is OK after they are well.

*No Wild Fermentation.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

I have assembled some posts concerning sauerkraut. Hope you enjoy the

kraut!

Mimi

http://www.geocities.com/recoverymaze/sauerkrautinfo.html

Need tips on fermented foods

We are doing dairy-free SCD now, so we are not doing the goat yogurt.

I am looking for ways to get some good bacteria into our systems. We

do take probiotics but I am thinking of fermenting veggies which I

read about on the Body Ecology Website and am considering making the

coconut kefir suggested on there as well to give us an extra kick.

Any suggestions/thoughts in this area?

Thanks

molly

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com

[Guest guest]

Are you using any of the legal probiotics? Might not be as good as yogurt, but

definitely better than nothing. -Patti

Re: Need tips on fermented foods

Thanks for your reply, Patti. We have been doing SCD for 9 months.

But, we recently went back to the intro for one of my kids (the one

who brought us to SCD) because he was still having lots of issues. He

is doing wonderfullly now and we are going VERY slowly in adding new

foods. My other two and I would be the ones having the fermented

foods, though. None of us have ever had any obvious digestive

troubles but we are doing the diet partly to support my son and partly

because it just makes sense. Do you have any suggestions for how to

get good bacteria into my middle guy since he is not ready for the

fermented veggies? Also, I thought the Kefir might not be legal, but

wasn't sure.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the article and Elaine's comments. This was very helpful.

And thanks for clarifying that this is not OT. I will continue with

our legal probiotics and, though I would eventually like to introduce

fermented cabbage, I will wait on this. And, I will put the kefir

idea aside for now and see how we go. Learning each day....

Thanks,

molly

>

> I am posting this from Mimi.... on the topic of fermented foods. It

is not OT... but there are some SCD guidelines for fermented foods.

Molly.... please note Elaine's comment below about kefir... that it is

okay for AFTER one is well (I take that to mean no symptoms). -Patti

> ******************************************

>

> Dear Listmates,

>

> Here is an article by biochemist,Seth Barrows, about SCD and femented

> foods. Inside this article are sauerkraut recipes. This is not the full

> article,I took a lot out. Please read Elaine's comments below.

>

> http://www.geocities.com/scd_post/SCDietFermetedfoods2.html

>

> Elaine's comments:

> I have read it. I assume Seth wrote it and it is quite good.

>

> *Warning: If one does not dilute the sauerkraut juice, etc. for the

> first few months, you very might run into trouble. As I have stated

> before,children/adults who have narrowing of the ileum, (and lymphoid

> nodular hyperplasia causes narrowing) eating a lot of uncooked foods

> with peels (even if fermented) can cause obstructions.

>

> *No raw juice should be consumed until brisk diarrhea is over.

>

> *I have said that Kefir is OK after they are well.

>

> *No Wild Fermentation.

> -----------------------------------------------------------------------

> I have assembled some posts concerning sauerkraut. Hope you enjoy the

> kraut!

>

> Mimi

>

> http://www.geocities.com/recoverymaze/sauerkrautinfo.html

>

>

> Need tips on fermented foods

>

>

> We are doing dairy-free SCD now, so we are not doing the goat

yogurt.

> I am looking for ways to get some good bacteria into our

systems. We

> do take probiotics but I am thinking of fermenting veggies which I

> read about on the Body Ecology Website and am considering making the

> coconut kefir suggested on there as well to give us an extra kick.

> Any suggestions/thoughts in this area?

>

> Thanks

> molly

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read

the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read

the following websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Elaine explains that the water from your yogurt is not whey.

Elaine writes:

The water is not whey, per se. Whey contains lactose is usually the word used

when you separate milk into curds (protein) and whey just like Little Jack

Horner. There is no culture involved, just separation which I believe is done by

using rennet when making cheese.

The water we get in our lengthy fermentation is actually the " water of

hydolysis) which forms when the culture splits lactose which yields two

monosaccharides and H2O.

It varies often with temperature variations as well as when you use milk with

varying amount of fat. Skim milk would yield the most water as it has more

lactose than whole milk and, therefore, there would be more water of hydrolysis

when this increased amount of lactose is split. If your yoghurt is sour, it is

OK

Originally from the Long Island listserve.

Also from Elaine

The water of hydrolysis contains galactose, some proteins like lactoalbumin and

some lactic acid. What you are getting in dripped yogurt is almost pure casein.

Eileen Brown wrote:

Dear Molly:

Would whey from a dairy yogurt be good for you? Whey has all the good bacteria

and maybe just a tad of casein. [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

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[Guest guest]

Be cautious about the bacteria you use to ferment. The BED starter

has dairy (if you're avoiding). We tried a variety of

approaches: " wild fermentation " - where you simply let the veggie

ferment in its own native flora, and populating the veggie brine

with my son's probiotic which at the time was a rotation of

rhamnosus,l. acidophilus and bifidus. The result was a D. lactate

overgrowth, resulting in intestinal acidosus, which can lead to

pancreatitis. He can now no longer take l. acidophilus. I would use

caution with either method, and be sure that the bacteria you're

using to produce the fermentation is what you want your child to

have.

In theory I think cultured veggies are fine, but you need to use

more caution than the BED people seem to be aware of.

Coconut kefir is SCD illegal, so I won't address it here, but feel

free to email me if you'd like our experience with it.

Suzanne

>

> Molly,

> I don't believe the coconut kefir is SCD legal. The fermented

veggies (homemade) could be okay, but would not be for beginners.

You didn't say how long you've been on SCD.

>

> Patti

> Need tips on fermented foods

>

>

> We are doing dairy-free SCD now, so we are not doing the goat

yogurt.

> I am looking for ways to get some good bacteria into our

systems. We

> do take probiotics but I am thinking of fermenting veggies which

I

> read about on the Body Ecology Website and am considering making

the

> coconut kefir suggested on there as well to give us an extra

kick.

> Any suggestions/thoughts in this area?

>

> Thanks

> molly

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read

the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read

the following websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

>

>

>