Re: High calorie foods that are easy to digest

[Guest guest]

Hi Bruce, I am not a novic by any means but was wondering if you

have looked at these two sites. They might help you until a more

experienced SCDer chimes in. The one thing I would stay away from

would be the nuts. I was wondering if the avocato would be a good

choice for you or maybe even the squarsh. These are on level two of

the second site so they may even be to much.

I hope someone chimes in tomorow morning for you that can really

help.

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/beginners_guide/the_intro_die

t2.htm

http://www.pecanbread.com/foodprep.html#beyond

Be blessed

Sandy M.

>

> Hi I have been diagnosed with ulcerative colitis about 2 years

ago.

> I had a recent very bad flare up and in the past 2 weeks I've lost

> about 20 pounds. I have the urge to go relatively quickly after

> each meal so I end up going 4 or 5 times a day (this really

sucks).

> And of course there is accompanying blood and mucus. A few days

ago

> I decided to start the SCD. I'm a bachelor and never cooked

before,

> but I suppose that might be part of why I'm in this mess! So I

will

> learn slowly.

>

> I am currently eating 2 scrambled eggs in the morning with dry

> cottage cheese and homemade yogurt. Then for lunch and dinner I

eat

> more dry cottage cheese/yogurt and lots of boiled carrots.

Finally

> I drink a lot of pure orange or grape juice and eat ripe bananas

> throughout the day. Before the SCD I was eating essentially

nothing

> for a week and hence the huge weight loss. The problem is that

> despite eating all this cheese/yogurt/carrots/bananas, I am not

> gaining weight and also usually hungry. In fact I'm continuing to

> lose even more weight! I've only been on the SCD for 3 days but

it

> also doesn't seem to be helping the frequent urge to go.

>

> My question (finally!) is what are some very high calorie foods

that

> I can eat at this early stage of the diet that will fill me up and

> help me gain weight. I was thinking cheese or nuts or peanut

> butter, but these might not be good to add at this stage. Any

> thoughts? Appreciate any advice...

>

> Thanks, Bruce

>

[Guest guest]

I can help you with some observations that I've had with my son who has UC.

I'm sure everyone is different, but maybe something here will help.

I would start with the intro diet if possible for a few days, and then

transition to a low carb version of SCD for a week or so. Be sure to water

down your juices - and citrus might be a problem. My son can only tolerate

grape juice (purple and white) and apple cider (unfiltered apple juice not

from concentrate). That could be unique to him, but might be worth

experimenting with. The juice will keep you from ketosis, which would cause

the weight loss.

Also, the carrots, though high in calories, are also high in legal sugar. I

would back off and go to other veggies first.

Avocado, nut flour, and cheese are very high in calories. I was afraid of

cheese with my UC son at first because of his problems with dairy, but

finally, cautiously, tried the legal cheeses and have found it's a very gut

friendly food for him. He eats a TON with no problems.

Yeast is commonly a problem in UC, so backing off the fruit and carrots

might help get that in check. An antifungal like oreganol might help that

as well... and if you don't see improvement and want to try a natural

antibiotic, Citracidal plus helped my son tremendously. I'm not sure if the

herbs in it are legal, but there is a Citracidal without the herbs that is

legal. I would try SCD alone, backing off the fruit and such, and then if

you need additional help, try the other things... the treatments themselves

can aggrivate symptoms while doing it.

My son is now in full remission, no steroids, and a maintenance dose of

sulfasalzine. Sulfasalazine (azulfadine) did wonders for my son as well -

it's an antibiotic as well as an anti-inflammatory drug. If you can

tolerate it Elaine highly recommended it and I found it wonderful for my

son.

Though in remission, if he eats too much fruit or legal carbs he will get

diarrhea. I just go back to low carb for a day or two and he's back on

track (we don't go in to ketosis).

I hope some of this helps!

Robbie

High calorie foods that are easy to digest

Hi I have been diagnosed with ulcerative colitis about 2 years ago.

I had a recent very bad flare up and in the past 2 weeks I've lost

about 20 pounds. I have the urge to go relatively quickly after

each meal so I end up going 4 or 5 times a day (this really sucks).

And of course there is accompanying blood and mucus. A few days ago

I decided to start the SCD. I'm a bachelor and never cooked before,

but I suppose that might be part of why I'm in this mess! So I will

learn slowly.

I am currently eating 2 scrambled eggs in the morning with dry

cottage cheese and homemade yogurt. Then for lunch and dinner I eat

more dry cottage cheese/yogurt and lots of boiled carrots. Finally

I drink a lot of pure orange or grape juice and eat ripe bananas

throughout the day. Before the SCD I was eating essentially nothing

for a week and hence the huge weight loss. The problem is that

despite eating all this cheese/yogurt/carrots/bananas, I am not

gaining weight and also usually hungry. In fact I'm continuing to

lose even more weight! I've only been on the SCD for 3 days but it

also doesn't seem to be helping the frequent urge to go.

My question (finally!) is what are some very high calorie foods that

I can eat at this early stage of the diet that will fill me up and

help me gain weight. I was thinking cheese or nuts or peanut

butter, but these might not be good to add at this stage. Any

thoughts? Appreciate any advice...

Thanks, Bruce

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com

[Guest guest]

I came pretty sick myself with advance Celiac Disease. My only answer is to eat

often, anything that your body can digest. I still eat 8 times a day. I would

not eat nuts, or peanut butter to difficult for the damaged gut.

To add calories I used Coconut Oils (the pure kinds), Ghee or Butter (since you

can tolerate dairy) on everything. I am still trying to gain weight. I too,

lost first with this diet. I think it was mostly edema though. I tried not to

worry, even though in all honesty it freaked me out a little. I am three months

out...and have now gained 6 pounds. My daughter went from the 5% to the 15% in

three months. She too lost weight at first.

Bananas, avocados, yogurt and eggs, chicken and other soups, fruit sauces, where

our friends in the beginning. We ate lots of these in the beginning. Make sure

that you are not getting a sneaky illegal in your prescriptions, supplements or

anything. This hung us up from having success. Until we took everything

" Illegal " out we suffered the consequences.

Once the gut heals you will gain weight again. Hang in there. It just might

not feel like it right now.

God Bless Antoinette (SCD 3/06 Celiac), also mother of KiKi (celiac/autistic)

[Guest guest]

this is just an idea but i know from practical experience that

vitamin d is very immuno-supressing in the short term and if the uc

was from an overactive gut immune system then maybe taking say 1000iu

of vitamin d for a couple of days or a week may very signficantly help

the vit d derived from sheeps lanolin is the best

also sunbathing under a solar noon sun for short periods over summer

depending where you are can be a very signficant source of vit d, and

sunbathing is also immuno supressive

i have written up on this in 'skin vitamin d' in the index of

http://tinyurl.com/2csa3

if you do this it would be very interesting to know how it goes

grapes might be a bit yeast promoting

the www.houstonni.com hn-zyme and no-fenol with rice bran filler and

in capsules will help with weight gain, houstonni does a protease as

well 'pep' but you may not tolerate it yet

in actual fact its not possible to target weight gain directly and

just remember that the illest people are heavily overweight

don't worry about muscle loss, thats the body doing the correct

thing downsizing a very metabolically expensive tissue

some have issues with nuts and peanuts

don't overdo the cheese

in all honesty the way you are eating i would not be well, what about

meat?

well look at the enzymes and vit d

>

> Hi I have been diagnosed with ulcerative colitis about 2 years

ago.

> I had a recent very bad flare up and in the past 2 weeks I've lost

> about 20 pounds. I have the urge to go relatively quickly after

> each meal so I end up going 4 or 5 times a day (this really

sucks).

> And of course there is accompanying blood and mucus. A few days

ago

> I decided to start the SCD. I'm a bachelor and never cooked

before,

> but I suppose that might be part of why I'm in this mess! So I

will

> learn slowly.

>

> I am currently eating 2 scrambled eggs in the morning with dry

> cottage cheese and homemade yogurt. Then for lunch and dinner I

eat

> more dry cottage cheese/yogurt and lots of boiled carrots. Finally

> I drink a lot of pure orange or grape juice and eat ripe bananas

> throughout the day. Before the SCD I was eating essentially

nothing

> for a week and hence the huge weight loss. The problem is that

> despite eating all this cheese/yogurt/carrots/bananas, I am not

> gaining weight and also usually hungry. In fact I'm continuing to

> lose even more weight! I've only been on the SCD for 3 days but it

> also doesn't seem to be helping the frequent urge to go.

>

> My question (finally!) is what are some very high calorie foods

that

> I can eat at this early stage of the diet that will fill me up and

> help me gain weight. I was thinking cheese or nuts or peanut

> butter, but these might not be good to add at this stage. Any

> thoughts? Appreciate any advice...

>

> Thanks, Bruce

>

[Guest guest]

- this is helpful - do you know of a source for sheep-lanolin

derived Vit. D?

Suzanne with a very sensitive kid

>

>

>

> this is just an idea but i know from practical experience that

> vitamin d is very immuno-supressing in the short term and if the uc

> was from an overactive gut immune system then maybe taking say

1000iu

> of vitamin d for a couple of days or a week may very signficantly

help

>

> the vit d derived from sheeps lanolin is the best

>

[Guest guest]

you will have to google it for the usa, i am in australia and

blackmores sell one, but its not a usa brand

> >

> >

> >

> > this is just an idea but i know from practical experience that

> > vitamin d is very immuno-supressing in the short term and if the

uc

> > was from an overactive gut immune system then maybe taking say

> 1000iu

> > of vitamin d for a couple of days or a week may very signficantly

> help

> >

> > the vit d derived from sheeps lanolin is the best

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, thanks for the replies everyone.

Robbie:

When you say " tolerate " what exactly do you mean by this? That it

causes diarrhea or discomfort? For example when I eat the homemade

yogurt it causes some gas and I get the feeling that it causes me to

go more often to the bathroom, but I'm not sure about this. I don't

know if I would have had to go anyways. I mean the yogurt doesn't

sit completely quietly but I would by no means categorize it as

intolerable. And ok, I will try reducing the orange juice and focus

on apple and grape juices that are watered down. I haven't been

diluting them at all. Also you mention that carrots are high in

calorie, I would have thought the complete opposite which is why

they leave me so hungry, because they are low in calorie. So what

other easy digesting vegetable would you suggest? I will definitely

try the avacado since others have suggested it too.

Thanks.

>

> I can help you with some observations that I've had with my son

who has UC.

> I'm sure everyone is different, but maybe something here will help.

>

> I would start with the intro diet if possible for a few days, and

then

> transition to a low carb version of SCD for a week or so. Be sure

to water

> down your juices - and citrus might be a problem. My son can only

tolerate

> grape juice (purple and white) and apple cider (unfiltered apple

juice not

> from concentrate). That could be unique to him, but might be

worth

> experimenting with. The juice will keep you from ketosis, which

would cause

> the weight loss.

>

> Also, the carrots, though high in calories, are also high in legal

sugar. I

> would back off and go to other veggies first.

>

> Avocado, nut flour, and cheese are very high in calories. I was

afraid of

> cheese with my UC son at first because of his problems with dairy,

but

> finally, cautiously, tried the legal cheeses and have found it's a

very gut

> friendly food for him. He eats a TON with no problems.

>

> Yeast is commonly a problem in UC, so backing off the fruit and

carrots

> might help get that in check. An antifungal like oreganol might

help that

> as well... and if you don't see improvement and want to try a

natural

> antibiotic, Citracidal plus helped my son tremendously. I'm not

sure if the

> herbs in it are legal, but there is a Citracidal without the herbs

that is

> legal. I would try SCD alone, backing off the fruit and such, and

then if

> you need additional help, try the other things... the treatments

themselves

> can aggrivate symptoms while doing it.

>

> My son is now in full remission, no steroids, and a maintenance

dose of

> sulfasalzine. Sulfasalazine (azulfadine) did wonders for my son

as well -

> it's an antibiotic as well as an anti-inflammatory drug. If you

can

> tolerate it Elaine highly recommended it and I found it wonderful

for my

> son.

>

> Though in remission, if he eats too much fruit or legal carbs he

will get

> diarrhea. I just go back to low carb for a day or two and he's

back on

> track (we don't go in to ketosis).

>

> I hope some of this helps!

>

> Robbie

>

>

>

>

>

>

> High calorie foods that are easy to digest

>

>

> Hi I have been diagnosed with ulcerative colitis about 2 years ago.

> I had a recent very bad flare up and in the past 2 weeks I've lost

> about 20 pounds. I have the urge to go relatively quickly after

> each meal so I end up going 4 or 5 times a day (this really sucks).

> And of course there is accompanying blood and mucus. A few days

ago

> I decided to start the SCD. I'm a bachelor and never cooked

before,

> but I suppose that might be part of why I'm in this mess! So I

will

> learn slowly.

>

> I am currently eating 2 scrambled eggs in the morning with dry

> cottage cheese and homemade yogurt. Then for lunch and dinner I

eat

> more dry cottage cheese/yogurt and lots of boiled carrots. Finally

> I drink a lot of pure orange or grape juice and eat ripe bananas

> throughout the day. Before the SCD I was eating essentially

nothing

> for a week and hence the huge weight loss. The problem is that

> despite eating all this cheese/yogurt/carrots/bananas, I am not

> gaining weight and also usually hungry. In fact I'm continuing to

> lose even more weight! I've only been on the SCD for 3 days but it

> also doesn't seem to be helping the frequent urge to go.

>

> My question (finally!) is what are some very high calorie foods

that

> I can eat at this early stage of the diet that will fill me up and

> help me gain weight. I was thinking cheese or nuts or peanut

> butter, but these might not be good to add at this stage. Any

> thoughts? Appreciate any advice...

>

> Thanks, Bruce

>

>

>

>

>

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the

book

> _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the

following

> websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

[Guest guest]

Bruce,

Did you start with the SCD intro diet, as outlined in the book? If so, it seems

that at only 3 days into the diet, you would barely be coming off intro right

now. After only 3 days, it also seems to early to be expecting weight gain. It's

fairly common to have an initial phase where you actually feel slightly worse,

from the " dying off " of gut pathogens.

I'd advise re-reading the book, Breaking the Vicious Cycle, and making sure

you're implementing the diet as written by Elaine Gottschall. Follow her

instructions for the " intro " diet, if you haven't done that.

Patti

High calorie foods that are easy to digest

Hi I have been diagnosed with ulcerative colitis about 2 years ago.

I had a recent very bad flare up and in the past 2 weeks I've lost

about 20 pounds. I have the urge to go relatively quickly after

each meal so I end up going 4 or 5 times a day (this really sucks).

And of course there is accompanying blood and mucus. A few days ago

I decided to start the SCD. I'm a bachelor and never cooked before,

but I suppose that might be part of why I'm in this mess! So I will

learn slowly.

I am currently eating 2 scrambled eggs in the morning with dry

cottage cheese and homemade yogurt. Then for lunch and dinner I eat

more dry cottage cheese/yogurt and lots of boiled carrots. Finally

I drink a lot of pure orange or grape juice and eat ripe bananas

throughout the day. Before the SCD I was eating essentially nothing

for a week and hence the huge weight loss. The problem is that

despite eating all this cheese/yogurt/carrots/bananas, I am not

gaining weight and also usually hungry. In fact I'm continuing to

lose even more weight! I've only been on the SCD for 3 days but it

also doesn't seem to be helping the frequent urge to go.

My question (finally!) is what are some very high calorie foods that

I can eat at this early stage of the diet that will fill me up and

help me gain weight. I was thinking cheese or nuts or peanut

butter, but these might not be good to add at this stage. Any

thoughts? Appreciate any advice...

Thanks, Bruce

[Guest guest]

Hi Patti:

Yes I have been following it. The only thing is I have been boiling

fresh carrots in the microwave instead of pureeing them as suggested

in the book (cause I don't have a blender or food processor). Is

this bad? The carrots are usually quite soft after heating. I've

been drinking orange juice instead of grape or apple cider, although

I've forgotten to dilute it in half - I will do that from now on.

Also I've been eating soft ripe bananas and pieces of gruyere cheese

at night because I'm starving and the cheese sates me.

The diarrhea doesn't seem to be severe (what exactly does severe

diarrhea mean?) so I have been eating 2 scrambled eggs every

morning. I've followed the yogurt and dry curd thing to a tee. The

cheese I've been using is baker's cheese (hope that's the right

thing - it's white and flaky). The only thing with the yogurt is

that it feels like it's enhancing the urge to go - almost like I can

feel it moving food through my intestines in real-time, but it by no

means sits badly with me. I'll try to incorporate beef patties

tonight as suggested in the book. The book says broil them but do

you think it's ok to fry them? Would you change any of the above?

Thanks for your feedback.

>

> Bruce,

>

> Did you start with the SCD intro diet, as outlined in the book? If

so, it seems that at only 3 days into the diet, you would barely be

coming off intro right now. After only 3 days, it also seems to

early to be expecting weight gain. It's fairly common to have an

initial phase where you actually feel slightly worse, from

the " dying off " of gut pathogens.

>

> I'd advise re-reading the book, Breaking the Vicious Cycle, and

making sure you're implementing the diet as written by Elaine

Gottschall. Follow her instructions for the " intro " diet, if you

haven't done that.

>

> Patti

> High calorie foods that are easy to digest

>

>

> Hi I have been diagnosed with ulcerative colitis about 2 years

ago.

> I had a recent very bad flare up and in the past 2 weeks I've

lost

> about 20 pounds. I have the urge to go relatively quickly after

> each meal so I end up going 4 or 5 times a day (this really

sucks).

> And of course there is accompanying blood and mucus. A few days

ago

> I decided to start the SCD. I'm a bachelor and never cooked

before,

> but I suppose that might be part of why I'm in this mess! So I

will

> learn slowly.

>

> I am currently eating 2 scrambled eggs in the morning with dry

> cottage cheese and homemade yogurt. Then for lunch and dinner I

eat

> more dry cottage cheese/yogurt and lots of boiled carrots.

Finally

> I drink a lot of pure orange or grape juice and eat ripe bananas

> throughout the day. Before the SCD I was eating essentially

nothing

> for a week and hence the huge weight loss. The problem is that

> despite eating all this cheese/yogurt/carrots/bananas, I am not

> gaining weight and also usually hungry. In fact I'm continuing

to

> lose even more weight! I've only been on the SCD for 3 days but

it

> also doesn't seem to be helping the frequent urge to go.

>

> My question (finally!) is what are some very high calorie foods

that

> I can eat at this early stage of the diet that will fill me up

and

> help me gain weight. I was thinking cheese or nuts or peanut

> butter, but these might not be good to add at this stage. Any

> thoughts? Appreciate any advice...

>

> Thanks, Bruce

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oh one more thing, are frozen beef patties from the supermarket ok?

Or do they need to be handmade from gound beef?

>

> Bruce,

>

> Did you start with the SCD intro diet, as outlined in the book? If

so, it seems that at only 3 days into the diet, you would barely be

coming off intro right now. After only 3 days, it also seems to

early to be expecting weight gain. It's fairly common to have an

initial phase where you actually feel slightly worse, from

the " dying off " of gut pathogens.

>

> I'd advise re-reading the book, Breaking the Vicious Cycle, and

making sure you're implementing the diet as written by Elaine

Gottschall. Follow her instructions for the " intro " diet, if you

haven't done that.

>

> Patti

> High calorie foods that are easy to digest

>

>

> Hi I have been diagnosed with ulcerative colitis about 2 years

ago.

> I had a recent very bad flare up and in the past 2 weeks I've

lost

> about 20 pounds. I have the urge to go relatively quickly after

> each meal so I end up going 4 or 5 times a day (this really

sucks).

> And of course there is accompanying blood and mucus. A few days

ago

> I decided to start the SCD. I'm a bachelor and never cooked

before,

> but I suppose that might be part of why I'm in this mess! So I

will

> learn slowly.

>

> I am currently eating 2 scrambled eggs in the morning with dry

> cottage cheese and homemade yogurt. Then for lunch and dinner I

eat

> more dry cottage cheese/yogurt and lots of boiled carrots.

Finally

> I drink a lot of pure orange or grape juice and eat ripe bananas

> throughout the day. Before the SCD I was eating essentially

nothing

> for a week and hence the huge weight loss. The problem is that

> despite eating all this cheese/yogurt/carrots/bananas, I am not

> gaining weight and also usually hungry. In fact I'm continuing

to

> lose even more weight! I've only been on the SCD for 3 days but

it

> also doesn't seem to be helping the frequent urge to go.

>

> My question (finally!) is what are some very high calorie foods

that

> I can eat at this early stage of the diet that will fill me up

and

> help me gain weight. I was thinking cheese or nuts or peanut

> butter, but these might not be good to add at this stage. Any

> thoughts? Appreciate any advice...

>

> Thanks, Bruce

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Bruce,

This is a little harder for me to address your beginning SCD, because most of

the folks on this list are doing the diet with children... we do have some

adults on the list, doing the diet for various gut disorders, but most are

parents of children with autism.

I'm glad to hear you're going to the diluted grape or apple ... rather than the

undilute O.J.! Be sure you go with natural, fresh-pressed apple cider.... not

" off the shelf " , clear apple juice. I'd stick with Welch's grape juice (bottled,

not frozen) if I were you (diluted!).

So... you are not doing the chicken soup, as outlined in BTVC? If you were, I

would expect you to be cooking your carrots in the pot, along with the chicken.

I think that would be far superior to cooking them in the microwave. I won't get

into the whole discussion of pros and cons of using microwaves... I know some

people swear it destroys essential nutrients in the food. I just think you're

cheating yourself out of the good stuff that the carrots would add to your

chicken broth.... and the broth itself, by the way, would be a very, very good

thing for you right now.

If you don't have a blender, or a food processer, I would strongly urge you to

borrow one, pick one up at a thrift store. You could buy a handblender at any

department store or supermarket that has a kitchenware section.... for about

$25. Well worth the investment. Pureeing those carrots, after a nice long simmer

in the chicken soup pot, would just make them all that much easier to digest,

which is just essential for you at this point.

You wrote:

<<The diarrhea doesn't seem to be severe (what exactly does severe

diarrhea mean?) so I have been eating 2 scrambled eggs every

morning. >>

Honestly, only you can be the judge of that. Sorry I can't be any more helpful

than that. Elaine does include eggs on the intro.

<<Also I've been eating soft ripe bananas and pieces of gruyere cheese

at night because I'm starving and the cheese sates me. >>

Well, you were jumping the gun if you included those on your first days of SCD

intro. I think it might have been better to eat more of the allowed foods....

eggs, chicken, broiled hamburger or broiled fish.... than to go on. Consider

pulling back and doing exactly what Elaine outlines if you don't see improvement

soon.

<<The cheese I've been using is baker's cheese (hope that's the right

thing - it's white and flaky). >>

I'm sorry... I really don't know if this is okay or not. Do you mean that this

is what you're using for " dry curd cottage cheese " ? I've never heard DCCC

referred to as " baker's cheese " . I'm honestly not sure it is legal. Can anyone

else comment?

<<The only thing with the yogurt is that it feels like it's enhancing the urge

to go>>

The SCD yogurt is pretty powerful stuff. You are definitely making it exactly as

the book states? 24 hours? Remember that you may have bad gut pathogens dying

off... and making their " exit " , so to speak. It may take a little time for all

to settle down.

<<The book says broil them but do you think it's ok to fry them?>>

Yes, I think you should broil them. There are reasons for every instruction the

book outlines. Frying is bad for more than one reason... but mainly, I believe

she said to broil because then the fat drips off. If you absolutely don't have

any way to broil, I guess I would suggest buying LEAN ground beef and then

draining on paper toweling.

<<Oh one more thing, are frozen beef patties from the supermarket ok?

Or do they need to be handmade from gound beef?>>

NO, I personally would not trust the pre-made patties to not contain illegal

starches! You can shape the meat into a patty... it's not all that

difficult....yes, you can.

I know you have no cooking experience, but, you can do this, Bruce! Do you

have a friend, neighbor, mom, auntie, sister, or SOMEone who could pop over and

give you some basic lessons... and maybe loan you some tools/appliances?

Patti, mom to Katera (and mom to three grown-up boys... ages 26, 23, and 18...

all of whom were taught to cook early on! )

Re: High calorie foods that are easy to digest

<<Yes I have been following it. The only thing is I have been boiling

fresh carrots in the microwave instead of pureeing them as suggested

in the book (cause I don't have a blender or food processor). Is

this bad? The carrots are usually quite soft after heating. I've

been drinking orange juice instead of grape or apple cider, although

I've forgotten to dilute it in half - I will do that from now on.

Also I've been eating soft ripe bananas and pieces of gruyere cheese

at night because I'm starving and the cheese sates me.

The diarrhea doesn't seem to be severe (what exactly does severe

diarrhea mean?) so I have been eating 2 scrambled eggs every

morning. >>

[Guest guest]

Bruce,

You really should be making your beef patties homemade. The ones from the

supermarket undoubtedly have something in them to hold them together. My motto

is, " when in doubt, make it yourself> " (that kind of rhymes?)

Charlene

Oh one more thing, are frozen beef patties from the supermarket ok?

Or do they need to be handmade from gound beef?

>

> Bruce,

>

> Did you start with the SCD intro diet, as outlined in the book? If

so, it seems that at only 3 days into the diet, you would barely be

coming off intro right now. After only 3 days, it also seems to

early to be expecting weight gain. It's fairly common to have an

initial phase where you actually feel slightly worse, from

the " dying off " of gut pathogens.

>

> I'd advise re-reading the book, Breaking the Vicious Cycle, and

making sure you're implementing the diet as written by Elaine

Gottschall. Follow her instructions for the " intro " diet, if you

haven't done that.

>

> Patti

> High calorie foods that are easy to digest

>

>

> Hi I have been diagnosed with ulcerative colitis about 2 years

ago.

> I had a recent very bad flare up and in the past 2 weeks I've

lost

> about 20 pounds. I have the urge to go relatively quickly after

> each meal so I end up going 4 or 5 times a day (this really

sucks).

> And of course there is accompanying blood and mucus. A few days

ago

> I decided to start the SCD. I'm a bachelor and never cooked

before,

> but I suppose that might be part of why I'm in this mess! So I

will

> learn slowly.

>

> I am currently eating 2 scrambled eggs in the morning with dry

> cottage cheese and homemade yogurt. Then for lunch and dinner I

eat

> more dry cottage cheese/yogurt and lots of boiled carrots.

Finally

> I drink a lot of pure orange or grape juice and eat ripe bananas

> throughout the day. Before the SCD I was eating essentially

nothing

> for a week and hence the huge weight loss. The problem is that

> despite eating all this cheese/yogurt/carrots/bananas, I am not

> gaining weight and also usually hungry. In fact I'm continuing

to

> lose even more weight! I've only been on the SCD for 3 days but

it

> also doesn't seem to be helping the frequent urge to go.

>

> My question (finally!) is what are some very high calorie foods

that

> I can eat at this early stage of the diet that will fill me up

and

> help me gain weight. I was thinking cheese or nuts or peanut

> butter, but these might not be good to add at this stage. Any

> thoughts? Appreciate any advice...

>

> Thanks, Bruce

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Bruce,

I just read this post and wanted to respond. You may want to avoid the oj. It

can be a little more irritating because of the high acidity. I find when I am

having trouble the grape juice does me better-really watered down.

When you heat the carrots are they already cooked and you are just warming them

up? I don't know about anyone else but I find food that is cooked in the

microwave from scratch tends to give me a tummy ache. Just heating up food that

has already been cooked (i.e. left overs) is ok but from scratch bugs me. Just a

thought.

Charlene

UC 8 years

SCD 5 1/2 years

Hi Patti:

Yes I have been following it. The only thing is I have been boiling

fresh carrots in the microwave instead of pureeing them as suggested

in the book (cause I don't have a blender or food processor). Is

this bad? The carrots are usually quite soft after heating. I've

been drinking orange juice instead of grape or apple cider, although

I've forgotten to dilute it in half - I will do that from now on.

Also I've been eating soft ripe bananas and pieces of gruyere cheese

at night because I'm starving and the cheese sates me.

The diarrhea doesn't seem to be severe (what exactly does severe

diarrhea mean?) so I have been eating 2 scrambled eggs every

morning. I've followed the yogurt and dry curd thing to a tee. The

cheese I've been using is baker's cheese (hope that's the right

thing - it's white and flaky). The only thing with the yogurt is

that it feels like it's enhancing the urge to go - almost like I can

feel it moving food through my intestines in real-time, but it by no

means sits badly with me. I'll try to incorporate beef patties

tonight as suggested in the book. The book says broil them but do

you think it's ok to fry them? Would you change any of the above?

Thanks for your feedback.

>

> Bruce,

>

> Did you start with the SCD intro diet, as outlined in the book? If

so, it seems that at only 3 days into the diet, you would barely be

coming off intro right now. After only 3 days, it also seems to

early to be expecting weight gain. It's fairly common to have an

initial phase where you actually feel slightly worse, from

the " dying off " of gut pathogens.

>

> I'd advise re-reading the book, Breaking the Vicious Cycle, and

making sure you're implementing the diet as written by Elaine

Gottschall. Follow her instructions for the " intro " diet, if you

haven't done that.

>

> Patti

> High calorie foods that are easy to digest

>

>

> Hi I have been diagnosed with ulcerative colitis about 2 years

ago.

> I had a recent very bad flare up and in the past 2 weeks I've

lost

> about 20 pounds. I have the urge to go relatively quickly after

> each meal so I end up going 4 or 5 times a day (this really

sucks).

> And of course there is accompanying blood and mucus. A few days

ago

> I decided to start the SCD. I'm a bachelor and never cooked

before,

> but I suppose that might be part of why I'm in this mess! So I

will

> learn slowly.

>

> I am currently eating 2 scrambled eggs in the morning with dry

> cottage cheese and homemade yogurt. Then for lunch and dinner I

eat

> more dry cottage cheese/yogurt and lots of boiled carrots.

Finally

> I drink a lot of pure orange or grape juice and eat ripe bananas

> throughout the day. Before the SCD I was eating essentially

nothing

> for a week and hence the huge weight loss. The problem is that

> despite eating all this cheese/yogurt/carrots/bananas, I am not

> gaining weight and also usually hungry. In fact I'm continuing

to

> lose even more weight! I've only been on the SCD for 3 days but

it

> also doesn't seem to be helping the frequent urge to go.

>

> My question (finally!) is what are some very high calorie foods

that

> I can eat at this early stage of the diet that will fill me up

and

> help me gain weight. I was thinking cheese or nuts or peanut

> butter, but these might not be good to add at this stage. Any

> thoughts? Appreciate any advice...

>

> Thanks, Bruce

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Bruce,

>

> I just read this post and wanted to respond. You may want to avoid the oj. It

can be a

little more irritating because of the high acidity. I find when I am having

trouble the grape

juice does me better-really watered down.

Two weeks ago I started using fruit more often in preference to juice asit is

more filling for

a longer time and gives me much needed fiber. It seems to be tolerated better

too. I still,

use juice for making gelatin, adding to recipes etc.

Carol F.

SCD 6 years, celiac

[Guest guest]

Hi thanks for pattie info. I will make them myself, preumably by

mixing a beated egg with the ground beef correct? Is there a ratio

of number of eggs per pound of beef? I will definitely switch to

the grape juice. Also, the carrots are not pre-cooked, they are

raw. What else can I do, boil them in a pot of water?

> >

> > Bruce,

> >

> > Did you start with the SCD intro diet, as outlined in the

book? If

> so, it seems that at only 3 days into the diet, you would barely

be

> coming off intro right now. After only 3 days, it also seems to

> early to be expecting weight gain. It's fairly common to have an

> initial phase where you actually feel slightly worse, from

> the " dying off " of gut pathogens.

> >

> > I'd advise re-reading the book, Breaking the Vicious Cycle,

and

> making sure you're implementing the diet as written by Elaine

> Gottschall. Follow her instructions for the " intro " diet, if you

> haven't done that.

> >

> > Patti

> > High calorie foods that are easy to

digest

> >

> >

> > Hi I have been diagnosed with ulcerative colitis about 2

years

> ago.

> > I had a recent very bad flare up and in the past 2 weeks

I've

> lost

> > about 20 pounds. I have the urge to go relatively quickly

after

> > each meal so I end up going 4 or 5 times a day (this really

> sucks).

> > And of course there is accompanying blood and mucus. A few

days

> ago

> > I decided to start the SCD. I'm a bachelor and never cooked

> before,

> > but I suppose that might be part of why I'm in this mess!

So I

> will

> > learn slowly.

> >

> > I am currently eating 2 scrambled eggs in the morning with

dry

> > cottage cheese and homemade yogurt. Then for lunch and

dinner I

> eat

> > more dry cottage cheese/yogurt and lots of boiled carrots.

> Finally

> > I drink a lot of pure orange or grape juice and eat ripe

bananas

> > throughout the day. Before the SCD I was eating essentially

> nothing

> > for a week and hence the huge weight loss. The problem is

that

> > despite eating all this cheese/yogurt/carrots/bananas, I am

not

> > gaining weight and also usually hungry. In fact I'm

continuing

> to

> > lose even more weight! I've only been on the SCD for 3 days

but

> it

> > also doesn't seem to be helping the frequent urge to go.

> >

> > My question (finally!) is what are some very high calorie

foods

> that

> > I can eat at this early stage of the diet that will fill me

up

> and

> > help me gain weight. I was thinking cheese or nuts or

peanut

> > butter, but these might not be good to add at this stage.

Any

> > thoughts? Appreciate any advice...

> >

> > Thanks, Bruce

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

>Carol,

That's great that this is working for you! I think that Bruce may want to

avoid the fibre during the beginning stages of the diet when there is still d

present.

Charlene

>

Two weeks ago I started using fruit more often in preference to juice asit is

more filling for

a longer time and gives me much needed fiber. It seems to be tolerated better

too. I still,

use juice for making gelatin, adding to recipes etc.

Carol F.

SCD 6 years, celiac

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com

[Guest guest]

Bruce,

Carrots? Yeah, just boil those babies in some water until they are pretty soft.

As for patties, I usually put one egg in for 1-1 1/2 lbs of beef. Just enough

for it to stick and not too much to see the egg white get cooked (blech).

Glad to be of help! Best health to you.

Charlene.

Hi thanks for pattie info. I will make them myself, preumably by

mixing a beated egg with the ground beef correct? Is there a ratio

of number of eggs per pound of beef? I will definitely switch to

the grape juice. Also, the carrots are not pre-cooked, they are

raw. What else can I do, boil them in a pot of water?

> >

> > Bruce,

> >

> > Did you start with the SCD intro diet, as outlined in the

book? If

> so, it seems that at only 3 days into the diet, you would barely

be

> coming off intro right now. After only 3 days, it also seems to

> early to be expecting weight gain. It's fairly common to have an

> initial phase where you actually feel slightly worse, from

> the " dying off " of gut pathogens.

> >

> > I'd advise re-reading the book, Breaking the Vicious Cycle,

and

> making sure you're implementing the diet as written by Elaine

> Gottschall. Follow her instructions for the " intro " diet, if you

> haven't done that.

> >

> > Patti

> > High calorie foods that are easy to

digest

> >

> >

> > Hi I have been diagnosed with ulcerative colitis about 2

years

> ago.

> > I had a recent very bad flare up and in the past 2 weeks

I've

> lost

> > about 20 pounds. I have the urge to go relatively quickly

after

> > each meal so I end up going 4 or 5 times a day (this really

> sucks).

> > And of course there is accompanying blood and mucus. A few

days

> ago

> > I decided to start the SCD. I'm a bachelor and never cooked

> before,

> > but I suppose that might be part of why I'm in this mess!

So I

> will

> > learn slowly.

> >

> > I am currently eating 2 scrambled eggs in the morning with

dry

> > cottage cheese and homemade yogurt. Then for lunch and

dinner I

> eat

> > more dry cottage cheese/yogurt and lots of boiled carrots.

> Finally

> > I drink a lot of pure orange or grape juice and eat ripe

bananas

> > throughout the day. Before the SCD I was eating essentially

> nothing

> > for a week and hence the huge weight loss. The problem is

that

> > despite eating all this cheese/yogurt/carrots/bananas, I am

not

> > gaining weight and also usually hungry. In fact I'm

continuing

> to

> > lose even more weight! I've only been on the SCD for 3 days

but

> it

> > also doesn't seem to be helping the frequent urge to go.

> >

> > My question (finally!) is what are some very high calorie

foods

> that

> > I can eat at this early stage of the diet that will fill me

up

> and

> > help me gain weight. I was thinking cheese or nuts or

peanut

> > butter, but these might not be good to add at this stage.

Any

> > thoughts? Appreciate any advice...

> >

> > Thanks, Bruce

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi thanks for pattie info. I will make them myself, preumably by

> mixing a beated egg with the ground beef correct? Is there a ratio

> of number of eggs per pound of beef?

Bruce,

you can make a perfectly acceptable beef patty out of just ground

beef. You may add one beaten egg to each pound of beef, but it is not

necessary. Experiment and see which way you like better. If you are

uncertain how to cook these, please let us know and we can give you

more details.

Also, the carrots are not pre-cooked, they are

> raw. What else can I do, boil them in a pot of water?

I'm a little confused because I thought you said you were eating a lot

of boiled carrots. You do need to boil or steam your carrots until

soft, but you do not need to boil them twice.

, mom to

[Guest guest]

Hi Patti:

Thanks for the detailed response. To answer your questions and pose

a few more of my own:

1) Is there a group for adults on the diet?

2) I will do the chicken soup - but one question is, are we supposed

to eat the chicken parts or just drink the soup? Also is simmering

for 4 hours as the book suggests going to be enough to properly cook

the chicken? (and simmering means a soft boil for 4 hours correct?)

3) If I was going to buy one appliance that would be the most

useful, which would it be? Food processor, blender, etc?? I don't

mind spending upto $250.

4) Yes I was using the baker's cheese for dccc. Here is a link the

product I am using: http://www.westerncreamery.com/pro_baker.html

There is also something else on that site called pressed cheese.

5) I followed the directions for yogurt making to the letter, 24

hours and all.

6) The only thing I could get my hands on right now was medium

ground beef. But I figure having the extra fat won't be too bad for

the first couple of batches in order to gain some weight.

7) Yes I do have sister and mom, but unfortunately they live in

another city and I just moved here myself recently. But it's ok,

I'm fairly independent and will make it.

Thanks again.

Bruce

> <<The diarrhea doesn't seem to be severe (what exactly does severe

> diarrhea mean?) so I have been eating 2 scrambled eggs every

> morning. >>

>

> Honestly, only you can be the judge of that. Sorry I can't be any

more helpful than that. Elaine does include eggs on the intro.

>

> <<Also I've been eating soft ripe bananas and pieces of gruyere

cheese

> at night because I'm starving and the cheese sates me. >>

>

> Well, you were jumping the gun if you included those on your first

days of SCD intro. I think it might have been better to eat more of

the allowed foods.... eggs, chicken, broiled hamburger or broiled

fish.... than to go on. Consider pulling back and doing exactly what

Elaine outlines if you don't see improvement soon.

>

> <<The cheese I've been using is baker's cheese (hope that's the

right

> thing - it's white and flaky). >>

>

> I'm sorry... I really don't know if this is okay or not. Do you

mean that this is what you're using for " dry curd cottage cheese " ?

I've never heard DCCC referred to as " baker's cheese " . I'm honestly

not sure it is legal. Can anyone else comment?

>

> <<The only thing with the yogurt is that it feels like it's

enhancing the urge to go>>

> The SCD yogurt is pretty powerful stuff. You are definitely making

it exactly as the book states? 24 hours? Remember that you may have

bad gut pathogens dying off... and making their " exit " , so to speak.

It may take a little time for all to settle down.

>

> <<The book says broil them but do you think it's ok to fry them?>>

> Yes, I think you should broil them. There are reasons for every

instruction the book outlines. Frying is bad for more than one

reason... but mainly, I believe she said to broil because then the

fat drips off. If you absolutely don't have any way to broil, I

guess I would suggest buying LEAN ground beef and then draining on

paper toweling.

>

> <<Oh one more thing, are frozen beef patties from the supermarket

ok?

> Or do they need to be handmade from gound beef?>>

>

> NO, I personally would not trust the pre-made patties to not

contain illegal starches! You can shape the meat into a patty...

it's not all that difficult....yes, you can.

>

> I know you have no cooking experience, but, you can do this,

Bruce! Do you have a friend, neighbor, mom, auntie, sister, or

SOMEone who could pop over and give you some basic lessons... and

maybe loan you some tools/appliances?

>

> Patti, mom to Katera (and mom to three grown-up boys... ages 26,

23, and 18... all of whom were taught to cook early on! )

> Re: High calorie foods that are easy to

digest

> <<Yes I have been following it. The only thing is I have been

boiling

> fresh carrots in the microwave instead of pureeing them as

suggested

> in the book (cause I don't have a blender or food processor).

Is

> this bad? The carrots are usually quite soft after heating.

I've

> been drinking orange juice instead of grape or apple cider,

although

> I've forgotten to dilute it in half - I will do that from now

on.

> Also I've been eating soft ripe bananas and pieces of gruyere

cheese

> at night because I'm starving and the cheese sates me.

>

> The diarrhea doesn't seem to be severe (what exactly does severe

> diarrhea mean?) so I have been eating 2 scrambled eggs every

> morning. >>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Bruce,

<<1) Is there a group for adults on the diet?>>

I believe so.... have you been to the website: www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

? I think there are listings for other online support groups there.

Have you also been to www.scdiet.org ? If not, please check it out.

<<2) I will do the chicken soup - but one question is, are we supposed

to eat the chicken parts or just drink the soup? Also is simmering

for 4 hours as the book suggests going to be enough to properly cook

the chicken? (and simmering means a soft boil for 4 hours correct?)>>

You can eat the chicken. Yes, I think 4 hours would do it. Start with a cut-up

chicken and it will definitely be long enough.

<<3) If I was going to buy one appliance that would be the most

useful, which would it be? Food processor, blender, etc?? I don't

mind spending upto $250.>>

I would buy a hand-blender and a food processer. If you're only cooking for

yourself, you might look for a medium sized processer.... not a full size one,

since you won't be cooking big batches of anything, most of the time.

<<4) Yes I was using the baker's cheese for dccc. Here is a link the

product I am using: http://www.westerncreamery.com/pro_baker.html

There is also something else on that site called pressed cheese.>>

This is a question I can't answer. I honestly don't know if it's legal.... were

you referred to this product as being SCD legal? Maybe since it's a Canadian

company, Carol can comment.

Patti, interim moderator

[Guest guest]

>

> Bruce,

Bruce.

The Baker's Cheese from Western is legal as are the other Western dry curd

cottage

cheeses ,01%, ,05% and .10% butter fat. Costco sells the Bakers and the .10% in

large

packages at a good price. My new favorite DCCC is called Mehadrin and is shipped

from

Montreal. It is incredibly good and makes a wonderful cheesecake from page 130

in

edition 10 of BTVC.

Carol F.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Carol. I live in Montreal, do you know which store in

Montreal the Mehadrin cheese ships from?

> >

> > Bruce,

> Bruce.

>

> The Baker's Cheese from Western is legal as are the other Western

dry curd cottage

> cheeses ,01%, ,05% and .10% butter fat. Costco sells the Bakers

and the .10% in large

> packages at a good price. My new favorite DCCC is called Mehadrin

and is shipped from

> Montreal. It is incredibly good and makes a wonderful cheesecake

from page 130 in

> edition 10 of BTVC.

>

> Carol F.

>