Guest guest Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 My 6 year old son has been scd since 01/06 and has made some improvement but still seems to struggle with yeast. He is very hyper and doesn't know how to interact with others.Heplays inappropriately with them- throwing things and just disturbing them. Lately he scripts all day long. It drives me crazy! Movies, computer games, anything he's heard and memorized and I really am not happy about this. His stools look normal, no yeast rash on his bottom or backs of arms anymore, but a few pimples behind his knees and a few on his chest. Has his rash moved to these new places and is throwing me off? He is overall having the same old bizzarre behavior he had while gfcf. I thought this diet was the end all be all and I follow it to the T. At least I think I do, maybe I'm doing something wrong. Can anyone help me? I can't afford to pay for help from the moderators, as my (almost weekly) phone consults with the DAN are $90.00 for 15 mins. This is what my son eats regularly: Breakfast - scrambled eggs, cantaloupe, half of a homemade banana nut muffin and very diluted Dole pineapple juice Lunch - homemade chicken nuggets (pecanbread recipe) steamed broccoli with cauliflower, fresh fruit, and a whole cashew butter muffin. Sometimes carrot sticks too. Dinner - Homemade meatsauce (BTVC recipe) with homemade meatballs. Sometimes spaghetti squash with it. Fresh fruit, either banana, cantaloupe or watermelon. He'll have the other half of muffin for dessert. He's only eating 2 muffins a day, but he does eat a lot of fruit too. Could our salt be bad? I use Morton's Sea Salt, but it does have an anti caking agent called yellow prussiate of soda in it. Is this ingredient illegal? Is the fruit causing the yeast to flare up? I thought this diet would eliminate the need for anti fungals, but he continues to need to rotate sporanox, lamisil, and GSE. What can I do to help him? I feel like I'm busting my rump for nothing if he just continues to be the same. Thanks for any help that anyone might offer. I'm feelin'pretty low right now. ) Tammy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 Dear Tammy, Take a deep breath, many of us have the yeast problem. Are you keeping a food diary? Did you do intro? How fast did you introduce foods? Yeast does not always express itself with the same symptoms person to person. Yeast is a symptom of immune malfunction, not a disease within itself. Often, as long as there is a food causing a reaction in the diet (it can be a hidden reaction as well), this can cause the immune system to be continually depressed. Cashews are an advanced food, high starch. Carrot sticks (raw) are a very advanced food, not one to use if having a yeast flare. Between the carrots and juice and fruit, I see way to many sugary carbs, and not enough carbs from vegetables, cooked, deseeded, and peeled. If the chicken nuggets have nuts too, I would say too many nuts. Many people cannot tolerate nuts well until more healing is done in the diet, if at all. When there is chronic yeast, you have to slow down, and back track. Going back to intro is helpful, then fast tracking forward. The salt I personally use is Redmond's Sea Salt...it is not refined. More information would be helpful, when did each behavoir begin again, and what was introduced within those weeks that wasn't in the diet before. Knowing what kind of supplements he is on may help, as supplements can trigger stimming and what not in sensitive kids. I would also like to know what other protein sources he is consuming besides eggs and the meat sauce. Does he eat eggs everyday? Has a new sensitivity evolved? He is using the SCD goat yogurt or another probiotic supplement? Any recent viruses? More veggies and quality protein and more plain water, I would recommend off the bat. Cantaloupe and Watermelon are pure sugars that I have found really aggravate systematic yeast infections. Summer renato61667 wrote: My 6 year old son has been scd since 01/06 and has made some improvement but still seems to struggle with yeast. He is very hyper and doesn't know how to interact with others.Heplays inappropriately with them- throwing things and just disturbing them. Lately he scripts all day long. It drives me crazy! Movies, computer games, anything he's heard and memorized and I really am not happy about this. His stools look normal, no yeast rash on his bottom or backs of arms anymore, but a few pimples behind his knees and a few on his chest. Has his rash moved to these new places and is throwing me off? He is overall having the same old bizzarre behavior he had while gfcf. I thought this diet was the end all be all and I follow it to the T. At least I think I do, maybe I'm doing something wrong. Can anyone help me? I can't afford to pay for help from the moderators, as my (almost weekly) phone consults with the DAN are $90.00 for 15 mins. This is what my son eats regularly: Breakfast - scrambled eggs, cantaloupe, half of a homemade banana nut muffin and very diluted Dole pineapple juice Lunch - homemade chicken nuggets (pecanbread recipe) steamed broccoli with cauliflower, fresh fruit, and a whole cashew butter muffin. Sometimes carrot sticks too. Dinner - Homemade meatsauce (BTVC recipe) with homemade meatballs. Sometimes spaghetti squash with it. Fresh fruit, either banana, cantaloupe or watermelon. He'll have the other half of muffin for dessert. He's only eating 2 muffins a day, but he does eat a lot of fruit too. Could our salt be bad? I use Morton's Sea Salt, but it does have an anti caking agent called yellow prussiate of soda in it. Is this ingredient illegal? Is the fruit causing the yeast to flare up? I thought this diet would eliminate the need for anti fungals, but he continues to need to rotate sporanox, lamisil, and GSE. What can I do to help him? I feel like I'm busting my rump for nothing if he just continues to be the same. Thanks for any help that anyone might offer. I'm feelin'pretty low right now. ) Tammy --------------------------------- Summer's Family, SCD 08/04 http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/openblooms/ --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 Tammy, You said: <<He is overall having the same old bizzarre behavior he had while gfcf. >> Are you sure that all the behavior you're seeing is yeast related? If he had a leaky gut when on GFCF.... and you're seeing the same behaviors now, I'm just wondering if yeast is really the only culprit. You aren't using yogurt, I assume from the menu you listed below. So, are you giving acidophilus supplements? Or some other probiotic blend? When did you begin using raw fruits and veggies? You may need to take a step back to all cooked again for a while and see if that makes a difference. What other supplements is he taking right now? I assume you've double checked them all for illegals. I don't know about those prescription anti-fungals. I remember hearing someone report a rebound effect from using some of them... but I'll admit I have no experience. Maybe someone else can comment. Patti What am I doing wrong? My 6 year old son has been scd since 01/06 and has made some improvement but still seems to struggle with yeast. He is very hyper and doesn't know how to interact with others.Heplays inappropriately with them- throwing things and just disturbing them. Lately he scripts all day long. It drives me crazy! Movies, computer games, anything he's heard and memorized and I really am not happy about this. His stools look normal, no yeast rash on his bottom or backs of arms anymore, but a few pimples behind his knees and a few on his chest. Has his rash moved to these new places and is throwing me off? He is overall having the same old bizzarre behavior he had while gfcf. I thought this diet was the end all be all and I follow it to the T. At least I think I do, maybe I'm doing something wrong. Can anyone help me? I can't afford to pay for help from the moderators, as my (almost weekly) phone consults with the DAN are $90.00 for 15 mins. This is what my son eats regularly: Breakfast - scrambled eggs, cantaloupe, half of a homemade banana nut muffin and very diluted Dole pineapple juice Lunch - homemade chicken nuggets (pecanbread recipe) steamed broccoli with cauliflower, fresh fruit, and a whole cashew butter muffin. Sometimes carrot sticks too. Dinner - Homemade meatsauce (BTVC recipe) with homemade meatballs. Sometimes spaghetti squash with it. Fresh fruit, either banana, cantaloupe or watermelon. He'll have the other half of muffin for dessert. He's only eating 2 muffins a day, but he does eat a lot of fruit too. Could our salt be bad? I use Morton's Sea Salt, but it does have an anti caking agent called yellow prussiate of soda in it. Is this ingredient illegal? Is the fruit causing the yeast to flare up? I thought this diet would eliminate the need for anti fungals, but he continues to need to rotate sporanox, lamisil, and GSE. What can I do to help him? I feel like I'm busting my rump for nothing if he just continues to be the same. Thanks for any help that anyone might offer. I'm feelin'pretty low right now. ) Tammy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2006 Report Share Posted May 26, 2006 Oh My! You could be telling my story. Been through this allright and it sure is frustrating, but I got lots of great advice from this group after I posted a similiar story and we have turned the corner. Basically, it was suggested that I go back to the intro., and introduce new foods very slowly, focusing on vegetables and proteins, and going very easy on the fruit. We eliminated all nut products, the yogurt, and all baked goodies. He now eats at least one vegetable and a protein (meat or eggs) at each meal and gets about 1/3 of a banana as a treat or some homemade pearsauce. The yeast was getting out of hand and so was my son's behavior. Sounds like this could be what is happening in your case. We did all this and his poops have gotten normal again, rashes are gone, and he has calmed significantly (still very high energy, but not nearly as destructive and chaotic). Honestly, I never thought it possible, but we held our ground as he begged for his beloved peanut butter and yogurt, and balked at having his fruit cooked again, but it worked and he now readily eats each of the vegetables we have introduced and has grown to love some of the meat options. Go figure... Anyway, your story sounds very similiar. It seems Summer gave some great advice, similiar to what she gave us. Take heed, in my opinion, she really knows what she is talking about. molly > > My 6 year old son has been scd since 01/06 and has made some > improvement but still seems to struggle with yeast. He is very hyper > and doesn't know how to interact with others.Heplays inappropriately > with them- throwing things and just disturbing them. Lately he > scripts all day long. It drives me crazy! Movies, computer games, > anything he's heard and memorized and I really am not happy about > this. > > His stools look normal, no yeast rash on his bottom or backs of arms > anymore, but a few pimples behind his knees and a few on his chest. > Has his rash moved to these new places and is throwing me off? He is > overall having the same old bizzarre behavior he had while gfcf. I > thought this diet was the end all be all and I follow it to the T. At > least I think I do, maybe I'm doing something wrong. > > Can anyone help me? I can't afford to pay for help from the > moderators, as my (almost weekly) phone consults with the DAN are > $90.00 for 15 mins. > > This is what my son eats regularly: > > Breakfast - scrambled eggs, cantaloupe, half of a homemade banana nut > muffin and very diluted Dole pineapple juice > > Lunch - homemade chicken nuggets (pecanbread recipe) steamed broccoli > with cauliflower, fresh fruit, and a whole cashew butter muffin. > Sometimes carrot sticks too. > > Dinner - Homemade meatsauce (BTVC recipe) with homemade meatballs. > Sometimes spaghetti squash with it. Fresh fruit, either banana, > cantaloupe or watermelon. He'll have the other half of muffin for > dessert. > > He's only eating 2 muffins a day, but he does eat a lot of fruit too. > Could our salt be bad? I use Morton's Sea Salt, but it does have an > anti caking agent called yellow prussiate of soda in it. Is this > ingredient illegal? > > Is the fruit causing the yeast to flare up? I thought this diet would > eliminate the need for anti fungals, but he continues to need to > rotate sporanox, lamisil, and GSE. What can I do to help him? I feel > like I'm busting my rump for nothing if he just continues to be the > same. > > Thanks for any help that anyone might offer. I'm feelin'pretty low > right now. > > ) > Tammy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2006 Report Share Posted May 27, 2006 Dear Tammy, Antifungals may kill off the yeast, but after it's use it is known to cause the overgrowth of other bad gut guys. Sometimes just battling this battle with the SCDiet may work better for some of us. The goat yogurt is " casein " free in that the casein CAN NOT have the casopmorphine reaction with a 24 hour fermentation.....and with some they have found success using this. So unless you have other issues with goat diary, it may be the best choice for fighting this " war " with the bad gut guys. The SCD yogurt is unbelievable at helping to reestablish good gut flora and putting the gut back into balance. Coconut oils and coconut milk (recipe in Lucy's cook book), is also good in fighting yeast, thanks to it's anti-yeast qualities. Without the " bad gut guys " the yeast con not flourish or survive. IN other words yeast needs the bad guys....can not live alone in a healthy gut. And like others have suggested double check for those sneaky illegals. Juice has been a real pain in our b*** in this house! BEWARE. Hope this helps. Antoinette (2/06 Celiac and two kids on the spectrum and healing when no other way worked.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 27, 2006 Report Share Posted May 27, 2006 > > Dear Tammy, Antifungals may kill off the yeast, but after it's use it is known to cause the overgrowth of other bad gut guys. Sometimes just battling this battle with the SCDiet may work better for some of us. The goat yogurt is " casein " free in that the casein CAN NOT have the casopmorphine reaction with a 24 hour fermentation... Antoinette, Isn't the yogurt is lactose free but NOT casein free after the 24 hour fermentation? I believe casein cannot be denatured. Carol F. SCD 6 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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