Re: Re: Pecanbread= Out of the box thinking + Innvoation ...Thank God!!!

[Guest guest]

Becky, I hear you.

Pecanbread itself is an extention of SCD... there were many things BTVC did

not address for the ASD/GAPS population, and pecabread did.

For example, the intro diet wasn't Elaine's idea, but she wasn't totally

against it... she also didn't highly regard things like organic or range fed...

She took Dr. Haas' idea and expanded, but I don't think he suggested Sweet and

Low or came up with many of the recipes. She wasn't much concerned with MCS. She

grew up in adifferent time, there were many problems she couldn't consider,

because they didn't yet exsist.

I think it was Pecanbread that came up with nut yogurt... I believe Pecanbread

has and will continue to incorporared inovative thinking with regard to making

SCD work for even the most sensitive, intolerant, kids.

Pecanbread = Innovation/Customization + Out of the box thinking... no eggs, no

nuts, no dairy-- I've been on this list for almost nine months, and I've seen

Jody and others help even the toughest cases, to make SCD work.

Yes, Pecanbread is the originator in PROGRESSIVE, INNOVATION for SCD use...

No, Pecanbread is not the problem. Pecanbread is working to sort out the GAPS

info to make SCD more useful... Wev'e got good minds and

intentions...RECOVERY!!!

Just like SCD progression did not stop when Dr. Haas died; SCD progression did

not stop when Elaine died... and thank God for that. Let's keep progressing. I

believe they would have wanted us to take the foundation/groundwork they laid,

and keep going.

Agape,

i

Becky Grant-Widen wrote:

A profuse " Thank-You " Jeni Lynn, I was all ready to leave the list, but

your post made me change my mind. I agree with every word.

We all have different opinions on what is helpful and not helpful based

on our experiences with our own kids and what we hear from other

parents. Unless a parent on this list is making a suggestion to use

something that is SCD ILLEGAL, I think the bullying ought to stop. I

don't recall for example, digestive enzymes or chelation, being on the

ILLEGAL list, so what's with the contstant harassment of people who use

it. Likewise, SCD yogurt is not a REQUIREMENT of the diet last I

checked.

The drama is getting to be too much, and I am afraid there are several

of us who will hesitate to offer a different opinion to avoid the

bullying, then others will not benefit from hearing multiple opinions.

There seems to be a need for a separate list for those choosing strict

SCD as the ONLY intervention and those using strict SCD in ADDITION to

other interventions. Which list is Pecanbread? I'm not sure. In my mind,

this seems to be the only solution. I for one am tired of the domination

on the list all in Elaine's name. I've never met her, but saw her at the

Boston DAN conference. I would NEVER profess to know her intentions

other than what I've read in the book and have from my conference notes.

Becky

mom to Noah (6, HFA) and (3, NT)

SCD 2 months

>

> Antionette,

>

> " kikijabunce " wrote:

> >

> > AS for you , your tone is rude and bully and not very nice,

> > considering that I am only a mother trying to heal my sick

> > children.

>

> > I strongly suggest that you calm down please, and go get the book

> > written from Dr. Haas to see what you may be doing wrong. Since it

> > is clear that you do not trust Elaine, and her message.

>

> I find myself somewhat irritated at your response to . Quite

> often your posts smack of rudeness and bullying to those of us who

> incorporate other biomedical aspects into the healing process (which

> is probably most of us). We, too, are only mothers trying to heal our

> sick children.

>

> 's response to you was the first time that I have ever noted such

> a " tone " from her, and I am certain that it was done out of sheer

> frustration with you. You continue to dominate this board with your

> narrow-minded approach to ASD. If SCD were the ONLY way to recover

> than we wouldn't see children recovering through other means.

>

> We all believe in Elaine's message or we wouldn't be here, but she did

> not know all the facets of ASD (and she didn't pretend to know all the

> facets of ASD). There are other ways to supplement the healing

> process of SCD, and it is bothersome that you harrass people that

> choose these supplements.

>

> You claim to be Elaine's messanger and that you know Elaine's way

> because of her writings and speaking to those that spoke with her

> personally. Yet, we have seen here on this very board that people who

> spoke with Elaine disagree with you and even resent that you have

> exaggerated their conversations with you.

>

> It would be helpful for you to understand that the knowledge of ASD is

> evolving. We are learning more about it everyday, and new helpful

> treatments/supplements are being discovered. Elaine is now dead, but

> the research and discoveries for help will continue to be made. SCD

> is a big part of this dilemna, but it is not the COMPLETE answer for

> the majority of us. What is absolutely frustrating is that she knew

> this and readily acknowledged it to those that she personally spoke

> with, but you (who never personally spoke to her) deny this.

>

> I think she would resent you drawing these absolutes for her which she

> never intended to make. And I think she would not be pleased that you

> have self-proclaimed yourself to be her messanger when you do not

> thoroughly know her message.

>

> I imagine you think that you know everything about Elaine because of

> her writings. But her writings did not speak to individual cases.

> When you talk with those who spoke with her about their individual

> children (as did my close friend who is also no longer active on this

> list), Elaine would tell them things like, " Well, these children need

> so much help that sometimes you have to break a minor SCD principle in

> order for them to receive the benefit of another treatment they need. "

>

> In closing, I will say that I resent that you are now driving away

> people from this list serve that are so helpful and resourceful. My

> family and others that have already protested their exit, will suffer

> in their absence. And it is not right that we should be deprived of

> their insight and experience simply because you cannot control

> yourself.

>

> I agree that this list has taken a wrong turn here with all the

> drama. And I would appreciate if you could stop antagonizing list

> members here with your bullying so that we can all get back to

> learning and helping one another.

>

> Jeni Lynn

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Antoinette,

I'm not convinced he saw ASD kids at all (especially not the ones after the

the mid 70's, then again after the early 90's and since ... Vaccinations,

toxins, pesticides, PCBs, boxed foods with perservatives to be rehydrated ,

partially hydronated oils, etc... just wasn't in play then, to the same extent.

You are fortunate to have caught it so early with your little ones. Strict SCD

maybe all you need,...at least you have the option of adding later and using

complimentary treatments now, like sensory and cranial sacral, etc.

Agape,

kikijabunce wrote:

I hear you , but lets not forget that some autistic kids like

my KiKI and my son and many of Dr. Haas's sick kids; that would in

to days standards be classified as autistic; healed with little or

no intervention but diet. This could be good Hope for those that

don't have much money.

I agree that this may not be the case for some of us here. So

please, people don't twist this message. Other interventions are a

God send too. I'm just glad that my family is no longer repeating

history by experimenting with other diet plans that did not work for

us last year. What a set back and hold up on recovery, that could

have been ours sooner if I had been ready for SCD.

We are fortunate so far. Nock on wood and hope that we don't need

further intervention, but know that we have a home at Pecan Bread if

we do. And have used and implimented some of the ideas offered

here, that where not from BTVC. Thank you all for helping us and

supporting us on our journy with our " fanatical adherance " that

Elaine suggested. If this become the case I will have to get a

second job. We cna't afford much other than this SCD life style for

five. LOL! It alone is soooo expensive. But worth it, thank God.

Antoinette (2+ months entire family of five healing on SCD)

> > >

> > > AS for you , your tone is rude and bully and not very

nice,

> > > considering that I am only a mother trying to heal my sick

> > > children.

> >

> > > I strongly suggest that you calm down please, and go get the

book

> > > written from Dr. Haas to see what you may be doing wrong.

Since it

> > > is clear that you do not trust Elaine, and her message.

> >

> > I find myself somewhat irritated at your response to .

Quite

> > often your posts smack of rudeness and bullying to those of us

who

> > incorporate other biomedical aspects into the healing process

(which

> > is probably most of us). We, too, are only mothers trying to

heal our

> > sick children.

> >

> > 's response to you was the first time that I have ever

noted such

> > a " tone " from her, and I am certain that it was done out of sheer

> > frustration with you. You continue to dominate this board with

your

> > narrow-minded approach to ASD. If SCD were the ONLY way to

recover

> > than we wouldn't see children recovering through other means.

> >

> > We all believe in Elaine's message or we wouldn't be here, but

she did

> > not know all the facets of ASD (and she didn't pretend to know

all the

> > facets of ASD). There are other ways to supplement the healing

> > process of SCD, and it is bothersome that you harrass people that

> > choose these supplements.

> >

> > You claim to be Elaine's messanger and that you know Elaine's way

> > because of her writings and speaking to those that spoke with her

> > personally. Yet, we have seen here on this very board that

people who

> > spoke with Elaine disagree with you and even resent that you have

> > exaggerated their conversations with you.

> >

> > It would be helpful for you to understand that the knowledge of

ASD is

> > evolving. We are learning more about it everyday, and new

helpful

> > treatments/supplements are being discovered. Elaine is now

dead, but

> > the research and discoveries for help will continue to be made.

SCD

> > is a big part of this dilemna, but it is not the COMPLETE answer

for

> > the majority of us. What is absolutely frustrating is that she

knew

> > this and readily acknowledged it to those that she personally

spoke

> > with, but you (who never personally spoke to her) deny this.

> >

> > I think she would resent you drawing these absolutes for her

which she

> > never intended to make. And I think she would not be pleased

that you

> > have self-proclaimed yourself to be her messanger when you do not

> > thoroughly know her message.

> >

> > I imagine you think that you know everything about Elaine

because of

> > her writings. But her writings did not speak to individual

cases.

> > When you talk with those who spoke with her about their

individual

> > children (as did my close friend who is also no longer active on

this

> > list), Elaine would tell them things like, " Well, these children

need

> > so much help that sometimes you have to break a minor SCD

principle in

> > order for them to receive the benefit of another treatment they

need. "

> >

> > In closing, I will say that I resent that you are now driving

away

> > people from this list serve that are so helpful and

resourceful. My

> > family and others that have already protested their exit, will

suffer

> > in their absence. And it is not right that we should be

deprived of

> > their insight and experience simply because you cannot control

> > yourself.

> >

> > I agree that this list has taken a wrong turn here with all the

> > drama. And I would appreciate if you could stop antagonizing

list

> > members here with your bullying so that we can all get back to

> > learning and helping one another.

> >

> > Jeni Lynn

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

,

This is an interesting point that you make. The food that healed Judy, the

quality of it, the trace selenium and other nutrients in the diet, even omega

3's, this diet of conventional food is not the same diet of conventional food we

can procure these days. Let's step back into Dr. Haas time. The food was

different, its not what I can just go over to the grocery store and pick up

anymore!

What about the hormones and antiobiotic traces in sick, overworked bees in

argentine honey?

What about those pesticides that change formulation every few years because of

new proven carcinogens? Look at Round-up. For generations people go and buy that

familiar brand, but their ingredient formulation changes every 2 or so years

when FDA revokes ingredients in it do to carcinogen findings. But yet, who would

know this, we keep still going out and buying the brand name. It is not the same

product, has changed a zillion times. The herbicide, insecticide and pesticide

industry has worked hard to keep the laws where they are, they do not have to

list most of their ingredients! So who would know?

Our soils are way more depleted than 30-50 years ago even.

Our vaccination rates have soared! Even in the last 5 years!

The Industrial Revolution has caught up with us, this generation, in a way

like no other, childhood cancer is growing fast, autism and related disorders

are growing fast, it seems anymore everyone I know is allergic to

something...pollen, food, this or that, even people with no diagnosis or special

needs.

The food available to Elaine while healing her daughter and the food

recommended by Dr. Haas in those days, its not the same food. I can barely find

whole food that meets the criteria of SCD guidelines in grocery stores. I know

some people like you, , have to use mailorder, and I have gone out of my

way to pick up my food and have it raised to my specifications from surrounding

farms.

The quality of our food, the trace nutrients in our food, is not the same as

yesteryear. Our basic available whole foods have gone up in toxin content and

gone down in nutritional viability. Crops are chosen on larger size, not

nutritional density, like many old varieties of tomato, cucumber, squash and

apples have.

I think your point is interesting.

Summer

I'm not convinced he saw ASD kids at all (especially not the ones after the

the mid 70's, then again after the early 90's and since ... Vaccinations,

toxins, pesticides, PCBs, boxed foods with perservatives to be rehydrated ,

partially hydronated oils, etc... just wasn't in play then, to the same extent.

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Summer,

I want to come live with you :-) LOL

You live on a farm?... You raise and grow your own food?

You're the woman!!!

Agape,

Gertrude Snicklegrove wrote:

,

This is an interesting point that you make. The food that healed Judy, the

quality of it, the trace selenium and other nutrients in the diet, even omega

3's, this diet of conventional food is not the same diet of conventional food we

can procure these days. Let's step back into Dr. Haas time. The food was

different, its not what I can just go over to the grocery store and pick up

anymore!

What about the hormones and antiobiotic traces in sick, overworked bees in

argentine honey?

What about those pesticides that change formulation every few years because of

new proven carcinogens? Look at Round-up. For generations people go and buy that

familiar brand, but their ingredient formulation changes every 2 or so years

when FDA revokes ingredients in it do to carcinogen findings. But yet, who would

know this, we keep still going out and buying the brand name. It is not the same

product, has changed a zillion times. The herbicide, insecticide and pesticide

industry has worked hard to keep the laws where they are, they do not have to

list most of their ingredients! So who would know?

Our soils are way more depleted than 30-50 years ago even.

Our vaccination rates have soared! Even in the last 5 years!

The Industrial Revolution has caught up with us, this generation, in a way

like no other, childhood cancer is growing fast, autism and related disorders

are growing fast, it seems anymore everyone I know is allergic to

something...pollen, food, this or that, even people with no diagnosis or special

needs.

The food available to Elaine while healing her daughter and the food

recommended by Dr. Haas in those days, its not the same food. I can barely find

whole food that meets the criteria of SCD guidelines in grocery stores. I know

some people like you, , have to use mailorder, and I have gone out of my

way to pick up my food and have it raised to my specifications from surrounding

farms.

The quality of our food, the trace nutrients in our food, is not the same as

yesteryear. Our basic available whole foods have gone up in toxin content and

gone down in nutritional viability. Crops are chosen on larger size, not

nutritional density, like many old varieties of tomato, cucumber, squash and

apples have.

I think your point is interesting.

Summer

I'm not convinced he saw ASD kids at all (especially not the ones after the

the mid 70's, then again after the early 90's and since ... Vaccinations,

toxins, pesticides, PCBs, boxed foods with perservatives to be rehydrated ,

partially hydronated oils, etc... just wasn't in play then, to the same extent.

---------------------------------

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[Guest guest]

,

LOL

No, I do not live on a farm. I wish! I have farms around me though. My garden

is very tiny. I get a good crop of tomatoes each year, some peppers and squash

and fresh herbs, but that's about it. I am a farmer at heart who is imprisoned

in surburbia. But you can come live me anyway! heehee

Summer

davis wrote:

Thanks Summer,

I want to come live with you :-) LOL

You live on a farm?... You raise and grow your own food?

You're the woman!!!

Agape,

Gertrude Snicklegrove wrote:

,

This is an interesting point that you make. The food that healed Judy, the

quality of it, the trace selenium and other nutrients in the diet, even omega

3's, this diet of conventional food is not the same diet of conventional food we

can procure these days. Let's step back into Dr. Haas time. The food was

different, its not what I can just go over to the grocery store and pick up

anymore!

What about the hormones and antiobiotic traces in sick, overworked bees in

argentine honey?

What about those pesticides that change formulation every few years because of

new proven carcinogens? Look at Round-up. For generations people go and buy that

familiar brand, but their ingredient formulation changes every 2 or so years

when FDA revokes ingredients in it do to carcinogen findings. But yet, who would

know this, we keep still going out and buying the brand name. It is not the same

product, has changed a zillion times. The herbicide, insecticide and pesticide

industry has worked hard to keep the laws where they are, they do not have to

list most of their ingredients! So who would know?

Our soils are way more depleted than 30-50 years ago even.

Our vaccination rates have soared! Even in the last 5 years!

The Industrial Revolution has caught up with us, this generation, in a way

like no other, childhood cancer is growing fast, autism and related disorders

are growing fast, it seems anymore everyone I know is allergic to

something...pollen, food, this or that, even people with no diagnosis or special

needs.

The food available to Elaine while healing her daughter and the food

recommended by Dr. Haas in those days, its not the same food. I can barely find

whole food that meets the criteria of SCD guidelines in grocery stores. I know

some people like you, , have to use mailorder, and I have gone out of my

way to pick up my food and have it raised to my specifications from surrounding

farms.

The quality of our food, the trace nutrients in our food, is not the same as

yesteryear. Our basic available whole foods have gone up in toxin content and

gone down in nutritional viability. Crops are chosen on larger size, not

nutritional density, like many old varieties of tomato, cucumber, squash and

apples have.

I think your point is interesting.

Summer

I'm not convinced he saw ASD kids at all (especially not the ones after the

the mid 70's, then again after the early 90's and since ... Vaccinations,

toxins, pesticides, PCBs, boxed foods with perservatives to be rehydrated ,

partially hydronated oils, etc... just wasn't in play then, to the same extent.

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[Guest guest]

Summer,

I'm still impressed.

Well, maybe a visit anyway:-)... Where are you anyway? I'm in Lubbock Tx.

Agape,

Gertrude Snicklegrove wrote:

,

LOL

No, I do not live on a farm. I wish! I have farms around me though. My garden

is very tiny. I get a good crop of tomatoes each year, some peppers and squash

and fresh herbs, but that's about it. I am a farmer at heart who is imprisoned

in surburbia. But you can come live me anyway! heehee

Summer

davis wrote:

Thanks Summer,

I want to come live with you :-) LOL

You live on a farm?... You raise and grow your own food?

You're the woman!!!

Agape,

Gertrude Snicklegrove wrote:

,

This is an interesting point that you make. The food that healed Judy, the

quality of it, the trace selenium and other nutrients in the diet, even omega

3's, this diet of conventional food is not the same diet of conventional food we

can procure these days. Let's step back into Dr. Haas time. The food was

different, its not what I can just go over to the grocery store and pick up

anymore!

What about the hormones and antiobiotic traces in sick, overworked bees in

argentine honey?

What about those pesticides that change formulation every few years because of

new proven carcinogens? Look at Round-up. For generations people go and buy that

familiar brand, but their ingredient formulation changes every 2 or so years

when FDA revokes ingredients in it do to carcinogen findings. But yet, who would

know this, we keep still going out and buying the brand name. It is not the same

product, has changed a zillion times. The herbicide, insecticide and pesticide

industry has worked hard to keep the laws where they are, they do not have to

list most of their ingredients! So who would know?

Our soils are way more depleted than 30-50 years ago even.

Our vaccination rates have soared! Even in the last 5 years!

The Industrial Revolution has caught up with us, this generation, in a way

like no other, childhood cancer is growing fast, autism and related disorders

are growing fast, it seems anymore everyone I know is allergic to

something...pollen, food, this or that, even people with no diagnosis or special

needs.

The food available to Elaine while healing her daughter and the food

recommended by Dr. Haas in those days, its not the same food. I can barely find

whole food that meets the criteria of SCD guidelines in grocery stores. I know

some people like you, , have to use mailorder, and I have gone out of my

way to pick up my food and have it raised to my specifications from surrounding

farms.

The quality of our food, the trace nutrients in our food, is not the same as

yesteryear. Our basic available whole foods have gone up in toxin content and

gone down in nutritional viability. Crops are chosen on larger size, not

nutritional density, like many old varieties of tomato, cucumber, squash and

apples have.

I think your point is interesting.

Summer

I'm not convinced he saw ASD kids at all (especially not the ones after the

the mid 70's, then again after the early 90's and since ... Vaccinations,

toxins, pesticides, PCBs, boxed foods with perservatives to be rehydrated ,

partially hydronated oils, etc... just wasn't in play then, to the same extent.

---------------------------------

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