Re: Gwen -- PMS and salicylates

[Guest guest]

Hi Gwen,

About PMS...From the time I started menstruating til age 32 or so I had

three days of moderate PMS every cycle. When my digestive system really

went whacko (with exactly the kinds of things SCD cures) at age 32 (wish a

doctor had told me about SCD right then!!!), my PMS quickly expanded into 10

days of severe PMS per month. This went on for several months.

Ok, then I went to an alternative doc who used an energy medicine

instrument called a Dermatron to test me for food allergies and

intolerances. After testing a bunch of foods she said, " You're a

salicylate! " " What the heck is that? " I asked. She explained salicylate

intolerance to me and gave me a list of high salicylate foods to eliminate

from my diet, if I wanted to.

Well, I was desperate to feel better and besides, I'd been telling docs for

years that I thought I had some serious biochemical problem that made me

feel lousy and depressed. I hadn't told this doc this, but she had just

told me I had serious biochemical problem that made me feel lousy and

depressed. I decided she was worth listening to.

So I went home and cleaned out the frig and the cupboards and gave away a

whole bunch of high-salicylate foods. I had been addicted to the stuff.

Now, the period before I saw this doc, I had ten days of severe PMS just

like I had had for several months. I went to the doc and dropped the high

salicylate foods out of my diet. The next period I had NO PMS WHATSOEVER.

I was so used to having a " warning " from PMS symptoms that I wasn't in the

habit of looking at the calendar to see when my period was due -- and this

month it took me completely by surprise because I had NO PMS WHATSOEVER.

And I continued to have no PMS whatsoever, as long as I kept the high

salicylate foods out of my diet. Over the years I got a little sloppier

with my diet at times and sometimes indulged in salicylates. Well, my level

of PMS each month precisely reflected my level of salicylates. High sals,

lots/long PMS. Medium sals, medium/medium long PMS. Low sals, what PMS?

Why? Well, I think the liver detox pathways have to detox female hormones,

too. Maybe salicylates and hormones compete for detox? Maybe a lower

salicylate diet makes it easier for the liver to balance the female hormones

out properly, so less PMS? Who knows, I don't, I just know ten days of

hellish PMS per month turned into NO PMS WHATSOEVER when I went low-sal.

That's my PMS story and I hope it was entertaining if not inspiring.

Kayla

P.S. Geez, I feel like I've been talking alot about salicylates on this

list. I never meant to harp on this topic. I just meant to pass on some

things about salicylates that I've learned (much the hard way). You can

reduce your salicylate issues by cutting out certain foods, peeling other

foods, using No Fenol enzymes, boosting the liver detox pathways,

eliminating personal care products that contain salicylates (which are

readily absorbed through the skin); or you can wait patiently for SCD to

improve your salicylate tolerance; or you can choose to do none of the

above! There are all sorts of options and the choice is 100% yours!

[Guest guest]

Kayla,

Oh my gosh - THANK YOU FOR SHARING THIS! I can't believe that I never heard of

salicylate foods being related to PMS!!!

You could write a book and the women of this world would THANK YOU!

Carolyn

> Now, the period before I saw this doc, I had ten days of severe PMS just

> like I had had for several months. I went to the doc and dropped the high

> salicylate foods out of my diet. The next period I had NO PMS WHATSOEVER.

> I was so used to having a " warning " from PMS symptoms that I wasn't in the

> habit of looking at the calendar to see when my period was due -- and this

> month it took me completely by surprise because I had NO PMS WHATSOEVER.

> And I continued to have no PMS whatsoever, as long as I kept the high

> salicylate foods out of my diet. Over the years I got a little sloppier

> with my diet at times and sometimes indulged in salicylates. Well, my level

> of PMS each month precisely reflected my level of salicylates. High sals,

> lots/long PMS. Medium sals, medium/medium long PMS. Low sals, what PMS?

[Guest guest]

Never tried No Fenol (Houston) or Kirkman's phenol-digesting enzymes myself

or with my daughter. Got some in the cupboard, might try them sometime.

I was lucky, diet changes made life so much better so fast that I thought

the sacrifices were worth it. Made me adaptable when it comes to diet

changes! Not self-disciplined, mind you, but adaptable!

Kayla

[Guest guest]

Hi Carolyn,

I used to go around looking curiously in articles and books about PMS to

see if anybody else talked about salicylates and PMS. I've never seen it

anywhere! Well, spread the word as far as you want. As a matter of fact,

copy and paste my PMS story anywhere you want, just leave out my name and

email address -- I'm sure there are whole internet forums on PMS -- But I

don't have time to get on them and tell my PMS-cure story!

Kayla

[Guest guest]

Hi Kayla,

I just looked at the high salicylate food list and was dismayed. The low sal

foods are ones that often cause digestive problems for me. The high sals do

look like our diet so that could explain the pms. I think I have to go another

route. I am going to try enzymes for this just to check out the results. My

midwife has heard of sals causing pms.

Gwen

Wildman wrote:

Hi Carolyn,

I used to go around looking curiously in articles and books about PMS to

see if anybody else talked about salicylates and PMS. I've never seen it

anywhere! Well, spread the word as far as you want. As a matter of fact,

copy and paste my PMS story anywhere you want, just leave out my name and

email address -- I'm sure there are whole internet forums on PMS -- But I

don't have time to get on them and tell my PMS-cure story!

Kayla

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com

[Guest guest]

I think there's a good chance the enzymes will work well for you.

Unburdening the liver detox pathways by going " nontoxic " and " non-herbal "

and " non-salicylate " in personal care and household cleaning products might

also help some. Rose Cosmetics are sal-free, on the web, if you need

cosmetics & personal care stuff...)

Kayla

>

[Guest guest]

Kayla and others,

do you all have any experience and/or luck using natural enzymes from whole

foods...like fermented veggies? The woman who will help me prepare meals is a

nutritionist and likes to use fermented veggies. She also soaks her nuts and

other things along those lines. I'm wondering if I can replace my enzymes with

food which is preferable to me. I will try the No Phenol as a test. I'm

wondering also how much affect the cosmetics with sals would have on my pms? I

just bought some new lotion/cleansers for my face (formulated in Colorado for

our climate). My skin looks awesome but they are completely herbal. Do you

know the answer to the question?

I feel like I'm getting somewhere with all this information . There is so much

to learn. All the information so far points to my liver being overtaxed. I'm

also wondering about B12 deficiency. would this show up on a blood test?

Thanks

gwen

luca-3

SCD 5 weeks, second time around, digestive issues and low growth rate.

Wildman wrote:

I think there's a good chance the enzymes will work well for you.

Unburdening the liver detox pathways by going " nontoxic " and " non-herbal "

and " non-salicylate " in personal care and household cleaning products might

also help some. Rose Cosmetics are sal-free, on the web, if you need

cosmetics & personal care stuff...)

Kayla

>

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com

[Guest guest]

>

> Kayla and others,

>

> do you all have any experience and/or luck using natural enzymes from whole

foods...like fermented veggies? The woman who will help me prepare meals is a

nutritionist and likes to use fermented veggies. She also soaks her nuts and

other things

along those lines.

Gwen,

Elaine did not want us to soak nuts. Mimi has the proper information about

fermenting

vegetables for SCD.

Try doing a search. I will also copy her on this.

Carol F.

[Guest guest]

>

> Kayla and others,

>

> do you all have any experience and/or luck using natural enzymes from whole

foods...like fermented veggies? The woman who will help me prepare meals is a

nutritionist and likes to use fermented veggies. She also soaks her nuts and

other things

along those lines.

Gwen,

Elaine did not want us to soak nuts. Mimi has the proper information about

fermenting

vegetables for SCD.

Try doing a search. I will also copy her on this.

Carol F.

[Guest guest]

Gwen,

I think that you might be interested in joining Healing Crow (another

Yahoo! List). Seth knows a lot about fermenting vegetables for SCD.

It is different than the NT method, I believe.

I'd join his list and get the information on the proper SCD method.

Otherwise, you might undermine your SCD efforts with cultured veggies

that are not SCD legal.

Jody

mom to -7 and -9

SCD 1/03

[Guest guest]

Gwen,

I think that you might be interested in joining Healing Crow (another

Yahoo! List). Seth knows a lot about fermenting vegetables for SCD.

It is different than the NT method, I believe.

I'd join his list and get the information on the proper SCD method.

Otherwise, you might undermine your SCD efforts with cultured veggies

that are not SCD legal.

Jody

mom to -7 and -9

SCD 1/03

[Guest guest]

Hi Gwen,

Fermented foods are the traditional human probiotic and enzyme supplement.

Many if not most traditional diets include fermented food eaten daily or

even at each meal. You could do a trial of fermented foods and a trial of

enzyme supps and compare...same thing with cosmetics and salicylates -- a

trial both ways.

Sorry, I don't know about testing for B12 deficiency.

Kayla

[Guest guest]

Hi Gwen,

Fermented foods are the traditional human probiotic and enzyme supplement.

Many if not most traditional diets include fermented food eaten daily or

even at each meal. You could do a trial of fermented foods and a trial of

enzyme supps and compare...same thing with cosmetics and salicylates -- a

trial both ways.

Sorry, I don't know about testing for B12 deficiency.

Kayla

[Guest guest]

> Elaine did not want us to soak nuts.

Hi Carol,

Can you explain why Elaine didn't want us to soak nuts? Or tell me where

to find this info on website or in BTVC? Without soaking, nuts give me a

bellyache but with soaking I can eat a modest serving without a bellyache.

So it seems to do something helpful for me.

Thanks!

Kayla

[Guest guest]

>

> > Elaine did not want us to soak nuts.

>

> Hi Carol,

> Can you explain why Elaine didn't want us to soak nuts? Or tell me where

> to find this info on website or in BTVC? Without soaking, nuts give me a

> bellyache but with soaking I can eat a modest serving without a bellyache.

> So it seems to do something helpful for me.

> Thanks!

> Kayla

>

Soaking fosters growth of molds and bacteria.

Carol F.