Re: Dr. Houston/protease

May 2, 2006

>>>>He suggested that if it is causing burning and pain that we do

not use the protease for now.

Yes, this is what is outlined in the Great Low-n-Slow Method. Don't

do lots of proteases right off.

>>>> He also said that we may not want to mess with the enzymes if

you are on a strict SCDiet.

That is always an option....there are many alternative ways to do

something. That is one. Since HNI is a supplement vendor, the company

is really in a position to comment on their own products...not other

company's products. If they feel their own products are not needed or

would be helpful, that's fine.

>>>>That some take enzymes just to aid digestion, that we may want to

try them later after we heal, since all of his have protease in them.

I don't believe No-Fenol (HNI product) has proteases in it. It is not

on the label.

A list of enzymes without proteases or very teen tiny amounts which

can be used for overall food digestion is given below my signature.

>>> Very interesting in light of the LISTS discussion about protease

safety.

I don't see this as a contradiction. It continues to support the 'low-

n-slow' approach and that of SCD (intro first, yogurt later started

in gradual amounts).

>>>Moral of story: Elaine was right again. If you have erosive

colitis or advanced celiac disease, protease may not be your

digestive enzyme of choice.

As I said before, I had some very good conversations over the years

with Elaine on the topic of enzymes. She was definitely not against

enzymes, or proteases, from my experience. If you have had personal

contact with her that pointed otherwise, please let me know. However,

I am rather uncomfortable discussing what Elaine said and meant, and

using her name, when she is not around any more to comment personally.

And yes, proteases may not be what you want to do initially...or even

at all. This is outlined in the Low-n-Slow and SCD starter programs.

I don't see a disagreement here.

It's also okay to just not want to do something without having an

iron-clad reason why it is harmful. I don't do many supplements or

programs others do, but it doesn't mean there is something really

aweful or harmful about them.

Best wishes to you and Kiki...and fast gut healing.

.

=============================

Enzyme products you could use for general food digestion

without proteases, here are some with the manufacturer given in

parenthesis:

1. AcidSoothe (Enzymedica) - no proteases, soothes injust guts or

acid stomach, does contain some herbs so check if the herbs are

suitable for you (I'm pretty sure the the herbs are not okay on SCD).

Contains papaya leaf which I understand is used as an herb here and

not as protease extract. Link:

http://www.enzymedica.com/gastroesophageal_reflux.php

2. Candex (Pure Essence, US version without proteases) - I realize

this is marketed for yeast but it can work as a broad-spectrum

product (however probably not that robust a one, which you may want

in the beginning)Link at iherb:

http://www.papanature.com/store/ProductDetails.aspx?c=Herbs & pid=PUR-

00902

3. GastricEase (Wellzymes, Enzymes Inc) - this has herbs and a teeny

tiny miniscule amount of proteases. Link: http://www.buyenzymes.com/t-

wzgastricease.aspx

4. Carb Digest (Kirkman) - Link:

http://www.kirkmanlabs.com/products/enzymes/enzym_dppiv/CarbDigest_Iso

gest.html

5. Phenol Assist (Kirkman) - marketed for phenols, but contains a

variety of enzymes that may work for broad-spectrum on foods

including amylases. Link:

http://www.kirkmanlabs.com/products/enzymes/phenol/phenol_bp835.html

NOTE: Pancreatin and pancreatic enzymes do contain a set ratio of

proteases.

NOTE 2: Although Lacto (Enzymedica) has a very very low amount of

proteases (relative to the million units most products have), this

one has worked exceedingly well for sensitive guts.

Please let me know what you end up trying and how it works out.

May 2, 2006

Thanks for the work and info. Please, let us know what enzymes he recommends

for you.

Blessings,

Breney - Mom - Celiac - SCD 9months

- 12 yr Son - ASD/Asperger SCD 9 months

Bunce wrote:

Dear Jody, and to all it may concern,

I just had a very informative conversation with Dr. Houston.

Told him about our celiac status and how we are healing from damaged intestines.

He suggested that if it is causing burning and pain that we do not use the

protease for now. Since biopsy report showed that we had erosion/open

ulcerations and flattening of or vili (lining of the intestines).

He also said that we may not want to mess with the enzymes if you are on a

strict SCDiet. That once the gut heals we may not need them. That some take

enzymes just to aid digestion, that we may want to try them later after we heal,

since all of his have protease in them.

This is very concerning since Elaine thought many autistic kids like our kiki

had undiagnosed damaged intestines. How many have slipped through the cracks

not diagnosed and confirmed as having damage...like Elaine says in her book

about autism.......and these protease enzymes are causing them distress too????

Dr. Houston is trying to find us enzymes that are just Lipase and just Lactase

for us. He was so nice to talk to and very informative.

Very interesting in light of the LISTS discussion about protease safety. Moral

of story: Elaine was right again. If you have erosive colitis or advanced

celiac disease, protease may not be your digestive enzyme of choice.

Sincerely Antoinette

Protease the enzyme deriding the dead tissue around the wounds.

Transglutaminase

Zime Prime

a.. Visit your group " pecanbread<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pecanbread> "

on the web.

b..

May 2, 2006

thats very useful information thanx.

devin is perhaps constrained by what he can say or recommend by

liability considerations and would tend to take a more conservative

line than optimal recovery would dictate

you might like to consider wether perhaps your experience and problem

solving in this area is below par and that rather than pushing a

viewpoint, be more cautious in view of your own health not being very

good and your own misjudgements about health over the years

i do find the way you are using elaine gottschalls name a bit

offensive, the limited contact i had with her on message boards has

left an impression that makes too casual a flinging about of her name

feel not right.

if your health's bad then you have been making mistakes and its

simple realism to be honest about that and not push the barrow too

much, you do post interesting info, it would just be easier going to

read without the emotional hype.

>

> Dear Jody, and to all it may concern,

>

> I just had a very informative conversation with Dr. Houston.

>

> Told him about our celiac status and how we are healing from

damaged intestines. He suggested that if it is causing burning and

pain that we do not use the protease for now. Since biopsy report

showed that we had erosion/open ulcerations and flattening of or vili

(lining of the intestines).

>

> He also said that we may not want to mess with the enzymes if you

are on a strict SCDiet. That once the gut heals we may not need

them. That some take enzymes just to aid digestion, that we may want

to try them later after we heal, since all of his have protease in

them.

>

> This is very concerning since Elaine thought many autistic kids

like our kiki had undiagnosed damaged intestines. How many have

slipped through the cracks not diagnosed and confirmed as having

damage...like Elaine says in her book about autism.......and these

protease enzymes are causing them distress too????

>

> Dr. Houston is trying to find us enzymes that are just Lipase and

just Lactase for us. He was so nice to talk to and very informative.

>

> Very interesting in light of the LISTS discussion about protease

safety. Moral of story: Elaine was right again. If you have

erosive colitis or advanced celiac disease, protease may not be your

digestive enzyme of choice.

>

> Sincerely Antoinette

>

> Protease the enzyme deriding the dead tissue around the wounds.

>

> Transglutaminase

>

> Zime Prime

>

> a.. Visit your

group " pecanbread<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pecanbread> " on the

web.

>

> b..

May 3, 2006

I think you may have misunderstood my conversation with you.

My information was for your particular case, and does not necessarily

apply to others.

It is NOT true that there are proteases in ALL of my products, the

No-Fenol has NO protease activity. However, proteases can be of

benefit in many cases, never paint a broad brush and apply advice

given to an individual to a whole population.

Your particular case was unique and NOT representative of what most

kids with autism are going through. You are on an almost elemental

diet, therefore, I felt enzymes would be of little use FOR YOU. You

were adamant that proteases were " burning " your intestines, even

though I feel that proteases help with inflammation. So, in your

case, I suggested staying away from protease-containing products.

While message boards do a great service, they also can do a

dis-service when information is not conveyed correctly. Anyone who

has a question may ask me PERSONALLY, this is the best way to avoid

confusion.

>

> Dear Jody, and to all it may concern,

>

> I just had a very informative conversation with Dr. Houston.

>

> Told him about our celiac status and how we are healing from damaged

intestines. He suggested that if it is causing burning and pain that

we do not use the protease for now. Since biopsy report showed that

we had erosion/open ulcerations and flattening of or vili (lining of

the intestines).

>

> He also said that we may not want to mess with the enzymes if you

are on a strict SCDiet. That once the gut heals we may not need them.

That some take enzymes just to aid digestion, that we may want to try

them later after we heal, since all of his have protease in them.

>

> This is very concerning since Elaine thought many autistic kids like

our kiki had undiagnosed damaged intestines. How many have slipped

through the cracks not diagnosed and confirmed as having damage...like

Elaine says in her book about autism.......and these protease enzymes

are causing them distress too????

>

> Dr. Houston is trying to find us enzymes that are just Lipase and

just Lactase for us. He was so nice to talk to and very informative.

>

> Very interesting in light of the LISTS discussion about protease

safety. Moral of story: Elaine was right again. If you have erosive

colitis or advanced celiac disease, protease may not be your digestive

enzyme of choice.

>

> Sincerely Antoinette

>

> Protease the enzyme deriding the dead tissue around the wounds.

>

> Transglutaminase

>

> Zime Prime

>

> a.. Visit your group

" pecanbread<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pecanbread> " on the web.

>

> b..

May 3, 2006

Thank you Mr. Houston for clarifying. I hope your comments about

painting a broad brush were listened to. We all have individual cases

and experiences, one person's experience can hardly be the

recommendation for all. I've got two kids, one can use the enzymes quite

well, the other seems to have issues that I'm still trying to work out.

Our experiences and results can only apply to US.

Thanks-

Becky

mom to Noah (6, HFA) and (3, NT)

SCD 8 weeks

>

> I think you may have misunderstood my conversation with you.

>

> My information was for your particular case, and does not necessarily

> apply to others.

>

> It is NOT true that there are proteases in ALL of my products, the

> No-Fenol has NO protease activity. However, proteases can be of

> benefit in many cases, never paint a broad brush and apply advice

> given to an individual to a whole population.

>

> Your particular case was unique and NOT representative of what most

> kids with autism are going through. You are on an almost elemental

> diet, therefore, I felt enzymes would be of little use FOR YOU. You

> were adamant that proteases were " burning " your intestines, even

> though I feel that proteases help with inflammation. So, in your

> case, I suggested staying away from protease-containing products.

>

> While message boards do a great service, they also can do a

> dis-service when information is not conveyed correctly. Anyone who

> has a question may ask me PERSONALLY, this is the best way to avoid

> confusion.

>

> >

> > Dear Jody, and to all it may concern,

> >

> > I just had a very informative conversation with Dr. Houston.

> >

> > Told him about our celiac status and how we are healing from damaged

> intestines. He suggested that if it is causing burning and pain that

> we do not use the protease for now. Since biopsy report showed that

> we had erosion/open ulcerations and flattening of or vili (lining of

> the intestines).

> >

> > He also said that we may not want to mess with the enzymes if you

> are on a strict SCDiet. That once the gut heals we may not need them.

> That some take enzymes just to aid digestion, that we may want to try

> them later after we heal, since all of his have protease in them.

> >

> > This is very concerning since Elaine thought many autistic kids like

> our kiki had undiagnosed damaged intestines. How many have slipped

> through the cracks not diagnosed and confirmed as having damage...like

> Elaine says in her book about autism.......and these protease enzymes

> are causing them distress too????

> >

> > Dr. Houston is trying to find us enzymes that are just Lipase and

> just Lactase for us. He was so nice to talk to and very informative.

> >

> > Very interesting in light of the LISTS discussion about protease

> safety. Moral of story: Elaine was right again. If you have erosive

> colitis or advanced celiac disease, protease may not be your digestive

> enzyme of choice.

> >

> > Sincerely Antoinette

> >

> > Protease the enzyme deriding the dead tissue around the wounds.

> >

> > Transglutaminase

> >

> > Zime Prime

> >

> > a.. Visit your group

> " pecanbread<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pecanbread> " on the web.

> >

> > b..

May 3, 2006

He was not all that helpful. He told my to use " lactaid " for my breast feeding

daughter...which has starch in it.

The link he sent for lipase...but I am not sure it is SCD safe:

http://www.ritecare.com/prodsheets/TYL-111004.html<http://www.ritecare.com/prods\

heets/TYL-111004.html>. Remember with a strict SCDiet ....in rather a short

amount of time the intestines heal in you do not need enzymes. That is if you

know that your pancreatic functions are normal, and that you are digesting your

fats well.

We are two months plus out and I doubt I will even buy this, even if it is SCD

safe. We are going to personally save our money and buy all those SCD safe

foods that will heal our guts so they can do the job God intended naturally.

I truly trust what Elaine knew, and what Dr. S.V.Haas taught her. Too many

testimonies to all be lies.

Just do it the way the book tells you to. Eat the goat yogurt freely...it will

heal the gut faster than anything...it truly is the " magic bullet " in killing

off the bad guys thus stopping the vicious cycle. If you fear the

casein...don't Elaine made sure that the 24 hour yogurt rendered the casein all

of it harmless.

Celiac Disease and ASD are not separate diagnosis according to S.V.Haas. In his

book " Treatment for Celiac Disease " , he describes and autistic child

perfectly...back then they didn't know it was autism though. He was

celiac...and had malabsorption. This was before the the medical community

started thinking that celiac was " just " gluten related.

If you have celiac in your family, just save your time and energy getting it

confirmed and just heal your family!

Sincerely, Antoinette

Re: Dr. Houston/protease

Thanks for the work and info. Please, let us know what enzymes he recommends

for you.

Blessings,

Breney - Mom - Celiac - SCD 9months

- 12 yr Son - ASD/Asperger SCD 9 months

Bunce > wrote:

Dear Jody, and to all it may concern,

I just had a very informative conversation with Dr. Houston.

Told him about our celiac status and how we are healing from damaged

intestines. He suggested that if it is causing burning and pain that we do not

use the protease for now. Since biopsy report showed that we had erosion/open

ulcerations and flattening of or vili (lining of the intestines).

He also said that we may not want to mess with the enzymes if you are on a

strict SCDiet. That once the gut heals we may not need them. That some take

enzymes just to aid digestion, that we may want to try them later after we heal,

since all of his have protease in them.

This is very concerning since Elaine thought many autistic kids like our kiki

had undiagnosed damaged intestines. How many have slipped through the cracks

not diagnosed and confirmed as having damage...like Elaine says in her book

about autism.......and these protease enzymes are causing them distress too????

Dr. Houston is trying to find us enzymes that are just Lipase and just Lactase

for us. He was so nice to talk to and very informative.

Very interesting in light of the LISTS discussion about protease safety.

Moral of story: Elaine was right again. If you have erosive colitis or

advanced celiac disease, protease may not be your digestive enzyme of choice.

Sincerely Antoinette

Protease the enzyme deriding the dead tissue around the wounds.

Transglutaminase

Zime Prime

a.. Visit your group

" pecanbread<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pecanbread<http://groups.yahoo.com/gro\

up/pecanbread>> " on the web.

b..

May 5, 2006

Antoinette,

If not using protease works for you, great!!! But protease and other enzymes

do work for others. This is the info we need to know so that we can make

informed decisions. Elaine took the diet that Dr. Haas developed and tweaked

(customized) it for her time and circumstances... pecanbread and Dr.

-McBride have tweaked (customized) it for gut, ASD and other

psychological syndromes.

For example- most of us would not use saccharin... many of us use organic

foods... many of us have chemical sensitivities... many of us don't use the OJ

and grape juice, that was apparently ok to use at one time, many of us can't eat

the cheese (regarless of how strictly we adhere)...we as individuals that are

responsible for others must seek much and good info, to customize according to

our needs.

Take care of yourself, by reading and praying, and resting in the knowledge

that you are doing what's right for your family. ...and the peace of God,

which surpasses all understanding, will guard your heart and mind through Christ

who strenghthen you

Agape,

Breney Kurylo wrote: