Re: trapped by diet

[Guest guest]

Just make sure the banana is ripe.

Keep a food log. That will help you keep track of what she tolerates

and what she doesn't.

Jody

mom to -7 and -9

SCD 1/03

[Guest guest]

>

> Just make sure the banana is ripe.

>

> Keep a food log. That will help you keep track of what she tolerates

> and what she doesn't.

>

>

> Jody

> mom to -7 and -9

> SCD 1/03

>

Thanks for your input. I do use ripe bananas. I keep track of what

she eats, but how is one to know what she can tolerate when she keeps

having D?

A couple of weeks ago, before I found the book she was on a normal

diet and was having D so it appears not to have made a difference.

I'm sticking to it because she said her body feels clean. That was

when I hadn't finished the book and had jumped into the regular

SCdiet. I felt stupid for having rushed into it, however, it was a

good transition in a way, emotionally, for her. She was fine with

it, enjoying the baked goods and pancakes. Then I finished the book

and realized I hadn't seen the intro diet! The odd thing is that she

had a partially formed bm when on the regular scdiet and now is

having nothing but D. I guess we'll see.

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry to hear that your daughter still is haveing loose stools.

The intro period is a difficult transitition as many here can

attest.

Do you know if your daughter is sensitive to dairy? Are you still

giving DCCC? Even a spoonfull of yogurt with medications is a very

powerful amount of probiotic that will cause die off and loose stools

this early. Our Ella was very sensitive to legal dairy products as

they still have a tiny bit of lactose in them (1%).

Are you giving any broiled beef? Our daughter loves a good ol 15%

fat+ organic hamburger patti. " Fat is Flavor " With a little

Redmond Sea Salt she wolfs it down. Its very good at firming stools

with great Vitamin B's. Chicken thighs are also very tender and

with salt are delicious and easy to eat. Another is delicious snack

for ELLa is Italian procuitto from PARMA from Costco. It is salty and

flavorfull. She loves this " bacon " and is easy for a snack.

Finally, tenderloin is a favorite for her.

Elaine mentions that sometimes kids are even very sensitive to even

simple sugar. I believe this to be the case with our kids. I know

of another kid that this was the case with. They went heavy on the

meats, eggs, soup and gradually added in the rest as their daughter

was able to tolerate more over time. Elaine also mentions that meat

and fat are easy to digest. Ella loves her Tenderloin as well which

we BBQ 1/2 way then add to the microwave and pull it out of the

fridge for a quick protein fix.

You can bump up the meats until the stools form and then you can

start to find the right mix of meats and pureed foods like the

carrots, applesauce, pearsauce, green beans. We'd give 2-3

tablespoons of one of these (cept green beans which was given much

later) and then the rest soup/meats/eggs. We have made the mistake

of giving bananas that are not as ripe as they need to be. Are your

bananas with spots on them and no green tips? Ella would not

tolerate these late in the day even as they have a lot of simple

sugar in them after they are ripened.

As Dr. Gee said " We must never forget that what the patient

takes beyond his ability to digest does harm. " Our families,

dieticians, doctors, all want " well balanced diets " and yet our

girls can't tolerate them YET. But they will! I have seen it with

my own eyes. There is a growing tolerance to all the pureed foods,

fruits, veggies, yogurt with ELLA.

Its sounds like you have a picky eater like my son who is 6. Ella

was difficult to at times and still is. This is tough busines no

doubt about it. There was little understanding around us from

family, friends and neighbors. You feel isolated and wonder if this

will work. It does! Ella's bloodwork, anemia, CRP is all back to

normal!

We started giving " suprises " if she would eat her soup. Dollar store

items are great and cheap. There are some good ideas for picky

eaters here within pecanbread as well.

Our hearts, minds and prayers go out to you. We wish you healing and

guidance.

Brent McKinney Father of ELLA 4yrs old Crohns, SCD 5mon.

>

> Good Morning,

>

> My poor daughter (age 7, Crohns/UC) is " feeling trapped by this

diet " !

> She's just been in bed crying about it. I had been so thrilled that

> she's been feeling better, but she's still not having formed bm's.

> Realizing that I had started too quickly, I reverted to the intro

diet

> for the last 2 days. She's also been having some homemade yougurt

to

> take her meds. She's still having D several times a day. She even

> woke up at 1:30 am to go.

> She' so miserable about the restrictions that I need to add

something

> today. I can't do the intro another day and the book says 2-5

anyway.

> I'm thinking banana would be the thing to add. She loved the

banana

> pancakes when I made them previously (the ones with just banana and

> egg). Any advice is appreciated. I'm feeling so desperate for

physical

> results! She'd be happy not to be in the bathroom for so long.

> (Although she does get a lot of reading done!)

>

> Hoping and praying for wisdom and healing.

> Have a good day.

>

[Guest guest]

The yeast, etc. dying off can cause D. anyway.

So, sometimes it's difficult to know.

But if she says that she feels better, I would keep going. Add

bananas today. See how it goes.

Have you started giving her yogurt or probiotics yet?

Jody

mom to -7 and -9

SCD 1/03

[Guest guest]

> Have you started giving her yogurt or probiotics yet?

>

>

> Jody

> mom to -7 and -9

> SCD 1/03

>

The Dr. put her on Culturelle over a year ago and I started the yogurt

a few days ago. That seems to have coincided with the D getting a bit

worse. However, prior to this diet, she ate regular yogurt. I just

made the cheesecake and that was a hit! Since I stopped the cheddar

and slowed down a bit on the yogurt, and she's not drinking milk

anymore, she's not getting anywhere near enough calcium! The DCCC has

no calcium according to the package. I don't understand that since

it's a dairy product.

Thanks again for your help,

Karyn

[Guest guest]

Can she swallow pills?

If so, you could give her activated charcoal a few hours after taking

the probiotics and yogurt (maybe give those at dinner, then give the

charcoal at bedtime). That should help with the die off symptoms.

Many of the kids on this list have been dairy free for years. You can

get some calcium powder or calcium capsules for her to take until she

can better tolerate more of the legal dairy. Just remember that there

are other sources of calcium besides dairy products.

Go ahead and start adding new foods so she is not so bored and

miserable about her choices.

Jody

mom to -7 and -9

SCD 1/03

[Guest guest]

Hi,

For my daughter, it was very important to eliminate from her diet the

" avoid " foods for her blood type as listed in Dr. d'Adamo's " Eat Right

4 Your Type " book. Back in the days when she would hardly eat anything,

there were a few foods she ate voraciously -- like green olives! I kept

asking our kinesiological tester to check these foods because I thought she

must be allergic to them and have an " allergic addiction " . The foods tested

ok, not allergic, over and over and over. But in the 24 hours after eating

one of these foods, my daughter would have diarrhea several times and it was

very much like celiac diarrhea except it didn't have the huge globs of

mucous that celiac reactions cause.

Anyway, when I was about to start SCD, I decided to look at the blood type

diet book. This was because I have seen that *many times when we change our

diet to try to make it better, we accidentally make it worse in some way*.

I wanted to be sure that in doing SCD, I didn't feed my daughter all sorts

of blood-type-incompatible foods. Well, there were green olives on the

" avoid " list for my daughter's blood type, and also on the avoid lists were

all those foods she ate voraciously and got diarrhea from! When I cut those

foods out of her diet, her gut function improved -- not enough, but we

weren't having several diarrheas per day anymore! (Many of the blood-type

incompatible foods damage the gut; others damage the blood.)

I know SCD is very, very well researched and the introductory diet was very

carefully designed. But when you don't get the expected results, I think

it's important, and reasonable, to " look a little further " -- like at blood

type incompatibilities. It's possible that some food or foods in the

introductory diet are blood-type-incompatible for your daughter and that is

accidentally making things worse. Also, it's possible that some foods in

the " regular " SCD diet are blood-type-incompatible for your daughter and

contributing to the ongoing diarrhea.

I think when the gut is healed and the gut flora is good, a person can eat

some blood-type-incompatible food without big problems. A health

practitioner told me that Dr. d'Adamo says that most people can eat 80%

" compatible " and 20% " incompatible " and be fine. But when the gut is very

damaged and the flora is imbalanced, the gut is very, very vulnerable to

damage by blood-type-incompatible foods.

So I hope you will take a look at the blood-type-incompatibility factor.

Yes, it would be more restrictions in the diet. But if it makes the

difference between a long, slow, difficult recovery and a faster, easier

recovery where your daughter's diarrhea is clearly decreasing day by day,

week by week -- wouldn't the additional restrictions be worthwhile?

I think Elaine's firm advice to keep a food diary in order to track bad

reactions to foods is very good, and most foods causing trouble because of

blood-type-incompatibility would be " caught " this way. The advantage of

looking at the blood type " avoid " lists is that you can leap-frog ahead,

likely getting good results faster, and know that when the gut is

well-healed you can carefully try the " avoid " foods and probably allow 20%

of the diet to be tasty " incompatible " foods without trouble. I think your

daughter will be much less frustrated with diet restrictions when she can

really see them making a difference for her!

I've been lucky that my daughter has adapted *fairly* easily to her diet

restrictions. Many times now I've had to eliminate favorite foods (in

pre-SCD days, when starting SCD, and since). It's always been hard for me,

emotionally, to take things out of my daughter's diet -- but is it a loving

thing to feed your child something that will make her sick?

Sometimes she has adapted to the change pretty easily, but sometimes she's

been upset. When I put her on a rotate diet recently, things were rough for

several days and I thought " Am I doing the right thing? She's so upset over

this! " But you know, I stuck with it and after about a week she settled

down. Now she'll say something like " Is it a beet day for me today? " and

perhaps pout a bit if it's not, but when I tell her something like " You can

have beets again in three days " she perks up and gets on with " What food do

I get today? "

I also tell her that someday when her tummy is all better, she'll be able

to eat all sorts of things she can't eat now, at least sometimes (maybe not

every day). That helps her feel better, too.

I find that empathy for my daughter when she's unhappy about some aspect of

her diet helps alot, too. I sometimes tell her that I wish she could eat

whatever she wanted, whenever she wanted. But first we have to get her

tummy all better, and that takes a long time sometimes.

I hope this is helpful!

Best wishes,

Kayla

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi,

> For my daughter, it was very important to eliminate from her diet the

> " avoid " foods for her blood type as listed in Dr. d'Adamo's " Eat Right

> 4 Your Type " book. Back in the days when she would hardly eat anything,

> there were a few foods she ate voraciously -- like green olives! I kept

> asking our kinesiological tester to check these foods because I thought she

> must be allergic to them and have an " allergic addiction " . The foods tested

> ok, not allergic, over and over and over. But in the 24 hours after eating

> one of these foods, my daughter would have diarrhea several times and it was

> very much like celiac diarrhea except it didn't have the huge globs of

> mucous that celiac reactions cause.

> Anyway, when I was about to start SCD, I decided to look at the blood type

> diet book.

Sorry Kayla,

We don't support other diets here. It is right in the welcome message. You are

free to do

as you think best but do not encourage others with the blood type diet. Elaine

did not

approve of it and here we follow the protocols Elaine set out.

This message appears in the files which we encourage evryone on the list to

read:They are

accesible from the menu on the left.

Discussions and advertising of alternative diets, illegal foods, treatments

that are not recommended, or other subjects that are not part of the science and

practices of SCD are not allowed on the list. This does include references made

in the body of an e-mail, subject lines and signature lines.

This rule is done to protect those new to SCD and to avoid confusion.

Carol F.

SCD 6 years, celiac

[Guest guest]

All right. Sorry about that, should have read the guidelines more

carefully.

Kayla