Re: At the risk of getting flamed....

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In a message dated 07/11/2000 12:58:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

annaamerica@... writes:

<< .I think the attacks on Walter Lindstrom are a

bit unwarranted. I don't know the guy, but I just reread his post and

I don't think he was nasty or unfair, and I don't think he deserved

all the venom in response. >>

I agree. From Mr Lindstrom's post it sounds like he is open and eager to

learn more about the MGB and will support it when he feels like he is doing

what is best for the people he represents. Dr R encourages us all to post our

questions and concerns.

Sharon In Ky

[Guest guest]

> I don't think he was nasty or unfair,

I do and it is because he did not provide a single fact in support

of his opinion that the MGB was " bad " and " a procedure not to do, "

and he repeatedly over-generalized, claiming that there was

" universal agreement, " and " all the other doctors " think

thus-and-such, all to support his claim the MGB is " bad. "

On the other hand, Dr. Rutledge has provided hard facts and

verifiable information.

If someone wants to offer an opinion, that's fine, but when he

presents himself as some sort of authority, and then attacks

both Dr. Rutledge and the procedure with dark innuendo and

unsupported insinuations, that is nothing but a lame

propagandist's tactics, and it calls his motives into question.

And somebody should call him on it and I did and will continue

to do so.

I just want the facts.

Kind regards,

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

I agree with your post and thank you for taking the time to share

your thoughts so eloquently. I would never strike the match that

would flame anyone who posts on this list. Everyone is entitled to

their own opinion based on their own personal experiences and

convictions.

I personally appreciate the fact that Mr. Lindstrom took the time to

explain why he has taken his stand. His honesty and open mindedness

are to be commended. As for him being a money grabbing lawyer ...

well ... does that not fall in the same category as saying all fat

people are lazy?

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the support...nice to know there are a few voices of reason who

want to contribute something positive!

Walter Lindstrom, Esquire

Obesity Law & Advocacy Center

www.obesitylaw.com

2939 Alta View Drive - Suite O-360

San Diego, CA 92139

Tel:

Fax:

At the risk of getting flamed....

> OK, I've got my hands over my head in a protective posture readying

> for the flames, but ...I think the attacks on Walter Lindstrom are a

> bit unwarranted. I don't know the guy, but I just reread his post and

> I don't think he was nasty or unfair, and I don't think he deserved

> all the venom in response. He is in a position to have much more

> direct information from other doctors than most of us (doesn't make

> him smarter or RIGHT, but gives him a different perspective) and

> seems to have made a judgment based on the information he has to do

> what he feels is right. He also seems willing to keep an open mind if

> he gets more information to convince him otherwise. I don't

> necessarily agree with him, but I respect that he is making a moral

> and ethical choice he believes in.

>

> I appreciate that he is offering his perspective so that those of us

> seeking this surgery have all the information possible, and I

> appreciate even more that Dr. Rutledge is open-minded enough (and

> confident in his process) that he is allowing Walter's input and

> promises to give more information in an effort to quell some of the

> concerns.

>

> I would hope that the lack of long-term information on this procedure

> would be a concern for every one of us. I am not faulting Dr.

> Rutledge at all for that, I know it's relatively new and he CAN'T

> tell us for sure what's going to happen to our bodies 10 years down

> the road, but of course that is a huge concern for me. But that's the

> nature of being one fo the first to do something like this. Medical

> history is littered with people who were maimed in some way by

> medical procedures or drugs or whatever that seemed wonderful at the

> time...until they figured out unfortunate side effects years later.

> All you can do is get all the information you can, assess the risks

> and make the best judgment you can. Some people on this board act

> like anyone who raises legitimate questions should be stoned to the

> death or something. My understanding was that this is a forum for

> learning about the MGB, and supporting each other in our quest for a

> healthy life, not just for mindless cheerleading.

>

> I believe the MGB is the right procedure for me, and will continue to

> fight with my insurance company for approval, but I very much WANT to

> hear from those who have other viewpoints.

>

> And nothing personal against attorneys--hey, some of my best friends

> are attorneys--but I certainly don't think they are any better

> equipped than anyone else to seek and assess information and make

> decisions based on it. (I'm a lot more impressed with the various

> people with medical background who have decided to pursue the MGB.)

>

>

>

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Mr. Lindstrom, It appears to me that you probably, in your first post,

tried to make an excuse for no longer supporting Dr. R and most

probably " mis-spoke " (typed) a few statements. Now that you have

inflamed a few " true believers " ,that happen to be very loyal to Dr. R

because they have done a lot of homework, you kinda like the arguing

don't you? You kinda like " re-inflaming " these people don't you? Why

don't you just do what a true professional would do and just be quite

until you have some facts that YOU have investigated.

I'm still researching myself, but you post nearly scared me to death

until I read it again and realized it is just " hear-say " .

My 2 cents worth from Alabama!

Dinah

> Thanks for the support...nice to know there are a few voices of

reason who

> want to contribute something positive!

> Walter Lindstrom, Esquire

> Obesity Law & Advocacy Center

> www.obesitylaw.com

> 2939 Alta View Drive - Suite O-360

> San Diego, CA 92139

> Tel:

> Fax:

> At the risk of getting flamed....

>

>

> > OK, I've got my hands over my head in a protective posture

readying

> > for the flames, but ...I think the attacks on Walter Lindstrom

are a

> > bit unwarranted. I don't know the guy, but I just reread his post

and

> > I don't think he was nasty or unfair, and I don't think he

deserved

> > all the venom in response. He is in a position to have much more

> > direct information from other doctors than most of us (doesn't

make

> > him smarter or RIGHT, but gives him a different perspective) and

> > seems to have made a judgment based on the information he has to

do

> > what he feels is right. He also seems willing to keep an open

mind if

> > he gets more information to convince him otherwise. I don't

> > necessarily agree with him, but I respect that he is making a

moral

> > and ethical choice he believes in.

> >

> > I appreciate that he is offering his perspective so that those of

us

> > seeking this surgery have all the information possible, and I

> > appreciate even more that Dr. Rutledge is open-minded enough (and

> > confident in his process) that he is allowing Walter's input and

> > promises to give more information in an effort to quell some of

the

> > concerns.

> >

> > I would hope that the lack of long-term information on this

procedure

> > would be a concern for every one of us. I am not faulting Dr.

> > Rutledge at all for that, I know it's relatively new and he CAN'T

> > tell us for sure what's going to happen to our bodies 10 years

down

> > the road, but of course that is a huge concern for me. But that's

the

> > nature of being one fo the first to do something like this.

Medical

> > history is littered with people who were maimed in some way by

> > medical procedures or drugs or whatever that seemed wonderful at

the

> > time...until they figured out unfortunate side effects years

later.

> > All you can do is get all the information you can, assess the

risks

> > and make the best judgment you can. Some people on this board act

> > like anyone who raises legitimate questions should be stoned to

the

> > death or something. My understanding was that this is a forum for

> > learning about the MGB, and supporting each other in our quest

for a

> > healthy life, not just for mindless cheerleading.

> >

> > I believe the MGB is the right procedure for me, and will

continue to

> > fight with my insurance company for approval, but I very much

WANT to

> > hear from those who have other viewpoints.

> >

> > And nothing personal against attorneys--hey, some of my best

friends

> > are attorneys--but I certainly don't think they are any better

> > equipped than anyone else to seek and assess information and make

> > decisions based on it. (I'm a lot more impressed with the various

> > people with medical background who have decided to pursue the

MGB.)

> >

> >

> >

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> > Conference in the whole family on the same call.

> > Let the fights begin! Visit Firetalk.com - Click below.

> > http://click.egroups.com/1/5476/3/_/453517/_/963334592/

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> >

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Onelist.com

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> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dinah, Sis!

He didn't know what he was doing, lighting into the BamaBabes, did he?

BTW, you can call me at anytime if you need a patient

contact or email me at lindat%mindspring.com (replace the % with @.

On onelist, it won't print the whole email name if you are reading

from the website if it sees an @)

Kind regards,

in 'bama

--- dinah@a... wrote:

> Mr. Lindstrom, It appears to me that you probably, in

> your first post, tried to make an excuse for no longer

> supporting Dr. R and most probably " mis-spoke " (typed)

> a few statements. Now that you have inflamed a few " true

> believers " ,that happen to be very loyal to Dr. R because

> they have done a lot of homework, you kinda like the

> arguing don't you? You kinda like " re-inflaming " these

> people don't you? Why don't you just do what a true

> professional would do and just be quite until you have

> some facts that YOU have investigated. I'm still

> researching myself, but you post nearly scared me

> to death until I read it again and realized it is

> just " hear-say " .

>

> My 2 cents worth from Alabama!

>

> Dinah

>

> > Thanks for the support...nice to know there are a few voices of

> reason who

> > want to contribute something positive!

> > Walter Lindstrom, Esquire

> > Obesity Law & Advocacy Center

> > www.obesitylaw.com

> > 2939 Alta View Drive - Suite O-360

> > San Diego, CA 92139

> > Tel:

> > Fax:

[Guest guest]

> I totally agree!!!!! I was at the conference in Memphis and spoke

with many Dr's there about the different procedures. I thought the

MGB

was 100% the surgery for me, now I am doing more research before I

decide and talking to more post -ops.

>

>

That's great! More research will lead you to the inescapable

conclusion and I wish you well on your journey.

How did you happen to be at the conference, ? What's your

line of work?

Kind regards,

[Guest guest]

I totally agree!!!!! I was at the conference in Memphis and spoke with many Dr's

there about the different procedures. I thought the MGB was 100% the surgery for

me, now I am doing more research before I decide and talking to more post -ops.

OK, I've got my hands over my head in a protective posture readying

for the flames, but ...I think the attacks on Walter Lindstrom are a

bit unwarranted. I don't know the guy, but I just reread his post and

I don't think he was nasty or unfair, and I don't think he deserved

all the venom in response. He is in a position to have much more

direct information from other doctors than most of us (doesn't make

him smarter or RIGHT, but gives him a different perspective) and

seems to have made a judgment based on the information he has to do

what he feels is right. He also seems willing to keep an open mind if

he gets more information to convince him otherwise. I don't

necessarily agree with him, but I respect that he is making a moral

and ethical choice he believes in.

I appreciate that he is offering his perspective so that those of us

seeking this surgery have all the information possible, and I

appreciate even more that Dr. Rutledge is open-minded enough (and

confident in his process) that he is allowing Walter's input and

promises to give more information in an effort to quell some of the

concerns.

I would hope that the lack of long-term information on this procedure

would be a concern for every one of us. I am not faulting Dr.

Rutledge at all for that, I know it's relatively new and he CAN'T

tell us for sure what's going to happen to our bodies 10 years down

the road, but of course that is a huge concern for me. But that's the

nature of being one fo the first to do something like this. Medical

history is littered with people who were maimed in some way by

medical procedures or drugs or whatever that seemed wonderful at the

time...until they figured out unfortunate side effects years later.

All you can do is get all the information you can, assess the risks

and make the best judgment you can. Some people on this board act

like anyone who raises legitimate questions should be stoned to the

death or something. My understanding was that this is a forum for

learning about the MGB, and supporting each other in our quest for a

healthy life, not just for mindless cheerleading.

I believe the MGB is the right procedure for me, and will continue to

fight with my insurance company for approval, but I very much WANT to

hear from those who have other viewpoints.

And nothing personal against attorneys--hey, some of my best friends

are attorneys--but I certainly don't think they are any better

equipped than anyone else to seek and assess information and make

decisions based on it. (I'm a lot more impressed with the various

people with medical background who have decided to pursue the MGB.)

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[Guest guest]

I think more than just Mr. Lindstrom is keeping this going. It is a combination

of people who all mean well. Lets get back to talking about the " MGB " Instead of

bickering back and forth, lets get back to how everyone is doing and who is

still trying to get approved. I for one love to read how everyone is getting

along after surgery. This is getting out of hand.

My 2 cents worth from Mississippi

[Guest guest]

I second that !

>

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>To: <MiniGastricBypass (AT) egroups (DOT) com>

>Subject: Re: Re: At the risk of getting flamed....

>Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:41:49 -0700

>

>I think more than just Mr. Lindstrom is keeping this going. It is a

>combination of people who all mean well. Lets get back to talking about the

> " MGB " Instead of bickering back and forth, lets get back to how everyone is

>doing and who is still trying to get approved. I for one love to read how

>everyone is getting along after surgery. This is getting out of hand.

>

> My 2 cents worth from Mississippi

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

I was in process of composing a long letter to everyone on the list and

then I read your post. You said it all. We as a group have no doubt in

our lifetime experienced being judged. We must eat 10 twinkies a day!!!

We must be on welfare and sit on our but watching soaps all day!!!! Sound

familiar to any one??????

As a medical professional who also needs this lifesaving surgery I have

been carefully researching for nearly a year. I have seen surgeons in

three different states. The opinions are always varied. We mustn't judge

Mr. Lindstrom for what seems to be a very informed opinion. I applaud Dr.

R for allowing him to join our site. Opinions can always change!!!!!!!

Seeing this list and the success stories can do nothing but help.

Just my two cents

Dee in NC

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