Re: after diflucan . . . Summer?

[Guest guest]

Jeni Lynn,

One natural anti-fungal is grapefruit seed extract and has been ok'd by Elaine

(spoke to her personally myself on this one). I take something called Citricidal

and I can only get it from my ND. Candizyme is also an approved anti-yeast and

can be gotten from your local HFS. It is made by Renew Life. I think the the US

it goes by another name I believe it is Candigone. Don't quote me on that.

Charlene

UC 8 years

SCD 5 1/2 years

Hey guys!

We are rounding up a month of diflucan. I would like to continue

with an anti-fungal protocol with natural stuff. Does anyone have

suggestions? Which natural anti-fungals are SCD legal? Any ideas of

how to rotate them?

Summer, I know that you had something you did for anti-fungals a

while back that you now only use when needed. How do you recommend I

handle this coming off of diflucan? What did you do for your family?

I have a phone consultation with Dr. Megson coming up about this.

While she is supportive of SCD, she doesn't know much about SCD

(other than it works for many families), so it would be helpful if I

knew what was acceptable within SCD parameters. Then I can work with

her from there.

Thanks!

Jeni Lynn (gastrointestinal problems)

mom to Elle, 19 mo. (leaky gut, heavy metal toxicity)

SCD 5 months

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com

[Guest guest]

Yeasts can often mutate as quickly as every 4 days. I would start an antifungal

rotation therapy, using Oreganol (mediterranian oregano, don't use any other

orgegano oils, just this one), olive leaf, grapefruit seed extract, or any other

antifungal...frankensence, myrhh, etc...in rotation. Be sure to up probiotics in

between dosing times. Do this, and if things seem to be working and evening out,

gradually reduce, very gradually reduce the antifungals one at a time, trick

that yeast, trick the body, when the yeast if fighting for its rights, it puts

up major resistance, so slow is the way to go. In all best circumstances, if

possible, you want to wean down from them, then only use these substances when

there is a yeast flare of some sort, or in the case of some other illness. You

will have to experiment and see how this all works for a bit. First worry about

moving from diflucan to other antifungals and get on an even keel with this

first.

I hope this helps, good luck to you!

Summer

furryhalfpint wrote:

Hey guys!

We are rounding up a month of diflucan. I would like to continue

with an anti-fungal protocol with natural stuff. Does anyone have

suggestions? Which natural anti-fungals are SCD legal? Any ideas of

how to rotate them?

Summer, I know that you had something you did for anti-fungals a

while back that you now only use when needed. How do you recommend I

handle this coming off of diflucan? What did you do for your family?

I have a phone consultation with Dr. Megson coming up about this.

While she is supportive of SCD, she doesn't know much about SCD

(other than it works for many families), so it would be helpful if I

knew what was acceptable within SCD parameters. Then I can work with

her from there.

Thanks!

Jeni Lynn (gastrointestinal problems)

mom to Elle, 19 mo. (leaky gut, heavy metal toxicity)

SCD 5 months

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com

[Guest guest]

Yeasts can often mutate as quickly as every 4 days. I would start an antifungal

rotation therapy, using Oreganol (mediterranian oregano, don't use any other

orgegano oils, just this one), olive leaf, grapefruit seed extract, or any other

antifungal...frankensence, myrhh, etc...in rotation. Be sure to up probiotics in

between dosing times. Do this, and if things seem to be working and evening out,

gradually reduce, very gradually reduce the antifungals one at a time, trick

that yeast, trick the body, when the yeast if fighting for its rights, it puts

up major resistance, so slow is the way to go. In all best circumstances, if

possible, you want to wean down from them, then only use these substances when

there is a yeast flare of some sort, or in the case of some other illness. You

will have to experiment and see how this all works for a bit. First worry about

moving from diflucan to other antifungals and get on an even keel with this

first.

I hope this helps, good luck to you!

Summer

furryhalfpint wrote:

Hey guys!

We are rounding up a month of diflucan. I would like to continue

with an anti-fungal protocol with natural stuff. Does anyone have

suggestions? Which natural anti-fungals are SCD legal? Any ideas of

how to rotate them?

Summer, I know that you had something you did for anti-fungals a

while back that you now only use when needed. How do you recommend I

handle this coming off of diflucan? What did you do for your family?

I have a phone consultation with Dr. Megson coming up about this.

While she is supportive of SCD, she doesn't know much about SCD

(other than it works for many families), so it would be helpful if I

knew what was acceptable within SCD parameters. Then I can work with

her from there.

Thanks!

Jeni Lynn (gastrointestinal problems)

mom to Elle, 19 mo. (leaky gut, heavy metal toxicity)

SCD 5 months

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com

[Guest guest]

Hey Summer!

Do I get all these things from the HFS? Another listmate responded

saying to use GSE Citricidal and Candizyme from Candigone. Do your

supplements need to be certain brands or have certain " features " ?

Thanks!

Jeni Lynn

>

> Yeasts can often mutate as quickly as every 4 days. I would start

an antifungal rotation therapy, using Oreganol (mediterranian

oregano, don't use any other orgegano oils, just this one), olive

leaf, grapefruit seed extract, or any other

antifungal...frankensence, myrhh, etc...in rotation. Be sure to up

probiotics in between dosing times. Do this, and if things seem to be

working and evening out, gradually reduce, very gradually reduce the

antifungals one at a time, trick that yeast, trick the body, when the

yeast if fighting for its rights, it puts up major resistance, so

slow is the way to go. In all best circumstances, if possible, you

want to wean down from them, then only use these substances when

there is a yeast flare of some sort, or in the case of some other

illness. You will have to experiment and see how this all works for a

bit. First worry about moving from diflucan to other antifungals and

get on an even keel with this first.

>

> I hope this helps, good luck to you!

>

> Summer

>

[Guest guest]

Hey Summer!

Do I get all these things from the HFS? Another listmate responded

saying to use GSE Citricidal and Candizyme from Candigone. Do your

supplements need to be certain brands or have certain " features " ?

Thanks!

Jeni Lynn

>

> Yeasts can often mutate as quickly as every 4 days. I would start

an antifungal rotation therapy, using Oreganol (mediterranian

oregano, don't use any other orgegano oils, just this one), olive

leaf, grapefruit seed extract, or any other

antifungal...frankensence, myrhh, etc...in rotation. Be sure to up

probiotics in between dosing times. Do this, and if things seem to be

working and evening out, gradually reduce, very gradually reduce the

antifungals one at a time, trick that yeast, trick the body, when the

yeast if fighting for its rights, it puts up major resistance, so

slow is the way to go. In all best circumstances, if possible, you

want to wean down from them, then only use these substances when

there is a yeast flare of some sort, or in the case of some other

illness. You will have to experiment and see how this all works for a

bit. First worry about moving from diflucan to other antifungals and

get on an even keel with this first.

>

> I hope this helps, good luck to you!

>

> Summer

>

[Guest guest]

Jeni Lynn,

There are many anti-fungals out there, I left out garlic, candex, and so on.

You really have to get a feel for this yourself, what will work. Just work up

slow.

I do not trust GSE in any store (I can't say good or bad), but some companies

use solvents for grapefruit seed extraction. The only place I will get GSE from

is

www.mountainroseherbs.com $9 for 1 ounce. I don't know what anti-fungals you

plan to use, but you can order many anti-fungal herbs, like olive leaf, and

tincture up yourself or make a tea.

The quality in storebought powdered herbs seems to be very low, as essential

oils are often very volatile and easily oxidize.

Some people use Candizyme and Candigone, also Candidase, but Candex seems to

be supreme in this area, in my opinion.

Soon, I would like to trial Virastop with Candidase together for myself, I

don't know the outcome.

The features you want is freshness in regards to herbs, and for enzymes,

basically what works.

Oreganol is in a class by itself, some oregano oils are made from american

oregano, " Origanum vulgare " , which is a wonderful digestive aid, but not the

powerful anti-fungal. The anti-fungal one is made from Greek oregano known as

Origanum heracleoticum. I am growing my own, and my project is going to be to

make my own oregano oil that is fresher and strong. Freshness is key.

There is also Origanum majorana, also known as Marjoram, which some companies

combine with Orignaum vulgare (wild american oregano), great supplement, but not

the one.

Summer

furryhalfpint wrote:

Hey Summer!

Do I get all these things from the HFS? Another listmate responded

saying to use GSE Citricidal and Candizyme from Candigone. Do your

supplements need to be certain brands or have certain " features " ?

Thanks!

Jeni Lynn

>

> Yeasts can often mutate as quickly as every 4 days. I would start

an antifungal rotation therapy, using Oreganol (mediterranian

oregano, don't use any other orgegano oils, just this one), olive

leaf, grapefruit seed extract, or any other

antifungal...frankensence, myrhh, etc...in rotation. Be sure to up

probiotics in between dosing times. Do this, and if things seem to be

working and evening out, gradually reduce, very gradually reduce the

antifungals one at a time, trick that yeast, trick the body, when the

yeast if fighting for its rights, it puts up major resistance, so

slow is the way to go. In all best circumstances, if possible, you

want to wean down from them, then only use these substances when

there is a yeast flare of some sort, or in the case of some other

illness. You will have to experiment and see how this all works for a

bit. First worry about moving from diflucan to other antifungals and

get on an even keel with this first.

>

> I hope this helps, good luck to you!

>

> Summer

>

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com

[Guest guest]

Hey Jeni Lynn,

We also have just finished Diflucan... We are using Fungal Defense from Garden

of Life, and FVX (325)947-5266. Jeni you've got to get the GAPS book ...very

interesting.

Agape,

furryhalfpint wrote:

Hey guys!

We are rounding up a month of diflucan. I would like to continue

with an anti-fungal protocol with natural stuff. Does anyone have

suggestions? Which natural anti-fungals are SCD legal? Any ideas of

how to rotate them?

Summer, I know that you had something you did for anti-fungals a

while back that you now only use when needed. How do you recommend I

handle this coming off of diflucan? What did you do for your family?

I have a phone consultation with Dr. Megson coming up about this.

While she is supportive of SCD, she doesn't know much about SCD

(other than it works for many families), so it would be helpful if I

knew what was acceptable within SCD parameters. Then I can work with

her from there.

Thanks!

Jeni Lynn (gastrointestinal problems)

mom to Elle, 19 mo. (leaky gut, heavy metal toxicity)

SCD 5 months

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com

[Guest guest]

Hey Summer,

What about caprylic acid?... I've heard good things about it... the yeast

doesn't habituate to it.

Agape,

Gertrude Snicklegrove wrote:

Jeni Lynn,

There are many anti-fungals out there, I left out garlic, candex, and so on.

You really have to get a feel for this yourself, what will work. Just work up

slow.

I do not trust GSE in any store (I can't say good or bad), but some companies

use solvents for grapefruit seed extraction. The only place I will get GSE from

is

www.mountainroseherbs.com $9 for 1 ounce. I don't know what anti-fungals you

plan to use, but you can order many anti-fungal herbs, like olive leaf, and

tincture up yourself or make a tea.

The quality in storebought powdered herbs seems to be very low, as essential

oils are often very volatile and easily oxidize.

Some people use Candizyme and Candigone, also Candidase, but Candex seems to

be supreme in this area, in my opinion.

Soon, I would like to trial Virastop with Candidase together for myself, I

don't know the outcome.

The features you want is freshness in regards to herbs, and for enzymes,

basically what works.

Oreganol is in a class by itself, some oregano oils are made from american

oregano, " Origanum vulgare " , which is a wonderful digestive aid, but not the

powerful anti-fungal. The anti-fungal one is made from Greek oregano known as

Origanum heracleoticum. I am growing my own, and my project is going to be to

make my own oregano oil that is fresher and strong. Freshness is key.

There is also Origanum majorana, also known as Marjoram, which some companies

combine with Orignaum vulgare (wild american oregano), great supplement, but not

the one.

Summer

furryhalfpint wrote:

Hey Summer!

Do I get all these things from the HFS? Another listmate responded

saying to use GSE Citricidal and Candizyme from Candigone. Do your

supplements need to be certain brands or have certain " features " ?

Thanks!

Jeni Lynn

>

> Yeasts can often mutate as quickly as every 4 days. I would start

an antifungal rotation therapy, using Oreganol (mediterranian

oregano, don't use any other orgegano oils, just this one), olive

leaf, grapefruit seed extract, or any other

antifungal...frankensence, myrhh, etc...in rotation. Be sure to up

probiotics in between dosing times. Do this, and if things seem to be

working and evening out, gradually reduce, very gradually reduce the

antifungals one at a time, trick that yeast, trick the body, when the

yeast if fighting for its rights, it puts up major resistance, so

slow is the way to go. In all best circumstances, if possible, you

want to wean down from them, then only use these substances when

there is a yeast flare of some sort, or in the case of some other

illness. You will have to experiment and see how this all works for a

bit. First worry about moving from diflucan to other antifungals and

get on an even keel with this first.

>

> I hope this helps, good luck to you!

>

> Summer

>

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com

[Guest guest]

,

Caprylic acid is a great fatty acid. It is rarely very effective on its own,

not so much a stand alone fungal treatment, in and of itself. This medium chain

fatty acid is found in coconut and palm oils, also in butterfat. There is some

research that indicates it works on the fungal and viral membranes, perhaps

stiffening them, making it harder to absorb nutrition through their cell walls.

This would make it a useful adjunct to any anti-fungal therapy.

The cons on using it for anti-fungal use solely, it is a fatty acid, and is

metabolized very rapidly in the fatty acid pathways. Unlike other fatty acids,

it hits the intestines and zooms immediately into the blood, doesn't need to be

digested. On this level, it will not work directly in the large intestines and

colon, giving them a miss.

Still, caprylic acid is useful, just metabolized too quickly, in my opinion.

For us, we use home-made goat butter and a little coconut oil here or there and

call it good. For someone else who would like to supplement with this, I suggest

pairing it with another anti-fungal, garlic and caprylic acid, tumeric and

caprylic acid, and so on. I think the key for any anti-fungal treatment is less

is better, and using it only as a jump start to create a timespace for healing

to happen. Changing the environment the yeast thrives in is more important in

the long run. Caprylic acid is a safe addition to the everyday diet.

Summer

davis wrote:

Hey Summer,

What about caprylic acid?... I've heard good things about it... the yeast

doesn't habituate to it.

Agape,

Gertrude Snicklegrove wrote:

Jeni Lynn,

There are many anti-fungals out there, I left out garlic, candex, and so on.

You really have to get a feel for this yourself, what will work. Just work up

slow.

I do not trust GSE in any store (I can't say good or bad), but some companies

use solvents for grapefruit seed extraction. The only place I will get GSE from

is

www.mountainroseherbs.com $9 for 1 ounce. I don't know what anti-fungals you

plan to use, but you can order many anti-fungal herbs, like olive leaf, and

tincture up yourself or make a tea.

The quality in storebought powdered herbs seems to be very low, as essential

oils are often very volatile and easily oxidize.

Some people use Candizyme and Candigone, also Candidase, but Candex seems to

be supreme in this area, in my opinion.

Soon, I would like to trial Virastop with Candidase together for myself, I

don't know the outcome.

The features you want is freshness in regards to herbs, and for enzymes,

basically what works.

Oreganol is in a class by itself, some oregano oils are made from american

oregano, " Origanum vulgare " , which is a wonderful digestive aid, but not the

powerful anti-fungal. The anti-fungal one is made from Greek oregano known as

Origanum heracleoticum. I am growing my own, and my project is going to be to

make my own oregano oil that is fresher and strong. Freshness is key.

There is also Origanum majorana, also known as Marjoram, which some companies

combine with Orignaum vulgare (wild american oregano), great supplement, but not

the one.

Summer

furryhalfpint wrote:

Hey Summer!

Do I get all these things from the HFS? Another listmate responded

saying to use GSE Citricidal and Candizyme from Candigone. Do your

supplements need to be certain brands or have certain " features " ?

Thanks!

Jeni Lynn

>

> Yeasts can often mutate as quickly as every 4 days. I would start

an antifungal rotation therapy, using Oreganol (mediterranian

oregano, don't use any other orgegano oils, just this one), olive

leaf, grapefruit seed extract, or any other

antifungal...frankensence, myrhh, etc...in rotation. Be sure to up

probiotics in between dosing times. Do this, and if things seem to be

working and evening out, gradually reduce, very gradually reduce the

antifungals one at a time, trick that yeast, trick the body, when the

yeast if fighting for its rights, it puts up major resistance, so

slow is the way to go. In all best circumstances, if possible, you

want to wean down from them, then only use these substances when

there is a yeast flare of some sort, or in the case of some other

illness. You will have to experiment and see how this all works for a

bit. First worry about moving from diflucan to other antifungals and

get on an even keel with this first.

>

> I hope this helps, good luck to you!

>

> Summer

>

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com

[Guest guest]

Thanks Summer,

Agape,

Gertrude Snicklegrove wrote:

,

Caprylic acid is a great fatty acid. It is rarely very effective on its own,

not so much a stand alone fungal treatment, in and of itself. This medium chain

fatty acid is found in coconut and palm oils, also in butterfat. There is some

research that indicates it works on the fungal and viral membranes, perhaps

stiffening them, making it harder to absorb nutrition through their cell walls.

This would make it a useful adjunct to any anti-fungal therapy.

The cons on using it for anti-fungal use solely, it is a fatty acid, and is

metabolized very rapidly in the fatty acid pathways. Unlike other fatty acids,

it hits the intestines and zooms immediately into the blood, doesn't need to be

digested. On this level, it will not work directly in the large intestines and

colon, giving them a miss.

Still, caprylic acid is useful, just metabolized too quickly, in my opinion.

For us, we use home-made goat butter and a little coconut oil here or there and

call it good. For someone else who would like to supplement with this, I suggest

pairing it with another anti-fungal, garlic and caprylic acid, tumeric and

caprylic acid, and so on. I think the key for any anti-fungal treatment is less

is better, and using it only as a jump start to create a timespace for healing

to happen. Changing the environment the yeast thrives in is more important in

the long run. Caprylic acid is a safe addition to the everyday diet.

Summer

davis wrote:

Hey Summer,

What about caprylic acid?... I've heard good things about it... the yeast

doesn't habituate to it.

Agape,

Gertrude Snicklegrove wrote:

Jeni Lynn,

There are many anti-fungals out there, I left out garlic, candex, and so on.

You really have to get a feel for this yourself, what will work. Just work up

slow.

I do not trust GSE in any store (I can't say good or bad), but some companies

use solvents for grapefruit seed extraction. The only place I will get GSE from

is

www.mountainroseherbs.com $9 for 1 ounce. I don't know what anti-fungals you

plan to use, but you can order many anti-fungal herbs, like olive leaf, and

tincture up yourself or make a tea.

The quality in storebought powdered herbs seems to be very low, as essential

oils are often very volatile and easily oxidize.

Some people use Candizyme and Candigone, also Candidase, but Candex seems to

be supreme in this area, in my opinion.

Soon, I would like to trial Virastop with Candidase together for myself, I

don't know the outcome.

The features you want is freshness in regards to herbs, and for enzymes,

basically what works.

Oreganol is in a class by itself, some oregano oils are made from american

oregano, " Origanum vulgare " , which is a wonderful digestive aid, but not the

powerful anti-fungal. The anti-fungal one is made from Greek oregano known as

Origanum heracleoticum. I am growing my own, and my project is going to be to

make my own oregano oil that is fresher and strong. Freshness is key.

There is also Origanum majorana, also known as Marjoram, which some companies

combine with Orignaum vulgare (wild american oregano), great supplement, but not

the one.

Summer

furryhalfpint wrote:

Hey Summer!

Do I get all these things from the HFS? Another listmate responded

saying to use GSE Citricidal and Candizyme from Candigone. Do your

supplements need to be certain brands or have certain " features " ?

Thanks!

Jeni Lynn

>

> Yeasts can often mutate as quickly as every 4 days. I would start

an antifungal rotation therapy, using Oreganol (mediterranian

oregano, don't use any other orgegano oils, just this one), olive

leaf, grapefruit seed extract, or any other

antifungal...frankensence, myrhh, etc...in rotation. Be sure to up

probiotics in between dosing times. Do this, and if things seem to be

working and evening out, gradually reduce, very gradually reduce the

antifungals one at a time, trick that yeast, trick the body, when the

yeast if fighting for its rights, it puts up major resistance, so

slow is the way to go. In all best circumstances, if possible, you

want to wean down from them, then only use these substances when

there is a yeast flare of some sort, or in the case of some other

illness. You will have to experiment and see how this all works for a

bit. First worry about moving from diflucan to other antifungals and

get on an even keel with this first.

>

> I hope this helps, good luck to you!

>

> Summer

>

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com

[Guest guest]

Caprylic acid and butryic acid are a very powerful healing combo, hence why

raw, cultured butter is so valued, naturally contains both plus a natural

lechtin to make them more absorbable and usable by the body

>

>Reply-To: pecanbread

>To: pecanbread

>Subject: Re: Re: after diflucan . . . Summer?

>Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 21:18:19 -0700 (PDT)

>

>,

>

> Caprylic acid is a great fatty acid. It is rarely very effective on its

>own, not so much a stand alone fungal treatment, in and of itself. This

>medium chain fatty acid is found in coconut and palm oils, also in

>butterfat. There is some research that indicates it works on the fungal and

>viral membranes, perhaps stiffening them, making it harder to absorb

>nutrition through their cell walls. This would make it a useful adjunct to

>any anti-fungal therapy.

>

> The cons on using it for anti-fungal use solely, it is a fatty acid, and

>is metabolized very rapidly in the fatty acid pathways. Unlike other fatty

>acids, it hits the intestines and zooms immediately into the blood, doesn't

>need to be digested. On this level, it will not work directly in the large

>intestines and colon, giving them a miss.

>

> Still, caprylic acid is useful, just metabolized too quickly, in my

>opinion. For us, we use home-made goat butter and a little coconut oil here

>or there and call it good. For someone else who would like to supplement

>with this, I suggest pairing it with another anti-fungal, garlic and

>caprylic acid, tumeric and caprylic acid, and so on. I think the key for

>any anti-fungal treatment is less is better, and using it only as a jump

>start to create a timespace for healing to happen. Changing the environment

>the yeast thrives in is more important in the long run. Caprylic acid is a

>safe addition to the everyday diet.

>

> Summer

>

>

>

> davis wrote:

> Hey Summer,

> What about caprylic acid?... I've heard good things about it... the

>yeast doesn't habituate to it.

> Agape,

>

>Gertrude Snicklegrove wrote:

> Jeni Lynn,

> There are many anti-fungals out there, I left out garlic, candex, and so

>on.

>

> You really have to get a feel for this yourself, what will work. Just

>work up slow.

>

> I do not trust GSE in any store (I can't say good or bad), but some

>companies use solvents for grapefruit seed extraction. The only place I

>will get GSE from is

> www.mountainroseherbs.com $9 for 1 ounce. I don't know what

>anti-fungals you plan to use, but you can order many anti-fungal herbs,

>like olive leaf, and tincture up yourself or make a tea.

>

> The quality in storebought powdered herbs seems to be very low, as

>essential oils are often very volatile and easily oxidize.

>

> Some people use Candizyme and Candigone, also Candidase, but Candex

>seems to be supreme in this area, in my opinion.

>

> Soon, I would like to trial Virastop with Candidase together for myself,

>I don't know the outcome.

>

> The features you want is freshness in regards to herbs, and for enzymes,

>basically what works.

>

> Oreganol is in a class by itself, some oregano oils are made from

>american oregano, " Origanum vulgare " , which is a wonderful digestive aid,

>but not the powerful anti-fungal. The anti-fungal one is made from Greek

>oregano known as Origanum heracleoticum. I am growing my own, and my

>project is going to be to make my own oregano oil that is fresher and

>strong. Freshness is key.

>

> There is also Origanum majorana, also known as Marjoram, which some

>companies combine with Orignaum vulgare (wild american oregano), great

>supplement, but not the one.

>

> Summer

>

>furryhalfpint wrote:

> Hey Summer!

>

>Do I get all these things from the HFS? Another listmate responded

>saying to use GSE Citricidal and Candizyme from Candigone. Do your

>supplements need to be certain brands or have certain " features " ?

>

>Thanks!

>Jeni Lynn

>

>

> >

> > Yeasts can often mutate as quickly as every 4 days. I would start

>an antifungal rotation therapy, using Oreganol (mediterranian

>oregano, don't use any other orgegano oils, just this one), olive

>leaf, grapefruit seed extract, or any other

>antifungal...frankensence, myrhh, etc...in rotation. Be sure to up

>probiotics in between dosing times. Do this, and if things seem to be

>working and evening out, gradually reduce, very gradually reduce the

>antifungals one at a time, trick that yeast, trick the body, when the

>yeast if fighting for its rights, it puts up major resistance, so

>slow is the way to go. In all best circumstances, if possible, you

>want to wean down from them, then only use these substances when

>there is a yeast flare of some sort, or in the case of some other

>illness. You will have to experiment and see how this all works for a

>bit. First worry about moving from diflucan to other antifungals and

>get on an even keel with this first.

> >

> > I hope this helps, good luck to you!

> >

> > Summer

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

>_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

>websites:

>http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

>and

>http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

What ever happened to just sarving these bad gut bugs out the SCD

way? Isn't this working for some????? Maybe foods are being eaten

that are not digesting and are feeding those darn yeasty beasty's.

Elaine and Dr. Haas said that what the body can not digest does

harm. Especialy if you are starting over due to not following the

guide lines in the BTVC book or just starting out right.

Maybe take out all those hard to digest foods. Go to the list of

stages from Pecan Bread...and I suggest that like we do...when this

happens...back up the TRUCK!

We had a horrible time with dry beans (cooked the SCD way) and many

raw fruits, and nuts. 2+ month strict SCD...we can just now do the

raw fruits, but still peel the skins off. We are able to toreate a

few things made from nut flours too. But never over do it. Elaine

said only 3 muffins a day at the most!

KiKI's thrush that I accidently started back up do to adding

unkowingly " illegal " apple vinegar (unpasturized), has vanished with

just three days back to the intro. She is so sick she can't

tolerate all thos fancy fungal cures. SCD wins again for her, and

many. She is not alone....has worked for over 50 years.

Hope this helps others, Antoinette

> > >

> > > Yeasts can often mutate as quickly as every 4 days. I would

start

> >an antifungal rotation therapy, using Oreganol (mediterranian

> >oregano, don't use any other orgegano oils, just this one), olive

> >leaf, grapefruit seed extract, or any other

> >antifungal...frankensence, myrhh, etc...in rotation. Be sure to up

> >probiotics in between dosing times. Do this, and if things seem

to be

> >working and evening out, gradually reduce, very gradually reduce

the

> >antifungals one at a time, trick that yeast, trick the body, when

the

> >yeast if fighting for its rights, it puts up major resistance, so

> >slow is the way to go. In all best circumstances, if possible, you

> >want to wean down from them, then only use these substances when

> >there is a yeast flare of some sort, or in the case of some other

> >illness. You will have to experiment and see how this all works

for a

> >bit. First worry about moving from diflucan to other antifungals

and

> >get on an even keel with this first.

> > >

> > > I hope this helps, good luck to you!

> > >

> > > Summer

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read

the book

> >_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the

following

> >websites:

> >http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> >and

> >http://www.pecanbread.com

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

By the way, I meant to say that caprylic acid like other fatty acids, not

unlike...typo!

Your welcome!

Summer

davis wrote:

Thanks Summer,

Agape,

Gertrude Snicklegrove wrote:

,

Caprylic acid is a great fatty acid. It is rarely very effective on its own,

not so much a stand alone fungal treatment, in and of itself. This medium chain

fatty acid is found in coconut and palm oils, also in butterfat. There is some

research that indicates it works on the fungal and viral membranes, perhaps

stiffening them, making it harder to absorb nutrition through their cell walls.

This would make it a useful adjunct to any anti-fungal therapy.

The cons on using it for anti-fungal use solely, it is a fatty acid, and is

metabolized very rapidly in the fatty acid pathways. Unlike other fatty acids,

it hits the intestines and zooms immediately into the blood, doesn't need to be

digested. On this level, it will not work directly in the large intestines and

colon, giving them a miss.

Still, caprylic acid is useful, just metabolized too quickly, in my opinion.

For us, we use home-made goat butter and a little coconut oil here or there and

call it good. For someone else who would like to supplement with this, I suggest

pairing it with another anti-fungal, garlic and caprylic acid, tumeric and

caprylic acid, and so on. I think the key for any anti-fungal treatment is less

is better, and using it only as a jump start to create a timespace for healing

to happen. Changing the environment the yeast thrives in is more important in

the long run. Caprylic acid is a safe addition to the everyday diet.

Summer

davis wrote:

Hey Summer,

What about caprylic acid?... I've heard good things about it... the yeast

doesn't habituate to it.

Agape,

Gertrude Snicklegrove wrote:

Jeni Lynn,

There are many anti-fungals out there, I left out garlic, candex, and so on.

You really have to get a feel for this yourself, what will work. Just work up

slow.

I do not trust GSE in any store (I can't say good or bad), but some companies

use solvents for grapefruit seed extraction. The only place I will get GSE from

is

www.mountainroseherbs.com $9 for 1 ounce. I don't know what anti-fungals you

plan to use, but you can order many anti-fungal herbs, like olive leaf, and

tincture up yourself or make a tea.

The quality in storebought powdered herbs seems to be very low, as essential

oils are often very volatile and easily oxidize.

Some people use Candizyme and Candigone, also Candidase, but Candex seems to

be supreme in this area, in my opinion.

Soon, I would like to trial Virastop with Candidase together for myself, I

don't know the outcome.

The features you want is freshness in regards to herbs, and for enzymes,

basically what works.

Oreganol is in a class by itself, some oregano oils are made from american

oregano, " Origanum vulgare " , which is a wonderful digestive aid, but not the

powerful anti-fungal. The anti-fungal one is made from Greek oregano known as

Origanum heracleoticum. I am growing my own, and my project is going to be to

make my own oregano oil that is fresher and strong. Freshness is key.

There is also Origanum majorana, also known as Marjoram, which some companies

combine with Orignaum vulgare (wild american oregano), great supplement, but not

the one.

Summer

furryhalfpint wrote:

Hey Summer!

Do I get all these things from the HFS? Another listmate responded

saying to use GSE Citricidal and Candizyme from Candigone. Do your

supplements need to be certain brands or have certain " features " ?

Thanks!

Jeni Lynn

>

> Yeasts can often mutate as quickly as every 4 days. I would start

an antifungal rotation therapy, using Oreganol (mediterranian

oregano, don't use any other orgegano oils, just this one), olive

leaf, grapefruit seed extract, or any other

antifungal...frankensence, myrhh, etc...in rotation. Be sure to up

probiotics in between dosing times. Do this, and if things seem to be

working and evening out, gradually reduce, very gradually reduce the

antifungals one at a time, trick that yeast, trick the body, when the

yeast if fighting for its rights, it puts up major resistance, so

slow is the way to go. In all best circumstances, if possible, you

want to wean down from them, then only use these substances when

there is a yeast flare of some sort, or in the case of some other

illness. You will have to experiment and see how this all works for a

bit. First worry about moving from diflucan to other antifungals and

get on an even keel with this first.

>

> I hope this helps, good luck to you!

>

> Summer

>

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com

[Guest guest]

Hey ,

Is there a combo supplement with both these?

Petrolino wrote:

Caprylic acid and butryic acid are a very powerful healing combo, hence why

raw, cultured butter is so valued, naturally contains both plus a natural

lechtin to make them more absorbable and usable by the body

>From: Gertrude Snicklegrove

>Reply-To: pecanbread

>To: pecanbread

>Subject: Re: Re: after diflucan . . . Summer?

>Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 21:18:19 -0700 (PDT)

>

>,

>

> Caprylic acid is a great fatty acid. It is rarely very effective on its

>own, not so much a stand alone fungal treatment, in and of itself. This

>medium chain fatty acid is found in coconut and palm oils, also in

>butterfat. There is some research that indicates it works on the fungal and

>viral membranes, perhaps stiffening them, making it harder to absorb

>nutrition through their cell walls. This would make it a useful adjunct to

>any anti-fungal therapy.

>

> The cons on using it for anti-fungal use solely, it is a fatty acid, and

>is metabolized very rapidly in the fatty acid pathways. Unlike other fatty

>acids, it hits the intestines and zooms immediately into the blood, doesn't

>need to be digested. On this level, it will not work directly in the large

>intestines and colon, giving them a miss.

>

> Still, caprylic acid is useful, just metabolized too quickly, in my

>opinion. For us, we use home-made goat butter and a little coconut oil here

>or there and call it good. For someone else who would like to supplement

>with this, I suggest pairing it with another anti-fungal, garlic and

>caprylic acid, tumeric and caprylic acid, and so on. I think the key for

>any anti-fungal treatment is less is better, and using it only as a jump

>start to create a timespace for healing to happen. Changing the environment

>the yeast thrives in is more important in the long run. Caprylic acid is a

>safe addition to the everyday diet.

>

> Summer

>

>

>

> davis

wrote:

> Hey Summer,

> What about caprylic acid?... I've heard good things about it... the

>yeast doesn't habituate to it.

> Agape,

>

>Gertrude Snicklegrove wrote:

> Jeni Lynn,

> There are many anti-fungals out there, I left out garlic, candex, and so

>on.

>

> You really have to get a feel for this yourself, what will work. Just

>work up slow.

>

> I do not trust GSE in any store (I can't say good or bad), but some

>companies use solvents for grapefruit seed extraction. The only place I

>will get GSE from is

> www.mountainroseherbs.com $9 for 1 ounce. I don't know what

>anti-fungals you plan to use, but you can order many anti-fungal herbs,

>like olive leaf, and tincture up yourself or make a tea.

>

> The quality in storebought powdered herbs seems to be very low, as

>essential oils are often very volatile and easily oxidize.

>

> Some people use Candizyme and Candigone, also Candidase, but Candex

>seems to be supreme in this area, in my opinion.

>

> Soon, I would like to trial Virastop with Candidase together for myself,

>I don't know the outcome.

>

> The features you want is freshness in regards to herbs, and for enzymes,

>basically what works.

>

> Oreganol is in a class by itself, some oregano oils are made from

>american oregano, " Origanum vulgare " , which is a wonderful digestive aid,

>but not the powerful anti-fungal. The anti-fungal one is made from Greek

>oregano known as Origanum heracleoticum. I am growing my own, and my

>project is going to be to make my own oregano oil that is fresher and

>strong. Freshness is key.

>

> There is also Origanum majorana, also known as Marjoram, which some

>companies combine with Orignaum vulgare (wild american oregano), great

>supplement, but not the one.

>

> Summer

>

>furryhalfpint wrote:

> Hey Summer!

>

>Do I get all these things from the HFS? Another listmate responded

>saying to use GSE Citricidal and Candizyme from Candigone. Do your

>supplements need to be certain brands or have certain " features " ?

>

>Thanks!

>Jeni Lynn

>

>

> >

> > Yeasts can often mutate as quickly as every 4 days. I would start

>an antifungal rotation therapy, using Oreganol (mediterranian

>oregano, don't use any other orgegano oils, just this one), olive

>leaf, grapefruit seed extract, or any other

>antifungal...frankensence, myrhh, etc...in rotation. Be sure to up

>probiotics in between dosing times. Do this, and if things seem to be

>working and evening out, gradually reduce, very gradually reduce the

>antifungals one at a time, trick that yeast, trick the body, when the

>yeast if fighting for its rights, it puts up major resistance, so

>slow is the way to go. In all best circumstances, if possible, you

>want to wean down from them, then only use these substances when

>there is a yeast flare of some sort, or in the case of some other

>illness. You will have to experiment and see how this all works for a

>bit. First worry about moving from diflucan to other antifungals and

>get on an even keel with this first.

> >

> > I hope this helps, good luck to you!

> >

> > Summer

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

>_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

>websites:

>http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

>and

>http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

This may be an ignorant question, but how do all these treatments

differenciate between the bad guys and good guys??

Does anybody know for certain if it is innocently killing off the

good guys in the long run too?

I look at this as a war...and could this be " friendly fire " ??? BUT

KILLED all the same with good intentions?

I truly do not know...but thought about this and it made me worry.

Because when we gave KiKI Nystatin....her gut began to bloat

again...which shocked me. It also made her vomit and it was special

compounded SCD safe too. Some of her autistic behavior started to re-

emerge.

I know antibiotics can't differenciate (this is why they kill off

all the good gut guys). I wonder if anybody knows....I will ask my

DAN! and GI doctor. Look forward to hearing input.

Wouldn't that be horrible if we where innocently killing the good

guys too. YIKES!

Since SCDiet starves the bad guys...this is why we are told to eat

the yogurt daily in Elaine's book...since they get hungry too and

begin to starve and die themself (good or not)..with nothing to

ferment in the gut to eat on.

The bad guys loose because they starve...and good guys are

constangly being put back in ( or should be in an adequate

manner)....so they are replaced when they die of starvation.

KiKI's tummy within 3 days of intro with SCD yogurt went back down

to normal...her thrush was gone. AND SCD safe accidophilus. Her

behavior went back to normal too. All stimming gone.

In some ways if this is the case...we are lucky, because her liver

can't do all those antifungals, she is too small, too young and to

vulnerable. Doctor will not agree to it either.

I also was wondering if cultured butter only have the SCD safe good

gut guys in it and no bad guys like bifidus??? AND is the casein

rendered harmless. If yes I would like to try..can somebody let me

know how to do this.

Antoinette

> > >

> > > Yeasts can often mutate as quickly as every 4 days. I would

start

> >an antifungal rotation therapy, using Oreganol (mediterranian

> >oregano, don't use any other orgegano oils, just this one), olive

> >leaf, grapefruit seed extract, or any other

> >antifungal...frankensence, myrhh, etc...in rotation. Be sure to up

> >probiotics in between dosing times. Do this, and if things seem

to be

> >working and evening out, gradually reduce, very gradually reduce

the

> >antifungals one at a time, trick that yeast, trick the body, when

the

> >yeast if fighting for its rights, it puts up major resistance, so

> >slow is the way to go. In all best circumstances, if possible, you

> >want to wean down from them, then only use these substances when

> >there is a yeast flare of some sort, or in the case of some other

> >illness. You will have to experiment and see how this all works

for a

> >bit. First worry about moving from diflucan to other antifungals

and

> >get on an even keel with this first.

> > >

> > > I hope this helps, good luck to you!

> > >

> > > Summer

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read

the book

> >_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the

following

> >websites:

> >http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> >and

> >http://www.pecanbread.com

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

summer...do you know a good brand of Caprylic Acid? A nutritionist friend

offers one called Caprin...heard of it?

Kerri

Re: Re: after diflucan . . . Summer?

> ,

>

> Caprylic acid is a great fatty acid. It is rarely very effective on its

> own, not so much a stand alone fungal treatment, in and of itself. This

> medium chain fatty acid is found in coconut and palm oils, also in

> butterfat. There is some research that indicates it works on the fungal

> and viral membranes, perhaps stiffening them, making it harder to absorb

> nutrition through their cell walls. This would make it a useful adjunct to

> any anti-fungal therapy.

>

> The cons on using it for anti-fungal use solely, it is a fatty acid, and

> is metabolized very rapidly in the fatty acid pathways. Unlike other fatty

> acids, it hits the intestines and zooms immediately into the blood,

> doesn't need to be digested. On this level, it will not work directly in

> the large intestines and colon, giving them a miss.

>

> Still, caprylic acid is useful, just metabolized too quickly, in my

> opinion. For us, we use home-made goat butter and a little coconut oil

> here or there and call it good. For someone else who would like to

> supplement with this, I suggest pairing it with another anti-fungal,

> garlic and caprylic acid, tumeric and caprylic acid, and so on. I think

> the key for any anti-fungal treatment is less is better, and using it only

> as a jump start to create a timespace for healing to happen. Changing the

> environment the yeast thrives in is more important in the long run.

> Caprylic acid is a safe addition to the everyday diet.

>

> Summer

>

>

>

> davis wrote:

> Hey Summer,

> What about caprylic acid?... I've heard good things about it... the yeast

> doesn't habituate to it.

> Agape,

>

> Gertrude Snicklegrove wrote:

> Jeni Lynn,

> There are many anti-fungals out there, I left out garlic, candex, and so

> on.

>

> You really have to get a feel for this yourself, what will work. Just

> work up slow.

>

> I do not trust GSE in any store (I can't say good or bad), but some

> companies use solvents for grapefruit seed extraction. The only place I

> will get GSE from is

> www.mountainroseherbs.com $9 for 1 ounce. I don't know what

> anti-fungals you plan to use, but you can order many anti-fungal herbs,

> like olive leaf, and tincture up yourself or make a tea.

>

> The quality in storebought powdered herbs seems to be very low, as

> essential oils are often very volatile and easily oxidize.

>

> Some people use Candizyme and Candigone, also Candidase, but Candex seems

> to be supreme in this area, in my opinion.

>

> Soon, I would like to trial Virastop with Candidase together for myself,

> I don't know the outcome.

>

> The features you want is freshness in regards to herbs, and for enzymes,

> basically what works.

>

> Oreganol is in a class by itself, some oregano oils are made from

> american oregano, " Origanum vulgare " , which is a wonderful digestive aid,

> but not the powerful anti-fungal. The anti-fungal one is made from Greek

> oregano known as Origanum heracleoticum. I am growing my own, and my

> project is going to be to make my own oregano oil that is fresher and

> strong. Freshness is key.

>

> There is also Origanum majorana, also known as Marjoram, which some

> companies combine with Orignaum vulgare (wild american oregano), great

> supplement, but not the one.

>

> Summer

>

> furryhalfpint wrote:

> Hey Summer!

>

> Do I get all these things from the HFS? Another listmate responded

> saying to use GSE Citricidal and Candizyme from Candigone. Do your

> supplements need to be certain brands or have certain " features " ?

>

> Thanks!

> Jeni Lynn

>

>

>>

>> Yeasts can often mutate as quickly as every 4 days. I would start

> an antifungal rotation therapy, using Oreganol (mediterranian

> oregano, don't use any other orgegano oils, just this one), olive

> leaf, grapefruit seed extract, or any other

> antifungal...frankensence, myrhh, etc...in rotation. Be sure to up

> probiotics in between dosing times. Do this, and if things seem to be

> working and evening out, gradually reduce, very gradually reduce the

> antifungals one at a time, trick that yeast, trick the body, when the

> yeast if fighting for its rights, it puts up major resistance, so

> slow is the way to go. In all best circumstances, if possible, you

> want to wean down from them, then only use these substances when

> there is a yeast flare of some sort, or in the case of some other

> illness. You will have to experiment and see how this all works for a

> bit. First worry about moving from diflucan to other antifungals and

> get on an even keel with this first.

>>

>> I hope this helps, good luck to you!

>>

>> Summer

>>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

> _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

> websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

>

>

>