Re: BILE from Laurie's Husband

[Guest guest]

Thanks for all the nice sites.

dmalony@... wrote:

>

> Whew !! So what does Laurie's husband think of all this? I

> think that IF YOU HAVE IT, reflux is something to be a little more

> concerned about for folks who have had the MGB, because there is less

> distance between the bile duct and the stomach than with the RY, thus

> a higher chance that the combination of bile and acid reflux

> together. BUT That is ONLY if you have reflux !!

Well, you're wrong, because the MGB actually cures reflux. I had reflux

before this surgery bad enough it would wake me up at night, even, as

did several others, and since surgery, it's gone -- and that is

*immediately* after surgery, not due to massive weight loss. About four

patients besides I did even posted messages about this.

Additionally, didn't you read what Dr. Rutledge posted yesterday about

this?

He has ZERO patients with esophagitis/GERDS, etc. post surgery.

Additionally, he has established that there have been ZERO studies that

show there is a problem with bile reflux after the Bilroth II procedure.

Last, but not least, you are comparing apples to oranges anyway, because

his surgery is not the same as the Nissen Fundoplication, either.

You've gotten into a tizzy over absolutely nothing.

Kind regards,

[Guest guest]

> >

> > Whew !! So what does Laurie's husband think of all this? I

> > think that IF YOU HAVE IT, reflux is something to be a little more

> > concerned about for folks who have had the MGB, because there is

less

> > distance between the bile duct and the stomach than with the RY,

thus

> > a higher chance that the combination of bile and acid reflux

> > together. BUT That is ONLY if you have reflux !!

>

' If I read Carl's reply correctly he is saying that if you

have had

the mgb and in if by chance you have acid reflux, then you should be

more careful and follow it closely. I didn't get the sense he was

saying the mgb would cause more incidence of it. Thanks

Marjory

[Guest guest]

> > >

> > > Whew !! So what does Laurie's husband think of all this?

I

> > > think that IF YOU HAVE IT, reflux is something to be a little

more

> > > concerned about for folks who have had the MGB, because there

is

> less

> > > distance between the bile duct and the stomach than with the

RY,

> thus

> > > a higher chance that the combination of bile and acid reflux

> > > together. BUT That is ONLY if you have reflux !!

> >

>

> ' If I read Carl's reply correctly he is saying that if you

> have had

> the mgb and in if by chance you have acid reflux, then you should

be

> more careful and follow it closely. I didn't get the sense he was

> saying the mgb would cause more incidence of it. Thanks

> Marjory

Exactly!! You missed the point, . Although he didn't spell it

out. He cared enough about me to take Dr. R's challenge to all of us

yesterday or Saturday and look at the literature out there on Bile

Reflux and GERD. And he came to the same conclusion as Dr. R. was

trying to make!!! That is that GERD is actually more risky than Bile

reflux, but none of the other surgeons are giving any weight to that

and some of their procedures cause GERD.

We are aware of all af the great news about how you and everyone else

has had relief from GERD. Dale was only saying that given the

doctors' controversy over loop procedures and Bile reflux, he doesn't

now buy the argument for the high risk of Bile reflux because the

literature points to higher risk from suffering with GERD overtime (

which he has, but he won't be having MGB because he is a lean, mean

fighting machine:0), lucky guy). But he loves me and is supportive

and involved and I think I'll keep him for awhile. The sweetie in

his

other post was just trying to " protect my honor " .

He's ready for me to have the MGB tomorrow now! Don't miss that from

his first few paragraphs.

I am up at this ungodly hour because of my neuropathy pain from

Diabetes. This is when I do a lot of my reading. HAs anyone out

there had foot neuropathy - burning pain, numbness, tingling, nerve

popping from uncontrolled Diabetes and had it reverse or at least

stop

progressing after surgery and cure of blood sugar levels??? I am

tired of the pain and the sleep deprivation. It makes it hard to

keep

up with an active 16 month old. She's my biggest motivation to have

this surgery and get as healthy as possible.

I know it was very late when all these posts came up last night and

we

were all pretty tired, but it was my turn to defend my man. He's a

keeper! And he is not in a tizzy. I asked him to share his

findings with everybody and after 13 hours of working overtime

yesterday, he came home and worked several hours on putting all the

links and his post together for me (us).

Laurie in OHio

[Guest guest]

Hey Laurie: I have only scanned the posts...because I already had the MGB,

because I

believed Dr. R from the first time I read his writings, because I have had acid

reflux and

needed and got a cure, and because since I retired I've become a slug and have a

short

attention span.

But my take is that you did lots of research...and this is a good thing. My

other observation is

that you are married to a wonderful man who loves you and this is a good

thing...

And in my mind, not much else really matters..except of course that 16-month old

who needs

you to be around to raise her.

So there's my very shallow, no-research conclusion. And I thank you for taking

the time to

do the research, to pass it along, and for " allowing " your husband to post about

it too. My

daughter is going to have this surgery too. Intelligent analytical people who

are doing all this

work then posting are helping me to feel more at ease about my daughter having

the surgery

so that she can really participate with her three little ones (one of whom is 16

mos. old and

whew..he takes a lot of participation). I decided to let the research and

analysis stay in the

hands of those most suited to do it. Because I'm too busy enjoying doing all of

the things I put

off for 50 years because I was to obese to do them!

So thanks from me. And thanks to your husband from me. And give your baby a hug.

I know

when all is said and done this is the surgery you will opt for...it's the only

thing that makes

sense.

Flo from land

Florence Ballengee

Hollywood, land

florence@...

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[Guest guest]

dmalony@... wrote:

>

>

> > > >

> > > > Whew !! So what does Laurie's husband think of all this?

> I

> > > > think that IF YOU HAVE IT, reflux is something to be a little

> more

> > > > concerned about for folks who have had the MGB, because there

> is

> > less

> > > > distance between the bile duct and the stomach than with the

> RY,

> > thus

> > > > a higher chance that the combination of bile and acid reflux

> > > > together. BUT That is ONLY if you have reflux !!

> > >

> >

> > ' If I read Carl's reply correctly he is saying that if you

> > have had

> > the mgb and in if by chance you have acid reflux, then you should

> be

> > more careful and follow it closely. I didn't get the sense he was

> > saying the mgb would cause more incidence of it. Thanks

> > Marjory

>

> Exactly!! You missed the point, . Although he didn't spell it

> out. He cared enough about me to take Dr. R's challenge to all of us

> yesterday or Saturday and look at the literature out there on Bile

> Reflux and GERD. And he came to the same conclusion as Dr. R. was

> trying to make!!! That is that GERD is actually more risky than Bile

> reflux, but none of the other surgeons are giving any weight to that

> and some of their procedures cause GERD.

>

> We are aware of all af the great news about how you and everyone else

> has had relief from GERD. Dale was only saying that given the

> doctors' controversy over loop procedures and Bile reflux, he doesn't

> now buy the argument for the high risk of Bile reflux because the

> literature points to higher risk from suffering with GERD overtime (

> which he has, but he won't be having MGB because he is a lean, mean

> fighting machine:0), lucky guy). But he loves me and is supportive

> and involved and I think I'll keep him for awhile. The sweetie in

> his

> other post was just trying to " protect my honor " .

>

> He's ready for me to have the MGB tomorrow now! Don't miss that from

> his first few paragraphs.

>

> I am up at this ungodly hour because of my neuropathy pain from

> Diabetes. This is when I do a lot of my reading. HAs anyone out

> there had foot neuropathy - burning pain, numbness, tingling, nerve

> popping from uncontrolled Diabetes and had it reverse or at least

> stop

> progressing after surgery and cure of blood sugar levels??? I am

> tired of the pain and the sleep deprivation. It makes it hard to

> keep

> up with an active 16 month old. She's my biggest motivation to have

> this surgery and get as healthy as possible.

>

> I know it was very late when all these posts came up last night and

> we

> were all pretty tired, but it was my turn to defend my man. He's a

> keeper! And he is not in a tizzy. I asked him to share his

> findings with everybody and after 13 hours of working overtime

> yesterday, he came home and worked several hours on putting all the

> links and his post together for me (us).

>

> Laurie in OHio

>

No, I didn't miss the point. He was " warning " us of a nonexistant

hazard based on faulty research.

As has been pointed out to *both* of you, the MGB *cures* reflux.

[Guest guest]

Hi Laurie and Husband,

I enjoyed reading both your posts. Tell your husband thank you for posting his

research, thoughts and feelings about the MGB on here. My husband does not

post, but he reads a lot of the posts, and, of course, since I am obsessed with

the MGB as most of us pre-ops are, I tell him all about the other conversations

on here (whether he wants to hear it or not! LOL). My husband is totally

supportive of me having the MGB. He loves all the research, and he is very

impressed with all the info Dr. R puts out there.

I'm waiting for insurance approval, and hoping to have the MGB the first week

in August. This is a great list to be on, and although there are sometimes

some arguments, misunderstandings, and/or hurt feelings, it is still great to

have all the information coming in and all the support from all these people

who really do understand what it is like to be morbidly obese. This list is

full of a bunch of intelligent, well-informed sweethearts. Since this is

really a life and death matter for us (since we know our chances of dying are

much greater than the average as long as we are morbidly obese) then I think it

is understandable that emotions sometimes run very high.

I'm glad to have you on this list. Let us know how things go for you as you

move toward having the MGB.

Thanks,

Sara

waiting for insurance approval

[Guest guest]

Hi Laurie !

I agree !! He's DEFINATELY a keeper !! I have no clue if your foot

neuropathy will go away after surgery...I sure hope it does..and suspect it

just might !

I am so amazed at how wonderfully intelligent everyone on this list

is...just think of the brain power here !!!!!

Take care !

>From: dmalony@...

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>Subject: Re: BILE from Laurie's Husband

>Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 09:24:43 -0000

>

>

> > > >

> > > > Whew !! So what does Laurie's husband think of all this?

> I

> > > > think that IF YOU HAVE IT, reflux is something to be a little

>more

> > > > concerned about for folks who have had the MGB, because there

>is

> > less

> > > > distance between the bile duct and the stomach than with the

>RY,

> > thus

> > > > a higher chance that the combination of bile and acid reflux

> > > > together. BUT That is ONLY if you have reflux !!

> > >

> >

> > ' If I read Carl's reply correctly he is saying that if you

> > have had

> > the mgb and in if by chance you have acid reflux, then you should

>be

> > more careful and follow it closely. I didn't get the sense he was

> > saying the mgb would cause more incidence of it. Thanks

> > Marjory

>

>

>Exactly!! You missed the point, . Although he didn't spell it

>out. He cared enough about me to take Dr. R's challenge to all of us

>yesterday or Saturday and look at the literature out there on Bile

>Reflux and GERD. And he came to the same conclusion as Dr. R. was

>trying to make!!! That is that GERD is actually more risky than Bile

>reflux, but none of the other surgeons are giving any weight to that

>and some of their procedures cause GERD.

>

>We are aware of all af the great news about how you and everyone else

>has had relief from GERD. Dale was only saying that given the

>doctors' controversy over loop procedures and Bile reflux, he doesn't

>now buy the argument for the high risk of Bile reflux because the

>literature points to higher risk from suffering with GERD overtime (

>which he has, but he won't be having MGB because he is a lean, mean

>fighting machine:0), lucky guy). But he loves me and is supportive

>and involved and I think I'll keep him for awhile. The sweetie in

>his

>other post was just trying to " protect my honor " .

>

>He's ready for me to have the MGB tomorrow now! Don't miss that from

>his first few paragraphs.

>

>I am up at this ungodly hour because of my neuropathy pain from

>Diabetes. This is when I do a lot of my reading. HAs anyone out

>there had foot neuropathy - burning pain, numbness, tingling, nerve

>popping from uncontrolled Diabetes and had it reverse or at least

>stop

>progressing after surgery and cure of blood sugar levels??? I am

>tired of the pain and the sleep deprivation. It makes it hard to

>keep

>up with an active 16 month old. She's my biggest motivation to have

>this surgery and get as healthy as possible.

>

>I know it was very late when all these posts came up last night and

>we

>were all pretty tired, but it was my turn to defend my man. He's a

>keeper! And he is not in a tizzy. I asked him to share his

>findings with everybody and after 13 hours of working overtime

>yesterday, he came home and worked several hours on putting all the

>links and his post together for me (us).

>

>Laurie in OHio

>

>

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