Re: I resign for now WAS: Dr. Houston/protease

[Guest guest]

Dear and to all it may concern,

Dr. Houston also agreed with Elaine and our GI specialist, saying that once our

intestines heal from erosion and celiac disease that we will possibly NOT NEED

THE HELP OF ENZYMES. Especially since our pancreatic functions are normal.

Again, He said NOT TO USE THE PROTEASE, if you have known erosion or pain when

trying it! Not to go Low-n-slow....TO NOT USE IT until the gut heals! IF it is

even needed. He said eating a strict SCDIET that many autistic kids DO NOT NEED

ENZYMES, that they only need them if they are eating the GFCFSF diets...or

cheating or have made an accident in their SCDiet.

I hope that everyone is reading their BTVC books about how Elaine thought ALL

autistic kids had undiagnosed celiac or malabsorption....being caused by erosion

and damaged INJURED intestines.

*******Elaine is the one NOT ME, who feared using protease!!! That it should

not be using PROTEASE until their guts heal....if ever.

You see the very nature of the SCDIET makes everything a monosaccharide,

therefore ready for absorption from the intestines. The only enzyme that may be

needed in the beginning is LIPASE. The amylase is even a waste of money...if

you are eating a strict SCDIET...since all the starch is removed!

*******Therefore these expensive enzymes are a waste of money and can cause pain

and diarrhea.....since they have protease, amylase and things in them that

ELAINE did not promote.

After this post I am resigning from pecan bread for a while. To heal Elaine's

way and BTVC way....and not this DAN! protocol way or enzyme way.

THANK GOD I QUESTIONED THIS GOAT YOGURT< ENZYME THING! (that caused us pain!)

For those who want to know when it came to helping our autistic kids Elaine did

not like:

a.. Expensive DAN! tests.

b.. The use of enzymes

c.. Cheating or not using Fanatical Adherence

d.. Chelation Therapies (she saw many children back slide that where having

success with ONLY the SCDiet...this broke her heart!)

e.. NOT Using the GOAT YOGURT because of uncalled for fear of casein that is

rendered harmless in a batch of 24 hour SCD yogurt! You see for those that are

looking for the " magic bullet " the yogurt is it! AND SHE KNEW IT...many

autistic kids have gotten better if not lost their diagnosis using the goat

yogurt!

KEEP IT SIMPLE AND DO WHAT IS PROVEN TO WORK....let go of all those fears and go

for it like we did....and it is paying off! SAVE your money, don't do the

expensive tests .....when you heal the SCD way ELAINE said you won't need the

results anyway!

With the casein rendered harmless and safe to use in the 24 hour SCD goat

yogurt we are seeing REMARKABLE RESULTS IN THE LAST 48 hours in KIKI! AND she

is eating bowls full and after the initial good die off (that needed activated

charcoal and soaks in Epson Salt tub), is acting like a different girl!

WE ARE GETTING OUR KIKI back without all these expensive interventions Elaine's

way. GOD BLESS YOU ALL WHO ARE DOING IT DIFFERENTLY.

So don't fight or dispute with me any more...fight with Elaine...if you could.

I resign for now! THE MESSENGER IS TIRED OF BEING SHOT!

If anybody wants to contact me please do it off serve.

ajbunce@...

Sincerely Antoinette

Re: Dr. Houston/protease

>>>>He suggested that if it is causing burning and pain that we do

not use the protease for now.

Yes, this is what is outlined in the Great Low-n-Slow Method. Don't

do lots of proteases right off.

>>>> He also said that we may not want to mess with the enzymes if

you are on a strict SCDiet.

That is always an option....there are many alternative ways to do

something. That is one. Since HNI is a supplement vendor, the company

is really in a position to comment on their own products...not other

company's products. If they feel their own products are not needed or

would be helpful, that's fine.

>>>>That some take enzymes just to aid digestion, that we may want to

try them later after we heal, since all of his have protease in them.

I don't believe No-Fenol (HNI product) has proteases in it. It is not

on the label.

A list of enzymes without proteases or very teen tiny amounts which

can be used for overall food digestion is given below my signature.

>>> Very interesting in light of the LISTS discussion about protease

safety.

I don't see this as a contradiction. It continues to support the 'low-

n-slow' approach and that of SCD (intro first, yogurt later started

in gradual amounts).

>>>Moral of story: Elaine was right again. If you have erosive

colitis or advanced celiac disease, protease may not be your

digestive enzyme of choice.

As I said before, I had some very good conversations over the years

with Elaine on the topic of enzymes. She was definitely not against

enzymes, or proteases, from my experience. If you have had personal

contact with her that pointed otherwise, please let me know. However,

I am rather uncomfortable discussing what Elaine said and meant, and

using her name, when she is not around any more to comment personally.

And yes, proteases may not be what you want to do initially...or even

at all. This is outlined in the Low-n-Slow and SCD starter programs.

I don't see a disagreement here.

It's also okay to just not want to do something without having an

iron-clad reason why it is harmful. I don't do many supplements or

programs others do, but it doesn't mean there is something really

aweful or harmful about them.

Best wishes to you and Kiki...and fast gut healing.

.

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Enzyme products you could use for general food digestion

without proteases, here are some with the manufacturer given in

parenthesis:

1. AcidSoothe (Enzymedica) - no proteases, soothes injust guts or

acid stomach, does contain some herbs so check if the herbs are

suitable for you (I'm pretty sure the the herbs are not okay on SCD).

Contains papaya leaf which I understand is used as an herb here and

not as protease extract. Link:

http://www.enzymedica.com/gastroesophageal_reflux.php<http://www.enzymedica.com/\

gastroesophageal_reflux.php>

2. Candex (Pure Essence, US version without proteases) - I realize

this is marketed for yeast but it can work as a broad-spectrum

product (however probably not that robust a one, which you may want

in the beginning)Link at iherb:

http://www.papanature.com/store/ProductDetails.aspx?c=Herbs & pid=PUR-<http://www.\

papanature.com/store/ProductDetails.aspx?c=Herbs & pid=PUR->

00902

3. GastricEase (Wellzymes, Enzymes Inc) - this has herbs and a teeny

tiny miniscule amount of proteases. Link:

http://www.buyenzymes.com/t-<http://www.buyenzymes.com/t->

wzgastricease.aspx

4. Carb Digest (Kirkman) - Link:

http://www.kirkmanlabs.com/products/enzymes/enzym_dppiv/CarbDigest_Iso<http://ww\

w.kirkmanlabs.com/products/enzymes/enzym_dppiv/CarbDigest_Iso>

gest.html

5. Phenol Assist (Kirkman) - marketed for phenols, but contains a

variety of enzymes that may work for broad-spectrum on foods

including amylases. Link:

http://www.kirkmanlabs.com/products/enzymes/phenol/phenol_bp835.html<http://www.\

kirkmanlabs.com/products/enzymes/phenol/phenol_bp835.html>

NOTE: Pancreatin and pancreatic enzymes do contain a set ratio of

proteases.

NOTE 2: Although Lacto (Enzymedica) has a very very low amount of

proteases (relative to the million units most products have), this

one has worked exceedingly well for sensitive guts.

Please let me know what you end up trying and how it works out.

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info<http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/\

>

and

http://www.pecanbread.com<http://www.pecanbread.com/>