Re: Mystery SOLVED Coconut Yogurt/Goat Yogurt/DIE OFF REACTION!

[Guest guest]

I am a bit confused. Can you just sum up the conclusions of your experience in a

sentence.

It is okay to have dairy or coconut yogurt if you are ASD?

Mystery SOLVED Coconut Yogurt/Goat Yogurt/DIE OFF

REACTION!

Hey guys, and all our dear MODERATORS,

Thank you all for helping us to unravel this mystery!

Our coconut kefir experiment blew up in our face! We made the yogurt from

home made pasteurized coconut milk (to reassure all the bad bacteria and things

where dead), and added a yogurt starter that was diary free. It was delicious

and we drank the entire thing. So good, wanted to make more!

Thinking that if it was casein free...we would be OK.........WRONG! Now I

know why Elaine didn't want us using the kefir in the beginning of our SCDiet.

WE got to learn the hard way! It's because it causes a Horrendous die off, a

miserable one. Nothing gentle about it.

We stopped eating the goat yogurt because we justified that it had to be the

casein in the starter (made from cow dairy)....then we made the goat yogurt from

starter that was cow dairy free.....no difference. Still had strange behavior

changes. Blamed it all on casein! So justified using coconut or almond

yogurt/kefirs.

Then drank the coconut kefir....and had the die off of a life time. Having

the strangest looking poop! For those who like to talk about poop!

GUESS WHAT GUYS....it was the same reaction that we thought we where having

from casein! Both the coconut kefir and the goat yogurt made both cow casein

free and with a little cow casein in the started caused the same symptoms!:

a.. rage attacks, irritability, strange behavior, hyper activity, being

incompliant, ill behaved, not listening.

b.. Feeling sleepy, spacey, forgetful, " drunk " and toxic!

c.. strange skin rashes, that appear to be die off

d.. Dizzy, flue like, stomach aces, cramping, achy, nauseas, plan sick, head

aches

e.. Strange looking poop that looks like die off!

This was DIE OFF not A casein reaction!

I hope in the future that Pecan Bread makes this more clear in their web site.

This could be very helpful to others, and would have been very helpful to our

family. But our experiment now made what Elaine was trying to tell us CRYSTAL

CLEAR.

To top this off then I read that Elaine said that the casein is rendered

Harmless when we turn the goat milk into SCD yogurt! This too needs to be on

the front page of the web site. Because it took us two months to figure this

out the hard way! Some may never figure it out, due to their paranoia over

casein! God know we had a case of this paranoia.

Elaine swore by the yogurt, and was a little upset that the asd community was

so fearful of casein. Because many many autistic kids and kids on the spectrum

have healed using the yogurt. Yes, some have lost their diagnosis! It is a

very healthy and wholesome food. And is a MAJOR part of the success those are

having on the SCDiet! Without this yogurt success can be compromised and not as

good! This is a shame to those that this has happened to. But un like us

learned this lesson and now can heal Elaine's way. With the hope of our

daughter loosing her diagnosis of autism.

We are going back to our goat yogurt. But to control behavior problems from

die off will takes others suggestion of not eating a Bowel full, and starting

much slower. At least until some of those bad guys had died at a little slower

pace. That is if we haven't killed them all with this last killer die off that

made us all feel like we where the ones dieing! Oh, we got so sick!

When they die all at once...or in high numbers their toxins that they release

make a person soooooo very sick! Thank God for Activated Charcoal. A must

have for anybody with this type of die off!

Hope this helps others in the future, and motivates Pecan Bread to explain

this better on their web site. Please anybody contact us personally, we do want

this to change. So many parents need to know this information.

This casein paranoia needs to stop. So Pecan Bread can save more lives. It

is because of this casein paranoia that we didn't do the SCDiet sooner (over

nine months ago!). This was the very reason I put the book down. Then I

learned that you could do SCD diary free. So we tried it.

We all need to know that the casein is rendered harmless with fermentation!

So unless it is a true allergy that causes anaphylaxis....we can all enjoy it!

Because Elaine said that as the gut heals the sensitivities to many food

disappear too! That it is a T cell response, thanks to the vicious cycle in the

gut and NOT a typical allergy response (IgE, IgA, IgG)! This needs to be put

down on the web sit for us beginners. After all Elaine said it, and this is her

SCDiet (that she rescued from S.V. Hass M.D. who saved her daughter Judy's life)

that is continuing to save more lives as we speak.

Sincerely and to all, Antoinette and her Silly Yaks at the Bunce Zoo (2 mo

plus SCD entire family of FIVE and healing from celiac disease/malabsorption and

ASD...Elaine Gottschall's way and no other...because we trust her, and our

getting our sanity back....and our KiKi back from the depths of autism! OUR

guts are finnaly healing when the GFCFSF diet did not work, YEAH! God Bless you

Elaine!)

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info<http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/\

>

and

http://www.pecanbread.com<http://www.pecanbread.com/>

[Guest guest]

Dear Tara,

According to Elaine Gottschall, CASEIN IS RENDERED HARMLESS WHEN YOU FOLLOW THE

procedures of making SCD yogurt; there for if you want to try the goat

yogurt....don't fear the casein any more.

Wow I did it in one sentence! This was tough....for me! Hope this helps.

Antoinette

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info<http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/\

>

and

http://www.pecanbread.com<http://www.pecanbread.com/>

[Guest guest]

It depends on the particular child. I will not give my child (with ASD),

dairy of any kind. Coconut yogurt (or nut yogurts) are a good alternative to

the dairy yogurt if your child is autistic and you are avoiding dairy. Some

children with autism do ok with goat yogurt, some do not.

Kelli

SAHM to Kai 3 1/2- ASD and Tatum 1 1/2 NT

SCD since 5/05, off for 3 months, back on 3/10/06

_____

From: pecanbread [mailto:pecanbread ] On

Behalf Of Tara

Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 3:59 PM

To: pecanbread

Subject: Re: Mystery SOLVED Coconut Yogurt/Goat Yogurt/DIE OFF

REACTION!

I am a bit confused. Can you just sum up the conclusions of your experience

in a sentence.

It is okay to have dairy or coconut yogurt if you are ASD?

Mystery SOLVED Coconut Yogurt/Goat Yogurt/DIE OFF

REACTION!

Hey guys, and all our dear MODERATORS,

Thank you all for helping us to unravel this mystery!

Our coconut kefir experiment blew up in our face! We made the yogurt from

home made pasteurized coconut milk (to reassure all the bad bacteria and

things where dead), and added a yogurt starter that was diary free. It was

delicious and we drank the entire thing. So good, wanted to make more!

Thinking that if it was casein free...we would be OK.........WRONG! Now I

know why Elaine didn't want us using the kefir in the beginning of our

SCDiet. WE got to learn the hard way! It's because it causes a Horrendous

die off, a miserable one. Nothing gentle about it.

We stopped eating the goat yogurt because we justified that it had to be

the casein in the starter (made from cow dairy)....then we made the goat

yogurt from starter that was cow dairy free.....no difference. Still had

strange behavior changes. Blamed it all on casein! So justified using

coconut or almond yogurt/kefirs.

Then drank the coconut kefir....and had the die off of a life time.

Having the strangest looking poop! For those who like to talk about poop!

GUESS WHAT GUYS....it was the same reaction that we thought we where

having from casein! Both the coconut kefir and the goat yogurt made both

cow casein free and with a little cow casein in the started caused the same

symptoms!:

a.. rage attacks, irritability, strange behavior, hyper activity, being

incompliant, ill behaved, not listening.

b.. Feeling sleepy, spacey, forgetful, " drunk " and toxic!

c.. strange skin rashes, that appear to be die off

d.. Dizzy, flue like, stomach aces, cramping, achy, nauseas, plan sick,

head aches

e.. Strange looking poop that looks like die off!

This was DIE OFF not A casein reaction!

I hope in the future that Pecan Bread makes this more clear in their web

site. This could be very helpful to others, and would have been very

helpful to our family. But our experiment now made what Elaine was trying

to tell us CRYSTAL CLEAR.

To top this off then I read that Elaine said that the casein is rendered

Harmless when we turn the goat milk into SCD yogurt! This too needs to be

on the front page of the web site. Because it took us two months to figure

this out the hard way! Some may never figure it out, due to their paranoia

over casein! God know we had a case of this paranoia.

Elaine swore by the yogurt, and was a little upset that the asd community

was so fearful of casein. Because many many autistic kids and kids on the

spectrum have healed using the yogurt. Yes, some have lost their diagnosis!

It is a very healthy and wholesome food. And is a MAJOR part of the success

those are having on the SCDiet! Without this yogurt success can be

compromised and not as good! This is a shame to those that this has

happened to. But un like us learned this lesson and now can heal Elaine's

way. With the hope of our daughter loosing her diagnosis of autism.

We are going back to our goat yogurt. But to control behavior problems

from die off will takes others suggestion of not eating a Bowel full, and

starting much slower. At least until some of those bad guys had died at a

little slower pace. That is if we haven't killed them all with this last

killer die off that made us all feel like we where the ones dieing! Oh, we

got so sick!

When they die all at once...or in high numbers their toxins that they

release make a person soooooo very sick! Thank God for Activated Charcoal.

A must have for anybody with this type of die off!

Hope this helps others in the future, and motivates Pecan Bread to explain

this better on their web site. Please anybody contact us personally, we do

want this to change. So many parents need to know this information.

This casein paranoia needs to stop. So Pecan Bread can save more lives.

It is because of this casein paranoia that we didn't do the SCDiet sooner

(over nine months ago!). This was the very reason I put the book down.

Then I learned that you could do SCD diary free. So we tried it.

We all need to know that the casein is rendered harmless with

fermentation! So unless it is a true allergy that causes anaphylaxis....we

can all enjoy it! Because Elaine said that as the gut heals the

sensitivities to many food disappear too! That it is a T cell response,

thanks to the vicious cycle in the gut and NOT a typical allergy response

(IgE, IgA, IgG)! This needs to be put down on the web sit for us beginners.

After all Elaine said it, and this is her SCDiet (that she rescued from S.V.

Hass M.D. who saved her daughter Judy's life) that is continuing to save

more lives as we speak.

Sincerely and to all, Antoinette and her Silly Yaks at the Bunce Zoo (2 mo

plus SCD entire family of FIVE and healing from celiac disease/malabsorption

and ASD...Elaine Gottschall's way and no other...because we trust her, and

our getting our sanity back....and our KiKi back from the depths of autism!

OUR guts are finnaly healing when the GFCFSF diet did not work, YEAH! God

Bless you Elaine!)

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info<http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.i

nfo/>

and

http://www.pecanbread.com<http://www.pecanbread.com/>