Guest guest Posted May 7, 2006 Report Share Posted May 7, 2006 To all, In Elaine's book Breaking the vicious cycle....she says that if it causes a distressing side affect to remove the food temporary and try again in a month or so after the gut heals for a while...and the immune system is given a break from undigested proteins getting through the injured gut. She did know that some could not tolerate some things with out serious distress. This is why the intro diet is so simple. We did it for 10 days...we could not digest much else. After that we had to have every thing cooked and not nuts fours. There where some day's just like with Dr. Haas's children that KiKi ate not much than several Banananas and did fine. Me and her could not tolerate nut flours or much raw fruits and vegies untill just recently. We are 2+ months out. Elaine says that what the body CAN NOT DIGEST DOES HARM....this means to go slow. The stages help much that are offered on pecan bread as guidelines, and even they can be adjusted to specific preference. A journal is the most helpful, we have found, and watching the condition of the poop. We are adding much variety now, and are greatful. We too had nose bleeds, easy bruising and such. Within the first month + these vanished. Our DAN! thought it to be more of a vitamin K and B situation. He did not offer supplementation fo the K (told us to eat as much foods that we could as tolerated, he loved and trusted Elaine) yet offered supplementation for the B and told us to use the Carson and Nordic Naturals fish oils. Our GI specialists prescribed B12 nasal spray/gel and we took the SCD Freeda Multivitamins and Freed B complex and this worked well in resolving this problem with our metabolism and break down of foods. It is very important to rememeber that with this SCDiet the GOAL is to ADD foods not take them AWAY. This does not mean all in one week....go slow like we did. Just like Elaine says to do in her book, and so does Pecan Bread.....Elaine never meant for us to eat everything right away in the recipe section in her book, and she tells us this. She even tells you once you can tolerate the nut flours to limit your amount to just three muffins (or equal comparison) a day. THESE kids and grown ups that are heaing out of inmjured gut situations need all the allowed nutrients that we can handle....digesting them safely and with no signs of undigested foods in the feces. KiKI was horrible malnourished, even developing scurvy (sores on lips and inside mouth) and rickets (her legs are healing from starting to bow) thanks to malabsorption. Sometimes it is a defeciency that causes problems with metabolizing such things as Phenol, and oxylates and food in general. B12 defeciency plays a huge role in the correct digestion of foods and our fight againts the bad gut guys. So those of us with a vicious cycle still " fueling " and utilize HUGE amounts of this vitamin. And yes, thank God we are growing out of our sensitiviities. I hope that we all do. It does take the strictest " fanatical adherance " that Elaine suggested...although a pain...worth not being in pain anymore...and seeing our daughter emerge from the cave of autism. We where casien free too (for almost 5 years! thanks to ADHD son and ADD husband...and IBS in me, GERD in my two babies), until I realized that the casien in the 24 hour goat yogurt is rendered harmless and can not cause the casomorphine reaction in us. The die off was miserable, but much needed...get the activated charcoal and epson salt baths if you go this route...it sped up the healing process for our little KiKi. Some say to wait with the yogurt and thanks to thier situaltion they can. Our KiKi was in a celiac crises when we joined this team...we needed to act fast. THe yogurt I feel saved her...and repopulated her gut FASTER than if we had just used probiotics. She is doing well. And my son and I who react to casein has not done so with the goat yogurt. l dizzy, flue like and nausea...this But again it causes die off in some of us. Not to be mistaken as a die off reaction. When the same symptoms appeared using coconut yogurt...we realized that Elaine was correct...that IT WAS NOT THE CASEIN in the yogurt. It couldn't be I thought...coconuts don't have casine as we all know...it was the die off reaction that we where having to the goat yogurt....that made us think it was the CASEIN! WHEN it couldn't be. I don't know about the cheeses yet. Some say that the caseine is less due to fermentation and cheese making process. Some say in some cheese it could be zero. We will wait and see. But as I have already shared. As the gut heals...these strange sensitivities vanish anyways on this SCDiet. So we too continue to hope that our sensitivites vanish...and at three months will try goat cheese again. I will keep you guys posted on our experiment with cheese that is coming up. Sincerely Antoinette and the SCDers at the Silly Yaks at the BUNCE ZOO. (2+ months out entire family SCD, casien converts....family problems celiac/injured intestines that lead to out right autism and ASD problems/mental illness...all healing finnaly when no other way worked...and we experiemented sadly for 1.5 years with GFCFSF and more...the entire time KiKI's brain was starving (autistic 23 month old)...I wish I had known...or trusted SCD sooner!) > > Thanks for all that replied. > > Carrots, many squashes and beet will not work since they are medium > or high oxalate and my daughter cannot tolerate it. She is still > casein free so no cheese either, but I will try that some time later > when she gets better. I will definitely check out the mushrooms and > zucchini chips. > > Someone wrote that oxalate issues and phenol issues will go away if > you follow SCD religiously and suggested to continue giving all these > food on rotation. I sure hope these issues go away soon and we do > follow SCD strictly. However, my daughter reacts to oxalate food the > moment she ate it. She had nose bleed when she ate beets. She was > terribly sick on SCD Intro Diet because of the carrots in the chicken > soup. She has been on SCD for 5 months and her digestion is not > healed yet. She actually got worse AFTER she began SCD UNTIL we > realised that she could not tolerate high oxalate food and phenolic > food and removed those while keeping strictly SCD. > > Yes, I think Elaine's work is great and SCD heals. But there are kids > or grown-ups who may have issues that need some extra care before the > healing takes place. > > Regards, > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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