Re: Bragg's apple cider vinegar/ Mimi

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I wouldn't consider apple cider vinegar to actually be vinegar it is

different because it is fermented, if it does bother them it is not because

it is vinegar but more because they just don't do well with it, I would

really caution with the amount, start slow like any fermented food

>

>Reply-To: pecanbread

>To: pecanbread

>Subject: Bragg's apple cider vinegar/ Mimi

>Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 14:13:40 -0000

>

>In my quest to get more fermented foods (kim chi, pickles, sauerkraut,

>yogurt) in my kids, I'm giving them 1-2 t. of apple cider vinegar in

>water twice a day?... is this ok?... will it help?...

>I was always afraid of vinegar bfoe SCD, because of yeast... but I'm

>learning that this fermented food is ok?

>Agape,

>SCD 9 months 12yo ds recovering from GAPS; 11yo dd recovering from gut

>and allegiergy issues

>

>

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Thanks ,

I'm still not clear, though... isn't regular vinegar fermented?

I think Mimi knows why som fermented foods are good and others (ie- alcohol)

aren't.

Agape,

Petrolino wrote:

I wouldn't consider apple cider vinegar to actually be vinegar it is

different because it is fermented, if it does bother them it is not because

it is vinegar but more because they just don't do well with it, I would

really caution with the amount, start slow like any fermented food

>

>Reply-To: pecanbread

>To: pecanbread

>Subject: Bragg's apple cider vinegar/ Mimi

>Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 14:13:40 -0000

>

>In my quest to get more fermented foods (kim chi, pickles, sauerkraut,

>yogurt) in my kids, I'm giving them 1-2 t. of apple cider vinegar in

>water twice a day?... is this ok?... will it help?...

>I was always afraid of vinegar bfoe SCD, because of yeast... but I'm

>learning that this fermented food is ok?

>Agape,

>SCD 9 months 12yo ds recovering from GAPS; 11yo dd recovering from gut

>and allegiergy issues

>

>

>

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I personaly would be very cautious about introducing any gut bugs

that could be in the fermented vinigars that possibly do not belong

or where not backed up bey Dr. Haas and Elaine's reserach.

God knows unless you call the company what they are using to ferment

this stuff with. If it is Bifidus or yeast Elaine DID NOT LIKE IT.

And don't use if it contains these two! Don't go slow...don't use

it.

You may have to call the company if the moderators can't tell you

that it is safe. Some of us on this serve have good intentions, but

truly do not send the message that Elaine taught us...that is proven

to work.

Sincerely, Antoinette

>

> I wouldn't consider apple cider vinegar to actually be vinegar it

is

> different because it is fermented, if it does bother them it is

not because

> it is vinegar but more because they just don't do well with it, I

would

> really caution with the amount, start slow like any fermented food

>

>

> >

> >Reply-To: pecanbread

> >To: pecanbread

> >Subject: Bragg's apple cider vinegar/ Mimi

> >Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 14:13:40 -0000

> >

> >In my quest to get more fermented foods (kim chi, pickles,

sauerkraut,

> >yogurt) in my kids, I'm giving them 1-2 t. of apple cider vinegar

in

> >water twice a day?... is this ok?... will it help?...

> >I was always afraid of vinegar bfoe SCD, because of yeast... but

I'm

> >learning that this fermented food is ok?

> >Agape,

> >SCD 9 months 12yo ds recovering from GAPS; 11yo dd recovering

from gut

> >and allegiergy issues

> >

> >

> >

>

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no regular vinegar is not fermented

>

>Reply-To: pecanbread

>To: pecanbread

>Subject: RE: Bragg's apple cider vinegar/ Mimi

>Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 07:49:58 -0700 (PDT)

>

>Thanks ,

> I'm still not clear, though... isn't regular vinegar fermented?

> I think Mimi knows why som fermented foods are good and others (ie-

>alcohol) aren't.

> Agape,

>

> Petrolino wrote:

> I wouldn't consider apple cider vinegar to actually be vinegar it is

>different because it is fermented, if it does bother them it is not because

>it is vinegar but more because they just don't do well with it, I would

>really caution with the amount, start slow like any fermented food

>

>

> >

> >Reply-To: pecanbread

> >To: pecanbread

> >Subject: Bragg's apple cider vinegar/ Mimi

> >Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 14:13:40 -0000

> >

> >In my quest to get more fermented foods (kim chi, pickles, sauerkraut,

> >yogurt) in my kids, I'm giving them 1-2 t. of apple cider vinegar in

> >water twice a day?... is this ok?... will it help?...

> >I was always afraid of vinegar bfoe SCD, because of yeast... but I'm

> >learning that this fermented food is ok?

> >Agape,

> >SCD 9 months 12yo ds recovering from GAPS; 11yo dd recovering from gut

> >and allegiergy issues

> >

> >

> >

>

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>

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>_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

>websites:

>http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

>and

>http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

>

>

>

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braggs apple cider vinegar is safe Jody uses it

>

>Reply-To: pecanbread

>To: pecanbread

>Subject: Re: Bragg's apple cider vinegar/ Mimi

>Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 14:57:23 -0000

>

>I personaly would be very cautious about introducing any gut bugs

>that could be in the fermented vinigars that possibly do not belong

>or where not backed up bey Dr. Haas and Elaine's reserach.

>

>God knows unless you call the company what they are using to ferment

>this stuff with. If it is Bifidus or yeast Elaine DID NOT LIKE IT.

>And don't use if it contains these two! Don't go slow...don't use

>it.

>

>You may have to call the company if the moderators can't tell you

>that it is safe. Some of us on this serve have good intentions, but

>truly do not send the message that Elaine taught us...that is proven

>to work.

>

>Sincerely, Antoinette

>

>

> >

> > I wouldn't consider apple cider vinegar to actually be vinegar it

>is

> > different because it is fermented, if it does bother them it is

>not because

> > it is vinegar but more because they just don't do well with it, I

>would

> > really caution with the amount, start slow like any fermented food

> >

> >

> > >

> > >Reply-To: pecanbread

> > >To: pecanbread

> > >Subject: Bragg's apple cider vinegar/ Mimi

> > >Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 14:13:40 -0000

> > >

> > >In my quest to get more fermented foods (kim chi, pickles,

>sauerkraut,

> > >yogurt) in my kids, I'm giving them 1-2 t. of apple cider vinegar

>in

> > >water twice a day?... is this ok?... will it help?...

> > >I was always afraid of vinegar bfoe SCD, because of yeast... but

>I'm

> > >learning that this fermented food is ok?

> > >Agape,

> > >SCD 9 months 12yo ds recovering from GAPS; 11yo dd recovering

>from gut

> > >and allegiergy issues

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

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Is the apple cider vinegar with the mother in it the vinegar that is fermented?

Is the cloudy stuff okay to use? Thanks Pearl

Petrolino wrote: no regular vinegar is not

fermented

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yes it must have the mother

>

>Reply-To: pecanbread

>To: pecanbread

>Subject: RE: Bragg's apple cider vinegar/ Mimi

>Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 10:04:29 -0700 (PDT)

>

>Is the apple cider vinegar with the mother in it the vinegar that is

>fermented? Is the cloudy stuff okay to use? Thanks Pearl

>

> Petrolino wrote: no regular vinegar is not

>fermented

>

>

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Thanks ,

I'll proceed, at least this is an easy way to get us a fermented food :-).

Agape,

Petrolino wrote:

braggs apple cider vinegar is safe Jody uses it

>From: " kikijabunce "

>Reply-To: pecanbread

>To: pecanbread

>Subject: Re: Bragg's apple cider vinegar/ Mimi

>Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 14:57:23 -0000

>

>I personaly would be very cautious about introducing any gut bugs

>that could be in the fermented vinigars that possibly do not belong

>or where not backed up bey Dr. Haas and Elaine's reserach.

>

>God knows unless you call the company what they are using to ferment

>this stuff with. If it is Bifidus or yeast Elaine DID NOT LIKE IT.

>And don't use if it contains these two! Don't go slow...don't use

>it.

>

>You may have to call the company if the moderators can't tell you

>that it is safe. Some of us on this serve have good intentions, but

>truly do not send the message that Elaine taught us...that is proven

>to work.

>

>Sincerely, Antoinette

>

>

> >

> > I wouldn't consider apple cider vinegar to actually be vinegar it

>is

> > different because it is fermented, if it does bother them it is

>not because

> > it is vinegar but more because they just don't do well with it, I

>would

> > really caution with the amount, start slow like any fermented food

> >

> >

> > >From: " brandijacksondavis "

> > >Reply-To: pecanbread

> > >To: pecanbread

> > >Subject: Bragg's apple cider vinegar/ Mimi

> > >Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 14:13:40 -0000

> > >

> > >In my quest to get more fermented foods (kim chi, pickles,

>sauerkraut,

> > >yogurt) in my kids, I'm giving them 1-2 t. of apple cider vinegar

>in

> > >water twice a day?... is this ok?... will it help?...

> > >I was always afraid of vinegar bfoe SCD, because of yeast... but

>I'm

> > >learning that this fermented food is ok?

> > >Agape,

> > >SCD 9 months 12yo ds recovering from GAPS; 11yo dd recovering

>from gut

> > >and allegiergy issues

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

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Oh, Okay. Regular distilled vinegar is not fermented. Got it. Thanks!

So we can have a little vinegar, like what's in 'Tabassco' sauce.

Carol posted that!

Agape,

Petrolino wrote:

no regular vinegar is not fermented

>

>Reply-To: pecanbread

>To: pecanbread

>Subject: RE: Bragg's apple cider vinegar/ Mimi

>Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 07:49:58 -0700 (PDT)

>

>Thanks ,

> I'm still not clear, though... isn't regular vinegar fermented?

> I think Mimi knows why som fermented foods are good and others (ie-

>alcohol) aren't.

> Agape,

>

> Petrolino wrote:

> I wouldn't consider apple cider vinegar to actually be vinegar it is

>different because it is fermented, if it does bother them it is not because

>it is vinegar but more because they just don't do well with it, I would

>really caution with the amount, start slow like any fermented food

>

>

> >

> >Reply-To: pecanbread

> >To: pecanbread

> >Subject: Bragg's apple cider vinegar/ Mimi

> >Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 14:13:40 -0000

> >

> >In my quest to get more fermented foods (kim chi, pickles, sauerkraut,

> >yogurt) in my kids, I'm giving them 1-2 t. of apple cider vinegar in

> >water twice a day?... is this ok?... will it help?...

> >I was always afraid of vinegar bfoe SCD, because of yeast... but I'm

> >learning that this fermented food is ok?

> >Agape,

> >SCD 9 months 12yo ds recovering from GAPS; 11yo dd recovering from gut

> >and allegiergy issues

> >

> >

> >

>

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>

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>_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

>websites:

>http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

>and

>http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oh, Okay. Regular distilled vinegar is not fermented. Got it. Thanks!

So we can have a little vinegar, like what's in 'Tabassco' sauce.

Carol posted that!

Agape,

Petrolino wrote:

no regular vinegar is not fermented

>

>Reply-To: pecanbread

>To: pecanbread

>Subject: RE: Bragg's apple cider vinegar/ Mimi

>Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 07:49:58 -0700 (PDT)

>

>Thanks ,

> I'm still not clear, though... isn't regular vinegar fermented?

> I think Mimi knows why som fermented foods are good and others (ie-

>alcohol) aren't.

> Agape,

>

> Petrolino wrote:

> I wouldn't consider apple cider vinegar to actually be vinegar it is

>different because it is fermented, if it does bother them it is not because

>it is vinegar but more because they just don't do well with it, I would

>really caution with the amount, start slow like any fermented food

>

>

> >

> >Reply-To: pecanbread

> >To: pecanbread

> >Subject: Bragg's apple cider vinegar/ Mimi

> >Date: Sat, 06 May 2006 14:13:40 -0000

> >

> >In my quest to get more fermented foods (kim chi, pickles, sauerkraut,

> >yogurt) in my kids, I'm giving them 1-2 t. of apple cider vinegar in

> >water twice a day?... is this ok?... will it help?...

> >I was always afraid of vinegar bfoe SCD, because of yeast... but I'm

> >learning that this fermented food is ok?

> >Agape,

> >SCD 9 months 12yo ds recovering from GAPS; 11yo dd recovering from gut

> >and allegiergy issues

> >

> >

> >

>

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>

>

>For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

>_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

>websites:

>http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

>and

>http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Mine says 'Mother' and is cloudy, but what does 'Mother' mean, withregard to

apple cider vinegar?

Aagpe,

Petrolino wrote:

yes it must have the mother

>From: Pearl String

>Reply-To: pecanbread

>To: pecanbread

>Subject: RE: Bragg's apple cider vinegar/ Mimi

>Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 10:04:29 -0700 (PDT)

>

>Is the apple cider vinegar with the mother in it the vinegar that is

>fermented? Is the cloudy stuff okay to use? Thanks Pearl

>

> Petrolino wrote: no regular vinegar is not

>fermented

>

>

>

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Some people don't do well with apple cider vinegar, just like some people

don't do well with banana or zucchini and some do. It just depends. If you

can tolerate it, that is great, it has alot of good minerals and enzymes

Rich in enzymes & potassium

Naturally support a healthy immune system

Helps control weight

Promotes digestion & ph Balance

Helps soothe dry throats

Helps remove body sludge toxins

The mother occurs naturally it is strand-like enzymes of connected protein

molecules.

I love it on veggies

>

>Reply-To: pecanbread

>To: pecanbread

>Subject: RE: Bragg's apple cider vinegar/ Mimi

>Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 13:41:10 -0700 (PDT)

>

>Mine says 'Mother' and is cloudy, but what does 'Mother' mean, withregard

>to apple cider vinegar?

> Aagpe,

>

> Petrolino wrote:

> yes it must have the mother

>

>

> >From: Pearl String

> >Reply-To: pecanbread

> >To: pecanbread

> >Subject: RE: Bragg's apple cider vinegar/ Mimi

> >Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 10:04:29 -0700 (PDT)

> >

> >Is the apple cider vinegar with the mother in it the vinegar that is

> >fermented? Is the cloudy stuff okay to use? Thanks Pearl

> >

> > Petrolino wrote: no regular vinegar is not

> >fermented

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Some people don't do well with apple cider vinegar, just like some people

don't do well with banana or zucchini and some do. It just depends. If you

can tolerate it, that is great, it has alot of good minerals and enzymes

Rich in enzymes & potassium

Naturally support a healthy immune system

Helps control weight

Promotes digestion & ph Balance

Helps soothe dry throats

Helps remove body sludge toxins

The mother occurs naturally it is strand-like enzymes of connected protein

molecules.

I love it on veggies

>

>Reply-To: pecanbread

>To: pecanbread

>Subject: RE: Bragg's apple cider vinegar/ Mimi

>Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 13:41:10 -0700 (PDT)

>

>Mine says 'Mother' and is cloudy, but what does 'Mother' mean, withregard

>to apple cider vinegar?

> Aagpe,

>

> Petrolino wrote:

> yes it must have the mother

>

>

> >From: Pearl String

> >Reply-To: pecanbread

> >To: pecanbread

> >Subject: RE: Bragg's apple cider vinegar/ Mimi

> >Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 10:04:29 -0700 (PDT)

> >

> >Is the apple cider vinegar with the mother in it the vinegar that is

> >fermented? Is the cloudy stuff okay to use? Thanks Pearl

> >

> > Petrolino wrote: no regular vinegar is not

> >fermented

> >

> >

> >

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Some yeasts can feed on apple cidar vinegar (or any vinegar), in the same way

some yeasts will feed on honey, or banana. Some people with systematic fungal

infection may see worsening of symptoms if that particular strain desires the

vinegar as a food source. Like any new food should be introduced, introduce it

at a time of eveness, slowly, and by itself.

Summer

Petrolino wrote:

Some people don't do well with apple cider vinegar, just like some people

don't do well with banana or zucchini and some do. It just depends. If you

can tolerate it, that is great, it has alot of good minerals and enzymes

Rich in enzymes & potassium

Naturally support a healthy immune system

Helps control weight

Promotes digestion & ph Balance

Helps soothe dry throats

Helps remove body sludge toxins

The mother occurs naturally it is strand-like enzymes of connected protein

molecules.

I love it on veggies

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Hi ,

I love Bragg's vinegar and use it for my family. I agree with the

advise that was given by and Summer.

Mimi

>

> Some yeasts can feed on apple cidar vinegar (or any vinegar), in

the same way some yeasts will feed on honey, or banana. Some people

with systematic fungal infection may see worsening of symptoms if

that particular strain desires the vinegar as a food source. Like

any new food should be introduced, introduce it at a time of

eveness, slowly, and by itself.

>

> Summer

> Some people don't do well with apple cider vinegar, just like

some people

> don't do well with banana or zucchini and some do. It just

depends. If you

> can tolerate it, that is great, it has alot of good minerals and

enzymes

>

> Rich in enzymes & potassium

> Naturally support a healthy immune system

> Helps control weight

> Promotes digestion & ph Balance

> Helps soothe dry throats

> Helps remove body sludge toxins

[Guest guest]

I agree. Can someone please write to the company to check this out

and then report it to the list.

Mimi

>

> I personaly would be very cautious about introducing any gut bugs

> that could be in the fermented vinigars that possibly do not

belong

> or where not backed up bey Dr. Haas and Elaine's reserach.

>

> God knows unless you call the company what they are using to

ferment

> this stuff with. If it is Bifidus or yeast Elaine DID NOT LIKE

IT.

> And don't use if it contains these two! Don't go slow...don't use

> it.

>

> You may have to call the company if the moderators can't tell you

> that it is safe. Some of us on this serve have good intentions,

but

> truly do not send the message that Elaine taught us...that is

proven

> to work.

>

> Sincerely, Antoinette

[Guest guest]

The gut bugs in fermented apple cider vinegar are the same bugs used in the

first fermentation of apple cider. Apple cider is fermented from apple juice.

Apple cider vinegar is produced from a second fermentation. However, Elaine

stated that any product we do not make at home ourselves, we should get a letter

on company letterhead stating nothing additional is added. If someone has time

to ask this of Bragg's, you might want to specifically ask if any additional

microbial agents are added to accelerate fermentation.

If this were an issue, one could then pasturize. Apple cider itself is

approved by Elaine if no sugar is added, if this, in theory, were further

fermented with no additional sugars or innoculations, this would be legal.

It is very easy to make one's own raw apple cider vinegar by fermenting their

own fresh cider this fall.

I will be interested in hearing any information about Bragg's too!

Summer

recoverymaze wrote:

I agree. Can someone please write to the company to check this out

and then report it to the list.

Mimi

>

> I personaly would be very cautious about introducing any gut bugs

> that could be in the fermented vinigars that possibly do not

belong

> or where not backed up bey Dr. Haas and Elaine's reserach.

>

> God knows unless you call the company what they are using to

ferment

> this stuff with. If it is Bifidus or yeast Elaine DID NOT LIKE

IT.

> And don't use if it contains these two! Don't go slow...don't use

> it.

>

> You may have to call the company if the moderators can't tell you

> that it is safe. Some of us on this serve have good intentions,

but

> truly do not send the message that Elaine taught us...that is

proven

> to work.

>

> Sincerely, Antoinette

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com

[Guest guest]

and full of yeast spores which are not killed by pasturisation and

some even only activiated by heating and quite nasty ones at that

plain white vinegar is best but ignore me, the truth is not preferred

i know

to dull?. suffering is better ?

the mother of course is a yeast BIOFILM

grape juice has the same spore issue

no regular vinegar is not

> > >fermented

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