Re: What causes salicylate or phenol sensitivity?

[Guest guest]

Hi Eileen,

Failure of liver detox pathways. Willis Langford has more info, you can

find him (and his yahoo forum) on the web. " Bad bugs " in the gut produce

lots of toxins that overload the liver detox pathways, so SCD over time will

help salicylate intolerance both by reducing bad bug toxins and by improving

nutrition supporting the detox pathways. There are supplements you can use

to improve salicylate tolerance, too -- again Willis has info. I don't know

of a connection between heavy metal toxicity and salicylate intolerance, but

there may be one.

Again, though, supplements are tricky. I say, if you can do without them

(patiently waiting for SCD to improve the salicylate tolerance), do without

them.

Hope this is helpful.

Kayla

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[Guest guest]

Hi Eileen,

Failure of liver detox pathways. Willis Langford has more info, you can

find him (and his yahoo forum) on the web. " Bad bugs " in the gut produce

lots of toxins that overload the liver detox pathways, so SCD over time will

help salicylate intolerance both by reducing bad bug toxins and by improving

nutrition supporting the detox pathways. There are supplements you can use

to improve salicylate tolerance, too -- again Willis has info. I don't know

of a connection between heavy metal toxicity and salicylate intolerance, but

there may be one.

Again, though, supplements are tricky. I say, if you can do without them

(patiently waiting for SCD to improve the salicylate tolerance), do without

them.

Hope this is helpful.

Kayla

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[Guest guest]

I don't honestly remember how long it took because we continued to use

enzymes (all 3 Houston's) for quite a while after starting the diet.

So, I would opt for adding the enzymes to allow Kiki's to eat a

well-balanced diet rather than keeping her choices so limited. Taking

oral enzymes does not make the body produce fewer enzymes. So, that's

not an issue. But taking them can actually speed up the healing

process because they break down what is eaten making sure that nothing

is left for the " bad guys " and at the same time provide maximum

nutrition from what is eaten.

(Of course enzymes do not make eating junk food healthy, but junk food

isn't allowed on SCD anyway.)

Jody

mom to -7 and -9

SCD 1/03

[Guest guest]

Customize SCD to accomodate her salicylate sensitivities... Feingold has much

info to help you 1-.

Agape,

Eileen Brown wrote:

Dear Everyone:

Does anyone what caused salicylate or phenol sensitivity? My daughter has

been doing great on SCD. I'm now doing intensive enzyme therapy from Houston

Nutraceticals but I have never tested my daughter for heavy metal

poisoning.Should I do this since she is still very sensitive to salicylates.

Any input is helpful. Eileen Brown

daughter 7 years ADHD good concentration now after only 6 months SCD but

still very hyper with salicylates

[Guest guest]

>>>> I have to be honest, we use enzymes and have NOT seen a

reduction of phenol sensitivity. I am concerned about how loose No

Phenol make the stool so I limit it. I figure I will go SLOWLY and

heal the gut first with SCD (While using Zyme prime) and maybe add No

Phenol later on.

The phenol sensitivity is not well understood. And how enzymes help

with it exactly is not known. It was parent testing that identified

the combination of enzymes that worked on phenols. One idea is that

the fiber digesting enzymes may be removing carbohydrate groups in

such a way as to allow the phenol-containing foods to be digested and

used appropriately and not further contribute to the detox/phenol

load. The 'phenol symptoms' tend to be the same as any unprocessed

toxin symptoms (artificial additives, metals, chemicals, yeast by-

products, bacteria by-products). The body can detox faster than the

toxins come in, so you get a backlog of toxins in the body. " Toxins "

here refers to any waste the body is trying to get rid of.

Fiber digesting enzymes are in Phenol Assist, No-Fenol, V-Gest and

similar products. Look for cellulases, hemicellulases, xylanases,

pectinases, etc. In animal feeds, its known as 'roughage.'

Notice how some of these enzymes are also in broad-spectrum

products...just not in as high amounts. So you may be getting some

phenol assistance with the broad-spectrum enzyme products as well.

If you aren't seeing results with phenol assisting enzymes, if could

be the phenol bottleneck can't be resolved by food digestion. Phenols

come from other sources besides food...environment, body functions by-

products...

Try a broad-spectrum product first and see how that helps. Improving

digestion across the board with all foods is a great first step and

might be enough to reduce the phenol load (which is really tied to

the detox load). Reducing the toxins over all improves processing of

phenols.

THEN, if you really are still having a problem with phenols in the

diet, look at trying an enzyme for highly phenolic foods.

If the phenol enzyme product makes stools too loose, it could be

because they digest fiberous foods. We need some fiber for proper

waste elimination. It could be the fiber enzymes are breaking down

and eliminating too much of the fiber for an individual situation.

The phenol enzyme products have always been seen and developed as

a 'specialty' product...not for everyone, but great for a certain

group of people.

Another work-around may be to try a product for vegetarian diets, V-

Gest is one. This would contain much more fiber/phenol enzymes than a

broad-spectrum product, but less than a phenol assisting product.

When 'trying' a product, usually one small bottle will tell you if it

will help. One mom clued me into this option because she couldn't

afford both a broad-spectrum and phenol enzyme product. Buying the

one was the perfect solution for her situation.

The phenol helping enzymes have not proven overall to help with

artificial phenols sources (artificial flavorings, preservatives,

etc). Those items are not nutritive food from the body's point of

view and add to the detox load. The enzymes do work wonderfully on

actual food.

Another aid to the phenol situation is to give epsom salt baths. This

helps remove toxins, including from phenol sources, overall. It's

cheap, easy to do, and works quickly.

http://www.enzymestuff.com/epsomsalts.htm

Sorry, if this got really lengthy. Trying to cover several posts in

one reply.

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