Guest guest Posted December 19, 2001 Report Share Posted December 19, 2001 hI GANG, lUCY HERE, HAS ANYONE EVER HAD A FUNNY SPELL THAT THEY DID NOT HAVE THEM REAL OFTEN AND YOU CAN FEEL THEM COMING ON, YOU JUST PAUSE AND WAIT FOR IT TO PASS. IT STARTS IN MY SHOULDERS AND MOVES DOWN MY ARMS. IT IS A REAL STRANGE FEELING AND HARD TO DESCRIBE BUT IT IS SCARY. I HAVE HAD LIKE 3 IN THE PAST WEEK. OF COURSE I AM UNDER MORE STRESS, MY GRANDDAUGHTER IS COMING TOMORROW (WITH HER MAMA AND STEP DAD ) FROM SOUTH DAKOTA. MY SON HAS A NEW BABY, STEP SON NEW WIFE, ALL COMFY WITH PERFECT LITTLE FAMILY, SEEMS TO NOT BE REAL CONCERNED IF DAUGHTER'S VISIT IS MADE A TERRIFIC EXPERIENCE. SHE IS ONLY 12 AND NEEDS TO HAVE HER DADDY SHOW HER THAT SHE IS IMPORTANT TO HIM. THAT IS GETTING OFF OF MY QUESTION, HAS ANYBODY HAD THIS KIND OF SPELL? IT ONLY LASTS A FEW MINUTES, NOT LONG AT ALL. I LOOK FORWARD TO HEAR FROM YOU FOLKS. lOVE AND PRAYERS, LUCY -- Wow Hi There !! wow I am so proud of you Sharon and everyone else for cheering your story. Yes I even learn something for that. Now I know what to look for in case Mr. Ornery comes up with something else. I hope every one that has read every ones story has enjoyed it as much as I have. So " Thanks to each of you for cheering and caring "Right after X mass I will post part 2 to our goal about this Rp story. So if you have not told us your story please do it because I really think we are all learning something here from each other. Dan I can tell you are doing better, boy o boy I am waiting for when you are all the way well again. Then I will get you/ LOL Pay back time for the Peanut butter stuff hehehehe. I have not heart anything else from Carol Otto. I will try again and call Del hopefully tomorrow night. Cant do it tonight. Got to go to the hospital and see about the B. A. she had a minor stroke this morning. I be so glad when X mass day gets here just maybe everyone will not be so stressed out any more. I went this morning at 7 am to wal= mart to do my grocery shopping thinking I beat the crowd well guess what I still had to stand in line for 20 min. I think I will have to fix me that pina colado after all very soon. LOL Well I better hush for now and get going. Remember please take your Medicine and Vitamins ON TIME like you supposed to every day and just maybe we get the RP in a sleeping mood. sending you all a gentle warm hug with lots of love. Heidi DISCLAIMER!!WE ARE NOT MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS, THEREFORE ANY INFORMATION THAT IS RECEIVED HERE IS FROM EXPERIENCE ONLY. PLEASE CONSULT WITH YOUR DOCTOR BEFORE TRYING ANYTHING THAT IS SUGGESTED. WE ARE NOT A SUBSTITUTE FOR YOUR PHYSICIAN AND ARE NOT TRYING TO BE. REMEMBER EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT AND TREATMENT MAYBE DIFFERENT FOR MANY OF US. THANK YOU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2001 Report Share Posted December 19, 2001 hI GANG, lUCY HERE, HAS ANYONE EVER HAD A FUNNY SPELL THAT THEY DID NOT HAVE THEM REAL OFTEN AND YOU CAN FEEL THEM COMING ON, YOU JUST PAUSE AND WAIT FOR IT TO PASS. IT STARTS IN MY SHOULDERS AND MOVES DOWN MY ARMS. IT IS A REAL STRANGE FEELING AND HARD TO DESCRIBE BUT IT IS SCARY. I HAVE HAD LIKE 3 IN THE PAST WEEK. OF COURSE I AM UNDER MORE STRESS, MY GRANDDAUGHTER IS COMING TOMORROW (WITH HER MAMA AND STEP DAD ) FROM SOUTH DAKOTA. MY SON HAS A NEW BABY, STEP SON NEW WIFE, ALL COMFY WITH PERFECT LITTLE FAMILY, SEEMS TO NOT BE REAL CONCERNED IF DAUGHTER'S VISIT IS MADE A TERRIFIC EXPERIENCE. SHE IS ONLY 12 AND NEEDS TO HAVE HER DADDY SHOW HER THAT SHE IS IMPORTANT TO HIM. THAT IS GETTING OFF OF MY QUESTION, HAS ANYBODY HAD THIS KIND OF SPELL? IT ONLY LASTS A FEW MINUTES, NOT LONG AT ALL. I LOOK FORWARD TO HEAR FROM YOU FOLKS. lOVE AND PRAYERS, LUCY -- Wow Hi There !! wow I am so proud of you Sharon and everyone else for cheering your story. Yes I even learn something for that. Now I know what to look for in case Mr. Ornery comes up with something else. I hope every one that has read every ones story has enjoyed it as much as I have. So " Thanks to each of you for cheering and caring "Right after X mass I will post part 2 to our goal about this Rp story. So if you have not told us your story please do it because I really think we are all learning something here from each other. Dan I can tell you are doing better, boy o boy I am waiting for when you are all the way well again. Then I will get you/ LOL Pay back time for the Peanut butter stuff hehehehe. I have not heart anything else from Carol Otto. I will try again and call Del hopefully tomorrow night. Cant do it tonight. Got to go to the hospital and see about the B. A. she had a minor stroke this morning. I be so glad when X mass day gets here just maybe everyone will not be so stressed out any more. I went this morning at 7 am to wal= mart to do my grocery shopping thinking I beat the crowd well guess what I still had to stand in line for 20 min. I think I will have to fix me that pina colado after all very soon. LOL Well I better hush for now and get going. Remember please take your Medicine and Vitamins ON TIME like you supposed to every day and just maybe we get the RP in a sleeping mood. sending you all a gentle warm hug with lots of love. Heidi DISCLAIMER!!WE ARE NOT MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS, THEREFORE ANY INFORMATION THAT IS RECEIVED HERE IS FROM EXPERIENCE ONLY. PLEASE CONSULT WITH YOUR DOCTOR BEFORE TRYING ANYTHING THAT IS SUGGESTED. WE ARE NOT A SUBSTITUTE FOR YOUR PHYSICIAN AND ARE NOT TRYING TO BE. REMEMBER EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT AND TREATMENT MAYBE DIFFERENT FOR MANY OF US. THANK YOU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2001 Report Share Posted December 20, 2001 Lucy, Yes, I have had those. It feels like something not quite cold is washing over me and down my body. I hate it! I haven't had one in a while. No one seems to notice when it happens, so it must not be obvious to others. I also feel sort of giddy, not really dizzy, but not "right" either... Anyway, again, I had said, "Oh well, must just be anxiety." Now I wonder if I even have an anxiety problem or if it is just the dreaded RP. Kathleen Wow Hi There !! wow I am so proud of you Sharon and everyone else for cheering your story. Yes I even learn something for that. Now I know what to look for in case Mr. Ornery comes up with something else. I hope every one that has read every ones story has enjoyed it as much as I have. So " Thanks to each of you for cheering and caring "Right after X mass I will post part 2 to our goal about this Rp story. So if you have not told us your story please do it because I really think we are all learning something here from each other. Dan I can tell you are doing better, boy o boy I am waiting for when you are all the way well again. Then I will get you/ LOL Pay back time for the Peanut butter stuff hehehehe. I have not heart anything else from Carol Otto. I will try again and call Del hopefully tomorrow night. Cant do it tonight. Got to go to the hospital and see about the B. A. she had a minor stroke this morning. I be so glad when X mass day gets here just maybe everyone will not be so stressed out any more. I went this morning at 7 am to wal= mart to do my grocery shopping thinking I beat the crowd well guess what I still had to stand in line for 20 min. I think I will have to fix me that pina colado after all very soon. LOL Well I better hush for now and get going. Remember please take your Medicine and Vitamins ON TIME like you supposed to every day and just maybe we get the RP in a sleeping mood. sending you all a gentle warm hug with lots of love. Heidi DISCLAIMER!!WE ARE NOT MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS, THEREFORE ANY INFORMATION THAT IS RECEIVED HERE IS FROM EXPERIENCE ONLY. PLEASE CONSULT WITH YOUR DOCTOR BEFORE TRYING ANYTHING THAT IS SUGGESTED. WE ARE NOT A SUBSTITUTE FOR YOUR PHYSICIAN AND ARE NOT TRYING TO BE. REMEMBER EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT AND TREATMENT MAYBE DIFFERENT FOR MANY OF US. THANK YOU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2001 Report Share Posted December 20, 2001 Lucy, Yes, I have had those. It feels like something not quite cold is washing over me and down my body. I hate it! I haven't had one in a while. No one seems to notice when it happens, so it must not be obvious to others. I also feel sort of giddy, not really dizzy, but not "right" either... Anyway, again, I had said, "Oh well, must just be anxiety." Now I wonder if I even have an anxiety problem or if it is just the dreaded RP. Kathleen Wow Hi There !! wow I am so proud of you Sharon and everyone else for cheering your story. Yes I even learn something for that. Now I know what to look for in case Mr. Ornery comes up with something else. I hope every one that has read every ones story has enjoyed it as much as I have. So " Thanks to each of you for cheering and caring "Right after X mass I will post part 2 to our goal about this Rp story. So if you have not told us your story please do it because I really think we are all learning something here from each other. Dan I can tell you are doing better, boy o boy I am waiting for when you are all the way well again. Then I will get you/ LOL Pay back time for the Peanut butter stuff hehehehe. I have not heart anything else from Carol Otto. I will try again and call Del hopefully tomorrow night. Cant do it tonight. Got to go to the hospital and see about the B. A. she had a minor stroke this morning. I be so glad when X mass day gets here just maybe everyone will not be so stressed out any more. I went this morning at 7 am to wal= mart to do my grocery shopping thinking I beat the crowd well guess what I still had to stand in line for 20 min. I think I will have to fix me that pina colado after all very soon. LOL Well I better hush for now and get going. Remember please take your Medicine and Vitamins ON TIME like you supposed to every day and just maybe we get the RP in a sleeping mood. sending you all a gentle warm hug with lots of love. Heidi DISCLAIMER!!WE ARE NOT MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS, THEREFORE ANY INFORMATION THAT IS RECEIVED HERE IS FROM EXPERIENCE ONLY. PLEASE CONSULT WITH YOUR DOCTOR BEFORE TRYING ANYTHING THAT IS SUGGESTED. WE ARE NOT A SUBSTITUTE FOR YOUR PHYSICIAN AND ARE NOT TRYING TO BE. REMEMBER EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT AND TREATMENT MAYBE DIFFERENT FOR MANY OF US. THANK YOU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2001 Report Share Posted December 20, 2001 Thank you so much for your reply Kathleen. Anxiety is the one thing I "laid" it on other than RP. I am glad to know that I am not the only one with weird things like that going on. You have a wonderful, Blessed Christmas. Love and Prayers, Lucy -- Re: Wow Lucy, Yes, I have had those. It feels like something not quite cold is washing over me and down my body. I hate it! I haven't had one in a while. No one seems to notice when it happens, so it must not be obvious to others. I also feel sort of giddy, not really dizzy, but not "right" either... Anyway, again, I had said, "Oh well, must just be anxiety." Now I wonder if I even have an anxiety problem or if it is just the dreaded RP. Kathleen Wow Hi There !! wow I am so proud of you Sharon and everyone else for cheering your story. Yes I even learn something for that. Now I know what to look for in case Mr. Ornery comes up with something else. I hope every one that has read every ones story has enjoyed it as much as I have. So " Thanks to each of you for cheering and caring "Right after X mass I will post part 2 to our goal about this Rp story. So if you have not told us your story please do it because I really think we are all learning something here from each other. Dan I can tell you are doing better, boy o boy I am waiting for when you are all the way well again. Then I will get you/ LOL Pay back time for the Peanut butter stuff hehehehe. I have not heart anything else from Carol Otto. I will try again and call Del hopefully tomorrow night. Cant do it tonight. Got to go to the hospital and see about the B. A. she had a minor stroke this morning. I be so glad when X mass day gets here just maybe everyone will not be so stressed out any more. I went this morning at 7 am to wal= mart to do my grocery shopping thinking I beat the crowd well guess what I still had to stand in line for 20 min. I think I will have to fix me that pina colado after all very soon. LOL Well I better hush for now and get going. Remember please take your Medicine and Vitamins ON TIME like you supposed to every day and just maybe we get the RP in a sleeping mood. sending you all a gentle warm hug with lots of love. Heidi DISCLAIMER!!WE ARE NOT MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS, THEREFORE ANY INFORMATION THAT IS RECEIVED HERE IS FROM EXPERIENCE ONLY. PLEASE CONSULT WITH YOUR DOCTOR BEFORE TRYING ANYTHING THAT IS SUGGESTED. WE ARE NOT A SUBSTITUTE FOR YOUR PHYSICIAN AND ARE NOT TRYING TO BE. REMEMBER EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT AND TREATMENT MAYBE DIFFERENT FOR MANY OF US. THANK YOU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2001 Report Share Posted December 20, 2001 Thank you so much for your reply Kathleen. Anxiety is the one thing I "laid" it on other than RP. I am glad to know that I am not the only one with weird things like that going on. You have a wonderful, Blessed Christmas. Love and Prayers, Lucy -- Re: Wow Lucy, Yes, I have had those. It feels like something not quite cold is washing over me and down my body. I hate it! I haven't had one in a while. No one seems to notice when it happens, so it must not be obvious to others. I also feel sort of giddy, not really dizzy, but not "right" either... Anyway, again, I had said, "Oh well, must just be anxiety." Now I wonder if I even have an anxiety problem or if it is just the dreaded RP. Kathleen Wow Hi There !! wow I am so proud of you Sharon and everyone else for cheering your story. Yes I even learn something for that. Now I know what to look for in case Mr. Ornery comes up with something else. I hope every one that has read every ones story has enjoyed it as much as I have. So " Thanks to each of you for cheering and caring "Right after X mass I will post part 2 to our goal about this Rp story. So if you have not told us your story please do it because I really think we are all learning something here from each other. Dan I can tell you are doing better, boy o boy I am waiting for when you are all the way well again. Then I will get you/ LOL Pay back time for the Peanut butter stuff hehehehe. I have not heart anything else from Carol Otto. I will try again and call Del hopefully tomorrow night. Cant do it tonight. Got to go to the hospital and see about the B. A. she had a minor stroke this morning. I be so glad when X mass day gets here just maybe everyone will not be so stressed out any more. I went this morning at 7 am to wal= mart to do my grocery shopping thinking I beat the crowd well guess what I still had to stand in line for 20 min. I think I will have to fix me that pina colado after all very soon. LOL Well I better hush for now and get going. Remember please take your Medicine and Vitamins ON TIME like you supposed to every day and just maybe we get the RP in a sleeping mood. sending you all a gentle warm hug with lots of love. Heidi DISCLAIMER!!WE ARE NOT MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS, THEREFORE ANY INFORMATION THAT IS RECEIVED HERE IS FROM EXPERIENCE ONLY. PLEASE CONSULT WITH YOUR DOCTOR BEFORE TRYING ANYTHING THAT IS SUGGESTED. WE ARE NOT A SUBSTITUTE FOR YOUR PHYSICIAN AND ARE NOT TRYING TO BE. REMEMBER EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT AND TREATMENT MAYBE DIFFERENT FOR MANY OF US. THANK YOU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2001 Report Share Posted December 20, 2001 it does sound like anxiety... especially if you kinda tingle in certain areas. It is very hard to shake it at times. But it can be done you just have to picture something very calm and or have someone talk with you about nonsensical things. Try it, it can help,. this way if it comes on again, you will be able to stop it before it gets too bad.... hope this helps in anyway. Barbara Wow Hi There !! wow I am so proud of you Sharon and everyone else for cheering your story. Yes I even learn something for that. Now I know what to look for in case Mr. Ornery comes up with something else. I hope every one that has read every ones story has enjoyed it as much as I have. So " Thanks to each of you for cheering and caring "Right after X mass I will post part 2 to our goal about this Rp story. So if you have not told us your story please do it because I really think we are all learning something here from each other. Dan I can tell you are doing better, boy o boy I am waiting for when you are all the way well again. Then I will get you/ LOL Pay back time for the Peanut butter stuff hehehehe. I have not heart anything else from Carol Otto. I will try again and call Del hopefully tomorrow night. Cant do it tonight. Got to go to the hospital and see about the B. A. she had a minor stroke this morning. I be so glad when X mass day gets here just maybe everyone will not be so stressed out any more. I went this morning at 7 am to wal= mart to do my grocery shopping thinking I beat the crowd well guess what I still had to stand in line for 20 min. I think I will have to fix me that pina colado after all very soon. LOL Well I better hush for now and get going. Remember please take your Medicine and Vitamins ON TIME like you supposed to every day and just maybe we get the RP in a sleeping mood. sending you all a gentle warm hug with lots of love. Heidi DISCLAIMER!!WE ARE NOT MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS, THEREFORE ANY INFORMATION THAT IS RECEIVED HERE IS FROM EXPERIENCE ONLY. PLEASE CONSULT WITH YOUR DOCTOR BEFORE TRYING ANYTHING THAT IS SUGGESTED. WE ARE NOT A SUBSTITUTE FOR YOUR PHYSICIAN AND ARE NOT TRYING TO BE. REMEMBER EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT AND TREATMENT MAYBE DIFFERENT FOR MANY OF US. THANK YOU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2001 Report Share Posted December 20, 2001 it does sound like anxiety... especially if you kinda tingle in certain areas. It is very hard to shake it at times. But it can be done you just have to picture something very calm and or have someone talk with you about nonsensical things. Try it, it can help,. this way if it comes on again, you will be able to stop it before it gets too bad.... hope this helps in anyway. Barbara Wow Hi There !! wow I am so proud of you Sharon and everyone else for cheering your story. Yes I even learn something for that. Now I know what to look for in case Mr. Ornery comes up with something else. I hope every one that has read every ones story has enjoyed it as much as I have. So " Thanks to each of you for cheering and caring "Right after X mass I will post part 2 to our goal about this Rp story. So if you have not told us your story please do it because I really think we are all learning something here from each other. Dan I can tell you are doing better, boy o boy I am waiting for when you are all the way well again. Then I will get you/ LOL Pay back time for the Peanut butter stuff hehehehe. I have not heart anything else from Carol Otto. I will try again and call Del hopefully tomorrow night. Cant do it tonight. Got to go to the hospital and see about the B. A. she had a minor stroke this morning. I be so glad when X mass day gets here just maybe everyone will not be so stressed out any more. I went this morning at 7 am to wal= mart to do my grocery shopping thinking I beat the crowd well guess what I still had to stand in line for 20 min. I think I will have to fix me that pina colado after all very soon. LOL Well I better hush for now and get going. Remember please take your Medicine and Vitamins ON TIME like you supposed to every day and just maybe we get the RP in a sleeping mood. sending you all a gentle warm hug with lots of love. Heidi DISCLAIMER!!WE ARE NOT MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS, THEREFORE ANY INFORMATION THAT IS RECEIVED HERE IS FROM EXPERIENCE ONLY. PLEASE CONSULT WITH YOUR DOCTOR BEFORE TRYING ANYTHING THAT IS SUGGESTED. WE ARE NOT A SUBSTITUTE FOR YOUR PHYSICIAN AND ARE NOT TRYING TO BE. REMEMBER EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT AND TREATMENT MAYBE DIFFERENT FOR MANY OF US. THANK YOU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2001 Report Share Posted December 21, 2001 Lucy.. I go get these spells too. I have had them for about 10 years... Can't explain the feeling....sometimes the feeling of dread...! I have gone to the ER at times because of it... They find nothing...Now I just ignore it... I do believe it is connected to stress and anxiety...Hate to say it , but I really do... I had this before I had RP... Dont' know what it is or why or when they will come. It just does out of the blue... Hope someone else can explain this feeling...LOL See...you are not the only crazy one in the group. LOL Hope your Christmas goes good with your family.. Give all the babies hugs for me...They probably aren't babies any more. LOL Know I'm thinking of you and all the rest of your family. hugs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2001 Report Share Posted December 21, 2001 Lucy.. I go get these spells too. I have had them for about 10 years... Can't explain the feeling....sometimes the feeling of dread...! I have gone to the ER at times because of it... They find nothing...Now I just ignore it... I do believe it is connected to stress and anxiety...Hate to say it , but I really do... I had this before I had RP... Dont' know what it is or why or when they will come. It just does out of the blue... Hope someone else can explain this feeling...LOL See...you are not the only crazy one in the group. LOL Hope your Christmas goes good with your family.. Give all the babies hugs for me...They probably aren't babies any more. LOL Know I'm thinking of you and all the rest of your family. hugs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2006 Report Share Posted May 9, 2006 You all have really blown me away. Not that all of your posts were directed at me, but it has been a tough day otherwise so I'm just going to pretend that they are You all have said it so well, this is exactly my opinion of scd and what it takes to heal. There is no ultimate answer, this is not to say scd is the wrong answer, just that it is not the only answer. I will stay on the board IF the following things happen (Jody we can discuss of list) a) first and foremost I cannot continue to get threatening emails from disagreeing members asking me " how I can sleep at night " for giving advice. We are all here to help each other, certainly not to cause harm everyone is open to additional aids, or ideas (be it enzymes, herbs, ect.) If someone throws out an idea a suitable response is not 'no that is wrong because it is not scd legal' but ' that is not on scd currently but WHY...........................' We are here to learn, after all is that not why SCD even came to exist Elaine and many others had the motivation to learn and not just accept. c) if you do not think a post will help you or applies to you just disregard it, but allow other members the chance to decide for themselves, if you have tried this, those experiences are helpful to share but if not just stay out of it. d) finally do not assume any thing about any other member, their lives, children, background or thoughts. Best, _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2006 Report Share Posted May 10, 2006 Sounds fair to me. Agape, Petrolino wrote: You all have really blown me away. Not that all of your posts were directed at me, but it has been a tough day otherwise so I'm just going to pretend that they are You all have said it so well, this is exactly my opinion of scd and what it takes to heal. There is no ultimate answer, this is not to say scd is the wrong answer, just that it is not the only answer. I will stay on the board IF the following things happen (Jody we can discuss of list) a) first and foremost I cannot continue to get threatening emails from disagreeing members asking me " how I can sleep at night " for giving advice. We are all here to help each other, certainly not to cause harm everyone is open to additional aids, or ideas (be it enzymes, herbs, ect.) If someone throws out an idea a suitable response is not 'no that is wrong because it is not scd legal' but ' that is not on scd currently but WHY...........................' We are here to learn, after all is that not why SCD even came to exist Elaine and many others had the motivation to learn and not just accept. c) if you do not think a post will help you or applies to you just disregard it, but allow other members the chance to decide for themselves, if you have tried this, those experiences are helpful to share but if not just stay out of it. d) finally do not assume any thing about any other member, their lives, children, background or thoughts. Best, _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info and http://www.pecanbread.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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