Guest guest Posted October 4, 2003 Report Share Posted October 4, 2003 In the posts earlier this week, I read several mentioning a lack of appetite. That's rarely my problem. We're all different, I realize, and this may be where I differ from most, but surely there are some who have the same experience I do? I wrote a long, complicated post on Thursday, the worst day of my latest flare-up and hit the wrong button and lost the whole thing. Isn't that the way it goes when you're having an attack? Anyway, my personal experience frequently goes like this: Day One: extreme fatigue, slight fever Day Two: fatigue, fever, slight nausea, stinky gas Day Three: stabbing, unremitting pain under left breast, bloating, fatigue, increasing ache/pain center of chest Day Four: pain in left side ( " stitch " like pain), feel lousy all over, fatigue, ache/pain center of chest Throughout, I had periods of voracious hunger, usually in the evening after eating very lightly all day. It usually takes another week or so before the chest ache/pain/pressure eases. The bloating continues for another week or so. That was before I started the mild anti-depressant, which has masked all pain (the constant ache/pressure deep center chest)for the past month until this week. I am extremely fortunate that my GP recognizes my symptoms as CP, without any clinical evidence. All tests are in the normal range, even when there is a flare-up. I was diagnosed with AP in the emergency room at the hospital in November, 2001 and it never resolved, so we've been doing all kinds of tests. I am taking the pancreatic enzymes, the mild anti-depressant for chronic pain, and I have a prescription for hydrocodone if absolutely necessary, which it was twice this past week. I follow a very strict diet (except for chocolate - I save my daily quota of fat grams for my See's Candy or Hershey bars some days.) I lost 35 pounds from November 2001 to February 2002 and have gained back 5 pounds in the last year. I am 5' 5 " and just under 120 lbs. Sorry to go on and on. I post infrequently and have a lot saved up to say, I guess. Thank you, Tull, for putting up the new photos of the symposium. I enjoyed them all. Thank you, Mark Armstrong, for the very interesting history of medicine with regard to the pancreas. Thank you all for the loving support you give. Aloha, in Hawaii Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2003 Report Share Posted October 4, 2003 The way it worked for me was I would be essentially pain free. Then out of nowhere and suddenly as fast as the flick of a switch, I would get a terrible hot feeling like acid had just been dumped into my mid section. Within 5 minutes my whole belly would bloat and the pain would become unbearable. It would feel like a hot sharp knife digging inside a belly that had been filled with gasoline and set on fire. Recovering from such an attack would take a good month and the pain would change to firm,solid, ache in the right upper quadrant. Over time it would slowly get less but as I had more and more attacks, the pain would stick around longer, and eating would worsen it. Finally enough attacks occurred such that I would have one day that would be a mild pain day, and the next day I would have an attack, slowly recover, have one mild day, and then another attack. I was in the hospital every 3 weeks for a week like clock work. That is why I had the total panc. Your pains sound different to me, but I had recurrent acute pancreatitis. My sister has IBS and her pains sound somewhat like yours. I pray you will find relief and improvement, Bert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2003 Report Share Posted October 5, 2003 don't apologize for the long post. Sometimes you need one to get everything out. You said you had an attacked that never resolved and I wanted to let you know that you are not alone. Our Founder, Karyn, also had tha, I believet. She had one attack of acute pancreatitis that just never went away. I've been the opposite. I've had repeated cases of acute pancreatitis since 1986 and then in 2001, I had an attack that never really got better with the pain coming 24/7, though the pain did reduce to a level where minimal pain meds were needed. I still occasionally have acute attacks where the pain is alot worse, as well as periodic flares. My story can be found here, under the name Kimber: http://www.pancassociation.org/storieshome.html Unfortunately, I don't see Karyn's story located anywhere, or I'd point you to it. Kimber -- Kimber Vallejo, CA hominid2@... Note: All advice given is personal opinion, not equal to that of a licensed physician or health care professional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2003 Report Share Posted October 5, 2003 don't apologize for the long post. Sometimes you need one to get everything out. You said you had an attacked that never resolved and I wanted to let you know that you are not alone. Our Founder, Karyn, also had tha, I believet. She had one attack of acute pancreatitis that just never went away. I've been the opposite. I've had repeated cases of acute pancreatitis since 1986 and then in 2001, I had an attack that never really got better with the pain coming 24/7, though the pain did reduce to a level where minimal pain meds were needed. I still occasionally have acute attacks where the pain is alot worse, as well as periodic flares. My story can be found here, under the name Kimber: http://www.pancassociation.org/storieshome.html Unfortunately, I don't see Karyn's story located anywhere, or I'd point you to it. Kimber -- Kimber Vallejo, CA hominid2@... Note: All advice given is personal opinion, not equal to that of a licensed physician or health care professional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2005 Report Share Posted April 17, 2005 Grace had the diahreah too, at a young age. She was unable to tolerate breastmilk, or any "normal" formula. She was having 10-12 wattery bm's a day when, her GI reccomended Neocate. It is non milk or soy, and very elemental. I guess it is supposed to be for situations like this. It did help Grace tremendously. I guess the downside is the cost. It costs about 45 dollars a can and you use twice as much as you would with normal formula (measurements are different.) With Grace we used about 1 can every other day. It is not sold over the counter anywhere, and some states require a prescription for it. You may want to ask your pediatrician about it. Others in the group have used it too, so they may also give some better insite. With MSN Spaces email straight to your blog. Upload jokes, photos and more. It's free! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 Becca maybe you should get a swallow study. All of your reflux/gastro symptoms are the same for our little three month old, but he doesn't have mito so I didn't answer before. Here's everything we have done: Lactose Free Formula Soy Formula Nutramigen Hold him for 30-45 min after every feednig Nest built in bed to elevate his head Always hold him to feed (never prop) Thickened Feeds at a week old Zantac, now Prilosec Dr Brown's Bottles (these helped tons) Now, we just took the rice away b/c our ped was worried about allergy...well he has done much better. However, we also changed nipples and I actually think him being able to have a regular nipple helped as much as anything. BUT, he has started having loose stools too. One dietician told me that b/c its predigested formula, that could be the reason. Now, if we do all the above right and hold our mouth just the right way, we have a normal day, but sometimes we do all that and he still throws up all day. Cutting the rice helped a ton! deb...mom to four great kids and wife to one amazing guy!www.LifeofLoveProject.orgwww.debwells.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 Yes, She was on Zantac, now on Prevacid, I've tried everything, taking out the cereal, adding it in, now I'm taking out the Prevacid to see if that is a causing it, but so far no improvement, it's worse today! As far as her apnea, I have no doubt it is from her reflux, it seems as long as she is only fed 2 ounces at a time with cereal in it to weigh it down she is fine with the breathing. The diarrhea is what really is bugging me now. My 3 other girls all had the Roto virus and this is definately something different, no fever and it hasn't followed a curve of peaking then getting better. Seeing the pediatrician today again and neurologist tomorrow, hopefully we can get her skin biopsy scheduled soon!!!! I am wondering if they should take a look at her intestines or something. Thank you! Becca > Just out of curiousity, have they started treating the reflux? Leighann had > a lot of apneas > from the reflux, as soon as they got the reflux under control, the apneas > improved > a lot, it was almost like magic. The reflux does still come up at times, > but he'll adjust the > dosage on her zantac and it really seems to help. I can't really help with > the other > issues, we're still trying to figure out a lot of other things too. I wish > you the best of > luck, it's hard to deal with so much with our babies. > > Lois > > > > [Original Message] > > From: ikeleclaire <aleclaire@n...> > > To: <Mito > > > Date: 4/17/2005 11:33:00 AM > > Subject: Does this sound familiar? > > > > > > > > Well, > > My Paris, my 3 month old, is still having problems and we are still > > waiting for tests and results. My 2 1/2 yr old has PDH, we suspect > > Paris has it too. She has been hospitalized twice for apnea due to > > RSV, pneumonia with a fever, and reflux that aspirates. She now has > > had constant diarrhea with every feeding for 6 days. At first I > > thought it was a milk allergy, but I switched her to Soy the first > > day of it. She still is having apnea from the reflux from what I can > > tell to. She has low muscle tone, half the time doesn't feed well as > > far as sucking strength, and she hasn't gained an ounce for 2 weeks. > > Her head circumfrance has skipped down a percentile, with my Ellie > > her head was too BIG. Her eyelids are sagging too. It just seems > > like she has never been well, even though I keep her isolated as > > possible. She had an elevated lactic acid level in the hospital, we > > took it Friday and it was normal, but still do not have the Pyruvate > > level back yet. Ellie's levels are almost always normal no matter > > how well she's doing, so it really doesn't put my mind at ease. Are > > these things that are common in a mito baby, or could it all be > > cooincidence? I guess I know the answer is yes to both, but would > > appreciate any input. > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please contact mito-owner with any problems or questions. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 If one is having apnea caused by GERD, has a Nissen been considered? That's standard here. It is life-threatening to go home without assistance if one has apnea associated with GERD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 She has a swallow study next week. We already do all that you suggested. Ped told me nothing further can be done until she has had the diarrhea for two weeks. Have an apt with neuro tomorrow with both my daughters, will be begging for the test for the baby, it is so hard to wait, things could be really be serious before we even get the results back from the skin biopsy. Thanks for you suggestion! > Becca > > maybe you should get a swallow study. All of your reflux/gastro symptoms > are the same for our little three month old, but he doesn't have mito so I > didn't answer before. > > Here's everything we have done: > > Lactose Free Formula > Soy Formula > Nutramigen > Hold him for 30-45 min after every feednig > Nest built in bed to elevate his head > Always hold him to feed (never prop) > Thickened Feeds at a week old > Zantac, now Prilosec > Dr Brown's Bottles (these helped tons) > > Now, we just took the rice away b/c our ped was worried about allergy...well > he has done much better. However, we also changed nipples and I actually > think him being able to have a regular nipple helped as much as anything. BUT, > he has started having loose stools too. One dietician told me that b/c its > predigested formula, that could be the reason. > > Now, if we do all the above right and hold our mouth just the right way, we > have a normal day, but sometimes we do all that and he still throws up all > day. Cutting the rice helped a ton! > > deb...mom to four great kids and wife to one amazing guy! > > _www.LifeofLoveProject.org_ (http://www.lifeofloveproject.org/) > _www.debwells.com_ (http://www.debwells.com/) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 What is a Nissen? She is on a apnea monitor. > > If one is having apnea caused by GERD, has a Nissen been considered? That's > standard here. It is life-threatening to go home without assistance if one has apnea > associated with GERD. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2005 Report Share Posted April 19, 2005 Everyone presents differently and it all could be coincidence but Paris sounds just like my Wyatt. Poor suck, poor head control, heavy eye lids, reflux, constipation not diarrhea though, milk allergy, pneumonia with fever. The only thing different is that Wy's lactic acid was never elevated. They did test him for PDH but he ended up testing positive for complex I. If you need to talk feel free to e-mail me. It seems like they have a lot in common. Geri-Anne and Wyatt, complex I caringbridge.org/mn/wyattc -- In Mito , " ikeleclaire " <aleclaire@n...> wrote: > > Well, > My Paris, my 3 month old, is still having problems and we are still > waiting for tests and results. My 2 1/2 yr old has PDH, we suspect > Paris has it too. She has been hospitalized twice for apnea due to > RSV, pneumonia with a fever, and reflux that aspirates. She now has > had constant diarrhea with every feeding for 6 days. At first I > thought it was a milk allergy, but I switched her to Soy the first > day of it. She still is having apnea from the reflux from what I can > tell to. She has low muscle tone, half the time doesn't feed well as > far as sucking strength, and she hasn't gained an ounce for 2 weeks. > Her head circumfrance has skipped down a percentile, with my Ellie > her head was too BIG. Her eyelids are sagging too. It just seems > like she has never been well, even though I keep her isolated as > possible. She had an elevated lactic acid level in the hospital, we > took it Friday and it was normal, but still do not have the Pyruvate > level back yet. Ellie's levels are almost always normal no matter > how well she's doing, so it really doesn't put my mind at ease. Are > these things that are common in a mito baby, or could it all be > cooincidence? I guess I know the answer is yes to both, but would > appreciate any input. > Thank you, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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