Re: Enzymes - protease safety & SCD

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This is an interesting thread. While I agree that everyone should do

what they feel is best in their situation (I did afterall even when

it wasn't the popular thing to do), I also feel it is important to

keep accuracy in our knowledge.

I had quite a few conversations with Elaine over enzymes and SCD in

the beginning of SCD into autism. SCD revolves around enzymes! The

entire premise of what is okay and isn't okay revolves around which

enzymes are needed to digest which foods. So, to me, these are more

like companions going for the same goal, not opposing ideas.

On one hand, I agree that proteases can cause discomfort (at times

extremely) in the beginning. This is why strong protease products

carry the tagline: do not use with gastritis. Gastritis is inflammed

gastro tissue. But on the other hand, proteases are famous and well

researched for reducing inflammation and healing damaged tissue. So

how are you supposed to get the healing effects if taking

proteases 'hurts' an injured gut?

The workaround to this issue is the basis of The Great Low-n-Slow

Method of dosing enzymes. Starting something really low in proteases

(Lacto appears to work the best overall), or no proteases can help.

Then after some gut healing has happened, adding in the proteases at

lower doses and increasing them gradually works well.

I think of proteases as the work-horses of healing. Remember that

protease discomfort MAY be due to anti-septic action on injured

tissue, but it can also be die-off due to killing off of bacteria or

yeast (which we want out anyway).

This Great Low-n-Slow Method isn't that different than the way Elaine

structured SCD. The Intro Diet is like the general low or no protease

enzyme product (Step 1). It is designed to get some sort of baseline

going. Then some time later, you add in the special yogurt (Step 2).

Notice SCD does not start one off with mega-doses of yogurt! Just as

it isn't advised to start off with large doses of proteases. And just

like with adding in protease enzymes, you can have some discomfort

when starting the yogurt.

The yogurt has lots of digestive enzymes, probiotics, minerals,

lactoferrin and other goodies in it. It is the pro-active healing

portion. Similarly, protease enzymes supplements have lots of pro-

active healing enzymes (other enzymes can heal pro-actively a little

bit too, but they aren't as efficient at this).

The point here isn't to argue anyone into or out of anything they

choose to do...but it is outlining the consistency between what

happens with SCD and enzyme supplements. In either case, the goal is

to get some healing going on. Often times if someone hits a 'plateau'

in healing with SCD, adding in either the yogurt or enzyme

supplements gives them that kick up to the next level. This makes

complete sense given that they both supply enzymes and are pro-active

healing measures.

The next concern I hear in this thread is how do protease distinguish

amoung proteins? Like, are they all the same and proteases will

digest any protein it comes across whether it is bad bacteria, good

bacteria, human gut tissue, waste and debris? The answer is no.

Enzymes are very very specific. In fact, only certain proteases work

on certain proteins, and under certain conditions...and they are not

interchangeable. Much like an electrician and a carpenter and a mason

all work to build a house, their jobs and skills are not

interchangeable. It is easy to see 'proteases' as one thing

and 'protein' as one thing. But there are thousands of very different

proteins and proteases. Rather than needing special conditions to

turn proteases off, you need very specific conditions to get them to

turn on and act in the first place.

Consider the issue with DPP IV. This is a specific protease activity

that researchers worked long and hard to figure out, particular in

supplementing it, even though there have been other protease

supplements on the market for over one hundred years. Just as SCD

states that not all carbohydrates are identical...only specific ones

are allowed while others are not.

If any protease could digest our own healthy tissue, our forefathers

would have eaten once. After that initial bite, our own proteases

produced by the pancreas would have kicked into action, digested the

food, and then proceeded to digest all other body parts. We would

already have digested away long ago. But that doesn't happen. Even

people with very serious gut problems have pancreatic proteases being

churned out daily if not hourly...and yet we do not digest away.

If adding extra proteases to an injured gut is inherently harmful,

then that would make the SCD yogurt harmful in the same way. Yet,

Elaine and SCD strongly advocate the yogurt as a significant step in

healing.

There are checks and balances throughout the body regulating all

enzymes, not just proteases and not just in the gut. This is a reason

enzymes are considered incredibly safe...they don't wander around the

body doing who knows what as other supplements or even medications

can.

I hope this is helpful. If someone chooses not to use supplemental

enzymes for their situation, I support their decision without a

doubt...yet getting accurate information out is important and that is

my focus...especially since the premise of SCD is so grounded in

digestive enzyme action.

.

[Guest guest]

, is it common that once you start enzymes you have low blood sugar

issues, I have noticed this and it seems quite severe.

>

>Reply-To: pecanbread

>To: pecanbread

>Subject: Re: Enzymes - protease safety & SCD

>Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 03:59:28 -0000

>

>This is an interesting thread. While I agree that everyone should do

>what they feel is best in their situation (I did afterall even when

>it wasn't the popular thing to do), I also feel it is important to

>keep accuracy in our knowledge.

>

>I had quite a few conversations with Elaine over enzymes and SCD in

>the beginning of SCD into autism. SCD revolves around enzymes! The

>entire premise of what is okay and isn't okay revolves around which

>enzymes are needed to digest which foods. So, to me, these are more

>like companions going for the same goal, not opposing ideas.

>

>On one hand, I agree that proteases can cause discomfort (at times

>extremely) in the beginning. This is why strong protease products

>carry the tagline: do not use with gastritis. Gastritis is inflammed

>gastro tissue. But on the other hand, proteases are famous and well

>researched for reducing inflammation and healing damaged tissue. So

>how are you supposed to get the healing effects if taking

>proteases 'hurts' an injured gut?

>

>The workaround to this issue is the basis of The Great Low-n-Slow

>Method of dosing enzymes. Starting something really low in proteases

>(Lacto appears to work the best overall), or no proteases can help.

>Then after some gut healing has happened, adding in the proteases at

>lower doses and increasing them gradually works well.

>

>I think of proteases as the work-horses of healing. Remember that

>protease discomfort MAY be due to anti-septic action on injured

>tissue, but it can also be die-off due to killing off of bacteria or

>yeast (which we want out anyway).

>

>This Great Low-n-Slow Method isn't that different than the way Elaine

>structured SCD. The Intro Diet is like the general low or no protease

>enzyme product (Step 1). It is designed to get some sort of baseline

>going. Then some time later, you add in the special yogurt (Step 2).

>Notice SCD does not start one off with mega-doses of yogurt! Just as

>it isn't advised to start off with large doses of proteases. And just

>like with adding in protease enzymes, you can have some discomfort

>when starting the yogurt.

>

>The yogurt has lots of digestive enzymes, probiotics, minerals,

>lactoferrin and other goodies in it. It is the pro-active healing

>portion. Similarly, protease enzymes supplements have lots of pro-

>active healing enzymes (other enzymes can heal pro-actively a little

>bit too, but they aren't as efficient at this).

>

>The point here isn't to argue anyone into or out of anything they

>choose to do...but it is outlining the consistency between what

>happens with SCD and enzyme supplements. In either case, the goal is

>to get some healing going on. Often times if someone hits a 'plateau'

>in healing with SCD, adding in either the yogurt or enzyme

>supplements gives them that kick up to the next level. This makes

>complete sense given that they both supply enzymes and are pro-active

>healing measures.

>

>The next concern I hear in this thread is how do protease distinguish

>amoung proteins? Like, are they all the same and proteases will

>digest any protein it comes across whether it is bad bacteria, good

>bacteria, human gut tissue, waste and debris? The answer is no.

>Enzymes are very very specific. In fact, only certain proteases work

>on certain proteins, and under certain conditions...and they are not

>interchangeable. Much like an electrician and a carpenter and a mason

>all work to build a house, their jobs and skills are not

>interchangeable. It is easy to see 'proteases' as one thing

>and 'protein' as one thing. But there are thousands of very different

>proteins and proteases. Rather than needing special conditions to

>turn proteases off, you need very specific conditions to get them to

>turn on and act in the first place.

>

>Consider the issue with DPP IV. This is a specific protease activity

>that researchers worked long and hard to figure out, particular in

>supplementing it, even though there have been other protease

>supplements on the market for over one hundred years. Just as SCD

>states that not all carbohydrates are identical...only specific ones

>are allowed while others are not.

>

>If any protease could digest our own healthy tissue, our forefathers

>would have eaten once. After that initial bite, our own proteases

>produced by the pancreas would have kicked into action, digested the

>food, and then proceeded to digest all other body parts. We would

>already have digested away long ago. But that doesn't happen. Even

>people with very serious gut problems have pancreatic proteases being

>churned out daily if not hourly...and yet we do not digest away.

>

>If adding extra proteases to an injured gut is inherently harmful,

>then that would make the SCD yogurt harmful in the same way. Yet,

>Elaine and SCD strongly advocate the yogurt as a significant step in

>healing.

>

>There are checks and balances throughout the body regulating all

>enzymes, not just proteases and not just in the gut. This is a reason

>enzymes are considered incredibly safe...they don't wander around the

>body doing who knows what as other supplements or even medications

>can.

>

>I hope this is helpful. If someone chooses not to use supplemental

>enzymes for their situation, I support their decision without a

>doubt...yet getting accurate information out is important and that is

>my focus...especially since the premise of SCD is so grounded in

>digestive enzyme action.

>

>.

>

>

>

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Dear :

My daughter has ADHD. She is 7 years old. She has improved alot on SCD but

still salicylate sensitive. I would like to heal her so eventually she can get

off SCD. (We will never go back to our old way of eating) I started enzymes

from Houston NI on about February 20, 2006. I had been giving her (not

consistently) but almost everyday a very weak, general digestive enzyme before

this. The list seem to advocate the enzymes soI decided to give a try. I

started with 1/2 capsule of SCD pepitizide and zyme prime with all meals for 4

days. I then increased to a full capsule with all meals, sometimes she would

not end up eating everything and I think I gave her too much. At some point I

started giving the no fenol as well, mostly with snacks containing high

salicylates. She started having bad stomach aches so I stopped everything but

the no fenol for 5 days and started again. It got better but she recently

started to complain again about stomach aches. My biggest problem since

starting the enzymes is increased hyperactivity and inattentiveness. Almost

immediately after starting the enzymes, I started getting emails from her

teachers about this problem. I knew this was possibly a reaction but would go

away in three weeks. It is now going on 5 weeks straight of enzymes and still

the increased hyperactivity and inattentiveness. She was having standardize

testing this week so I stopped all enzymes except no fenol. Any advice about

what I am doing wrong, Am I giving too much? I was thinking I was going to

drop the pepitizide for a while and just do zyme prime. Any help would be so

appreciated. Thank you in advance for reading this long and complicated email.

Eileen Brown

7 year old daughter ADHD SCD 7 months (before that Feingold for 9 months)