Guest guest Posted May 6, 2006 Report Share Posted May 6, 2006 Antoinette/ anyone who might know, Does the newest edition of Dr. McCandless' book reccomend SCD over GFCFSF? Agape, kikijabunce wrote: Here is an old post about chelation I thought those may be interested in. This explains why some may not be having success. It is believed that a child should have healed on the SCDie for a minimum of a year before starting chelation. And that SCD alone is a natural and gentle way to detox the body from junk that doesn't belong in it. And that chelation can cause an overgrowth of the bad guys to come back, and that Elaine didn't like it untill the intestines had HEALED for a minimum of one year and the vicious cycle of bacteria overgrowth had been put into check through this wonderful diet plan. This is also why other plans do not work, because they offer foods that are not monodisacharides, or offer hard to digest food that do not digest and just sit in the child's healing and injured gut to ferment and feed the bad guys! Food that is not digested sits and ferments...so becareful in the beginning to only feed a HEALING child/adult only foods that are SCD safe and easy to digest, allowing as much variety as possible. The phenol/salicylate sensitivity and the oxalate issues will vanish rather FAST on a strict SCDiet....many supposed food intolerances and allergy vanish that first year on a strict SCDiet. Dr. Haas and Elaine said that sensitivity issues can leave as fast as the first month, because sthe gut heals fast with a good introductory...causing a good die off, and aiding in stopping the vicous cycle of bad gut guy overgrowth and allowing the gut to repopulate with the good guys in the yogurt (which by far offers more good guyt guys than any other method). But have your activated charocal handy and epson salts bath soaks ready, because for smoe of us this transisiton can cause " die off " and this appears to be the flu (irritabiltiy, dizzyness, aches, cramps,diarrhea, nausea and more), and can make behaviors worse for a while, untill you get over that initial much needed hump. This is the TRansistion that Elaine warns about in the back of the Autism chapter in her BTVC book. We are now, 2+ months and getting over that initial hump and seeing unbelievaable progress in our Autistic daughter kiki/her diagnosis malabsorption/injured gut/celiac nad Autism. Doing nothing but SCd rigfht now and having this kind of susssess, and also using the SCD 24 hour goat yogurt,with the rendered harmless casein. This yogurt works because unlike probiotic supplements it adds millions of good gut guys (warriors) to fight off teh bad gut guys. We are finnaly winning the war without anything but the SCDiet that saved over 600 children/people in Dr Haas day and have saved thousands since Elaine brought this solution back to us. Sincerely Antoinette HERE THEY ARE (Cut and paste) Chelation and SCD We are starting to naturally chelate my son's gut. We are using vitamin C and cilantro. We keep a careful eye out on his carbs (legal) while doing so to keep the yeast at bay. I think he is so healed, that he is actually absorbing the cilantro and vitamin C and antioxidants he gets via food. I don't think we could have even attempted this prior to being on the diet for over a year. We are seeing great results.. Best wishes,. Jen. Since SCD there has been much more spontaneous, interactive conversation and play as well as an ability to attend. We are also chelating, but we chelated for a year before going on SCD and it is only since SCD that we've noticed the dramatic changes. I think SCD is helping chelate more effectively. Marisol. [Marisol does the DAN protocol] I have no experience with chelation and this is one area in which I dare not get involved. There are many who believe, based on allergists' advice, that the basic problem is accumulation of toxic heavy metals. I, personally, feel that (as in Alzheimer's with aluminum) it is a result of faulty cellular metabolism which is probably due to malabsorption of other nutrients . These essential nutrients which are probably not being absorbed would rid the cells of anything that does not belong in the cells. But, again, I know little more than that. I studied the detoxification systems of the body including the P-450 system of the liver (very dependent on Vitamin C) but feel my information is incomplete. Elaine Gottschall I totally agree with Elaine's view that the gut pathogens /malabsorption problem is destroying our children's ability to detoxify naturally. The DAN doctors ,who are chelating ASD children, have found out that DMSA and ALA increase the gut bugs.They also have found out that increased gut bugs impair detoxification.This information is explained in great detail in Dr Mc Candless' book " Children with Starving Brains " . The best help for chelation is to follow the SCD diet along with your favorite detoxification protocol . Some parents are decideding to skip chelation and to just let the child detox naturally after he is healed by SCD. -- For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info and http://www.pecanbread.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2006 Report Share Posted May 6, 2006 Antoinette/ anyone who might know, Does the newest edition of Dr. McCandless' book reccomend SCD over GFCFSF? Agape, kikijabunce wrote: Here is an old post about chelation I thought those may be interested in. This explains why some may not be having success. It is believed that a child should have healed on the SCDie for a minimum of a year before starting chelation. And that SCD alone is a natural and gentle way to detox the body from junk that doesn't belong in it. And that chelation can cause an overgrowth of the bad guys to come back, and that Elaine didn't like it untill the intestines had HEALED for a minimum of one year and the vicious cycle of bacteria overgrowth had been put into check through this wonderful diet plan. This is also why other plans do not work, because they offer foods that are not monodisacharides, or offer hard to digest food that do not digest and just sit in the child's healing and injured gut to ferment and feed the bad guys! Food that is not digested sits and ferments...so becareful in the beginning to only feed a HEALING child/adult only foods that are SCD safe and easy to digest, allowing as much variety as possible. The phenol/salicylate sensitivity and the oxalate issues will vanish rather FAST on a strict SCDiet....many supposed food intolerances and allergy vanish that first year on a strict SCDiet. Dr. Haas and Elaine said that sensitivity issues can leave as fast as the first month, because sthe gut heals fast with a good introductory...causing a good die off, and aiding in stopping the vicous cycle of bad gut guy overgrowth and allowing the gut to repopulate with the good guys in the yogurt (which by far offers more good guyt guys than any other method). But have your activated charocal handy and epson salts bath soaks ready, because for smoe of us this transisiton can cause " die off " and this appears to be the flu (irritabiltiy, dizzyness, aches, cramps,diarrhea, nausea and more), and can make behaviors worse for a while, untill you get over that initial much needed hump. This is the TRansistion that Elaine warns about in the back of the Autism chapter in her BTVC book. We are now, 2+ months and getting over that initial hump and seeing unbelievaable progress in our Autistic daughter kiki/her diagnosis malabsorption/injured gut/celiac nad Autism. Doing nothing but SCd rigfht now and having this kind of susssess, and also using the SCD 24 hour goat yogurt,with the rendered harmless casein. This yogurt works because unlike probiotic supplements it adds millions of good gut guys (warriors) to fight off teh bad gut guys. We are finnaly winning the war without anything but the SCDiet that saved over 600 children/people in Dr Haas day and have saved thousands since Elaine brought this solution back to us. Sincerely Antoinette HERE THEY ARE (Cut and paste) Chelation and SCD We are starting to naturally chelate my son's gut. We are using vitamin C and cilantro. We keep a careful eye out on his carbs (legal) while doing so to keep the yeast at bay. I think he is so healed, that he is actually absorbing the cilantro and vitamin C and antioxidants he gets via food. I don't think we could have even attempted this prior to being on the diet for over a year. We are seeing great results.. Best wishes,. Jen. Since SCD there has been much more spontaneous, interactive conversation and play as well as an ability to attend. We are also chelating, but we chelated for a year before going on SCD and it is only since SCD that we've noticed the dramatic changes. I think SCD is helping chelate more effectively. Marisol. [Marisol does the DAN protocol] I have no experience with chelation and this is one area in which I dare not get involved. There are many who believe, based on allergists' advice, that the basic problem is accumulation of toxic heavy metals. I, personally, feel that (as in Alzheimer's with aluminum) it is a result of faulty cellular metabolism which is probably due to malabsorption of other nutrients . These essential nutrients which are probably not being absorbed would rid the cells of anything that does not belong in the cells. But, again, I know little more than that. I studied the detoxification systems of the body including the P-450 system of the liver (very dependent on Vitamin C) but feel my information is incomplete. Elaine Gottschall I totally agree with Elaine's view that the gut pathogens /malabsorption problem is destroying our children's ability to detoxify naturally. The DAN doctors ,who are chelating ASD children, have found out that DMSA and ALA increase the gut bugs.They also have found out that increased gut bugs impair detoxification.This information is explained in great detail in Dr Mc Candless' book " Children with Starving Brains " . The best help for chelation is to follow the SCD diet along with your favorite detoxification protocol . Some parents are decideding to skip chelation and to just let the child detox naturally after he is healed by SCD. -- For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info and http://www.pecanbread.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2006 Report Share Posted May 6, 2006 Surprisingly, it does not. Dr. JM is still a big fan of the opioid theory (which I agree with), but seems to beleive SCD is reserved for severe gut kids. She endorses SCD, but doesn't push for it. A more pro-SCD biomedical book is the book by Sid Baker and Jon Pangborn " Effective Biomedical Treatments for Autism " (I think that's the title). Suzanne > Here is an old post about chelation I thought those may be > interested in. This explains why some may not be having success. > It is believed that a child should have healed on the SCDie for a > minimum of a year before starting chelation. And that SCD alone is > a natural and gentle way to detox the body from junk that doesn't > belong in it. And that chelation can cause an overgrowth of the bad > guys to come back, and that Elaine didn't like it untill the > intestines had HEALED for a minimum of one year and the vicious > cycle of bacteria overgrowth had been put into check through this > wonderful diet plan. > > This is also why other plans do not work, because they offer foods > that are not monodisacharides, or offer hard to digest food that do > not digest and just sit in the child's healing and injured gut to > ferment and feed the bad guys! > > Food that is not digested sits and ferments...so becareful in the > beginning to only feed a HEALING child/adult only foods that are SCD > safe and easy to digest, allowing as much variety as possible. The > phenol/salicylate sensitivity and the oxalate issues will vanish > rather FAST on a strict SCDiet....many supposed food intolerances > and allergy vanish that first year on a strict SCDiet. > > Dr. Haas and Elaine said that sensitivity issues can leave as fast > as the first month, because sthe gut heals fast with a good > introductory...causing a good die off, and aiding in stopping the > vicous cycle of bad gut guy overgrowth and allowing the gut to > repopulate with the good guys in the yogurt (which by far offers > more good guyt guys than any other method). > > But have your activated charocal handy and epson salts bath soaks > ready, because for smoe of us this transisiton can cause " die off " > and this appears to be the flu (irritabiltiy, dizzyness, aches, > cramps,diarrhea, nausea and more), and can make behaviors worse for > a while, untill you get over that initial much needed hump. This is > the TRansistion that Elaine warns about in the back of the Autism > chapter in her BTVC book. > > We are now, 2+ months and getting over that initial hump and seeing > unbelievaable progress in our Autistic daughter kiki/her diagnosis > malabsorption/injured gut/celiac nad Autism. Doing nothing but SCd > rigfht now and having this kind of susssess, and also using the SCD > 24 hour goat yogurt,with the rendered harmless casein. This yogurt > works because unlike probiotic supplements it adds millions of good > gut guys (warriors) to fight off teh bad gut guys. We are finnaly > winning the war without anything but the SCDiet that saved over 600 > children/people in Dr Haas day and have saved thousands since Elaine > brought this solution back to us. > > Sincerely Antoinette > > > HERE THEY ARE (Cut and paste) > > > > Chelation and SCD > > > We are starting to naturally chelate my son's gut. We are using > vitamin C > and cilantro. We keep a careful eye out on his carbs (legal) while > doing > so to keep the yeast at bay. > > I think he is so healed, that he is actually absorbing the cilantro > and > vitamin C and antioxidants he gets via food. I don't think we could > have > even attempted this prior to being on the diet for over a year. We > are > seeing great results.. > > Best wishes,. Jen. > > Since SCD there has been much more spontaneous, interactive > conversation > and play as well as an ability to attend. We are also chelating, but > we > chelated for a year before going on SCD and it is only since SCD that > we've noticed the dramatic changes. I think SCD is helping chelate > more > effectively. > > Marisol. > > [Marisol does the DAN protocol] > > I have no experience with chelation and this is one area in which I > dare > not get involved. There are many who believe, based on allergists' > advice, that the basic problem is accumulation of toxic heavy > metals. I, > personally, feel that (as in Alzheimer's with aluminum) it is a > result of > faulty cellular metabolism which is probably due to malabsorption of > other nutrients . These essential nutrients which are probably not > being > absorbed would rid the cells of anything that does not belong in the > cells. But, again, I know little more than that. I studied the > detoxification systems of the body including the P-450 system of the > liver (very dependent on Vitamin C) but feel my information is > incomplete. > > Elaine Gottschall > > I totally agree with Elaine's view that the gut > pathogens /malabsorption > problem is destroying our children's ability to detoxify naturally. > The > DAN doctors ,who are chelating ASD children, have found out that > DMSA and > ALA increase the gut bugs.They also have found out that increased gut > bugs impair detoxification.This information is explained in great > detail > in Dr Mc Candless' book " Children with Starving Brains " . > > The best help for chelation is to follow the SCD diet along with your > favorite detoxification protocol . > > Some parents are decideding to skip chelation and to just let the > child > detox naturally after he is healed by SCD. > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info > and > http://www.pecanbread.com > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2006 Report Share Posted May 6, 2006 Surprisingly, it does not. Dr. JM is still a big fan of the opioid theory (which I agree with), but seems to beleive SCD is reserved for severe gut kids. She endorses SCD, but doesn't push for it. A more pro-SCD biomedical book is the book by Sid Baker and Jon Pangborn " Effective Biomedical Treatments for Autism " (I think that's the title). Suzanne > Here is an old post about chelation I thought those may be > interested in. This explains why some may not be having success. > It is believed that a child should have healed on the SCDie for a > minimum of a year before starting chelation. And that SCD alone is > a natural and gentle way to detox the body from junk that doesn't > belong in it. And that chelation can cause an overgrowth of the bad > guys to come back, and that Elaine didn't like it untill the > intestines had HEALED for a minimum of one year and the vicious > cycle of bacteria overgrowth had been put into check through this > wonderful diet plan. > > This is also why other plans do not work, because they offer foods > that are not monodisacharides, or offer hard to digest food that do > not digest and just sit in the child's healing and injured gut to > ferment and feed the bad guys! > > Food that is not digested sits and ferments...so becareful in the > beginning to only feed a HEALING child/adult only foods that are SCD > safe and easy to digest, allowing as much variety as possible. The > phenol/salicylate sensitivity and the oxalate issues will vanish > rather FAST on a strict SCDiet....many supposed food intolerances > and allergy vanish that first year on a strict SCDiet. > > Dr. Haas and Elaine said that sensitivity issues can leave as fast > as the first month, because sthe gut heals fast with a good > introductory...causing a good die off, and aiding in stopping the > vicous cycle of bad gut guy overgrowth and allowing the gut to > repopulate with the good guys in the yogurt (which by far offers > more good guyt guys than any other method). > > But have your activated charocal handy and epson salts bath soaks > ready, because for smoe of us this transisiton can cause " die off " > and this appears to be the flu (irritabiltiy, dizzyness, aches, > cramps,diarrhea, nausea and more), and can make behaviors worse for > a while, untill you get over that initial much needed hump. This is > the TRansistion that Elaine warns about in the back of the Autism > chapter in her BTVC book. > > We are now, 2+ months and getting over that initial hump and seeing > unbelievaable progress in our Autistic daughter kiki/her diagnosis > malabsorption/injured gut/celiac nad Autism. Doing nothing but SCd > rigfht now and having this kind of susssess, and also using the SCD > 24 hour goat yogurt,with the rendered harmless casein. This yogurt > works because unlike probiotic supplements it adds millions of good > gut guys (warriors) to fight off teh bad gut guys. We are finnaly > winning the war without anything but the SCDiet that saved over 600 > children/people in Dr Haas day and have saved thousands since Elaine > brought this solution back to us. > > Sincerely Antoinette > > > HERE THEY ARE (Cut and paste) > > > > Chelation and SCD > > > We are starting to naturally chelate my son's gut. We are using > vitamin C > and cilantro. We keep a careful eye out on his carbs (legal) while > doing > so to keep the yeast at bay. > > I think he is so healed, that he is actually absorbing the cilantro > and > vitamin C and antioxidants he gets via food. I don't think we could > have > even attempted this prior to being on the diet for over a year. We > are > seeing great results.. > > Best wishes,. Jen. > > Since SCD there has been much more spontaneous, interactive > conversation > and play as well as an ability to attend. We are also chelating, but > we > chelated for a year before going on SCD and it is only since SCD that > we've noticed the dramatic changes. I think SCD is helping chelate > more > effectively. > > Marisol. > > [Marisol does the DAN protocol] > > I have no experience with chelation and this is one area in which I > dare > not get involved. There are many who believe, based on allergists' > advice, that the basic problem is accumulation of toxic heavy > metals. I, > personally, feel that (as in Alzheimer's with aluminum) it is a > result of > faulty cellular metabolism which is probably due to malabsorption of > other nutrients . These essential nutrients which are probably not > being > absorbed would rid the cells of anything that does not belong in the > cells. But, again, I know little more than that. I studied the > detoxification systems of the body including the P-450 system of the > liver (very dependent on Vitamin C) but feel my information is > incomplete. > > Elaine Gottschall > > I totally agree with Elaine's view that the gut > pathogens /malabsorption > problem is destroying our children's ability to detoxify naturally. > The > DAN doctors ,who are chelating ASD children, have found out that > DMSA and > ALA increase the gut bugs.They also have found out that increased gut > bugs impair detoxification.This information is explained in great > detail > in Dr Mc Candless' book " Children with Starving Brains " . > > The best help for chelation is to follow the SCD diet along with your > favorite detoxification protocol . > > Some parents are decideding to skip chelation and to just let the > child > detox naturally after he is healed by SCD. > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info > and > http://www.pecanbread.com > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2006 Report Share Posted May 6, 2006 My edition of starving brains only recommends GFCFSF which is truly sad. Has some good and wonderful explanations of what happens when the viscious cycle goes unchecked though. In my opinion and Elaine's, very frightening about the diet she promotes though. Since Dr. Haas and Elaine knew that the only way this vicious cycle is truly ended is with a monodisacharide diet/scd, the way she suggest to eat in her book we hae personaly experienced disasterous. We had success last year doing this for a while, because I think it started an initial die off or something. But it didn't last for long. All the symptoms came back with a vengence! We truly learned from personal experience that GFCFSF and even the paleo diet DOES NOT WORK...I wish we had known, because we wasted prescious time. Our poor children continued to have starving brains needlessly. But like many here, I didn't know that I was feeding them foods that kept the visous cycle going...I thought I was doing a good job GFCFSF because at the time I thought this was hard. If We had realized the MEDICAL NECESITY of stoping the vicious cycle so that their poor brains could get the foods they needed to not be ADHD or AUTISTIC, is God is my wittness I would have done this sooner...all the sacrafices and all. SCD just doesn't look that bad when you put it in the light of MEDICAL NECESITY and not persoal choice. Sincerely, Antoinette (2+ months SCD and seeing a miracle in all of us) Family Problems: malabsorption/injured gut/celiac that lead to a starving brain that cuased: ADHD, Autism, mental illness, strange behaviors and rage attacks....now doing better thank God!) > Here is an old post about chelation I thought those may be > interested in. This explains why some may not be having success. > It is believed that a child should have healed on the SCDie for a > minimum of a year before starting chelation. And that SCD alone is > a natural and gentle way to detox the body from junk that doesn't > belong in it. And that chelation can cause an overgrowth of the bad > guys to come back, and that Elaine didn't like it untill the > intestines had HEALED for a minimum of one year and the vicious > cycle of bacteria overgrowth had been put into check through this > wonderful diet plan. > > This is also why other plans do not work, because they offer foods > that are not monodisacharides, or offer hard to digest food that do > not digest and just sit in the child's healing and injured gut to > ferment and feed the bad guys! > > Food that is not digested sits and ferments...so becareful in the > beginning to only feed a HEALING child/adult only foods that are SCD > safe and easy to digest, allowing as much variety as possible. The > phenol/salicylate sensitivity and the oxalate issues will vanish > rather FAST on a strict SCDiet....many supposed food intolerances > and allergy vanish that first year on a strict SCDiet. > > Dr. Haas and Elaine said that sensitivity issues can leave as fast > as the first month, because sthe gut heals fast with a good > introductory...causing a good die off, and aiding in stopping the > vicous cycle of bad gut guy overgrowth and allowing the gut to > repopulate with the good guys in the yogurt (which by far offers > more good guyt guys than any other method). > > But have your activated charocal handy and epson salts bath soaks > ready, because for smoe of us this transisiton can cause " die off " > and this appears to be the flu (irritabiltiy, dizzyness, aches, > cramps,diarrhea, nausea and more), and can make behaviors worse for > a while, untill you get over that initial much needed hump. This is > the TRansistion that Elaine warns about in the back of the Autism > chapter in her BTVC book. > > We are now, 2+ months and getting over that initial hump and seeing > unbelievaable progress in our Autistic daughter kiki/her diagnosis > malabsorption/injured gut/celiac nad Autism. Doing nothing but SCd > rigfht now and having this kind of susssess, and also using the SCD > 24 hour goat yogurt,with the rendered harmless casein. This yogurt > works because unlike probiotic supplements it adds millions of good > gut guys (warriors) to fight off teh bad gut guys. We are finnaly > winning the war without anything but the SCDiet that saved over 600 > children/people in Dr Haas day and have saved thousands since Elaine > brought this solution back to us. > > Sincerely Antoinette > > > HERE THEY ARE (Cut and paste) > > > > Chelation and SCD > > > We are starting to naturally chelate my son's gut. We are using > vitamin C > and cilantro. We keep a careful eye out on his carbs (legal) while > doing > so to keep the yeast at bay. > > I think he is so healed, that he is actually absorbing the cilantro > and > vitamin C and antioxidants he gets via food. I don't think we could > have > even attempted this prior to being on the diet for over a year. We > are > seeing great results.. > > Best wishes,. Jen. > > Since SCD there has been much more spontaneous, interactive > conversation > and play as well as an ability to attend. We are also chelating, but > we > chelated for a year before going on SCD and it is only since SCD that > we've noticed the dramatic changes. I think SCD is helping chelate > more > effectively. > > Marisol. > > [Marisol does the DAN protocol] > > I have no experience with chelation and this is one area in which I > dare > not get involved. There are many who believe, based on allergists' > advice, that the basic problem is accumulation of toxic heavy > metals. I, > personally, feel that (as in Alzheimer's with aluminum) it is a > result of > faulty cellular metabolism which is probably due to malabsorption of > other nutrients . These essential nutrients which are probably not > being > absorbed would rid the cells of anything that does not belong in the > cells. But, again, I know little more than that. I studied the > detoxification systems of the body including the P-450 system of the > liver (very dependent on Vitamin C) but feel my information is > incomplete. > > Elaine Gottschall > > I totally agree with Elaine's view that the gut > pathogens /malabsorption > problem is destroying our children's ability to detoxify naturally. > The > DAN doctors ,who are chelating ASD children, have found out that > DMSA and > ALA increase the gut bugs.They also have found out that increased gut > bugs impair detoxification.This information is explained in great > detail > in Dr Mc Candless' book " Children with Starving Brains " . > > The best help for chelation is to follow the SCD diet along with your > favorite detoxification protocol . > > Some parents are decideding to skip chelation and to just let the > child > detox naturally after he is healed by SCD. > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info > and > http://www.pecanbread.com > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2006 Report Share Posted May 6, 2006 My edition of starving brains only recommends GFCFSF which is truly sad. Has some good and wonderful explanations of what happens when the viscious cycle goes unchecked though. In my opinion and Elaine's, very frightening about the diet she promotes though. Since Dr. Haas and Elaine knew that the only way this vicious cycle is truly ended is with a monodisacharide diet/scd, the way she suggest to eat in her book we hae personaly experienced disasterous. We had success last year doing this for a while, because I think it started an initial die off or something. But it didn't last for long. All the symptoms came back with a vengence! We truly learned from personal experience that GFCFSF and even the paleo diet DOES NOT WORK...I wish we had known, because we wasted prescious time. Our poor children continued to have starving brains needlessly. But like many here, I didn't know that I was feeding them foods that kept the visous cycle going...I thought I was doing a good job GFCFSF because at the time I thought this was hard. If We had realized the MEDICAL NECESITY of stoping the vicious cycle so that their poor brains could get the foods they needed to not be ADHD or AUTISTIC, is God is my wittness I would have done this sooner...all the sacrafices and all. SCD just doesn't look that bad when you put it in the light of MEDICAL NECESITY and not persoal choice. Sincerely, Antoinette (2+ months SCD and seeing a miracle in all of us) Family Problems: malabsorption/injured gut/celiac that lead to a starving brain that cuased: ADHD, Autism, mental illness, strange behaviors and rage attacks....now doing better thank God!) > Here is an old post about chelation I thought those may be > interested in. This explains why some may not be having success. > It is believed that a child should have healed on the SCDie for a > minimum of a year before starting chelation. And that SCD alone is > a natural and gentle way to detox the body from junk that doesn't > belong in it. And that chelation can cause an overgrowth of the bad > guys to come back, and that Elaine didn't like it untill the > intestines had HEALED for a minimum of one year and the vicious > cycle of bacteria overgrowth had been put into check through this > wonderful diet plan. > > This is also why other plans do not work, because they offer foods > that are not monodisacharides, or offer hard to digest food that do > not digest and just sit in the child's healing and injured gut to > ferment and feed the bad guys! > > Food that is not digested sits and ferments...so becareful in the > beginning to only feed a HEALING child/adult only foods that are SCD > safe and easy to digest, allowing as much variety as possible. The > phenol/salicylate sensitivity and the oxalate issues will vanish > rather FAST on a strict SCDiet....many supposed food intolerances > and allergy vanish that first year on a strict SCDiet. > > Dr. Haas and Elaine said that sensitivity issues can leave as fast > as the first month, because sthe gut heals fast with a good > introductory...causing a good die off, and aiding in stopping the > vicous cycle of bad gut guy overgrowth and allowing the gut to > repopulate with the good guys in the yogurt (which by far offers > more good guyt guys than any other method). > > But have your activated charocal handy and epson salts bath soaks > ready, because for smoe of us this transisiton can cause " die off " > and this appears to be the flu (irritabiltiy, dizzyness, aches, > cramps,diarrhea, nausea and more), and can make behaviors worse for > a while, untill you get over that initial much needed hump. This is > the TRansistion that Elaine warns about in the back of the Autism > chapter in her BTVC book. > > We are now, 2+ months and getting over that initial hump and seeing > unbelievaable progress in our Autistic daughter kiki/her diagnosis > malabsorption/injured gut/celiac nad Autism. Doing nothing but SCd > rigfht now and having this kind of susssess, and also using the SCD > 24 hour goat yogurt,with the rendered harmless casein. This yogurt > works because unlike probiotic supplements it adds millions of good > gut guys (warriors) to fight off teh bad gut guys. We are finnaly > winning the war without anything but the SCDiet that saved over 600 > children/people in Dr Haas day and have saved thousands since Elaine > brought this solution back to us. > > Sincerely Antoinette > > > HERE THEY ARE (Cut and paste) > > > > Chelation and SCD > > > We are starting to naturally chelate my son's gut. We are using > vitamin C > and cilantro. We keep a careful eye out on his carbs (legal) while > doing > so to keep the yeast at bay. > > I think he is so healed, that he is actually absorbing the cilantro > and > vitamin C and antioxidants he gets via food. I don't think we could > have > even attempted this prior to being on the diet for over a year. We > are > seeing great results.. > > Best wishes,. Jen. > > Since SCD there has been much more spontaneous, interactive > conversation > and play as well as an ability to attend. We are also chelating, but > we > chelated for a year before going on SCD and it is only since SCD that > we've noticed the dramatic changes. I think SCD is helping chelate > more > effectively. > > Marisol. > > [Marisol does the DAN protocol] > > I have no experience with chelation and this is one area in which I > dare > not get involved. There are many who believe, based on allergists' > advice, that the basic problem is accumulation of toxic heavy > metals. I, > personally, feel that (as in Alzheimer's with aluminum) it is a > result of > faulty cellular metabolism which is probably due to malabsorption of > other nutrients . These essential nutrients which are probably not > being > absorbed would rid the cells of anything that does not belong in the > cells. But, again, I know little more than that. I studied the > detoxification systems of the body including the P-450 system of the > liver (very dependent on Vitamin C) but feel my information is > incomplete. > > Elaine Gottschall > > I totally agree with Elaine's view that the gut > pathogens /malabsorption > problem is destroying our children's ability to detoxify naturally. > The > DAN doctors ,who are chelating ASD children, have found out that > DMSA and > ALA increase the gut bugs.They also have found out that increased gut > bugs impair detoxification.This information is explained in great > detail > in Dr Mc Candless' book " Children with Starving Brains " . > > The best help for chelation is to follow the SCD diet along with your > favorite detoxification protocol . > > Some parents are decideding to skip chelation and to just let the > child > detox naturally after he is healed by SCD. > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info > and > http://www.pecanbread.com > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2006 Report Share Posted May 6, 2006 Thanks Suzanne, You're a wealth of info. So Dr. JM does mention SCD?in her newest ed.? ... Suzanne wrote: Surprisingly, it does not. Dr. JM is still a big fan of the opioid theory (which I agree with), but seems to beleive SCD is reserved for severe gut kids. She endorses SCD, but doesn't push for it. A more pro-SCD biomedical book is the book by Sid Baker and Jon Pangborn " Effective Biomedical Treatments for Autism " (I think that's the title). Suzanne > > Antoinette/ anyone who might know, > Does the newest edition of Dr. McCandless' book reccomend SCD over GFCFSF? > Agape, > > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info > and > http://www.pecanbread.com > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2006 Report Share Posted May 6, 2006 Thanks Suzanne, You're a wealth of info. So Dr. JM does mention SCD?in her newest ed.? ... Suzanne wrote: Surprisingly, it does not. Dr. JM is still a big fan of the opioid theory (which I agree with), but seems to beleive SCD is reserved for severe gut kids. She endorses SCD, but doesn't push for it. A more pro-SCD biomedical book is the book by Sid Baker and Jon Pangborn " Effective Biomedical Treatments for Autism " (I think that's the title). Suzanne > > Antoinette/ anyone who might know, > Does the newest edition of Dr. McCandless' book reccomend SCD over GFCFSF? > Agape, > > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info > and > http://www.pecanbread.com > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2006 Report Share Posted May 6, 2006 Yes, I tell people to substitute SCD for GFCFSF when they read the book. I was just wondering if the newest ed. acknowledged SCD. I'm going to have to get the Pangborn book. Agape, kikijabunce wrote: My edition of starving brains only recommends GFCFSF which is truly sad. Has some good and wonderful explanations of what happens when the viscious cycle goes unchecked though. In my opinion and Elaine's, very frightening about the diet she promotes though. Since Dr. Haas and Elaine knew that the only way this vicious cycle is truly ended is with a monodisacharide diet/scd, the way she suggest to eat in her book we hae personaly experienced disasterous. We had success last year doing this for a while, because I think it started an initial die off or something. But it didn't last for long. All the symptoms came back with a vengence! We truly learned from personal experience that GFCFSF and even the paleo diet DOES NOT WORK...I wish we had known, because we wasted prescious time. Our poor children continued to have starving brains needlessly. But like many here, I didn't know that I was feeding them foods that kept the visous cycle going...I thought I was doing a good job GFCFSF because at the time I thought this was hard. If We had realized the MEDICAL NECESITY of stoping the vicious cycle so that their poor brains could get the foods they needed to not be ADHD or AUTISTIC, is God is my wittness I would have done this sooner...all the sacrafices and all. SCD just doesn't look that bad when you put it in the light of MEDICAL NECESITY and not persoal choice. Sincerely, Antoinette (2+ months SCD and seeing a miracle in all of us) Family Problems: malabsorption/injured gut/celiac that lead to a starving brain that cuased: ADHD, Autism, mental illness, strange behaviors and rage attacks....now doing better thank God!) > Here is an old post about chelation I thought those may be > interested in. This explains why some may not be having success. > It is believed that a child should have healed on the SCDie for a > minimum of a year before starting chelation. And that SCD alone is > a natural and gentle way to detox the body from junk that doesn't > belong in it. And that chelation can cause an overgrowth of the bad > guys to come back, and that Elaine didn't like it untill the > intestines had HEALED for a minimum of one year and the vicious > cycle of bacteria overgrowth had been put into check through this > wonderful diet plan. > > This is also why other plans do not work, because they offer foods > that are not monodisacharides, or offer hard to digest food that do > not digest and just sit in the child's healing and injured gut to > ferment and feed the bad guys! > > Food that is not digested sits and ferments...so becareful in the > beginning to only feed a HEALING child/adult only foods that are SCD > safe and easy to digest, allowing as much variety as possible. The > phenol/salicylate sensitivity and the oxalate issues will vanish > rather FAST on a strict SCDiet....many supposed food intolerances > and allergy vanish that first year on a strict SCDiet. > > Dr. Haas and Elaine said that sensitivity issues can leave as fast > as the first month, because sthe gut heals fast with a good > introductory...causing a good die off, and aiding in stopping the > vicous cycle of bad gut guy overgrowth and allowing the gut to > repopulate with the good guys in the yogurt (which by far offers > more good guyt guys than any other method). > > But have your activated charocal handy and epson salts bath soaks > ready, because for smoe of us this transisiton can cause " die off " > and this appears to be the flu (irritabiltiy, dizzyness, aches, > cramps,diarrhea, nausea and more), and can make behaviors worse for > a while, untill you get over that initial much needed hump. This is > the TRansistion that Elaine warns about in the back of the Autism > chapter in her BTVC book. > > We are now, 2+ months and getting over that initial hump and seeing > unbelievaable progress in our Autistic daughter kiki/her diagnosis > malabsorption/injured gut/celiac nad Autism. Doing nothing but SCd > rigfht now and having this kind of susssess, and also using the SCD > 24 hour goat yogurt,with the rendered harmless casein. This yogurt > works because unlike probiotic supplements it adds millions of good > gut guys (warriors) to fight off teh bad gut guys. We are finnaly > winning the war without anything but the SCDiet that saved over 600 > children/people in Dr Haas day and have saved thousands since Elaine > brought this solution back to us. > > Sincerely Antoinette > > > HERE THEY ARE (Cut and paste) > > > > Chelation and SCD > > > We are starting to naturally chelate my son's gut. We are using > vitamin C > and cilantro. We keep a careful eye out on his carbs (legal) while > doing > so to keep the yeast at bay. > > I think he is so healed, that he is actually absorbing the cilantro > and > vitamin C and antioxidants he gets via food. I don't think we could > have > even attempted this prior to being on the diet for over a year. We > are > seeing great results.. > > Best wishes,. Jen. > > Since SCD there has been much more spontaneous, interactive > conversation > and play as well as an ability to attend. We are also chelating, but > we > chelated for a year before going on SCD and it is only since SCD that > we've noticed the dramatic changes. I think SCD is helping chelate > more > effectively. > > Marisol. > > [Marisol does the DAN protocol] > > I have no experience with chelation and this is one area in which I > dare > not get involved. There are many who believe, based on allergists' > advice, that the basic problem is accumulation of toxic heavy > metals. I, > personally, feel that (as in Alzheimer's with aluminum) it is a > result of > faulty cellular metabolism which is probably due to malabsorption of > other nutrients . These essential nutrients which are probably not > being > absorbed would rid the cells of anything that does not belong in the > cells. But, again, I know little more than that. I studied the > detoxification systems of the body including the P-450 system of the > liver (very dependent on Vitamin C) but feel my information is > incomplete. > > Elaine Gottschall > > I totally agree with Elaine's view that the gut > pathogens /malabsorption > problem is destroying our children's ability to detoxify naturally. > The > DAN doctors ,who are chelating ASD children, have found out that > DMSA and > ALA increase the gut bugs.They also have found out that increased gut > bugs impair detoxification.This information is explained in great > detail > in Dr Mc Candless' book " Children with Starving Brains " . > > The best help for chelation is to follow the SCD diet along with your > favorite detoxification protocol . > > Some parents are decideding to skip chelation and to just let the > child > detox naturally after he is healed by SCD. > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info > and > http://www.pecanbread.com > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2006 Report Share Posted May 6, 2006 Yes, I tell people to substitute SCD for GFCFSF when they read the book. I was just wondering if the newest ed. acknowledged SCD. I'm going to have to get the Pangborn book. Agape, kikijabunce wrote: My edition of starving brains only recommends GFCFSF which is truly sad. Has some good and wonderful explanations of what happens when the viscious cycle goes unchecked though. In my opinion and Elaine's, very frightening about the diet she promotes though. Since Dr. Haas and Elaine knew that the only way this vicious cycle is truly ended is with a monodisacharide diet/scd, the way she suggest to eat in her book we hae personaly experienced disasterous. We had success last year doing this for a while, because I think it started an initial die off or something. But it didn't last for long. All the symptoms came back with a vengence! We truly learned from personal experience that GFCFSF and even the paleo diet DOES NOT WORK...I wish we had known, because we wasted prescious time. Our poor children continued to have starving brains needlessly. But like many here, I didn't know that I was feeding them foods that kept the visous cycle going...I thought I was doing a good job GFCFSF because at the time I thought this was hard. If We had realized the MEDICAL NECESITY of stoping the vicious cycle so that their poor brains could get the foods they needed to not be ADHD or AUTISTIC, is God is my wittness I would have done this sooner...all the sacrafices and all. SCD just doesn't look that bad when you put it in the light of MEDICAL NECESITY and not persoal choice. Sincerely, Antoinette (2+ months SCD and seeing a miracle in all of us) Family Problems: malabsorption/injured gut/celiac that lead to a starving brain that cuased: ADHD, Autism, mental illness, strange behaviors and rage attacks....now doing better thank God!) > Here is an old post about chelation I thought those may be > interested in. This explains why some may not be having success. > It is believed that a child should have healed on the SCDie for a > minimum of a year before starting chelation. And that SCD alone is > a natural and gentle way to detox the body from junk that doesn't > belong in it. And that chelation can cause an overgrowth of the bad > guys to come back, and that Elaine didn't like it untill the > intestines had HEALED for a minimum of one year and the vicious > cycle of bacteria overgrowth had been put into check through this > wonderful diet plan. > > This is also why other plans do not work, because they offer foods > that are not monodisacharides, or offer hard to digest food that do > not digest and just sit in the child's healing and injured gut to > ferment and feed the bad guys! > > Food that is not digested sits and ferments...so becareful in the > beginning to only feed a HEALING child/adult only foods that are SCD > safe and easy to digest, allowing as much variety as possible. The > phenol/salicylate sensitivity and the oxalate issues will vanish > rather FAST on a strict SCDiet....many supposed food intolerances > and allergy vanish that first year on a strict SCDiet. > > Dr. Haas and Elaine said that sensitivity issues can leave as fast > as the first month, because sthe gut heals fast with a good > introductory...causing a good die off, and aiding in stopping the > vicous cycle of bad gut guy overgrowth and allowing the gut to > repopulate with the good guys in the yogurt (which by far offers > more good guyt guys than any other method). > > But have your activated charocal handy and epson salts bath soaks > ready, because for smoe of us this transisiton can cause " die off " > and this appears to be the flu (irritabiltiy, dizzyness, aches, > cramps,diarrhea, nausea and more), and can make behaviors worse for > a while, untill you get over that initial much needed hump. This is > the TRansistion that Elaine warns about in the back of the Autism > chapter in her BTVC book. > > We are now, 2+ months and getting over that initial hump and seeing > unbelievaable progress in our Autistic daughter kiki/her diagnosis > malabsorption/injured gut/celiac nad Autism. Doing nothing but SCd > rigfht now and having this kind of susssess, and also using the SCD > 24 hour goat yogurt,with the rendered harmless casein. This yogurt > works because unlike probiotic supplements it adds millions of good > gut guys (warriors) to fight off teh bad gut guys. We are finnaly > winning the war without anything but the SCDiet that saved over 600 > children/people in Dr Haas day and have saved thousands since Elaine > brought this solution back to us. > > Sincerely Antoinette > > > HERE THEY ARE (Cut and paste) > > > > Chelation and SCD > > > We are starting to naturally chelate my son's gut. We are using > vitamin C > and cilantro. We keep a careful eye out on his carbs (legal) while > doing > so to keep the yeast at bay. > > I think he is so healed, that he is actually absorbing the cilantro > and > vitamin C and antioxidants he gets via food. I don't think we could > have > even attempted this prior to being on the diet for over a year. We > are > seeing great results.. > > Best wishes,. Jen. > > Since SCD there has been much more spontaneous, interactive > conversation > and play as well as an ability to attend. We are also chelating, but > we > chelated for a year before going on SCD and it is only since SCD that > we've noticed the dramatic changes. I think SCD is helping chelate > more > effectively. > > Marisol. > > [Marisol does the DAN protocol] > > I have no experience with chelation and this is one area in which I > dare > not get involved. There are many who believe, based on allergists' > advice, that the basic problem is accumulation of toxic heavy > metals. I, > personally, feel that (as in Alzheimer's with aluminum) it is a > result of > faulty cellular metabolism which is probably due to malabsorption of > other nutrients . These essential nutrients which are probably not > being > absorbed would rid the cells of anything that does not belong in the > cells. But, again, I know little more than that. I studied the > detoxification systems of the body including the P-450 system of the > liver (very dependent on Vitamin C) but feel my information is > incomplete. > > Elaine Gottschall > > I totally agree with Elaine's view that the gut > pathogens /malabsorption > problem is destroying our children's ability to detoxify naturally. > The > DAN doctors ,who are chelating ASD children, have found out that > DMSA and > ALA increase the gut bugs.They also have found out that increased gut > bugs impair detoxification.This information is explained in great > detail > in Dr Mc Candless' book " Children with Starving Brains " . > > The best help for chelation is to follow the SCD diet along with your > favorite detoxification protocol . > > Some parents are decideding to skip chelation and to just let the > child > detox naturally after he is healed by SCD. > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following websites: > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info > and > http://www.pecanbread.com > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2006 Report Share Posted May 6, 2006 Suzzane can you personaly e-mail me the info on Dr. JM I have a stack of books and I read everything. I am interested in this one. I get all ruffled around the " feathers " when I see " biomedical treatments for autism " ....now knowing that a starving brain is at the basis of all this problem. Break the vicious cycle...heal the child. It appears that we are repeating history...wasting time with all these therories. Like Elaine said. For some autistic kids if we wait for this to become main stream knowledge with the medical community, we would have waited too long. You see starving brains...can't wait...they are hungry NOW..and as the child becomes older with this " starving predicament " the damage can become permanent. Thank God this monodisacharide diet/scd is proven to feed the starving brain. These poor kids...it almost makes my heart ache for them. Thank God KiKi's brain is getting nutrition now....she is just glowing now that we are breaking the vicious cycle in her gut. Antoinette the messanger keeping a message alive. > > > > Antoinette/ anyone who might know, > > Does the newest edition of Dr. McCandless' book reccomend SCD > over GFCFSF? > > Agape, > > > > > > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the > book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the > following websites: > > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info > > and > > http://www.pecanbread.com > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2006 Report Share Posted May 6, 2006 Suzzane can you personaly e-mail me the info on Dr. JM I have a stack of books and I read everything. I am interested in this one. I get all ruffled around the " feathers " when I see " biomedical treatments for autism " ....now knowing that a starving brain is at the basis of all this problem. Break the vicious cycle...heal the child. It appears that we are repeating history...wasting time with all these therories. Like Elaine said. For some autistic kids if we wait for this to become main stream knowledge with the medical community, we would have waited too long. You see starving brains...can't wait...they are hungry NOW..and as the child becomes older with this " starving predicament " the damage can become permanent. Thank God this monodisacharide diet/scd is proven to feed the starving brain. These poor kids...it almost makes my heart ache for them. Thank God KiKi's brain is getting nutrition now....she is just glowing now that we are breaking the vicious cycle in her gut. Antoinette the messanger keeping a message alive. > > > > Antoinette/ anyone who might know, > > Does the newest edition of Dr. McCandless' book reccomend SCD > over GFCFSF? > > Agape, > > > > > > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the > book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the > following websites: > > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info > > and > > http://www.pecanbread.com > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2006 Report Share Posted May 6, 2006 Hi, I was so glad to see your post and get an update on Mikey. Glad to hear you took the jump into SCD and that he is responding so well. Robbie is continueing to make some nice gains. We have recently added coconut water kefir and cultured veggies (both from BED). I just got his latest OATS and he is normal in aribinose and also the DHPPA marker for clostridia. I don't remember when both of these were normal!! We also had the HBOT chamber at our house all of March and April. Give me a call - our next biomed support group is on May 21st. Take care, Mauck Waukesha, WI > > > > Antoinette/ anyone who might know, > > Does the newest edition of Dr. McCandless' book reccomend SCD > over GFCFSF? > > Agape, > > > > > > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the > book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the > following websites: > > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info > > and > > http://www.pecanbread.com > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2006 Report Share Posted May 6, 2006 Hi, I was so glad to see your post and get an update on Mikey. Glad to hear you took the jump into SCD and that he is responding so well. Robbie is continueing to make some nice gains. We have recently added coconut water kefir and cultured veggies (both from BED). I just got his latest OATS and he is normal in aribinose and also the DHPPA marker for clostridia. I don't remember when both of these were normal!! We also had the HBOT chamber at our house all of March and April. Give me a call - our next biomed support group is on May 21st. Take care, Mauck Waukesha, WI > > > > Antoinette/ anyone who might know, > > Does the newest edition of Dr. McCandless' book reccomend SCD > over GFCFSF? > > Agape, > > > > > > > > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the > book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the > following websites: > > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info > > and > > http://www.pecanbread.com > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2006 Report Share Posted May 8, 2006 That's encouraging to know- that's what we did- jumped right in. My son's OAT just came back and his bacteria and fungal markers are still way too high. We took the test the day after we started SCD. We started flagyl today and in 3 days overlap with vancomycin then 30 days of diflucan. Are you all saying that the diet alone made the markers go down that quickly? Am I jumping the gun on the meds? I have tried natural remedies galore plus sugar free (prior to SCD) and the markers have barely changed over 1 1/2 yrs. I have also heard that clostridia can easily return and is difficult to get rid of? Has anyone had this problem or had success in treating it for good? Janet, mom to Cody- 5 yrs old- multi food allergies and issues- SCD since 4-17-06 > > I > > just got his latest OATS and he is normal in aribinose and also the > > DHPPA marker for clostridia. I don't remember when both of these > > were normal!! > > A friend of mine started SCD 2 weeks after we did on her 5 yo ASD son. > She's not on this list. > > She just called me to say that his microbial OAT came back very good! > His bacteria markers were all normal after being very high. Two yeast > indicator were a little high, but much better than before. She didn't > even do the intro diet or gradual introduction of foods, just cut out > all foods that aren't legal. SO now she will cut back to some easier to > digest foods and see what happens. > > Becky > mom to Noah (6, HFA) and (3, NT) > SCD 2 months > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2006 Report Share Posted May 8, 2006 Yes, my son Simon had terrible trouble with Clostridia. Saccromyces boulliardii finally took care of it - not sure whether it's SC legal, but S.B. is touted as being able to succesfully treat and prevent clostridia's recurrence in a lot of kids, which is huge, considering how difficult it is to get rid of. It was mentioned a lot at the last DAN conference (Simon went on it almost 2 years ago). Debbie - Mom of Simon, gradually fading into SCD from 6 years of GFCFSF, gearing up for intro diet (July 3rd target date for that!) At 01:36 PM 5/8/2006, you wrote: >That's encouraging to know- that's what we did- jumped right in. My >son's OAT just came back and his bacteria and fungal markers are >still way too high. We took the test the day after we started SCD. >We started flagyl today and in 3 days overlap with vancomycin then >30 days of diflucan. >Are you all saying that the diet alone made the markers go down that >quickly? >Am I jumping the gun on the meds? I have tried natural remedies >galore plus sugar free (prior to SCD) and the markers have barely >changed over 1 1/2 yrs. >I have also heard that clostridia can easily return and is difficult >to get rid of? Has anyone had this problem or had success in >treating it for good? >Janet, mom to Cody- 5 yrs old- multi food allergies and issues- SCD >since 4-17-06 > > > > > > > I > > > just got his latest OATS and he is normal in aribinose and also >the > > > DHPPA marker for clostridia. I don't remember when both of these > > > were normal!! > > > > A friend of mine started SCD 2 weeks after we did on her 5 yo ASD >son. > > She's not on this list. > > > > She just called me to say that his microbial OAT came back very >good! > > His bacteria markers were all normal after being very high. Two >yeast > > indicator were a little high, but much better than before. She >didn't > > even do the intro diet or gradual introduction of foods, just cut >out > > all foods that aren't legal. SO now she will cut back to some >easier to > > digest foods and see what happens. > > > > Becky > > mom to Noah (6, HFA) and (3, NT) > > SCD 2 months > > > > > > > > > > >For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book >_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following >websites: >http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info >and >http://www.pecanbread.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2006 Report Share Posted May 8, 2006 Yes, my son Simon had terrible trouble with Clostridia. Saccromyces boulliardii finally took care of it - not sure whether it's SC legal, but S.B. is touted as being able to succesfully treat and prevent clostridia's recurrence in a lot of kids, which is huge, considering how difficult it is to get rid of. It was mentioned a lot at the last DAN conference (Simon went on it almost 2 years ago). Debbie - Mom of Simon, gradually fading into SCD from 6 years of GFCFSF, gearing up for intro diet (July 3rd target date for that!) At 01:36 PM 5/8/2006, you wrote: >That's encouraging to know- that's what we did- jumped right in. My >son's OAT just came back and his bacteria and fungal markers are >still way too high. We took the test the day after we started SCD. >We started flagyl today and in 3 days overlap with vancomycin then >30 days of diflucan. >Are you all saying that the diet alone made the markers go down that >quickly? >Am I jumping the gun on the meds? I have tried natural remedies >galore plus sugar free (prior to SCD) and the markers have barely >changed over 1 1/2 yrs. >I have also heard that clostridia can easily return and is difficult >to get rid of? Has anyone had this problem or had success in >treating it for good? >Janet, mom to Cody- 5 yrs old- multi food allergies and issues- SCD >since 4-17-06 > > > > > > > I > > > just got his latest OATS and he is normal in aribinose and also >the > > > DHPPA marker for clostridia. I don't remember when both of these > > > were normal!! > > > > A friend of mine started SCD 2 weeks after we did on her 5 yo ASD >son. > > She's not on this list. > > > > She just called me to say that his microbial OAT came back very >good! > > His bacteria markers were all normal after being very high. Two >yeast > > indicator were a little high, but much better than before. She >didn't > > even do the intro diet or gradual introduction of foods, just cut >out > > all foods that aren't legal. SO now she will cut back to some >easier to > > digest foods and see what happens. > > > > Becky > > mom to Noah (6, HFA) and (3, NT) > > SCD 2 months > > > > > > > > > > >For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book >_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following >websites: >http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info >and >http://www.pecanbread.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2006 Report Share Posted May 8, 2006 Thanks Debbie! When we tried SCD last year for a short time I remember some good info about Saccromyces boulliardii coming through the list and printed it out for future reference. Will definitely look into it further. Do you still have to periodically give it to keep the Clostridia at bay, or once it was gone did it finally stay gone? Janet, mom to Cody- 5 yrs old- multi food allergies and issues- SCD since 4-17-06 and 3 lbs gained!! (Hooray- he needs it!) > > Yes, my son Simon had terrible trouble with Clostridia. Saccromyces > boulliardii finally took care of it - not sure whether it's SC legal, but > S.B. is touted as being able to succesfully treat and prevent clostridia's > recurrence in a lot of kids, which is huge, considering how difficult it is > to get rid of. It was mentioned a lot at the last DAN conference (Simon > went on it almost 2 years ago). > > Debbie - Mom of Simon, gradually fading into SCD from 6 years of GFCFSF, > gearing up for intro diet (July 3rd target date for that!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2006 Report Share Posted May 9, 2006 Thanks, that helps a lot! Hopefully, ARI will put the last conference on DAN Webcast too and I can see the whole segment on the SB and supps. I'm definitely asking our doc about putting him on it as soon as we finish the rounds of meds. That is one natural remedy I haven't tried yet. Janet, mom to Cody- 5 yrs old- SCD since 4-17-06- multi food allergies and issues- currently on flagyl, soon vancomycin then diflucan for bacteria, parasites & yeast- gained 3 lbs since starting SCD! > > Janet, > After lab testing showed that the clostridia was still gone after 2 years > this past January, I pulled the saccro. b. for a while to give his body a > break from it (for a little over 2 months). Then after the DAN conference, > I put him back on it based on advice at an evening session on diets and > supplements. Honestly, I'm not sure whether that was the right thing to do > or not - you know how it is - sometimes I feel like we're the " blind > leading the blind " with some of these things... but I am indeed afraid of > the clostridia coming back - it is so hard to get rid of. > Not sure if this helps.... > Debbie, Mom to Simon, ASD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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