Jump to content
RemedySpot.com

Re: Children with Starving Brains

Rate this topic


Guest guest

Recommended Posts

Guest guest

Antoinette/ anyone who might know,

Does the newest edition of Dr. McCandless' book reccomend SCD over GFCFSF?

Agape,

kikijabunce wrote:

Here is an old post about chelation I thought those may be

interested in. This explains why some may not be having success.

It is believed that a child should have healed on the SCDie for a

minimum of a year before starting chelation. And that SCD alone is

a natural and gentle way to detox the body from junk that doesn't

belong in it. And that chelation can cause an overgrowth of the bad

guys to come back, and that Elaine didn't like it untill the

intestines had HEALED for a minimum of one year and the vicious

cycle of bacteria overgrowth had been put into check through this

wonderful diet plan.

This is also why other plans do not work, because they offer foods

that are not monodisacharides, or offer hard to digest food that do

not digest and just sit in the child's healing and injured gut to

ferment and feed the bad guys!

Food that is not digested sits and ferments...so becareful in the

beginning to only feed a HEALING child/adult only foods that are SCD

safe and easy to digest, allowing as much variety as possible. The

phenol/salicylate sensitivity and the oxalate issues will vanish

rather FAST on a strict SCDiet....many supposed food intolerances

and allergy vanish that first year on a strict SCDiet.

Dr. Haas and Elaine said that sensitivity issues can leave as fast

as the first month, because sthe gut heals fast with a good

introductory...causing a good die off, and aiding in stopping the

vicous cycle of bad gut guy overgrowth and allowing the gut to

repopulate with the good guys in the yogurt (which by far offers

more good guyt guys than any other method).

But have your activated charocal handy and epson salts bath soaks

ready, because for smoe of us this transisiton can cause " die off "

and this appears to be the flu (irritabiltiy, dizzyness, aches,

cramps,diarrhea, nausea and more), and can make behaviors worse for

a while, untill you get over that initial much needed hump. This is

the TRansistion that Elaine warns about in the back of the Autism

chapter in her BTVC book.

We are now, 2+ months and getting over that initial hump and seeing

unbelievaable progress in our Autistic daughter kiki/her diagnosis

malabsorption/injured gut/celiac nad Autism. Doing nothing but SCd

rigfht now and having this kind of susssess, and also using the SCD

24 hour goat yogurt,with the rendered harmless casein. This yogurt

works because unlike probiotic supplements it adds millions of good

gut guys (warriors) to fight off teh bad gut guys. We are finnaly

winning the war without anything but the SCDiet that saved over 600

children/people in Dr Haas day and have saved thousands since Elaine

brought this solution back to us.

Sincerely Antoinette

HERE THEY ARE (Cut and paste)

Chelation and SCD

We are starting to naturally chelate my son's gut. We are using

vitamin C

and cilantro. We keep a careful eye out on his carbs (legal) while

doing

so to keep the yeast at bay.

I think he is so healed, that he is actually absorbing the cilantro

and

vitamin C and antioxidants he gets via food. I don't think we could

have

even attempted this prior to being on the diet for over a year. We

are

seeing great results..

Best wishes,. Jen.

Since SCD there has been much more spontaneous, interactive

conversation

and play as well as an ability to attend. We are also chelating, but

we

chelated for a year before going on SCD and it is only since SCD that

we've noticed the dramatic changes. I think SCD is helping chelate

more

effectively.

Marisol.

[Marisol does the DAN protocol]

I have no experience with chelation and this is one area in which I

dare

not get involved. There are many who believe, based on allergists'

advice, that the basic problem is accumulation of toxic heavy

metals. I,

personally, feel that (as in Alzheimer's with aluminum) it is a

result of

faulty cellular metabolism which is probably due to malabsorption of

other nutrients . These essential nutrients which are probably not

being

absorbed would rid the cells of anything that does not belong in the

cells. But, again, I know little more than that. I studied the

detoxification systems of the body including the P-450 system of the

liver (very dependent on Vitamin C) but feel my information is

incomplete.

Elaine Gottschall

I totally agree with Elaine's view that the gut

pathogens /malabsorption

problem is destroying our children's ability to detoxify naturally.

The

DAN doctors ,who are chelating ASD children, have found out that

DMSA and

ALA increase the gut bugs.They also have found out that increased gut

bugs impair detoxification.This information is explained in great

detail

in Dr Mc Candless' book " Children with Starving Brains " .

The best help for chelation is to follow the SCD diet along with your

favorite detoxification protocol .

Some parents are decideding to skip chelation and to just let the

child

detox naturally after he is healed by SCD.

--

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest guest

Antoinette/ anyone who might know,

Does the newest edition of Dr. McCandless' book reccomend SCD over GFCFSF?

Agape,

kikijabunce wrote:

Here is an old post about chelation I thought those may be

interested in. This explains why some may not be having success.

It is believed that a child should have healed on the SCDie for a

minimum of a year before starting chelation. And that SCD alone is

a natural and gentle way to detox the body from junk that doesn't

belong in it. And that chelation can cause an overgrowth of the bad

guys to come back, and that Elaine didn't like it untill the

intestines had HEALED for a minimum of one year and the vicious

cycle of bacteria overgrowth had been put into check through this

wonderful diet plan.

This is also why other plans do not work, because they offer foods

that are not monodisacharides, or offer hard to digest food that do

not digest and just sit in the child's healing and injured gut to

ferment and feed the bad guys!

Food that is not digested sits and ferments...so becareful in the

beginning to only feed a HEALING child/adult only foods that are SCD

safe and easy to digest, allowing as much variety as possible. The

phenol/salicylate sensitivity and the oxalate issues will vanish

rather FAST on a strict SCDiet....many supposed food intolerances

and allergy vanish that first year on a strict SCDiet.

Dr. Haas and Elaine said that sensitivity issues can leave as fast

as the first month, because sthe gut heals fast with a good

introductory...causing a good die off, and aiding in stopping the

vicous cycle of bad gut guy overgrowth and allowing the gut to

repopulate with the good guys in the yogurt (which by far offers

more good guyt guys than any other method).

But have your activated charocal handy and epson salts bath soaks

ready, because for smoe of us this transisiton can cause " die off "

and this appears to be the flu (irritabiltiy, dizzyness, aches,

cramps,diarrhea, nausea and more), and can make behaviors worse for

a while, untill you get over that initial much needed hump. This is

the TRansistion that Elaine warns about in the back of the Autism

chapter in her BTVC book.

We are now, 2+ months and getting over that initial hump and seeing

unbelievaable progress in our Autistic daughter kiki/her diagnosis

malabsorption/injured gut/celiac nad Autism. Doing nothing but SCd

rigfht now and having this kind of susssess, and also using the SCD

24 hour goat yogurt,with the rendered harmless casein. This yogurt

works because unlike probiotic supplements it adds millions of good

gut guys (warriors) to fight off teh bad gut guys. We are finnaly

winning the war without anything but the SCDiet that saved over 600

children/people in Dr Haas day and have saved thousands since Elaine

brought this solution back to us.

Sincerely Antoinette

HERE THEY ARE (Cut and paste)

Chelation and SCD

We are starting to naturally chelate my son's gut. We are using

vitamin C

and cilantro. We keep a careful eye out on his carbs (legal) while

doing

so to keep the yeast at bay.

I think he is so healed, that he is actually absorbing the cilantro

and

vitamin C and antioxidants he gets via food. I don't think we could

have

even attempted this prior to being on the diet for over a year. We

are

seeing great results..

Best wishes,. Jen.

Since SCD there has been much more spontaneous, interactive

conversation

and play as well as an ability to attend. We are also chelating, but

we

chelated for a year before going on SCD and it is only since SCD that

we've noticed the dramatic changes. I think SCD is helping chelate

more

effectively.

Marisol.

[Marisol does the DAN protocol]

I have no experience with chelation and this is one area in which I

dare

not get involved. There are many who believe, based on allergists'

advice, that the basic problem is accumulation of toxic heavy

metals. I,

personally, feel that (as in Alzheimer's with aluminum) it is a

result of

faulty cellular metabolism which is probably due to malabsorption of

other nutrients . These essential nutrients which are probably not

being

absorbed would rid the cells of anything that does not belong in the

cells. But, again, I know little more than that. I studied the

detoxification systems of the body including the P-450 system of the

liver (very dependent on Vitamin C) but feel my information is

incomplete.

Elaine Gottschall

I totally agree with Elaine's view that the gut

pathogens /malabsorption

problem is destroying our children's ability to detoxify naturally.

The

DAN doctors ,who are chelating ASD children, have found out that

DMSA and

ALA increase the gut bugs.They also have found out that increased gut

bugs impair detoxification.This information is explained in great

detail

in Dr Mc Candless' book " Children with Starving Brains " .

The best help for chelation is to follow the SCD diet along with your

favorite detoxification protocol .

Some parents are decideding to skip chelation and to just let the

child

detox naturally after he is healed by SCD.

--

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

and

http://www.pecanbread.com

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest guest

Surprisingly, it does not. Dr. JM is still a big fan of the opioid

theory (which I agree with), but seems to beleive SCD is reserved

for severe gut kids. She endorses SCD, but doesn't push for it.

A more pro-SCD biomedical book is the book by Sid Baker and Jon

Pangborn " Effective Biomedical Treatments for Autism " (I think

that's the title).

Suzanne

> Here is an old post about chelation I thought those may be

> interested in. This explains why some may not be having success.

> It is believed that a child should have healed on the SCDie for a

> minimum of a year before starting chelation. And that SCD alone

is

> a natural and gentle way to detox the body from junk that doesn't

> belong in it. And that chelation can cause an overgrowth of the

bad

> guys to come back, and that Elaine didn't like it untill the

> intestines had HEALED for a minimum of one year and the vicious

> cycle of bacteria overgrowth had been put into check through this

> wonderful diet plan.

>

> This is also why other plans do not work, because they offer foods

> that are not monodisacharides, or offer hard to digest food that

do

> not digest and just sit in the child's healing and injured gut to

> ferment and feed the bad guys!

>

> Food that is not digested sits and ferments...so becareful in the

> beginning to only feed a HEALING child/adult only foods that are

SCD

> safe and easy to digest, allowing as much variety as possible.

The

> phenol/salicylate sensitivity and the oxalate issues will vanish

> rather FAST on a strict SCDiet....many supposed food intolerances

> and allergy vanish that first year on a strict SCDiet.

>

> Dr. Haas and Elaine said that sensitivity issues can leave as fast

> as the first month, because sthe gut heals fast with a good

> introductory...causing a good die off, and aiding in stopping the

> vicous cycle of bad gut guy overgrowth and allowing the gut to

> repopulate with the good guys in the yogurt (which by far offers

> more good guyt guys than any other method).

>

> But have your activated charocal handy and epson salts bath soaks

> ready, because for smoe of us this transisiton can cause " die off "

> and this appears to be the flu (irritabiltiy, dizzyness, aches,

> cramps,diarrhea, nausea and more), and can make behaviors worse

for

> a while, untill you get over that initial much needed hump. This

is

> the TRansistion that Elaine warns about in the back of the Autism

> chapter in her BTVC book.

>

> We are now, 2+ months and getting over that initial hump and

seeing

> unbelievaable progress in our Autistic daughter kiki/her diagnosis

> malabsorption/injured gut/celiac nad Autism. Doing nothing but

SCd

> rigfht now and having this kind of susssess, and also using the

SCD

> 24 hour goat yogurt,with the rendered harmless casein. This

yogurt

> works because unlike probiotic supplements it adds millions of

good

> gut guys (warriors) to fight off teh bad gut guys. We are finnaly

> winning the war without anything but the SCDiet that saved over

600

> children/people in Dr Haas day and have saved thousands since

Elaine

> brought this solution back to us.

>

> Sincerely Antoinette

>

>

> HERE THEY ARE (Cut and paste)

>

>

>

> Chelation and SCD

>

>

> We are starting to naturally chelate my son's gut. We are using

> vitamin C

> and cilantro. We keep a careful eye out on his carbs (legal) while

> doing

> so to keep the yeast at bay.

>

> I think he is so healed, that he is actually absorbing the

cilantro

> and

> vitamin C and antioxidants he gets via food. I don't think we

could

> have

> even attempted this prior to being on the diet for over a year. We

> are

> seeing great results..

>

> Best wishes,. Jen.

>

> Since SCD there has been much more spontaneous, interactive

> conversation

> and play as well as an ability to attend. We are also chelating,

but

> we

> chelated for a year before going on SCD and it is only since SCD

that

> we've noticed the dramatic changes. I think SCD is helping chelate

> more

> effectively.

>

> Marisol.

>

> [Marisol does the DAN protocol]

>

> I have no experience with chelation and this is one area in which

I

> dare

> not get involved. There are many who believe, based on allergists'

> advice, that the basic problem is accumulation of toxic heavy

> metals. I,

> personally, feel that (as in Alzheimer's with aluminum) it is a

> result of

> faulty cellular metabolism which is probably due to malabsorption

of

> other nutrients . These essential nutrients which are probably not

> being

> absorbed would rid the cells of anything that does not belong in

the

> cells. But, again, I know little more than that. I studied the

> detoxification systems of the body including the P-450 system of

the

> liver (very dependent on Vitamin C) but feel my information is

> incomplete.

>

> Elaine Gottschall

>

> I totally agree with Elaine's view that the gut

> pathogens /malabsorption

> problem is destroying our children's ability to detoxify

naturally.

> The

> DAN doctors ,who are chelating ASD children, have found out that

> DMSA and

> ALA increase the gut bugs.They also have found out that increased

gut

> bugs impair detoxification.This information is explained in great

> detail

> in Dr Mc Candless' book " Children with Starving Brains " .

>

> The best help for chelation is to follow the SCD diet along with

your

> favorite detoxification protocol .

>

> Some parents are decideding to skip chelation and to just let the

> child

> detox naturally after he is healed by SCD.

>

>

>

> --

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the

book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the

following websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

>

>

>

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest guest

Surprisingly, it does not. Dr. JM is still a big fan of the opioid

theory (which I agree with), but seems to beleive SCD is reserved

for severe gut kids. She endorses SCD, but doesn't push for it.

A more pro-SCD biomedical book is the book by Sid Baker and Jon

Pangborn " Effective Biomedical Treatments for Autism " (I think

that's the title).

Suzanne

> Here is an old post about chelation I thought those may be

> interested in. This explains why some may not be having success.

> It is believed that a child should have healed on the SCDie for a

> minimum of a year before starting chelation. And that SCD alone

is

> a natural and gentle way to detox the body from junk that doesn't

> belong in it. And that chelation can cause an overgrowth of the

bad

> guys to come back, and that Elaine didn't like it untill the

> intestines had HEALED for a minimum of one year and the vicious

> cycle of bacteria overgrowth had been put into check through this

> wonderful diet plan.

>

> This is also why other plans do not work, because they offer foods

> that are not monodisacharides, or offer hard to digest food that

do

> not digest and just sit in the child's healing and injured gut to

> ferment and feed the bad guys!

>

> Food that is not digested sits and ferments...so becareful in the

> beginning to only feed a HEALING child/adult only foods that are

SCD

> safe and easy to digest, allowing as much variety as possible.

The

> phenol/salicylate sensitivity and the oxalate issues will vanish

> rather FAST on a strict SCDiet....many supposed food intolerances

> and allergy vanish that first year on a strict SCDiet.

>

> Dr. Haas and Elaine said that sensitivity issues can leave as fast

> as the first month, because sthe gut heals fast with a good

> introductory...causing a good die off, and aiding in stopping the

> vicous cycle of bad gut guy overgrowth and allowing the gut to

> repopulate with the good guys in the yogurt (which by far offers

> more good guyt guys than any other method).

>

> But have your activated charocal handy and epson salts bath soaks

> ready, because for smoe of us this transisiton can cause " die off "

> and this appears to be the flu (irritabiltiy, dizzyness, aches,

> cramps,diarrhea, nausea and more), and can make behaviors worse

for

> a while, untill you get over that initial much needed hump. This

is

> the TRansistion that Elaine warns about in the back of the Autism

> chapter in her BTVC book.

>

> We are now, 2+ months and getting over that initial hump and

seeing

> unbelievaable progress in our Autistic daughter kiki/her diagnosis

> malabsorption/injured gut/celiac nad Autism. Doing nothing but

SCd

> rigfht now and having this kind of susssess, and also using the

SCD

> 24 hour goat yogurt,with the rendered harmless casein. This

yogurt

> works because unlike probiotic supplements it adds millions of

good

> gut guys (warriors) to fight off teh bad gut guys. We are finnaly

> winning the war without anything but the SCDiet that saved over

600

> children/people in Dr Haas day and have saved thousands since

Elaine

> brought this solution back to us.

>

> Sincerely Antoinette

>

>

> HERE THEY ARE (Cut and paste)

>

>

>

> Chelation and SCD

>

>

> We are starting to naturally chelate my son's gut. We are using

> vitamin C

> and cilantro. We keep a careful eye out on his carbs (legal) while

> doing

> so to keep the yeast at bay.

>

> I think he is so healed, that he is actually absorbing the

cilantro

> and

> vitamin C and antioxidants he gets via food. I don't think we

could

> have

> even attempted this prior to being on the diet for over a year. We

> are

> seeing great results..

>

> Best wishes,. Jen.

>

> Since SCD there has been much more spontaneous, interactive

> conversation

> and play as well as an ability to attend. We are also chelating,

but

> we

> chelated for a year before going on SCD and it is only since SCD

that

> we've noticed the dramatic changes. I think SCD is helping chelate

> more

> effectively.

>

> Marisol.

>

> [Marisol does the DAN protocol]

>

> I have no experience with chelation and this is one area in which

I

> dare

> not get involved. There are many who believe, based on allergists'

> advice, that the basic problem is accumulation of toxic heavy

> metals. I,

> personally, feel that (as in Alzheimer's with aluminum) it is a

> result of

> faulty cellular metabolism which is probably due to malabsorption

of

> other nutrients . These essential nutrients which are probably not

> being

> absorbed would rid the cells of anything that does not belong in

the

> cells. But, again, I know little more than that. I studied the

> detoxification systems of the body including the P-450 system of

the

> liver (very dependent on Vitamin C) but feel my information is

> incomplete.

>

> Elaine Gottschall

>

> I totally agree with Elaine's view that the gut

> pathogens /malabsorption

> problem is destroying our children's ability to detoxify

naturally.

> The

> DAN doctors ,who are chelating ASD children, have found out that

> DMSA and

> ALA increase the gut bugs.They also have found out that increased

gut

> bugs impair detoxification.This information is explained in great

> detail

> in Dr Mc Candless' book " Children with Starving Brains " .

>

> The best help for chelation is to follow the SCD diet along with

your

> favorite detoxification protocol .

>

> Some parents are decideding to skip chelation and to just let the

> child

> detox naturally after he is healed by SCD.

>

>

>

> --

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the

book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the

following websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

>

>

>

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest guest

My edition of starving brains only recommends GFCFSF which is truly

sad. Has some good and wonderful explanations of what happens when

the viscious cycle goes unchecked though. In my opinion and

Elaine's, very frightening about the diet she promotes though.

Since Dr. Haas and Elaine knew that the only way this vicious cycle

is truly ended is with a monodisacharide diet/scd, the way she

suggest to eat in her book we hae personaly experienced disasterous.

We had success last year doing this for a while, because I think it

started an initial die off or something. But it didn't last for

long. All the symptoms came back with a vengence!

We truly learned from personal experience that GFCFSF and even the

paleo diet DOES NOT WORK...I wish we had known, because we wasted

prescious time. Our poor children continued to have starving brains

needlessly.

But like many here, I didn't know that I was feeding them foods that

kept the visous cycle going...I thought I was doing a good job

GFCFSF because at the time I thought this was hard.

If We had realized the MEDICAL NECESITY of stoping the vicious cycle

so that their poor brains could get the foods they needed to not be

ADHD or AUTISTIC, is God is my wittness I would have done this

sooner...all the sacrafices and all. SCD just doesn't look that bad

when you put it in the light of MEDICAL NECESITY and not persoal

choice.

Sincerely, Antoinette

(2+ months SCD and seeing a miracle in all of us) Family Problems:

malabsorption/injured gut/celiac that lead to a starving brain that

cuased: ADHD, Autism, mental illness, strange behaviors and rage

attacks....now doing better thank God!)

> Here is an old post about chelation I thought those may be

> interested in. This explains why some may not be having success.

> It is believed that a child should have healed on the SCDie for a

> minimum of a year before starting chelation. And that SCD alone

is

> a natural and gentle way to detox the body from junk that doesn't

> belong in it. And that chelation can cause an overgrowth of the

bad

> guys to come back, and that Elaine didn't like it untill the

> intestines had HEALED for a minimum of one year and the vicious

> cycle of bacteria overgrowth had been put into check through this

> wonderful diet plan.

>

> This is also why other plans do not work, because they offer foods

> that are not monodisacharides, or offer hard to digest food that

do

> not digest and just sit in the child's healing and injured gut to

> ferment and feed the bad guys!

>

> Food that is not digested sits and ferments...so becareful in the

> beginning to only feed a HEALING child/adult only foods that are

SCD

> safe and easy to digest, allowing as much variety as possible.

The

> phenol/salicylate sensitivity and the oxalate issues will vanish

> rather FAST on a strict SCDiet....many supposed food intolerances

> and allergy vanish that first year on a strict SCDiet.

>

> Dr. Haas and Elaine said that sensitivity issues can leave as fast

> as the first month, because sthe gut heals fast with a good

> introductory...causing a good die off, and aiding in stopping the

> vicous cycle of bad gut guy overgrowth and allowing the gut to

> repopulate with the good guys in the yogurt (which by far offers

> more good guyt guys than any other method).

>

> But have your activated charocal handy and epson salts bath soaks

> ready, because for smoe of us this transisiton can cause " die off "

> and this appears to be the flu (irritabiltiy, dizzyness, aches,

> cramps,diarrhea, nausea and more), and can make behaviors worse

for

> a while, untill you get over that initial much needed hump. This

is

> the TRansistion that Elaine warns about in the back of the Autism

> chapter in her BTVC book.

>

> We are now, 2+ months and getting over that initial hump and

seeing

> unbelievaable progress in our Autistic daughter kiki/her diagnosis

> malabsorption/injured gut/celiac nad Autism. Doing nothing but

SCd

> rigfht now and having this kind of susssess, and also using the

SCD

> 24 hour goat yogurt,with the rendered harmless casein. This

yogurt

> works because unlike probiotic supplements it adds millions of

good

> gut guys (warriors) to fight off teh bad gut guys. We are finnaly

> winning the war without anything but the SCDiet that saved over

600

> children/people in Dr Haas day and have saved thousands since

Elaine

> brought this solution back to us.

>

> Sincerely Antoinette

>

>

> HERE THEY ARE (Cut and paste)

>

>

>

> Chelation and SCD

>

>

> We are starting to naturally chelate my son's gut. We are using

> vitamin C

> and cilantro. We keep a careful eye out on his carbs (legal) while

> doing

> so to keep the yeast at bay.

>

> I think he is so healed, that he is actually absorbing the

cilantro

> and

> vitamin C and antioxidants he gets via food. I don't think we

could

> have

> even attempted this prior to being on the diet for over a year. We

> are

> seeing great results..

>

> Best wishes,. Jen.

>

> Since SCD there has been much more spontaneous, interactive

> conversation

> and play as well as an ability to attend. We are also chelating,

but

> we

> chelated for a year before going on SCD and it is only since SCD

that

> we've noticed the dramatic changes. I think SCD is helping chelate

> more

> effectively.

>

> Marisol.

>

> [Marisol does the DAN protocol]

>

> I have no experience with chelation and this is one area in which

I

> dare

> not get involved. There are many who believe, based on allergists'

> advice, that the basic problem is accumulation of toxic heavy

> metals. I,

> personally, feel that (as in Alzheimer's with aluminum) it is a

> result of

> faulty cellular metabolism which is probably due to malabsorption

of

> other nutrients . These essential nutrients which are probably not

> being

> absorbed would rid the cells of anything that does not belong in

the

> cells. But, again, I know little more than that. I studied the

> detoxification systems of the body including the P-450 system of

the

> liver (very dependent on Vitamin C) but feel my information is

> incomplete.

>

> Elaine Gottschall

>

> I totally agree with Elaine's view that the gut

> pathogens /malabsorption

> problem is destroying our children's ability to detoxify

naturally.

> The

> DAN doctors ,who are chelating ASD children, have found out that

> DMSA and

> ALA increase the gut bugs.They also have found out that increased

gut

> bugs impair detoxification.This information is explained in great

> detail

> in Dr Mc Candless' book " Children with Starving Brains " .

>

> The best help for chelation is to follow the SCD diet along with

your

> favorite detoxification protocol .

>

> Some parents are decideding to skip chelation and to just let the

> child

> detox naturally after he is healed by SCD.

>

>

>

> --

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the

book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the

following websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

>

>

>

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest guest

My edition of starving brains only recommends GFCFSF which is truly

sad. Has some good and wonderful explanations of what happens when

the viscious cycle goes unchecked though. In my opinion and

Elaine's, very frightening about the diet she promotes though.

Since Dr. Haas and Elaine knew that the only way this vicious cycle

is truly ended is with a monodisacharide diet/scd, the way she

suggest to eat in her book we hae personaly experienced disasterous.

We had success last year doing this for a while, because I think it

started an initial die off or something. But it didn't last for

long. All the symptoms came back with a vengence!

We truly learned from personal experience that GFCFSF and even the

paleo diet DOES NOT WORK...I wish we had known, because we wasted

prescious time. Our poor children continued to have starving brains

needlessly.

But like many here, I didn't know that I was feeding them foods that

kept the visous cycle going...I thought I was doing a good job

GFCFSF because at the time I thought this was hard.

If We had realized the MEDICAL NECESITY of stoping the vicious cycle

so that their poor brains could get the foods they needed to not be

ADHD or AUTISTIC, is God is my wittness I would have done this

sooner...all the sacrafices and all. SCD just doesn't look that bad

when you put it in the light of MEDICAL NECESITY and not persoal

choice.

Sincerely, Antoinette

(2+ months SCD and seeing a miracle in all of us) Family Problems:

malabsorption/injured gut/celiac that lead to a starving brain that

cuased: ADHD, Autism, mental illness, strange behaviors and rage

attacks....now doing better thank God!)

> Here is an old post about chelation I thought those may be

> interested in. This explains why some may not be having success.

> It is believed that a child should have healed on the SCDie for a

> minimum of a year before starting chelation. And that SCD alone

is

> a natural and gentle way to detox the body from junk that doesn't

> belong in it. And that chelation can cause an overgrowth of the

bad

> guys to come back, and that Elaine didn't like it untill the

> intestines had HEALED for a minimum of one year and the vicious

> cycle of bacteria overgrowth had been put into check through this

> wonderful diet plan.

>

> This is also why other plans do not work, because they offer foods

> that are not monodisacharides, or offer hard to digest food that

do

> not digest and just sit in the child's healing and injured gut to

> ferment and feed the bad guys!

>

> Food that is not digested sits and ferments...so becareful in the

> beginning to only feed a HEALING child/adult only foods that are

SCD

> safe and easy to digest, allowing as much variety as possible.

The

> phenol/salicylate sensitivity and the oxalate issues will vanish

> rather FAST on a strict SCDiet....many supposed food intolerances

> and allergy vanish that first year on a strict SCDiet.

>

> Dr. Haas and Elaine said that sensitivity issues can leave as fast

> as the first month, because sthe gut heals fast with a good

> introductory...causing a good die off, and aiding in stopping the

> vicous cycle of bad gut guy overgrowth and allowing the gut to

> repopulate with the good guys in the yogurt (which by far offers

> more good guyt guys than any other method).

>

> But have your activated charocal handy and epson salts bath soaks

> ready, because for smoe of us this transisiton can cause " die off "

> and this appears to be the flu (irritabiltiy, dizzyness, aches,

> cramps,diarrhea, nausea and more), and can make behaviors worse

for

> a while, untill you get over that initial much needed hump. This

is

> the TRansistion that Elaine warns about in the back of the Autism

> chapter in her BTVC book.

>

> We are now, 2+ months and getting over that initial hump and

seeing

> unbelievaable progress in our Autistic daughter kiki/her diagnosis

> malabsorption/injured gut/celiac nad Autism. Doing nothing but

SCd

> rigfht now and having this kind of susssess, and also using the

SCD

> 24 hour goat yogurt,with the rendered harmless casein. This

yogurt

> works because unlike probiotic supplements it adds millions of

good

> gut guys (warriors) to fight off teh bad gut guys. We are finnaly

> winning the war without anything but the SCDiet that saved over

600

> children/people in Dr Haas day and have saved thousands since

Elaine

> brought this solution back to us.

>

> Sincerely Antoinette

>

>

> HERE THEY ARE (Cut and paste)

>

>

>

> Chelation and SCD

>

>

> We are starting to naturally chelate my son's gut. We are using

> vitamin C

> and cilantro. We keep a careful eye out on his carbs (legal) while

> doing

> so to keep the yeast at bay.

>

> I think he is so healed, that he is actually absorbing the

cilantro

> and

> vitamin C and antioxidants he gets via food. I don't think we

could

> have

> even attempted this prior to being on the diet for over a year. We

> are

> seeing great results..

>

> Best wishes,. Jen.

>

> Since SCD there has been much more spontaneous, interactive

> conversation

> and play as well as an ability to attend. We are also chelating,

but

> we

> chelated for a year before going on SCD and it is only since SCD

that

> we've noticed the dramatic changes. I think SCD is helping chelate

> more

> effectively.

>

> Marisol.

>

> [Marisol does the DAN protocol]

>

> I have no experience with chelation and this is one area in which

I

> dare

> not get involved. There are many who believe, based on allergists'

> advice, that the basic problem is accumulation of toxic heavy

> metals. I,

> personally, feel that (as in Alzheimer's with aluminum) it is a

> result of

> faulty cellular metabolism which is probably due to malabsorption

of

> other nutrients . These essential nutrients which are probably not

> being

> absorbed would rid the cells of anything that does not belong in

the

> cells. But, again, I know little more than that. I studied the

> detoxification systems of the body including the P-450 system of

the

> liver (very dependent on Vitamin C) but feel my information is

> incomplete.

>

> Elaine Gottschall

>

> I totally agree with Elaine's view that the gut

> pathogens /malabsorption

> problem is destroying our children's ability to detoxify

naturally.

> The

> DAN doctors ,who are chelating ASD children, have found out that

> DMSA and

> ALA increase the gut bugs.They also have found out that increased

gut

> bugs impair detoxification.This information is explained in great

> detail

> in Dr Mc Candless' book " Children with Starving Brains " .

>

> The best help for chelation is to follow the SCD diet along with

your

> favorite detoxification protocol .

>

> Some parents are decideding to skip chelation and to just let the

> child

> detox naturally after he is healed by SCD.

>

>

>

> --

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the

book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the

following websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

>

>

>

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest guest

Thanks Suzanne,

You're a wealth of info.

So Dr. JM does mention SCD?in her newest ed.? ...

Suzanne wrote:

Surprisingly, it does not. Dr. JM is still a big fan of the opioid

theory (which I agree with), but seems to beleive SCD is reserved

for severe gut kids. She endorses SCD, but doesn't push for it.

A more pro-SCD biomedical book is the book by Sid Baker and Jon

Pangborn " Effective Biomedical Treatments for Autism " (I think

that's the title).

Suzanne

>

> Antoinette/ anyone who might know,

> Does the newest edition of Dr. McCandless' book reccomend SCD

over GFCFSF?

> Agape,

>

>

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the

book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the

following websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

>

>

>

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest guest

Thanks Suzanne,

You're a wealth of info.

So Dr. JM does mention SCD?in her newest ed.? ...

Suzanne wrote:

Surprisingly, it does not. Dr. JM is still a big fan of the opioid

theory (which I agree with), but seems to beleive SCD is reserved

for severe gut kids. She endorses SCD, but doesn't push for it.

A more pro-SCD biomedical book is the book by Sid Baker and Jon

Pangborn " Effective Biomedical Treatments for Autism " (I think

that's the title).

Suzanne

>

> Antoinette/ anyone who might know,

> Does the newest edition of Dr. McCandless' book reccomend SCD

over GFCFSF?

> Agape,

>

>

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the

book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the

following websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

>

>

>

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest guest

Yes, I tell people to substitute SCD for GFCFSF when they read the book.

I was just wondering if the newest ed. acknowledged SCD. I'm going to have to

get the Pangborn book.

Agape,

kikijabunce wrote:

My edition of starving brains only recommends GFCFSF which is truly

sad. Has some good and wonderful explanations of what happens when

the viscious cycle goes unchecked though. In my opinion and

Elaine's, very frightening about the diet she promotes though.

Since Dr. Haas and Elaine knew that the only way this vicious cycle

is truly ended is with a monodisacharide diet/scd, the way she

suggest to eat in her book we hae personaly experienced disasterous.

We had success last year doing this for a while, because I think it

started an initial die off or something. But it didn't last for

long. All the symptoms came back with a vengence!

We truly learned from personal experience that GFCFSF and even the

paleo diet DOES NOT WORK...I wish we had known, because we wasted

prescious time. Our poor children continued to have starving brains

needlessly.

But like many here, I didn't know that I was feeding them foods that

kept the visous cycle going...I thought I was doing a good job

GFCFSF because at the time I thought this was hard.

If We had realized the MEDICAL NECESITY of stoping the vicious cycle

so that their poor brains could get the foods they needed to not be

ADHD or AUTISTIC, is God is my wittness I would have done this

sooner...all the sacrafices and all. SCD just doesn't look that bad

when you put it in the light of MEDICAL NECESITY and not persoal

choice.

Sincerely, Antoinette

(2+ months SCD and seeing a miracle in all of us) Family Problems:

malabsorption/injured gut/celiac that lead to a starving brain that

cuased: ADHD, Autism, mental illness, strange behaviors and rage

attacks....now doing better thank God!)

> Here is an old post about chelation I thought those may be

> interested in. This explains why some may not be having success.

> It is believed that a child should have healed on the SCDie for a

> minimum of a year before starting chelation. And that SCD alone

is

> a natural and gentle way to detox the body from junk that doesn't

> belong in it. And that chelation can cause an overgrowth of the

bad

> guys to come back, and that Elaine didn't like it untill the

> intestines had HEALED for a minimum of one year and the vicious

> cycle of bacteria overgrowth had been put into check through this

> wonderful diet plan.

>

> This is also why other plans do not work, because they offer foods

> that are not monodisacharides, or offer hard to digest food that

do

> not digest and just sit in the child's healing and injured gut to

> ferment and feed the bad guys!

>

> Food that is not digested sits and ferments...so becareful in the

> beginning to only feed a HEALING child/adult only foods that are

SCD

> safe and easy to digest, allowing as much variety as possible.

The

> phenol/salicylate sensitivity and the oxalate issues will vanish

> rather FAST on a strict SCDiet....many supposed food intolerances

> and allergy vanish that first year on a strict SCDiet.

>

> Dr. Haas and Elaine said that sensitivity issues can leave as fast

> as the first month, because sthe gut heals fast with a good

> introductory...causing a good die off, and aiding in stopping the

> vicous cycle of bad gut guy overgrowth and allowing the gut to

> repopulate with the good guys in the yogurt (which by far offers

> more good guyt guys than any other method).

>

> But have your activated charocal handy and epson salts bath soaks

> ready, because for smoe of us this transisiton can cause " die off "

> and this appears to be the flu (irritabiltiy, dizzyness, aches,

> cramps,diarrhea, nausea and more), and can make behaviors worse

for

> a while, untill you get over that initial much needed hump. This

is

> the TRansistion that Elaine warns about in the back of the Autism

> chapter in her BTVC book.

>

> We are now, 2+ months and getting over that initial hump and

seeing

> unbelievaable progress in our Autistic daughter kiki/her diagnosis

> malabsorption/injured gut/celiac nad Autism. Doing nothing but

SCd

> rigfht now and having this kind of susssess, and also using the

SCD

> 24 hour goat yogurt,with the rendered harmless casein. This

yogurt

> works because unlike probiotic supplements it adds millions of

good

> gut guys (warriors) to fight off teh bad gut guys. We are finnaly

> winning the war without anything but the SCDiet that saved over

600

> children/people in Dr Haas day and have saved thousands since

Elaine

> brought this solution back to us.

>

> Sincerely Antoinette

>

>

> HERE THEY ARE (Cut and paste)

>

>

>

> Chelation and SCD

>

>

> We are starting to naturally chelate my son's gut. We are using

> vitamin C

> and cilantro. We keep a careful eye out on his carbs (legal) while

> doing

> so to keep the yeast at bay.

>

> I think he is so healed, that he is actually absorbing the

cilantro

> and

> vitamin C and antioxidants he gets via food. I don't think we

could

> have

> even attempted this prior to being on the diet for over a year. We

> are

> seeing great results..

>

> Best wishes,. Jen.

>

> Since SCD there has been much more spontaneous, interactive

> conversation

> and play as well as an ability to attend. We are also chelating,

but

> we

> chelated for a year before going on SCD and it is only since SCD

that

> we've noticed the dramatic changes. I think SCD is helping chelate

> more

> effectively.

>

> Marisol.

>

> [Marisol does the DAN protocol]

>

> I have no experience with chelation and this is one area in which

I

> dare

> not get involved. There are many who believe, based on allergists'

> advice, that the basic problem is accumulation of toxic heavy

> metals. I,

> personally, feel that (as in Alzheimer's with aluminum) it is a

> result of

> faulty cellular metabolism which is probably due to malabsorption

of

> other nutrients . These essential nutrients which are probably not

> being

> absorbed would rid the cells of anything that does not belong in

the

> cells. But, again, I know little more than that. I studied the

> detoxification systems of the body including the P-450 system of

the

> liver (very dependent on Vitamin C) but feel my information is

> incomplete.

>

> Elaine Gottschall

>

> I totally agree with Elaine's view that the gut

> pathogens /malabsorption

> problem is destroying our children's ability to detoxify

naturally.

> The

> DAN doctors ,who are chelating ASD children, have found out that

> DMSA and

> ALA increase the gut bugs.They also have found out that increased

gut

> bugs impair detoxification.This information is explained in great

> detail

> in Dr Mc Candless' book " Children with Starving Brains " .

>

> The best help for chelation is to follow the SCD diet along with

your

> favorite detoxification protocol .

>

> Some parents are decideding to skip chelation and to just let the

> child

> detox naturally after he is healed by SCD.

>

>

>

> --

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the

book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the

following websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

>

>

>

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest guest

Yes, I tell people to substitute SCD for GFCFSF when they read the book.

I was just wondering if the newest ed. acknowledged SCD. I'm going to have to

get the Pangborn book.

Agape,

kikijabunce wrote:

My edition of starving brains only recommends GFCFSF which is truly

sad. Has some good and wonderful explanations of what happens when

the viscious cycle goes unchecked though. In my opinion and

Elaine's, very frightening about the diet she promotes though.

Since Dr. Haas and Elaine knew that the only way this vicious cycle

is truly ended is with a monodisacharide diet/scd, the way she

suggest to eat in her book we hae personaly experienced disasterous.

We had success last year doing this for a while, because I think it

started an initial die off or something. But it didn't last for

long. All the symptoms came back with a vengence!

We truly learned from personal experience that GFCFSF and even the

paleo diet DOES NOT WORK...I wish we had known, because we wasted

prescious time. Our poor children continued to have starving brains

needlessly.

But like many here, I didn't know that I was feeding them foods that

kept the visous cycle going...I thought I was doing a good job

GFCFSF because at the time I thought this was hard.

If We had realized the MEDICAL NECESITY of stoping the vicious cycle

so that their poor brains could get the foods they needed to not be

ADHD or AUTISTIC, is God is my wittness I would have done this

sooner...all the sacrafices and all. SCD just doesn't look that bad

when you put it in the light of MEDICAL NECESITY and not persoal

choice.

Sincerely, Antoinette

(2+ months SCD and seeing a miracle in all of us) Family Problems:

malabsorption/injured gut/celiac that lead to a starving brain that

cuased: ADHD, Autism, mental illness, strange behaviors and rage

attacks....now doing better thank God!)

> Here is an old post about chelation I thought those may be

> interested in. This explains why some may not be having success.

> It is believed that a child should have healed on the SCDie for a

> minimum of a year before starting chelation. And that SCD alone

is

> a natural and gentle way to detox the body from junk that doesn't

> belong in it. And that chelation can cause an overgrowth of the

bad

> guys to come back, and that Elaine didn't like it untill the

> intestines had HEALED for a minimum of one year and the vicious

> cycle of bacteria overgrowth had been put into check through this

> wonderful diet plan.

>

> This is also why other plans do not work, because they offer foods

> that are not monodisacharides, or offer hard to digest food that

do

> not digest and just sit in the child's healing and injured gut to

> ferment and feed the bad guys!

>

> Food that is not digested sits and ferments...so becareful in the

> beginning to only feed a HEALING child/adult only foods that are

SCD

> safe and easy to digest, allowing as much variety as possible.

The

> phenol/salicylate sensitivity and the oxalate issues will vanish

> rather FAST on a strict SCDiet....many supposed food intolerances

> and allergy vanish that first year on a strict SCDiet.

>

> Dr. Haas and Elaine said that sensitivity issues can leave as fast

> as the first month, because sthe gut heals fast with a good

> introductory...causing a good die off, and aiding in stopping the

> vicous cycle of bad gut guy overgrowth and allowing the gut to

> repopulate with the good guys in the yogurt (which by far offers

> more good guyt guys than any other method).

>

> But have your activated charocal handy and epson salts bath soaks

> ready, because for smoe of us this transisiton can cause " die off "

> and this appears to be the flu (irritabiltiy, dizzyness, aches,

> cramps,diarrhea, nausea and more), and can make behaviors worse

for

> a while, untill you get over that initial much needed hump. This

is

> the TRansistion that Elaine warns about in the back of the Autism

> chapter in her BTVC book.

>

> We are now, 2+ months and getting over that initial hump and

seeing

> unbelievaable progress in our Autistic daughter kiki/her diagnosis

> malabsorption/injured gut/celiac nad Autism. Doing nothing but

SCd

> rigfht now and having this kind of susssess, and also using the

SCD

> 24 hour goat yogurt,with the rendered harmless casein. This

yogurt

> works because unlike probiotic supplements it adds millions of

good

> gut guys (warriors) to fight off teh bad gut guys. We are finnaly

> winning the war without anything but the SCDiet that saved over

600

> children/people in Dr Haas day and have saved thousands since

Elaine

> brought this solution back to us.

>

> Sincerely Antoinette

>

>

> HERE THEY ARE (Cut and paste)

>

>

>

> Chelation and SCD

>

>

> We are starting to naturally chelate my son's gut. We are using

> vitamin C

> and cilantro. We keep a careful eye out on his carbs (legal) while

> doing

> so to keep the yeast at bay.

>

> I think he is so healed, that he is actually absorbing the

cilantro

> and

> vitamin C and antioxidants he gets via food. I don't think we

could

> have

> even attempted this prior to being on the diet for over a year. We

> are

> seeing great results..

>

> Best wishes,. Jen.

>

> Since SCD there has been much more spontaneous, interactive

> conversation

> and play as well as an ability to attend. We are also chelating,

but

> we

> chelated for a year before going on SCD and it is only since SCD

that

> we've noticed the dramatic changes. I think SCD is helping chelate

> more

> effectively.

>

> Marisol.

>

> [Marisol does the DAN protocol]

>

> I have no experience with chelation and this is one area in which

I

> dare

> not get involved. There are many who believe, based on allergists'

> advice, that the basic problem is accumulation of toxic heavy

> metals. I,

> personally, feel that (as in Alzheimer's with aluminum) it is a

> result of

> faulty cellular metabolism which is probably due to malabsorption

of

> other nutrients . These essential nutrients which are probably not

> being

> absorbed would rid the cells of anything that does not belong in

the

> cells. But, again, I know little more than that. I studied the

> detoxification systems of the body including the P-450 system of

the

> liver (very dependent on Vitamin C) but feel my information is

> incomplete.

>

> Elaine Gottschall

>

> I totally agree with Elaine's view that the gut

> pathogens /malabsorption

> problem is destroying our children's ability to detoxify

naturally.

> The

> DAN doctors ,who are chelating ASD children, have found out that

> DMSA and

> ALA increase the gut bugs.They also have found out that increased

gut

> bugs impair detoxification.This information is explained in great

> detail

> in Dr Mc Candless' book " Children with Starving Brains " .

>

> The best help for chelation is to follow the SCD diet along with

your

> favorite detoxification protocol .

>

> Some parents are decideding to skip chelation and to just let the

> child

> detox naturally after he is healed by SCD.

>

>

>

> --

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the

book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the

following websites:

> http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

>

>

>

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest guest

Suzzane can you personaly e-mail me the info on Dr. JM I have a

stack of books and I read everything. I am interested in this one.

I get all ruffled around the " feathers " when I see " biomedical

treatments for autism " ....now knowing that a starving brain is at

the basis of all this problem.

Break the vicious cycle...heal the child. It appears that we are

repeating history...wasting time with all these therories.

Like Elaine said. For some autistic kids if we wait for this to

become main stream knowledge with the medical community, we would

have waited too long.

You see starving brains...can't wait...they are hungry NOW..and as

the child becomes older with this " starving predicament " the damage

can become permanent.

Thank God this monodisacharide diet/scd is proven to feed the

starving brain. These poor kids...it almost makes my heart ache for

them. Thank God KiKi's brain is getting nutrition now....she is

just glowing now that we are breaking the vicious cycle in her gut.

Antoinette the messanger keeping a message alive.

> >

> > Antoinette/ anyone who might know,

> > Does the newest edition of Dr. McCandless' book reccomend SCD

> over GFCFSF?

> > Agape,

> >

> >

> >

> > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read

the

> book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read

the

> following websites:

> > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> > and

> > http://www.pecanbread.com

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest guest

Suzzane can you personaly e-mail me the info on Dr. JM I have a

stack of books and I read everything. I am interested in this one.

I get all ruffled around the " feathers " when I see " biomedical

treatments for autism " ....now knowing that a starving brain is at

the basis of all this problem.

Break the vicious cycle...heal the child. It appears that we are

repeating history...wasting time with all these therories.

Like Elaine said. For some autistic kids if we wait for this to

become main stream knowledge with the medical community, we would

have waited too long.

You see starving brains...can't wait...they are hungry NOW..and as

the child becomes older with this " starving predicament " the damage

can become permanent.

Thank God this monodisacharide diet/scd is proven to feed the

starving brain. These poor kids...it almost makes my heart ache for

them. Thank God KiKi's brain is getting nutrition now....she is

just glowing now that we are breaking the vicious cycle in her gut.

Antoinette the messanger keeping a message alive.

> >

> > Antoinette/ anyone who might know,

> > Does the newest edition of Dr. McCandless' book reccomend SCD

> over GFCFSF?

> > Agape,

> >

> >

> >

> > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read

the

> book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read

the

> following websites:

> > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> > and

> > http://www.pecanbread.com

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest guest

Hi,

I was so glad to see your post and get an update on Mikey. Glad to

hear you took the jump into SCD and that he is responding so well.

Robbie is continueing to make some nice gains. We have recently

added coconut water kefir and cultured veggies (both from BED). I

just got his latest OATS and he is normal in aribinose and also the

DHPPA marker for clostridia. I don't remember when both of these

were normal!! We also had the HBOT chamber at our house all of March

and April.

Give me a call - our next biomed support group is on May 21st.

Take care,

Mauck

Waukesha, WI

> >

> > Antoinette/ anyone who might know,

> > Does the newest edition of Dr. McCandless' book reccomend SCD

> over GFCFSF?

> > Agape,

> >

> >

> >

> > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read

the

> book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read

the

> following websites:

> > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> > and

> > http://www.pecanbread.com

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest guest

Hi,

I was so glad to see your post and get an update on Mikey. Glad to

hear you took the jump into SCD and that he is responding so well.

Robbie is continueing to make some nice gains. We have recently

added coconut water kefir and cultured veggies (both from BED). I

just got his latest OATS and he is normal in aribinose and also the

DHPPA marker for clostridia. I don't remember when both of these

were normal!! We also had the HBOT chamber at our house all of March

and April.

Give me a call - our next biomed support group is on May 21st.

Take care,

Mauck

Waukesha, WI

> >

> > Antoinette/ anyone who might know,

> > Does the newest edition of Dr. McCandless' book reccomend SCD

> over GFCFSF?

> > Agape,

> >

> >

> >

> > For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read

the

> book _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read

the

> following websites:

> > http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

> > and

> > http://www.pecanbread.com

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest guest

That's encouraging to know- that's what we did- jumped right in. My

son's OAT just came back and his bacteria and fungal markers are

still way too high. We took the test the day after we started SCD.

We started flagyl today and in 3 days overlap with vancomycin then

30 days of diflucan.

Are you all saying that the diet alone made the markers go down that

quickly?

Am I jumping the gun on the meds? I have tried natural remedies

galore plus sugar free (prior to SCD) and the markers have barely

changed over 1 1/2 yrs.

I have also heard that clostridia can easily return and is difficult

to get rid of? Has anyone had this problem or had success in

treating it for good?

Janet, mom to Cody- 5 yrs old- multi food allergies and issues- SCD

since 4-17-06

>

> I

> > just got his latest OATS and he is normal in aribinose and also

the

> > DHPPA marker for clostridia. I don't remember when both of these

> > were normal!!

>

> A friend of mine started SCD 2 weeks after we did on her 5 yo ASD

son.

> She's not on this list.

>

> She just called me to say that his microbial OAT came back very

good!

> His bacteria markers were all normal after being very high. Two

yeast

> indicator were a little high, but much better than before. She

didn't

> even do the intro diet or gradual introduction of foods, just cut

out

> all foods that aren't legal. SO now she will cut back to some

easier to

> digest foods and see what happens.

>

> Becky

> mom to Noah (6, HFA) and (3, NT)

> SCD 2 months

>

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest guest

Yes, my son Simon had terrible trouble with Clostridia. Saccromyces

boulliardii finally took care of it - not sure whether it's SC legal, but

S.B. is touted as being able to succesfully treat and prevent clostridia's

recurrence in a lot of kids, which is huge, considering how difficult it is

to get rid of. It was mentioned a lot at the last DAN conference (Simon

went on it almost 2 years ago).

Debbie - Mom of Simon, gradually fading into SCD from 6 years of GFCFSF,

gearing up for intro diet (July 3rd target date for that!)

At 01:36 PM 5/8/2006, you wrote:

>That's encouraging to know- that's what we did- jumped right in. My

>son's OAT just came back and his bacteria and fungal markers are

>still way too high. We took the test the day after we started SCD.

>We started flagyl today and in 3 days overlap with vancomycin then

>30 days of diflucan.

>Are you all saying that the diet alone made the markers go down that

>quickly?

>Am I jumping the gun on the meds? I have tried natural remedies

>galore plus sugar free (prior to SCD) and the markers have barely

>changed over 1 1/2 yrs.

>I have also heard that clostridia can easily return and is difficult

>to get rid of? Has anyone had this problem or had success in

>treating it for good?

>Janet, mom to Cody- 5 yrs old- multi food allergies and issues- SCD

>since 4-17-06

>

>

>

> >

> > I

> > > just got his latest OATS and he is normal in aribinose and also

>the

> > > DHPPA marker for clostridia. I don't remember when both of these

> > > were normal!!

> >

> > A friend of mine started SCD 2 weeks after we did on her 5 yo ASD

>son.

> > She's not on this list.

> >

> > She just called me to say that his microbial OAT came back very

>good!

> > His bacteria markers were all normal after being very high. Two

>yeast

> > indicator were a little high, but much better than before. She

>didn't

> > even do the intro diet or gradual introduction of foods, just cut

>out

> > all foods that aren't legal. SO now she will cut back to some

>easier to

> > digest foods and see what happens.

> >

> > Becky

> > mom to Noah (6, HFA) and (3, NT)

> > SCD 2 months

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

>_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

>websites:

>http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

>and

>http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest guest

Yes, my son Simon had terrible trouble with Clostridia. Saccromyces

boulliardii finally took care of it - not sure whether it's SC legal, but

S.B. is touted as being able to succesfully treat and prevent clostridia's

recurrence in a lot of kids, which is huge, considering how difficult it is

to get rid of. It was mentioned a lot at the last DAN conference (Simon

went on it almost 2 years ago).

Debbie - Mom of Simon, gradually fading into SCD from 6 years of GFCFSF,

gearing up for intro diet (July 3rd target date for that!)

At 01:36 PM 5/8/2006, you wrote:

>That's encouraging to know- that's what we did- jumped right in. My

>son's OAT just came back and his bacteria and fungal markers are

>still way too high. We took the test the day after we started SCD.

>We started flagyl today and in 3 days overlap with vancomycin then

>30 days of diflucan.

>Are you all saying that the diet alone made the markers go down that

>quickly?

>Am I jumping the gun on the meds? I have tried natural remedies

>galore plus sugar free (prior to SCD) and the markers have barely

>changed over 1 1/2 yrs.

>I have also heard that clostridia can easily return and is difficult

>to get rid of? Has anyone had this problem or had success in

>treating it for good?

>Janet, mom to Cody- 5 yrs old- multi food allergies and issues- SCD

>since 4-17-06

>

>

>

> >

> > I

> > > just got his latest OATS and he is normal in aribinose and also

>the

> > > DHPPA marker for clostridia. I don't remember when both of these

> > > were normal!!

> >

> > A friend of mine started SCD 2 weeks after we did on her 5 yo ASD

>son.

> > She's not on this list.

> >

> > She just called me to say that his microbial OAT came back very

>good!

> > His bacteria markers were all normal after being very high. Two

>yeast

> > indicator were a little high, but much better than before. She

>didn't

> > even do the intro diet or gradual introduction of foods, just cut

>out

> > all foods that aren't legal. SO now she will cut back to some

>easier to

> > digest foods and see what happens.

> >

> > Becky

> > mom to Noah (6, HFA) and (3, NT)

> > SCD 2 months

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

>_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

>websites:

>http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info

>and

>http://www.pecanbread.com

>

>

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest guest

Thanks Debbie! When we tried SCD last year for a short time I

remember some good info about Saccromyces boulliardii coming through

the list and printed it out for future reference. Will definitely

look into it further. Do you still have to periodically give it to

keep the Clostridia at bay, or once it was gone did it finally stay

gone?

Janet, mom to Cody- 5 yrs old- multi food allergies and issues- SCD

since 4-17-06 and 3 lbs gained!! (Hooray- he needs it!)

>

> Yes, my son Simon had terrible trouble with Clostridia. Saccromyces

> boulliardii finally took care of it - not sure whether it's SC

legal, but

> S.B. is touted as being able to succesfully treat and prevent

clostridia's

> recurrence in a lot of kids, which is huge, considering how

difficult it is

> to get rid of. It was mentioned a lot at the last DAN conference

(Simon

> went on it almost 2 years ago).

>

> Debbie - Mom of Simon, gradually fading into SCD from 6 years of

GFCFSF,

> gearing up for intro diet (July 3rd target date for that!)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guest guest

Thanks, that helps a lot! Hopefully, ARI will put the last

conference on DAN Webcast too and I can see the whole segment on the

SB and supps.

I'm definitely asking our doc about putting him on it as soon as we

finish the rounds of meds. That is one natural remedy I haven't

tried yet.

:) Janet, mom to Cody- 5 yrs old- SCD since 4-17-06- multi food

allergies and issues-

currently on flagyl, soon vancomycin then diflucan for bacteria,

parasites & yeast- gained 3 lbs since starting SCD!

>

> Janet,

> After lab testing showed that the clostridia was still gone after

2 years

> this past January, I pulled the saccro. b. for a while to give his

body a

> break from it (for a little over 2 months). Then after the DAN

conference,

> I put him back on it based on advice at an evening session on

diets and

> supplements. Honestly, I'm not sure whether that was the right

thing to do

> or not - you know how it is - sometimes I feel like we're

the " blind

> leading the blind " with some of these things... but I am indeed

afraid of

> the clostridia coming back - it is so hard to get rid of.

> Not sure if this helps....

> Debbie, Mom to Simon, ASD

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
×
×
  • Create New...