Re: GWEN/ Protease/enzyme safety

[Guest guest]

Dear Gwen, HAVE I once told anybody not to take their enzymes????? No.....I

only say what Elaine said to us. That she did not feel that they are needed,

since the gut heals quickly on the SCDiet.

Our GI specialist/doctor says that with a strict SCDiet...that since our

pancreatic functions are normal...than in just three months WE WILL NOT NEED

enzymes any way! He too, thinks that they should not be taken if the intestines

are healed. Too much controversy he says....no one truly knows the long term

consequences. He even said...as far as he knew it could even be cancer, for the

ones that keep the intestines constantly irritated!

Yes we did experiment with some of them. Protease was a disaster....caused much

pain, and burning.....in light of our intestines being so damaged, no wonder

why. Protease digest protein! A damaged gut does not have the enzyme

inhibitors working right either! So we where digesting ourselves! lol...but not

so funny. GI doctor even said not to take this anymore!

And yes I realize that people are individual. Regardless....on SCDiet Elaine

says that the gut will be heal at some point to do the job like mother nature

intended. No enzymes but the ones your body needed.

Unless you have something wrong...which you may.

Ageing also causes decrease enzyme production too. so maybe when I am much

older...I will experiment again. Who knows.

I never say " never " ....or try not to. It always come back to bit me in the

butt!

Sincerely, Antoinette

For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

websites:

http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info<http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/\

>

and

http://www.pecanbread.com<http://www.pecanbread.com/>

[Guest guest]

I apologize. I'm a bit confused (partly because I missed the beginning of

this thread, I think). Why would protease be harmful? I just started taking

Candidase, because of a chronic yeast infection. It has the protease in it,

so I'm concerned now. I have an EXTREMELY sensitive stomach lining, and so

far, I've been ok with the Candidase. Of course, I'm starting out very slow.

But I'm so intolerant of any supplements, that I was very shocked to find

out I could handle even a smidgen of this stuff.

Anyway....please let me know if there's something I'm missing here. :-)

~

Celiac

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>Reply-To: pecanbread

>To: <pecanbread >

>Subject: Re: GWEN/ Protease/enzyme safety

>Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 23:05:33 -0600

>

>Dear Gwen, HAVE I once told anybody not to take their enzymes?????

>No.....I only say what Elaine said to us. That she did not feel that they

>are needed, since the gut heals quickly on the SCDiet.

>

>Our GI specialist/doctor says that with a strict SCDiet...that since our

>pancreatic functions are normal...than in just three months WE WILL NOT

>NEED enzymes any way! He too, thinks that they should not be taken if the

>intestines are healed. Too much controversy he says....no one truly knows

>the long term consequences. He even said...as far as he knew it could even

>be cancer, for the ones that keep the intestines constantly irritated!

>

>Yes we did experiment with some of them. Protease was a disaster....caused

>much pain, and burning.....in light of our intestines being so damaged, no

>wonder why. Protease digest protein! A damaged gut does not have the

>enzyme inhibitors working right either! So we where digesting ourselves!

>lol...but not so funny. GI doctor even said not to take this anymore!

>

>And yes I realize that people are individual. Regardless....on SCDiet

>Elaine says that the gut will be heal at some point to do the job like

>mother nature intended. No enzymes but the ones your body needed.

>

>Unless you have something wrong...which you may.

>

>Ageing also causes decrease enzyme production too. so maybe when I am much

>older...I will experiment again. Who knows.

>

>I never say " never " ....or try not to. It always come back to bit me in the

>butt!

>

>Sincerely, Antoinette

>

> For information on the Specific Carbohydrate Diet, please read the book

>_Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall and read the following

>websites:

>

>http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info<http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info\

/>

> and

> http://www.pecanbread.com<http://www.pecanbread.com/>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>>>Our GI specialist/doctor says that with a strict SCDiet...that

since our pancreatic functions are normal...than in just three months

WE WILL NOT NEED enzymes any way!

I completely applaud such an outlook and wish so much it was true for

everyone. However, many people doing SCD have experienced this. I

really hope it does happen in your case (and for everyone else as

well).

>>>He too, thinks that they should not be taken if the intestines are

healed.

I agree with this basically. IF the intestines are fully healed, the

cells producing the enzymes should be functioning well. In the

enzymes group, we do see that people taking supplemental enzymes

(which promote gut healing) need less over time, not more. I do feel

that even with excellent gut health a general enzyme with meals is

good for maintenance. Just like a multiple vitamin helps keep health

up. But not needing a 'therapeutic' dose is a reasonable goal. My

kids do not require enzymes any more or special diets (but I do limit

all the non-nutritional junk).

>>>>Too much controversy he says....no one truly knows the long term

consequences. He even said...as far as he knew it could even be

cancer, for the ones that keep the intestines constantly irritated!

Wow...this is an....opinion! Enzymes are only controversial if you

want them to be. Just like SCD is controversial.

As for long term effects, babies with cystic fibrosis are put on

digest enzymes as early as 4 weeks (or as soon as the disease is

discovered). They live on them for life. and are under medical

surveillance for lif. If there was some unusual side-effect or

caution, that would be a group it would be reported in. and our guts

are designed to be swimming in enzymes from birth to death. It is the

lack of them that is the problem....just as it is the lack of enzymes

that SCD focuses on.

Actually, protease digested enzymes have been used very successfully

in the treatment of cancer for over 100 years. I talked with a woman

2 weeks ago that did therapeutic doses of enzymes to rid her cancer

after the chemo had failed. There are several studies listed at the

enzymestuff.com site. In addition there are several older enzyme

books detailed the success of enzymes on cancer in groups of patients

numbering in the tens of thousands.

>>>>>> Yes we did experiment with some of them. Protease was a

disaster....caused much pain, and burning.....

This is why the Great Low-n-Slow Method was developed. If you decide

to pursue enzymes again, this format may be very helpful. The idea is

to break out the proteases, use other enzymes for a few weeks to get

some healing under way, and then add in the proteases. You don't have

to add in the extra proteases, but the proteases really kickup the

healing in multiple ways.

>>>>Protease digest protein!

ONLY if it is the exact correct protease working on the exact protein

under the exact right conditions. There appears to be an assumption

that all proteases work on all proteins not matter way. This is like,

the opposite of what actually happens.

>>>A damaged gut does not have the enzyme inhibitors working right

either!

This isn't necessarily so. Enzyme inhibitors are not always tied to

and directly related to actual gut cells.

>>>Regardless....on SCDiet Elaine says that the gut will be heal at

some point to do the job like mother nature intended. No enzymes but

the ones your body needed.

The conversations I had with Elaine over the years went a bit

differently. But since Elaine is no longer with us, I don't care to

get into a rousing discussion over when she said and meant.

>>>> Ageing also causes decrease enzyme production too. so maybe

when I am much older...I will experiment again. Who knows.

Best to you! The great thing about enzymes, diets, and everything

else is that there are more options on the table to maximize success

for everyone.

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