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Thanks to Ruiz for sending Greg Shell's clarifying summary and advice.

However, it's my impression that the status quo is not remaining in place

what with the new border procedures of photographing and finger-printing.

My farmworker contacts tell me they are quite worried about what they

perceive as a tightening noose.

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Subject: [ ] Practical Advice on the President's

immigration proposal

Dear Colleagues.

As a follow-up to the posting by Tina Castanares of FJF's response to the

President's recent immigration proposal I am posting some advice provided by

Greg Schell. The bottom line is that there is not much detail related to the

President's proposal nor is there any timeline for introducing legislation.

Greg provides practical advise that should be shared with your patients

should they ask about moving forward at this time.

BELOW IS THE VIEW OF THE BUSH PLAN FROM GREG SCHELL, FARM WORKER LAWYER IN

FLORIDA :

A message from Greg Schell, the farmworker advocate/attorney:

By now, most people have heard that the Bush Administration has

announced its immigration proposal. From all indications, this

proposal is not good news for undocumented workers.

The president's plan does not give green cards to undocumented

workers; it simply transforms them all into H-2A or H-2B workers,

with few legal protections. The only path to legalization for

undocumented workers under the President's bill is through a

relative petition (for example, marriage to a U.S. citizen).

There is little or no chance of the Bush plan passing anytime soon.

What it does do is put a real damper on the AgJOBS farmworker

legalization bill. Our current sense is that AgJOBS may well be

dead, as everyone instead focuses on the president's bill. The

restrictionist opponents of immigration reform in the House, who

have been the main roadblocks to AgJOBS, now have new ammunition for

opposing AgJOBS. They can simply say that they're waiting for the

details of the President's comprehensive immigration reform, rather

than moving on a bill narrowly tailored to address the specific

problems of undocumented farmworkers.

If farmworkers contact you, they should be told that there is no

bill anywhere near passage at the present time, so people should not

pay lawyers money for filling out papers, etc. Also, no one should

approach INS asking for an application, etc. For the foreseeable

future, it looks like the status quo will be in place for a good

long time.

Ruiz

Assistant Director Systems Development and Policy Administration

Migrant Health Coordinator

National Association of Community Health Centers, Inc.

7200 Wisconsin Avenue Suite 210

Bethesda, MD 20814

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Dear Colleagues:

Does anyone have anything positive to say about this immigration proposal?

I have read the text of the speech thoroughly, and it seems that the FJF is

reading into it and injecting its own clearly anti-Bush sentiments and

biases (comparing it to slavery and indentured servitude?). I would like to

know if anyone has some constructive criticism on the potential good that

could come from these reform efforts.

Please see the attached fact sheet for the proposal outline before you rush

to conclusions.

Ruschak

Program Manager

Migrant Education

Greeley, Colorado

Subject: [ ] Practical Advice on the President's

immigration proposal

Dear Colleagues.

As a follow-up to the posting by Tina Castanares of FJF's response to the

President's recent immigration proposal I am posting some advice provided by

Greg Schell. The bottom line is that there is not much detail related to the

President's proposal nor is there any timeline for introducing legislation.

Greg provides practical advise that should be shared with your patients

should they ask about moving forward at this time.

BELOW IS THE VIEW OF THE BUSH PLAN FROM GREG SCHELL, FARM WORKER LAWYER IN

FLORIDA :

A message from Greg Schell, the farmworker advocate/attorney:

By now, most people have heard that the Bush Administration has

announced its immigration proposal. From all indications, this

proposal is not good news for undocumented workers.

The president's plan does not give green cards to undocumented

workers; it simply transforms them all into H-2A or H-2B workers,

with few legal protections. The only path to legalization for

undocumented workers under the President's bill is through a

relative petition (for example, marriage to a U.S. citizen).

There is little or no chance of the Bush plan passing anytime soon.

What it does do is put a real damper on the AgJOBS farmworker

legalization bill. Our current sense is that AgJOBS may well be

dead, as everyone instead focuses on the president's bill. The

restrictionist opponents of immigration reform in the House, who

have been the main roadblocks to AgJOBS, now have new ammunition for

opposing AgJOBS. They can simply say that they're waiting for the

details of the President's comprehensive immigration reform, rather

than moving on a bill narrowly tailored to address the specific

problems of undocumented farmworkers.

If farmworkers contact you, they should be told that there is no

bill anywhere near passage at the present time, so people should not

pay lawyers money for filling out papers, etc. Also, no one should

approach INS asking for an application, etc. For the foreseeable

future, it looks like the status quo will be in place for a good

long time.

Ruiz

Assistant Director Systems Development and Policy Administration

Migrant Health Coordinator

National Association of Community Health Centers, Inc.

7200 Wisconsin Avenue Suite 210

Bethesda, MD 20814

(301) 347-0442

(301) 347-0459 FAX

(202) 365-0154 Cell Phone

jruiz@...

www.nachc.com

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To my reading, the possibility of some form of savings or social security

benefits would be beneficial and is the strongest part of this proposal.

However, I otherwise don't see much difference between this new program and

the current H-2A program (which in North Carolina is under investigation by

the Mexican government for abuses; see:

http://newsobserver.com/news/nc/story/2852524p-2632245c.html ).

The Bush speech says that there will be increased protections for changing

jobs and for worker rights under labor laws, but that is not mentioned in

the fact sheet at all.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/01/20040107-3.html

I think that since this has been framed as national security and border

control, it may actually get passed. And the tighter tracking and border

measures will mean it's more difficult to get out of low-wage work -- making

a permanent underclass of workers.

That's my impression: good, bad, and all.

-- ph Lee <jose.lee@...>

http://www.duke.edu/~jgl4

> From: " Ruschak " <sruschak@...>

> Reply-

> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 10:50:35 -0700

> < >

> Subject: RE: [ ] Practical Advice on the President's

> immigration proposal

>

> Dear Colleagues:

>

> Does anyone have anything positive to say about this immigration proposal?

>

> I have read the text of the speech thoroughly, and it seems that the FJF is

> reading into it and injecting its own clearly anti-Bush sentiments and

> biases (comparing it to slavery and indentured servitude?). I would like to

> know if anyone has some constructive criticism on the potential good that

> could come from these reform efforts.

>

> Please see the attached fact sheet for the proposal outline before you rush

> to conclusions.

>

> Ruschak

> Program Manager

> Migrant Education

> Greeley, Colorado

>

>

>

> Subject: [ ] Practical Advice on the President's

> immigration proposal

>

>

> Dear Colleagues.

> As a follow-up to the posting by Tina Castanares of FJF's response to the

> President's recent immigration proposal I am posting some advice provided by

> Greg Schell. The bottom line is that there is not much detail related to the

> President's proposal nor is there any timeline for introducing legislation.

> Greg provides practical advise that should be shared with your patients

> should they ask about moving forward at this time.

>

> BELOW IS THE VIEW OF THE BUSH PLAN FROM GREG SCHELL, FARM WORKER LAWYER IN

> FLORIDA :

>

> A message from Greg Schell, the farmworker advocate/attorney:

>

> By now, most people have heard that the Bush Administration has

> announced its immigration proposal. From all indications, this

> proposal is not good news for undocumented workers.

>

> The president's plan does not give green cards to undocumented

> workers; it simply transforms them all into H-2A or H-2B workers,

> with few legal protections. The only path to legalization for

> undocumented workers under the President's bill is through a

> relative petition (for example, marriage to a U.S. citizen).

>

> There is little or no chance of the Bush plan passing anytime soon.

> What it does do is put a real damper on the AgJOBS farmworker

> legalization bill. Our current sense is that AgJOBS may well be

> dead, as everyone instead focuses on the president's bill. The

> restrictionist opponents of immigration reform in the House, who

> have been the main roadblocks to AgJOBS, now have new ammunition for

> opposing AgJOBS. They can simply say that they're waiting for the

> details of the President's comprehensive immigration reform, rather

> than moving on a bill narrowly tailored to address the specific

> problems of undocumented farmworkers.

>

> If farmworkers contact you, they should be told that there is no

> bill anywhere near passage at the present time, so people should not

> pay lawyers money for filling out papers, etc. Also, no one should

> approach INS asking for an application, etc. For the foreseeable

> future, it looks like the status quo will be in place for a good

> long time.

>

>

>

> Ruiz

> Assistant Director Systems Development and Policy Administration

> Migrant Health Coordinator

> National Association of Community Health Centers, Inc.

> 7200 Wisconsin Avenue Suite 210

> Bethesda, MD 20814

> (301) 347-0442

> (301) 347-0459 FAX

> (202) 365-0154 Cell Phone

> jruiz@...

> www.nachc.com

>

> JOIN US!

> NACHC's Policy and Issues Forum

> March 23 - 26, 2004

> Washington, DC

>

> " Youth is the gift of nature but age is a work of art. "

> - Garson Kanin

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>

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Some

people claim they can recall where they were and what they were doing when they

heard the news about president JFK been shot. I seem to have some recollection about

this tragedy. Yet, the incident I remember most was an encounter I had a few

years later in my late teens with one of the owners of the farm where my father

worked down in Tornillo, Texas. He approached me as I was walking to my first

job away from the cotton fields to work as a peer counselor at a CAP agency and

asked me where I was headed. I informed him, with some degree of pride about my

new job to which he replied “that is what you think, that is not why we brought

you to this country.” My family had been sponsored by the co-owners of the farm

in the post-Bracero frenzy to be able to secure permanent residency. Fearful of

the consequences I headed back home while noticing JF heading towards the field

where my father was working. Before I got back home my father met me and drove

me to my new job assuring me not to worry. Fortunately JF had a kinder and

gentler brother, GF, who took joy in hearing about our family’s educational and

related accomplishments. Slaves we were not - indented servants, in JF’s eyes,

we certainly were.

The moral

to this personal story? I just wanted to make a point because ’s references

to the analysis of the FJF to the president’s immigration proposal is in itself

biased against the work of the FJF. The debate relative to immigration policy “reform”

is not as clear-cut as JF and GF where the former did want to sustain us as

indented servants while GF was willing to let us be. The fact is that

immigration reform has been clouded by the biases and prejudices that have tarnished

democracy since the founding fathers set forth to create a more perfect union. The

president’s proposal, similar to other similar proposals brought forth by the party

he represents, similar to their overall domestic and foreign policy, are driven

primarily to advance economic ideologies that promote gains for the wealthy

regardless of harm and loss of human dignity and the fundamental values of our

constitution and the many other documents and statements we have crafted on

behalf of the United Nations and other alliances our country has advanced to sustain

the national welfare and world order.

Because

this list is about research, I urge and others who feel likewise about the

work of the FJF and similar entities to do more research on the history of U.S.

immigration policy including the work of the earlier scholars such as Galarza,

Acuña, Samora, Bernal and the more contemporary scholars. Cockcroft’s book,

Outlaws in the Promise Land, is a must. Advocacy organizations seeking to advance

social justice for those who truly carry our economy on their backs also speak

on behalf of the true values of human dignity and can bring balance to the

narcissist cultural values that are destroying communities and the fundamental

social fiver of human dignity.

My father

had the fortitude and understanding of his rights and was cognizant of the attitudes

and personality of the two brothers he worked for to help me appreciate the value

of debate and discourse. It is within the context of debate that we can move forward

and advance social justice.

Alfonso

Alfonso López-Vasquez, Director

Community Partnerships & Diversity

Assistant Professor

Pacific University

2043 College Way

Forest Grove, OR 97116

(503) 352-3104

(503) 352-2291 (fax)

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Subject: RE:

[ ] Practical Advice on the President's immigration

proposal

Dear Colleagues:

Does anyone have anything positive to say about this immigration proposal?

I have read the text of the speech thoroughly, and it seems that the FJF is

reading into it and injecting its own clearly anti-Bush sentiments and

biases (comparing it to slavery and indentured servitude?). I would

like to

know if anyone has some constructive criticism on the potential good that

could come from these reform efforts.

Please see the attached fact sheet for the proposal outline before you rush

to conclusions.

Ruschak

Program Manager

Migrant Education

Greeley, Colorado

Subject: [ ] Practical Advice on the President's

immigration proposal

Dear Colleagues.

As a follow-up to the posting by Tina Castanares of FJF's response to the

President's recent immigration proposal I am posting some advice provided

by

Greg Schell. The bottom line is that there is not much detail related to

the

President's proposal nor is there any timeline for introducing legislation.

Greg provides practical advise that should be shared with your patients

should they ask about moving forward at this time.

BELOW IS THE VIEW OF THE BUSH PLAN FROM GREG SCHELL, FARM WORKER LAWYER IN

FLORIDA :

A message from Greg Schell, the farmworker advocate/attorney:

By now, most people have heard that the Bush Administration has

announced its immigration proposal. From all indications, this

proposal is not good news for undocumented workers.

The president's plan does not give green cards to undocumented

workers; it simply transforms them all into H-2A or H-2B workers,

with few legal protections. The only path to legalization for

undocumented workers under the President's bill is through a

relative petition (for example, marriage to a U.S. citizen).

There is little or no chance of the Bush plan passing anytime soon.

What it does do is put a real damper on the AgJOBS farmworker

legalization bill. Our current sense is that AgJOBS may well be

dead, as everyone instead focuses on the president's bill. The

restrictionist opponents of immigration reform in the House, who

have been the main roadblocks to AgJOBS, now have new ammunition for

opposing AgJOBS. They can simply say that they're waiting for the

details of the President's comprehensive immigration reform, rather

than moving on a bill narrowly tailored to address the specific

problems of undocumented farmworkers.

If farmworkers contact you, they should be told that there is no

bill anywhere near passage at the present time, so people should not

pay lawyers money for filling out papers, etc. Also, no one should

approach INS asking for an application, etc. For the foreseeable

future, it looks like the status quo will be in place for a good

long time.

Ruiz

Assistant Director Systems Development and Policy Administration

Migrant Health Coordinator

National Association of Community Health Centers, Inc.

7200 Wisconsin Avenue Suite 210

Bethesda, MD 20814

(301) 347-0442

(301) 347-0459 FAX

(202) 365-0154 Cell Phone

jruiz@...

www.nachc.com

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