Guest guest Posted January 9, 2004 Report Share Posted January 9, 2004 Thanks to Ruiz for sending Greg Shell's clarifying summary and advice. However, it's my impression that the status quo is not remaining in place what with the new border procedures of photographing and finger-printing. My farmworker contacts tell me they are quite worried about what they perceive as a tightening noose. Nichols _____________________________ Research Analyst California Institute for Rural Studies 221 G Street, Suite 204 , CA 95616-4550 Telephone: (530) 756-6555 www.cirsinc.org -----Original Message----- From: Ruiz [mailto:jruiz@...] Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 9:13 AM Migrant_Health_News ; Migrant_Health_research ; Anne Kaufman Nolon (E-mail); Arcadio Viveros (E-mail); Cheryl Damstetter (E-mail); Frazier (E-mail); Doug (E-mail); E. a Ryder (E-mail); Elia Gallardo (E-mail); Eligio G. White (E-mail); Gilbert Walter (E-mail); Harry L. (E-mail); Isolina Miranda (E-mail); Ruiz (E-mail); Jolene G. 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As a follow-up to the posting by Tina Castanares of FJF's response to the President's recent immigration proposal I am posting some advice provided by Greg Schell. The bottom line is that there is not much detail related to the President's proposal nor is there any timeline for introducing legislation. Greg provides practical advise that should be shared with your patients should they ask about moving forward at this time. BELOW IS THE VIEW OF THE BUSH PLAN FROM GREG SCHELL, FARM WORKER LAWYER IN FLORIDA : A message from Greg Schell, the farmworker advocate/attorney: By now, most people have heard that the Bush Administration has announced its immigration proposal. From all indications, this proposal is not good news for undocumented workers. The president's plan does not give green cards to undocumented workers; it simply transforms them all into H-2A or H-2B workers, with few legal protections. The only path to legalization for undocumented workers under the President's bill is through a relative petition (for example, marriage to a U.S. citizen). There is little or no chance of the Bush plan passing anytime soon. What it does do is put a real damper on the AgJOBS farmworker legalization bill. Our current sense is that AgJOBS may well be dead, as everyone instead focuses on the president's bill. The restrictionist opponents of immigration reform in the House, who have been the main roadblocks to AgJOBS, now have new ammunition for opposing AgJOBS. They can simply say that they're waiting for the details of the President's comprehensive immigration reform, rather than moving on a bill narrowly tailored to address the specific problems of undocumented farmworkers. If farmworkers contact you, they should be told that there is no bill anywhere near passage at the present time, so people should not pay lawyers money for filling out papers, etc. Also, no one should approach INS asking for an application, etc. For the foreseeable future, it looks like the status quo will be in place for a good long time. Ruiz Assistant Director Systems Development and Policy Administration Migrant Health Coordinator National Association of Community Health Centers, Inc. 7200 Wisconsin Avenue Suite 210 Bethesda, MD 20814 (301) 347-0442 (301) 347-0459 FAX (202) 365-0154 Cell Phone jruiz@... www.nachc.com JOIN US! NACHC's Policy and Issues Forum March 23 - 26, 2004 Washington, DC " Youth is the gift of nature but age is a work of art. " - Garson Kanin To Post a message, send it to: Groups To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: -unsubscribe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2004 Report Share Posted January 9, 2004 Dear Colleagues: Does anyone have anything positive to say about this immigration proposal? I have read the text of the speech thoroughly, and it seems that the FJF is reading into it and injecting its own clearly anti-Bush sentiments and biases (comparing it to slavery and indentured servitude?). I would like to know if anyone has some constructive criticism on the potential good that could come from these reform efforts. Please see the attached fact sheet for the proposal outline before you rush to conclusions. Ruschak Program Manager Migrant Education Greeley, Colorado Subject: [ ] Practical Advice on the President's immigration proposal Dear Colleagues. As a follow-up to the posting by Tina Castanares of FJF's response to the President's recent immigration proposal I am posting some advice provided by Greg Schell. The bottom line is that there is not much detail related to the President's proposal nor is there any timeline for introducing legislation. Greg provides practical advise that should be shared with your patients should they ask about moving forward at this time. BELOW IS THE VIEW OF THE BUSH PLAN FROM GREG SCHELL, FARM WORKER LAWYER IN FLORIDA : A message from Greg Schell, the farmworker advocate/attorney: By now, most people have heard that the Bush Administration has announced its immigration proposal. From all indications, this proposal is not good news for undocumented workers. The president's plan does not give green cards to undocumented workers; it simply transforms them all into H-2A or H-2B workers, with few legal protections. The only path to legalization for undocumented workers under the President's bill is through a relative petition (for example, marriage to a U.S. citizen). There is little or no chance of the Bush plan passing anytime soon. What it does do is put a real damper on the AgJOBS farmworker legalization bill. Our current sense is that AgJOBS may well be dead, as everyone instead focuses on the president's bill. The restrictionist opponents of immigration reform in the House, who have been the main roadblocks to AgJOBS, now have new ammunition for opposing AgJOBS. They can simply say that they're waiting for the details of the President's comprehensive immigration reform, rather than moving on a bill narrowly tailored to address the specific problems of undocumented farmworkers. If farmworkers contact you, they should be told that there is no bill anywhere near passage at the present time, so people should not pay lawyers money for filling out papers, etc. Also, no one should approach INS asking for an application, etc. For the foreseeable future, it looks like the status quo will be in place for a good long time. Ruiz Assistant Director Systems Development and Policy Administration Migrant Health Coordinator National Association of Community Health Centers, Inc. 7200 Wisconsin Avenue Suite 210 Bethesda, MD 20814 (301) 347-0442 (301) 347-0459 FAX (202) 365-0154 Cell Phone jruiz@... www.nachc.com JOIN US! NACHC's Policy and Issues Forum March 23 - 26, 2004 Washington, DC " Youth is the gift of nature but age is a work of art. " - Garson Kanin To Post a message, send it to: Groups To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: -unsubscribe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2004 Report Share Posted January 9, 2004 To my reading, the possibility of some form of savings or social security benefits would be beneficial and is the strongest part of this proposal. However, I otherwise don't see much difference between this new program and the current H-2A program (which in North Carolina is under investigation by the Mexican government for abuses; see: http://newsobserver.com/news/nc/story/2852524p-2632245c.html ). The Bush speech says that there will be increased protections for changing jobs and for worker rights under labor laws, but that is not mentioned in the fact sheet at all. http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/01/20040107-3.html I think that since this has been framed as national security and border control, it may actually get passed. And the tighter tracking and border measures will mean it's more difficult to get out of low-wage work -- making a permanent underclass of workers. That's my impression: good, bad, and all. -- ph Lee <jose.lee@...> http://www.duke.edu/~jgl4 > From: " Ruschak " <sruschak@...> > Reply- > Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 10:50:35 -0700 > < > > Subject: RE: [ ] Practical Advice on the President's > immigration proposal > > Dear Colleagues: > > Does anyone have anything positive to say about this immigration proposal? > > I have read the text of the speech thoroughly, and it seems that the FJF is > reading into it and injecting its own clearly anti-Bush sentiments and > biases (comparing it to slavery and indentured servitude?). I would like to > know if anyone has some constructive criticism on the potential good that > could come from these reform efforts. > > Please see the attached fact sheet for the proposal outline before you rush > to conclusions. > > Ruschak > Program Manager > Migrant Education > Greeley, Colorado > > > > Subject: [ ] Practical Advice on the President's > immigration proposal > > > Dear Colleagues. > As a follow-up to the posting by Tina Castanares of FJF's response to the > President's recent immigration proposal I am posting some advice provided by > Greg Schell. The bottom line is that there is not much detail related to the > President's proposal nor is there any timeline for introducing legislation. > Greg provides practical advise that should be shared with your patients > should they ask about moving forward at this time. > > BELOW IS THE VIEW OF THE BUSH PLAN FROM GREG SCHELL, FARM WORKER LAWYER IN > FLORIDA : > > A message from Greg Schell, the farmworker advocate/attorney: > > By now, most people have heard that the Bush Administration has > announced its immigration proposal. From all indications, this > proposal is not good news for undocumented workers. > > The president's plan does not give green cards to undocumented > workers; it simply transforms them all into H-2A or H-2B workers, > with few legal protections. The only path to legalization for > undocumented workers under the President's bill is through a > relative petition (for example, marriage to a U.S. citizen). > > There is little or no chance of the Bush plan passing anytime soon. > What it does do is put a real damper on the AgJOBS farmworker > legalization bill. Our current sense is that AgJOBS may well be > dead, as everyone instead focuses on the president's bill. The > restrictionist opponents of immigration reform in the House, who > have been the main roadblocks to AgJOBS, now have new ammunition for > opposing AgJOBS. They can simply say that they're waiting for the > details of the President's comprehensive immigration reform, rather > than moving on a bill narrowly tailored to address the specific > problems of undocumented farmworkers. > > If farmworkers contact you, they should be told that there is no > bill anywhere near passage at the present time, so people should not > pay lawyers money for filling out papers, etc. Also, no one should > approach INS asking for an application, etc. For the foreseeable > future, it looks like the status quo will be in place for a good > long time. > > > > Ruiz > Assistant Director Systems Development and Policy Administration > Migrant Health Coordinator > National Association of Community Health Centers, Inc. > 7200 Wisconsin Avenue Suite 210 > Bethesda, MD 20814 > (301) 347-0442 > (301) 347-0459 FAX > (202) 365-0154 Cell Phone > jruiz@... > www.nachc.com > > JOIN US! > NACHC's Policy and Issues Forum > March 23 - 26, 2004 > Washington, DC > > " Youth is the gift of nature but age is a work of art. " > - Garson Kanin > > > > > To Post a message, send it to: Groups > > To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: > -unsubscribe > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2004 Report Share Posted January 9, 2004 Some people claim they can recall where they were and what they were doing when they heard the news about president JFK been shot. I seem to have some recollection about this tragedy. Yet, the incident I remember most was an encounter I had a few years later in my late teens with one of the owners of the farm where my father worked down in Tornillo, Texas. He approached me as I was walking to my first job away from the cotton fields to work as a peer counselor at a CAP agency and asked me where I was headed. I informed him, with some degree of pride about my new job to which he replied “that is what you think, that is not why we brought you to this country.” My family had been sponsored by the co-owners of the farm in the post-Bracero frenzy to be able to secure permanent residency. Fearful of the consequences I headed back home while noticing JF heading towards the field where my father was working. Before I got back home my father met me and drove me to my new job assuring me not to worry. Fortunately JF had a kinder and gentler brother, GF, who took joy in hearing about our family’s educational and related accomplishments. Slaves we were not - indented servants, in JF’s eyes, we certainly were. The moral to this personal story? I just wanted to make a point because ’s references to the analysis of the FJF to the president’s immigration proposal is in itself biased against the work of the FJF. The debate relative to immigration policy “reform” is not as clear-cut as JF and GF where the former did want to sustain us as indented servants while GF was willing to let us be. The fact is that immigration reform has been clouded by the biases and prejudices that have tarnished democracy since the founding fathers set forth to create a more perfect union. The president’s proposal, similar to other similar proposals brought forth by the party he represents, similar to their overall domestic and foreign policy, are driven primarily to advance economic ideologies that promote gains for the wealthy regardless of harm and loss of human dignity and the fundamental values of our constitution and the many other documents and statements we have crafted on behalf of the United Nations and other alliances our country has advanced to sustain the national welfare and world order. Because this list is about research, I urge and others who feel likewise about the work of the FJF and similar entities to do more research on the history of U.S. immigration policy including the work of the earlier scholars such as Galarza, Acuña, Samora, Bernal and the more contemporary scholars. Cockcroft’s book, Outlaws in the Promise Land, is a must. Advocacy organizations seeking to advance social justice for those who truly carry our economy on their backs also speak on behalf of the true values of human dignity and can bring balance to the narcissist cultural values that are destroying communities and the fundamental social fiver of human dignity. My father had the fortitude and understanding of his rights and was cognizant of the attitudes and personality of the two brothers he worked for to help me appreciate the value of debate and discourse. It is within the context of debate that we can move forward and advance social justice. Alfonso Alfonso López-Vasquez, Director Community Partnerships & Diversity Assistant Professor Pacific University 2043 College Way Forest Grove, OR 97116 (503) 352-3104 (503) 352-2291 (fax) -----Original Message----- From: Ruschak [mailto:sruschak@...] Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 9:51 AM To: Subject: RE: [ ] Practical Advice on the President's immigration proposal Dear Colleagues: Does anyone have anything positive to say about this immigration proposal? I have read the text of the speech thoroughly, and it seems that the FJF is reading into it and injecting its own clearly anti-Bush sentiments and biases (comparing it to slavery and indentured servitude?). I would like to know if anyone has some constructive criticism on the potential good that could come from these reform efforts. Please see the attached fact sheet for the proposal outline before you rush to conclusions. Ruschak Program Manager Migrant Education Greeley, Colorado Subject: [ ] Practical Advice on the President's immigration proposal Dear Colleagues. As a follow-up to the posting by Tina Castanares of FJF's response to the President's recent immigration proposal I am posting some advice provided by Greg Schell. The bottom line is that there is not much detail related to the President's proposal nor is there any timeline for introducing legislation. Greg provides practical advise that should be shared with your patients should they ask about moving forward at this time. BELOW IS THE VIEW OF THE BUSH PLAN FROM GREG SCHELL, FARM WORKER LAWYER IN FLORIDA : A message from Greg Schell, the farmworker advocate/attorney: By now, most people have heard that the Bush Administration has announced its immigration proposal. From all indications, this proposal is not good news for undocumented workers. The president's plan does not give green cards to undocumented workers; it simply transforms them all into H-2A or H-2B workers, with few legal protections. The only path to legalization for undocumented workers under the President's bill is through a relative petition (for example, marriage to a U.S. citizen). There is little or no chance of the Bush plan passing anytime soon. What it does do is put a real damper on the AgJOBS farmworker legalization bill. Our current sense is that AgJOBS may well be dead, as everyone instead focuses on the president's bill. The restrictionist opponents of immigration reform in the House, who have been the main roadblocks to AgJOBS, now have new ammunition for opposing AgJOBS. They can simply say that they're waiting for the details of the President's comprehensive immigration reform, rather than moving on a bill narrowly tailored to address the specific problems of undocumented farmworkers. If farmworkers contact you, they should be told that there is no bill anywhere near passage at the present time, so people should not pay lawyers money for filling out papers, etc. Also, no one should approach INS asking for an application, etc. For the foreseeable future, it looks like the status quo will be in place for a good long time. Ruiz Assistant Director Systems Development and Policy Administration Migrant Health Coordinator National Association of Community Health Centers, Inc. 7200 Wisconsin Avenue Suite 210 Bethesda, MD 20814 (301) 347-0442 (301) 347-0459 FAX (202) 365-0154 Cell Phone jruiz@... www.nachc.com JOIN US! NACHC's Policy and Issues Forum March 23 - 26, 2004 Washington, DC " Youth is the gift of nature but age is a work of art. " - Garson Kanin To Post a message, send it to: Groups To Unsubscribe, send a blank message to: -unsubscribe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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