Re: Protease/enzyme safety Continues

[Guest guest]

Dear and to all it may concern,

I am just going by what Elaine feared for us. Yes she is not God. But in light

of our intestines BURNING when we took CANDASE and Protease filled enzymes I

believe her fear! She worried about this enzyme and did not want people with

damage taking it!

Protease is supper specific in digesting and breaking down PROTEIN...ANY KIND OF

PROTEIN! Experiment....put a water protease solution in a cup, and drop in a

piece of protein....and kind....and watch what happens.

If the gut is already damaged after what I experienced protease IS NOT SAFE for

some of us. The unprotected lining of the gut is made of...guess what?

PROTEIN. In my book, Pain is the bodies way of saying something wrong, and to

stop doing it.

Also, the damaged gut does not have the ability to produce all those enzymes

inhibitors that stop the function of protease....so until it leave the body it

continues to irritate a already irritated lining of the intestines...that can

further aggravate erosion, ulcers, damage and where there is chronic

inflammation and irritation and " sore spots " ...cancer is always a possibility,

due to the body always having to be in " repair " mode.

Plus, on a personal level I have been theorizing about this Candase! If it is

only protease and cellulase....I do believe those are the only two in it. How

does the protease...even in a healthy gut....Know not to KILL OUR GOOD GUYS,

since they are made of protein too. And protease is SPECIFIC to digesting ALL

PROTEIN! This is why it kills the candida....AND OUR GOOD GUYS! YIKES!

I look at " breaking the vicious cycle as a war " .......we starve out the bad guys

the SCD way. And we repopulate the gut with good guys the SCD way too, so

they can over populate and continue to starve out the bad guys, since they are

competing for nutrients! YOU CAN DO THIS RATHER FAST (JUST THREE MONTHS) THE

scd WAY.

Our GI specialist says that once the gut heals we don't need enzymes anyway.

Normal gut function takes over. This is also what Elaine says......and he

doesn't want us taking them either. The side affects with people taking them

without needing them for " real " are not documented...since they are rather new

on the market! If on a strict SCDiet the lining of the gut heals fast....it's

the vicious cycle that takes longer to get into check. If protease kills off

our good guys, this battle can take longer not shorter!

I personally am not telling anybody what to do. But in light of this.....I

don't want enzymes/protease to kill off my bad guys! Or inflame our healing gut.

I think again, since Elaine had so much success I will listen to her.

Yet do realize the benefits of enzymes such as lipase and others in the

beginning of diet while the gut heals, or if like me you are missing your

gallbladder, or have pancreatic function problems.

Right now I am looking for JUST lipase.......took out the protease out of KIKI

and mine diet and we feel much better and her diarrhea is gone! She is no

longer acting like she is in pain either.

We are healing the SCD way...and all outer signs of yeast are gone

today...thanks to our last killer die off! So we must be doing something right.

We are winning the war Elaine's way. Isn't this a SCD list serve any way?

I am not battling here with anyone. It is up to you what you do. I am an

inquiring mind and only want the best for my family. This is why I look into

things. 18 months experimenting with different diet plans to save our daughter

from the depths of autism...I learned something during that year and a half. I

have over 15 books and I have read them all. Yes some on enzymes.

So far SCD is winning the " fight " by far. Brining our kiki back!

Sincerely, Antoinette (2 plus months the strictest SCd, is working and healing

us all, all five of us.)

a.. Visit your group " pecanbread<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pecanbread> "

on the web.

b..

[Guest guest]

Dear and to all it may concern,

I am just going by what Elaine feared for us. Yes she is not God. But in light

of our intestines BURNING when we took CANDASE and Protease filled enzymes I

believe her fear! She worried about this enzyme and did not want people with

damage taking it!

Protease is supper specific in digesting and breaking down PROTEIN...ANY KIND OF

PROTEIN! Experiment....put a water protease solution in a cup, and drop in a

piece of protein....and kind....and watch what happens.

If the gut is already damaged after what I experienced protease IS NOT SAFE for

some of us. The unprotected lining of the gut is made of...guess what?

PROTEIN. In my book, Pain is the bodies way of saying something wrong, and to

stop doing it.

Also, the damaged gut does not have the ability to produce all those enzymes

inhibitors that stop the function of protease....so until it leave the body it

continues to irritate a already irritated lining of the intestines...that can

further aggravate erosion, ulcers, damage and where there is chronic

inflammation and irritation and " sore spots " ...cancer is always a possibility,

due to the body always having to be in " repair " mode.

Plus, on a personal level I have been theorizing about this Candase! If it is

only protease and cellulase....I do believe those are the only two in it. How

does the protease...even in a healthy gut....Know not to KILL OUR GOOD GUYS,

since they are made of protein too. And protease is SPECIFIC to digesting ALL

PROTEIN! This is why it kills the candida....AND OUR GOOD GUYS! YIKES!

I look at " breaking the vicious cycle as a war " .......we starve out the bad guys

the SCD way. And we repopulate the gut with good guys the SCD way too, so

they can over populate and continue to starve out the bad guys, since they are

competing for nutrients! YOU CAN DO THIS RATHER FAST (JUST THREE MONTHS) THE

scd WAY.

Our GI specialist says that once the gut heals we don't need enzymes anyway.

Normal gut function takes over. This is also what Elaine says......and he

doesn't want us taking them either. The side affects with people taking them

without needing them for " real " are not documented...since they are rather new

on the market! If on a strict SCDiet the lining of the gut heals fast....it's

the vicious cycle that takes longer to get into check. If protease kills off

our good guys, this battle can take longer not shorter!

I personally am not telling anybody what to do. But in light of this.....I

don't want enzymes/protease to kill off my bad guys! Or inflame our healing gut.

I think again, since Elaine had so much success I will listen to her.

Yet do realize the benefits of enzymes such as lipase and others in the

beginning of diet while the gut heals, or if like me you are missing your

gallbladder, or have pancreatic function problems.

Right now I am looking for JUST lipase.......took out the protease out of KIKI

and mine diet and we feel much better and her diarrhea is gone! She is no

longer acting like she is in pain either.

We are healing the SCD way...and all outer signs of yeast are gone

today...thanks to our last killer die off! So we must be doing something right.

We are winning the war Elaine's way. Isn't this a SCD list serve any way?

I am not battling here with anyone. It is up to you what you do. I am an

inquiring mind and only want the best for my family. This is why I look into

things. 18 months experimenting with different diet plans to save our daughter

from the depths of autism...I learned something during that year and a half. I

have over 15 books and I have read them all. Yes some on enzymes.

So far SCD is winning the " fight " by far. Brining our kiki back!

Sincerely, Antoinette (2 plus months the strictest SCd, is working and healing

us all, all five of us.)

a.. Visit your group " pecanbread<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pecanbread> "

on the web.

b..

[Guest guest]

your over-emotional response and problem solving diffculties are very

indicative of intestinal yeast overgrowth.

one of dr. haas's original formulas used pepsin which is a protease

from your other post you have had a gall bladder removed and this

seems to create a lot of downstream diffculties in terms of organic

and heavy metal toxin removal from the liver

its one of the worst operations to have in terms of long term body

health and the only reason they get removed is cause not enough fat

was eaten to cause the gall baldder to fill and flush enough.

a combination i have found to work for intestinal yeast is candex and

NOT candidase, the houstonni enzymes, north american herb and

spice 'oreanol' and a detailed supplementation including zinc

monomethionine

it is a mistake to asume that 'normal' pancreatic function is

sufficent because the vast majority of parents and children on these

boards have extra metabolic pathways turned on at the genetic

expression and gene level and the nutrient requirement to be healthy

is above what nomrally functioning body processes can give

>

> Dear and to all it may concern,

>

> I am just going by what Elaine feared for us. Yes she is not God.

But in light of our intestines BURNING when we took CANDASE and

Protease filled enzymes I believe her fear! She worried about this

enzyme and did not want people with damage taking it!

>

> Protease is supper specific in digesting and breaking down

PROTEIN...ANY KIND OF PROTEIN! Experiment....put a water protease

solution in a cup, and drop in a piece of protein....and kind....and

watch what happens.

>

> If the gut is already damaged after what I experienced protease IS

NOT SAFE for some of us. The unprotected lining of the gut is made

of...guess what? PROTEIN. In my book, Pain is the bodies way of

saying something wrong, and to stop doing it.

>

> Also, the damaged gut does not have the ability to produce all

those enzymes inhibitors that stop the function of protease....so

until it leave the body it continues to irritate a already irritated

lining of the intestines...that can further aggravate erosion,

ulcers, damage and where there is chronic inflammation and irritation

and " sore spots " ...cancer is always a possibility, due to the body

always having to be in " repair " mode.

>

> Plus, on a personal level I have been theorizing about this

Candase! If it is only protease and cellulase....I do believe those

are the only two in it. How does the protease...even in a healthy

gut....Know not to KILL OUR GOOD GUYS, since they are made of protein

too. And protease is SPECIFIC to digesting ALL PROTEIN! This is why

it kills the candida....AND OUR GOOD GUYS! YIKES!

>

> I look at " breaking the vicious cycle as a war " .......we starve out

the bad guys the SCD way. And we repopulate the gut with good guys

the SCD way too, so they can over populate and continue to starve out

the bad guys, since they are competing for nutrients! YOU CAN DO

THIS RATHER FAST (JUST THREE MONTHS) THE scd WAY.

>

> Our GI specialist says that once the gut heals we don't need

enzymes anyway. Normal gut function takes over. This is also what

Elaine says......and he doesn't want us taking them either. The side

affects with people taking them without needing them for " real " are

not documented...since they are rather new on the market! If on a

strict SCDiet the lining of the gut heals fast....it's the vicious

cycle that takes longer to get into check. If protease kills off our

good guys, this battle can take longer not shorter!

>

>

> I personally am not telling anybody what to do. But in light of

this.....I don't want enzymes/protease to kill off my bad guys! Or

inflame our healing gut. I think again, since Elaine had so much

success I will listen to her.

>

> Yet do realize the benefits of enzymes such as lipase and others in

the beginning of diet while the gut heals, or if like me you are

missing your gallbladder, or have pancreatic function problems.

>

> Right now I am looking for JUST lipase.......took out the protease

out of KIKI and mine diet and we feel much better and her diarrhea is

gone! She is no longer acting like she is in pain either.

>

> We are healing the SCD way...and all outer signs of yeast are gone

today...thanks to our last killer die off! So we must be doing

something right.

>

> We are winning the war Elaine's way. Isn't this a SCD list serve

any way?

>

> I am not battling here with anyone. It is up to you what you do.

I am an inquiring mind and only want the best for my family. This is

why I look into things. 18 months experimenting with different diet

plans to save our daughter from the depths of autism...I learned

something during that year and a half. I have over 15 books and I

have read them all. Yes some on enzymes.

>

> So far SCD is winning the " fight " by far. Brining our kiki back!

>

> Sincerely, Antoinette (2 plus months the strictest SCd, is working

and healing us all, all five of us.)

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> a.. Visit your

group " pecanbread<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pecanbread> " on the

web.

>

> b..

[Guest guest]

your over-emotional response and problem solving diffculties are very

indicative of intestinal yeast overgrowth.

one of dr. haas's original formulas used pepsin which is a protease

from your other post you have had a gall bladder removed and this

seems to create a lot of downstream diffculties in terms of organic

and heavy metal toxin removal from the liver

its one of the worst operations to have in terms of long term body

health and the only reason they get removed is cause not enough fat

was eaten to cause the gall baldder to fill and flush enough.

a combination i have found to work for intestinal yeast is candex and

NOT candidase, the houstonni enzymes, north american herb and

spice 'oreanol' and a detailed supplementation including zinc

monomethionine

it is a mistake to asume that 'normal' pancreatic function is

sufficent because the vast majority of parents and children on these

boards have extra metabolic pathways turned on at the genetic

expression and gene level and the nutrient requirement to be healthy

is above what nomrally functioning body processes can give

>

> Dear and to all it may concern,

>

> I am just going by what Elaine feared for us. Yes she is not God.

But in light of our intestines BURNING when we took CANDASE and

Protease filled enzymes I believe her fear! She worried about this

enzyme and did not want people with damage taking it!

>

> Protease is supper specific in digesting and breaking down

PROTEIN...ANY KIND OF PROTEIN! Experiment....put a water protease

solution in a cup, and drop in a piece of protein....and kind....and

watch what happens.

>

> If the gut is already damaged after what I experienced protease IS

NOT SAFE for some of us. The unprotected lining of the gut is made

of...guess what? PROTEIN. In my book, Pain is the bodies way of

saying something wrong, and to stop doing it.

>

> Also, the damaged gut does not have the ability to produce all

those enzymes inhibitors that stop the function of protease....so

until it leave the body it continues to irritate a already irritated

lining of the intestines...that can further aggravate erosion,

ulcers, damage and where there is chronic inflammation and irritation

and " sore spots " ...cancer is always a possibility, due to the body

always having to be in " repair " mode.

>

> Plus, on a personal level I have been theorizing about this

Candase! If it is only protease and cellulase....I do believe those

are the only two in it. How does the protease...even in a healthy

gut....Know not to KILL OUR GOOD GUYS, since they are made of protein

too. And protease is SPECIFIC to digesting ALL PROTEIN! This is why

it kills the candida....AND OUR GOOD GUYS! YIKES!

>

> I look at " breaking the vicious cycle as a war " .......we starve out

the bad guys the SCD way. And we repopulate the gut with good guys

the SCD way too, so they can over populate and continue to starve out

the bad guys, since they are competing for nutrients! YOU CAN DO

THIS RATHER FAST (JUST THREE MONTHS) THE scd WAY.

>

> Our GI specialist says that once the gut heals we don't need

enzymes anyway. Normal gut function takes over. This is also what

Elaine says......and he doesn't want us taking them either. The side

affects with people taking them without needing them for " real " are

not documented...since they are rather new on the market! If on a

strict SCDiet the lining of the gut heals fast....it's the vicious

cycle that takes longer to get into check. If protease kills off our

good guys, this battle can take longer not shorter!

>

>

> I personally am not telling anybody what to do. But in light of

this.....I don't want enzymes/protease to kill off my bad guys! Or

inflame our healing gut. I think again, since Elaine had so much

success I will listen to her.

>

> Yet do realize the benefits of enzymes such as lipase and others in

the beginning of diet while the gut heals, or if like me you are

missing your gallbladder, or have pancreatic function problems.

>

> Right now I am looking for JUST lipase.......took out the protease

out of KIKI and mine diet and we feel much better and her diarrhea is

gone! She is no longer acting like she is in pain either.

>

> We are healing the SCD way...and all outer signs of yeast are gone

today...thanks to our last killer die off! So we must be doing

something right.

>

> We are winning the war Elaine's way. Isn't this a SCD list serve

any way?

>

> I am not battling here with anyone. It is up to you what you do.

I am an inquiring mind and only want the best for my family. This is

why I look into things. 18 months experimenting with different diet

plans to save our daughter from the depths of autism...I learned

something during that year and a half. I have over 15 books and I

have read them all. Yes some on enzymes.

>

> So far SCD is winning the " fight " by far. Brining our kiki back!

>

> Sincerely, Antoinette (2 plus months the strictest SCd, is working

and healing us all, all five of us.)

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> a.. Visit your

group " pecanbread<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pecanbread> " on the

web.

>

> b..

[Guest guest]

You said: " Protease is supper specific in digesting and breaking down

PROTEIN...ANY KIND OF PROTEIN! "

There is no evidence to support this statement. Not all proteases are the same

from supplement to supplement, they are highly individual and work on people's

bodies in different ways. One enzyme supplement may work one way in my body, and

the same one may work differently in your body.

There is a process to enzyme supplementation, and it involves trial and error

in logical pattern, such as 's method of low and slow. For instance, one

technique is to start 1/8 a capsule of Zyme Prime, then a week or so later, 1/8

a capsule of No Fenol (which contains no protease). Within this framework, you

are talking about staying at 1/8 a capsule, literally a few grains for quite a

long time until your intestinal integrity has been built up. We love houston's,

but there are other enzymes this can work with too.

An interesting observation, both my son Ben and myself have normal enzyme

function tests. Neither of us can digest lactose, which is one clue that we

ourselves needed enzymes. This made the tiny fraction of lactose remaining in

the yogurt and some cheese bothersome until we worked up correctly with enzymes.

When we started SCD, we did SCD exclusively for at least 5 months (don't quote

me, need to check our food diary of last year) before starting down the road of

enzymes. We made marvelous progress on SCD alone, but when we started enzymes

correctly, the jump was amazing. Still, this may not be for everybody, and I

don't think anyone here is saying there are for everybody. Our progress has been

bout 40% SCD, 40% enzymes, and 20% other misc. I use.

As far as the whole cancer bit, I don't believe it for one bit. Otherwise, we

would all naturally have cancer, all of our ancestors would have cancer from our

own digestive enzymes. A healthy body produces plentiful digestive enzymes.

If your gut is very damaged, and all intestinal integrity is gone, you would

not be able to handle your own bodies natural digestive enzymes. If a test says

they are normal, you can be pretty sure to disregard the results. You have done

your own test, you are not secreting normal levels of digestive enzymes! You

have your proof. You cannot tolerate digestive enzymes. Your next step, using

any method you desire, from SCD to anything, is to work on your own intestinal

integrity, so your body can handle enzymes, whether the enzymes come from a

supplement or your own body.

As many of us have found, healing is not " either/or " . People choose protocols,

diets, tools, supplements based on proactive healing, and I do not believe

anyone on this path is interested in anything else but their own and others

healing. The toolbag is fairly large. There is no such thing as comparison

between conditions...there is no comparison, only people make comparisons, and

when one scruitinizes these comparisons, they are no longer looking at the

condition they are trying to heal, the reality of it itself, the focus is on

comparison.

Peace to you,

Summer

Bunce wrote:

Dear and to all it may concern,

I am just going by what Elaine feared for us. Yes she is not God. But in light

of our intestines BURNING when we took CANDASE and Protease filled enzymes I

believe her fear! She worried about this enzyme and did not want people with

damage taking it!

Protease is supper specific in digesting and breaking down PROTEIN...ANY KIND OF

PROTEIN! Experiment....put a water protease solution in a cup, and drop in a

piece of protein....and kind....and watch what happens.

If the gut is already damaged after what I experienced protease IS NOT SAFE for

some of us. The unprotected lining of the gut is made of...guess what?

PROTEIN. In my book, Pain is the bodies way of saying something wrong, and to

stop doing it.

Also, the damaged gut does not have the ability to produce all those enzymes

inhibitors that stop the function of protease....so until it leave the body it

continues to irritate a already irritated lining of the intestines...that can

further aggravate erosion, ulcers, damage and where there is chronic

inflammation and irritation and " sore spots " ...cancer is always a possibility,

due to the body always having to be in " repair " mode.

Plus, on a personal level I have been theorizing about this Candase! If it is

only protease and cellulase....I do believe those are the only two in it. How

does the protease...even in a healthy gut....Know not to KILL OUR GOOD GUYS,

since they are made of protein too. And protease is SPECIFIC to digesting ALL

PROTEIN! This is why it kills the candida....AND OUR GOOD GUYS! YIKES!

I look at " breaking the vicious cycle as a war " .......we starve out the bad guys

the SCD way. And we repopulate the gut with good guys the SCD way too, so

they can over populate and continue to starve out the bad guys, since they are

competing for nutrients! YOU CAN DO THIS RATHER FAST (JUST THREE MONTHS) THE

scd WAY.

Our GI specialist says that once the gut heals we don't need enzymes anyway.

Normal gut function takes over. This is also what Elaine says......and he

doesn't want us taking them either. The side affects with people taking them

without needing them for " real " are not documented...since they are rather new

on the market! If on a strict SCDiet the lining of the gut heals fast....it's

the vicious cycle that takes longer to get into check. If protease kills off

our good guys, this battle can take longer not shorter!

I personally am not telling anybody what to do. But in light of this.....I

don't want enzymes/protease to kill off my bad guys! Or inflame our healing gut.

I think again, since Elaine had so much success I will listen to her.

Yet do realize the benefits of enzymes such as lipase and others in the

beginning of diet while the gut heals, or if like me you are missing your

gallbladder, or have pancreatic function problems.

Right now I am looking for JUST lipase.......took out the protease out of KIKI

and mine diet and we feel much better and her diarrhea is gone! She is no

longer acting like she is in pain either.

We are healing the SCD way...and all outer signs of yeast are gone

today...thanks to our last killer die off! So we must be doing something right.

We are winning the war Elaine's way. Isn't this a SCD list serve any way?

I am not battling here with anyone. It is up to you what you do. I am an

inquiring mind and only want the best for my family. This is why I look into

things. 18 months experimenting with different diet plans to save our daughter

from the depths of autism...I learned something during that year and a half. I

have over 15 books and I have read them all. Yes some on enzymes.

So far SCD is winning the " fight " by far. Brining our kiki back!

Sincerely, Antoinette (2 plus months the strictest SCd, is working and healing

us all, all five of us.)

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[Guest guest]

You said: " Protease is supper specific in digesting and breaking down

PROTEIN...ANY KIND OF PROTEIN! "

There is no evidence to support this statement. Not all proteases are the same

from supplement to supplement, they are highly individual and work on people's

bodies in different ways. One enzyme supplement may work one way in my body, and

the same one may work differently in your body.

There is a process to enzyme supplementation, and it involves trial and error

in logical pattern, such as 's method of low and slow. For instance, one

technique is to start 1/8 a capsule of Zyme Prime, then a week or so later, 1/8

a capsule of No Fenol (which contains no protease). Within this framework, you

are talking about staying at 1/8 a capsule, literally a few grains for quite a

long time until your intestinal integrity has been built up. We love houston's,

but there are other enzymes this can work with too.

An interesting observation, both my son Ben and myself have normal enzyme

function tests. Neither of us can digest lactose, which is one clue that we

ourselves needed enzymes. This made the tiny fraction of lactose remaining in

the yogurt and some cheese bothersome until we worked up correctly with enzymes.

When we started SCD, we did SCD exclusively for at least 5 months (don't quote

me, need to check our food diary of last year) before starting down the road of

enzymes. We made marvelous progress on SCD alone, but when we started enzymes

correctly, the jump was amazing. Still, this may not be for everybody, and I

don't think anyone here is saying there are for everybody. Our progress has been

bout 40% SCD, 40% enzymes, and 20% other misc. I use.

As far as the whole cancer bit, I don't believe it for one bit. Otherwise, we

would all naturally have cancer, all of our ancestors would have cancer from our

own digestive enzymes. A healthy body produces plentiful digestive enzymes.

If your gut is very damaged, and all intestinal integrity is gone, you would

not be able to handle your own bodies natural digestive enzymes. If a test says

they are normal, you can be pretty sure to disregard the results. You have done

your own test, you are not secreting normal levels of digestive enzymes! You

have your proof. You cannot tolerate digestive enzymes. Your next step, using

any method you desire, from SCD to anything, is to work on your own intestinal

integrity, so your body can handle enzymes, whether the enzymes come from a

supplement or your own body.

As many of us have found, healing is not " either/or " . People choose protocols,

diets, tools, supplements based on proactive healing, and I do not believe

anyone on this path is interested in anything else but their own and others

healing. The toolbag is fairly large. There is no such thing as comparison

between conditions...there is no comparison, only people make comparisons, and

when one scruitinizes these comparisons, they are no longer looking at the

condition they are trying to heal, the reality of it itself, the focus is on

comparison.

Peace to you,

Summer

Bunce wrote:

Dear and to all it may concern,

I am just going by what Elaine feared for us. Yes she is not God. But in light

of our intestines BURNING when we took CANDASE and Protease filled enzymes I

believe her fear! She worried about this enzyme and did not want people with

damage taking it!

Protease is supper specific in digesting and breaking down PROTEIN...ANY KIND OF

PROTEIN! Experiment....put a water protease solution in a cup, and drop in a

piece of protein....and kind....and watch what happens.

If the gut is already damaged after what I experienced protease IS NOT SAFE for

some of us. The unprotected lining of the gut is made of...guess what?

PROTEIN. In my book, Pain is the bodies way of saying something wrong, and to

stop doing it.

Also, the damaged gut does not have the ability to produce all those enzymes

inhibitors that stop the function of protease....so until it leave the body it

continues to irritate a already irritated lining of the intestines...that can

further aggravate erosion, ulcers, damage and where there is chronic

inflammation and irritation and " sore spots " ...cancer is always a possibility,

due to the body always having to be in " repair " mode.

Plus, on a personal level I have been theorizing about this Candase! If it is

only protease and cellulase....I do believe those are the only two in it. How

does the protease...even in a healthy gut....Know not to KILL OUR GOOD GUYS,

since they are made of protein too. And protease is SPECIFIC to digesting ALL

PROTEIN! This is why it kills the candida....AND OUR GOOD GUYS! YIKES!

I look at " breaking the vicious cycle as a war " .......we starve out the bad guys

the SCD way. And we repopulate the gut with good guys the SCD way too, so

they can over populate and continue to starve out the bad guys, since they are

competing for nutrients! YOU CAN DO THIS RATHER FAST (JUST THREE MONTHS) THE

scd WAY.

Our GI specialist says that once the gut heals we don't need enzymes anyway.

Normal gut function takes over. This is also what Elaine says......and he

doesn't want us taking them either. The side affects with people taking them

without needing them for " real " are not documented...since they are rather new

on the market! If on a strict SCDiet the lining of the gut heals fast....it's

the vicious cycle that takes longer to get into check. If protease kills off

our good guys, this battle can take longer not shorter!

I personally am not telling anybody what to do. But in light of this.....I

don't want enzymes/protease to kill off my bad guys! Or inflame our healing gut.

I think again, since Elaine had so much success I will listen to her.

Yet do realize the benefits of enzymes such as lipase and others in the

beginning of diet while the gut heals, or if like me you are missing your

gallbladder, or have pancreatic function problems.

Right now I am looking for JUST lipase.......took out the protease out of KIKI

and mine diet and we feel much better and her diarrhea is gone! She is no

longer acting like she is in pain either.

We are healing the SCD way...and all outer signs of yeast are gone

today...thanks to our last killer die off! So we must be doing something right.

We are winning the war Elaine's way. Isn't this a SCD list serve any way?

I am not battling here with anyone. It is up to you what you do. I am an

inquiring mind and only want the best for my family. This is why I look into

things. 18 months experimenting with different diet plans to save our daughter

from the depths of autism...I learned something during that year and a half. I

have over 15 books and I have read them all. Yes some on enzymes.

So far SCD is winning the " fight " by far. Brining our kiki back!

Sincerely, Antoinette (2 plus months the strictest SCd, is working and healing

us all, all five of us.)

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