Wheelchairs for Ralph

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I just wanted to thank everyone for all the answers to my e-mail. Ralph is on pro-amatine 10mg ever three hours, when up (up to 5 dozes max), Florinef -0.1mg - one and half tablets once in the morning, his heart medicine - Pacerone 300mg once a day, plus the other stuff that has kept the same. He has his good days and bad. Also, I know the MSA was diagnosed late, but when this all started back in 95 when he started having heart problems and then other symptoms starting little by little is this when the MSA started?

I also have another question for you all if you do not mind. A man reference to a wheel chair for Ralph came over today from our insurance network. We have a loaner which is a Pronto R2 by Invacare lift chair. He also left information on Jazzy. I know the only set back of getting a lift, that it is not portable. Can anyone give any insight of what they have and like versus another. Thank you so much! I really do appreciate you all very much! Love, Shirley

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I just wanted to thank everyone for all the answers to my e-mail. Ralph is on pro-amatine 10mg ever three hours, when up (up to 5 dozes max), Florinef -0.1mg - one and half tablets once in the morning, his heart medicine - Pacerone 300mg once a day, plus the other stuff that has kept the same. He has his good days and bad. Also, I know the MSA was diagnosed late, but when this all started back in 95 when he started having heart problems and then other symptoms starting little by little is this when the MSA started?

I also have another question for you all if you do not mind. A man reference to a wheel chair for Ralph came over today from our insurance network. We have a loaner which is a Pronto R2 by Invacare lift chair. He also left information on Jazzy. I know the only set back of getting a lift, that it is not portable. Can anyone give any insight of what they have and like versus another. Thank you so much! I really do appreciate you all very much! Love, Shirley

Ralph and I are sending much love and sympathy to those who lost their love ones recently. Also, for those in the hospital sending thoughts and prayers, along with everyone else. I am so backed up on my e-mail.

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Shirley: Are you referring to a hoyer lift? I have a

battery=powered hoyer lift for Sam, and can use it, but it is a lot of

work, and at 76, I find it difficult. However, it is a lot better

than trying to move him from the wheelchair to the bed without it--then

we both end up sprawled on the bed in all kinds of odd positions.

Fortunately, Sam has no pain. I put the sling in the chair and he

sits on it, so is all ready for the lift when I need it. I have not

done much moving the hoyer from room to room as needed, but I know that

is what I will have to do in the immediate future. I wish I could

push him around in it, but it's not meant for that.He spends very little

time in the quickie manual wheel chair, we just use it for transport back

and forth from his lounge lift chair and we have wall to wall carpets

here on our ground floor place, and I find it very hard to maneuver and

push the manual wheel chair. We are getting a battery one with a

remote, so that will be a great help. He won't be able to steer the

wheelchair at all. So it goes. We do manage one way or

another, and Sam is a good sport, even when I take the covers off his bed

as I am sweating from moving him around. At 10:08 PM 10/11/2002

-0400, you wrote:

I just wanted to thank everyone for all the

answers to my e-mail. Ralph is on pro-amatine 10mg ever three

hours, when up (up to 5 dozes max), Florinef -0.1mg - one and half

tablets once in the morning, his heart medicine - Pacerone 300mg once a

day, plus the other stuff that has kept the same. He has his good

days and bad. Also, I know the MSA was diagnosed late, but

when this all started back in 95 when he started having heart problems

and then other symptoms starting little by little is this when the MSA

started?

I also have another question for you all if you do

not mind. A man reference to a wheel chair for Ralph came over

today from our insurance network. We have a loaner which is a

Pronto R2 by Invacare lift chair. He also left information on

Jazzy. I know the only set back of getting a lift, that it is

not portable. Can anyone give any insight of what they have and

like versus another. Thank you so much! I really do

appreciate you all very much! Love,

Shirley

Ralph and I are sending much love and sympathy to

those who lost their love ones recently. Also, for those in

the hospital sending thoughts and prayers, along with everyone

else. I am so backed up on my

e-mail.

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to our feet when our wings have trouble remembering

how to fly "

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Shirley: Are you referring to a hoyer lift? I have a

battery=powered hoyer lift for Sam, and can use it, but it is a lot of

work, and at 76, I find it difficult. However, it is a lot better

than trying to move him from the wheelchair to the bed without it--then

we both end up sprawled on the bed in all kinds of odd positions.

Fortunately, Sam has no pain. I put the sling in the chair and he

sits on it, so is all ready for the lift when I need it. I have not

done much moving the hoyer from room to room as needed, but I know that

is what I will have to do in the immediate future. I wish I could

push him around in it, but it's not meant for that.He spends very little

time in the quickie manual wheel chair, we just use it for transport back

and forth from his lounge lift chair and we have wall to wall carpets

here on our ground floor place, and I find it very hard to maneuver and

push the manual wheel chair. We are getting a battery one with a

remote, so that will be a great help. He won't be able to steer the

wheelchair at all. So it goes. We do manage one way or

another, and Sam is a good sport, even when I take the covers off his bed

as I am sweating from moving him around. At 10:08 PM 10/11/2002

-0400, you wrote:

I just wanted to thank everyone for all the

answers to my e-mail. Ralph is on pro-amatine 10mg ever three

hours, when up (up to 5 dozes max), Florinef -0.1mg - one and half

tablets once in the morning, his heart medicine - Pacerone 300mg once a

day, plus the other stuff that has kept the same. He has his good

days and bad. Also, I know the MSA was diagnosed late, but

when this all started back in 95 when he started having heart problems

and then other symptoms starting little by little is this when the MSA

started?

I also have another question for you all if you do

not mind. A man reference to a wheel chair for Ralph came over

today from our insurance network. We have a loaner which is a

Pronto R2 by Invacare lift chair. He also left information on

Jazzy. I know the only set back of getting a lift, that it is

not portable. Can anyone give any insight of what they have and

like versus another. Thank you so much! I really do

appreciate you all very much! Love,

Shirley

Ralph and I are sending much love and sympathy to

those who lost their love ones recently. Also, for those in

the hospital sending thoughts and prayers, along with everyone

else. I am so backed up on my

e-mail.

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to our feet when our wings have trouble remembering

how to fly "

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I thought I read you saying "the only drawback to a lift is it is not portable. If you are talking about a Hoyer Lift or similar, it most certainly is portable. I had one for Ken for 5 years. I wheeled it into his bedroom and lifted him to put him in his wheel chair. I wheeled it into the living room to lift him out of his lift chair and transfer to wheel chair., and I also used it in the bathroom to put him in a shower chair. It can be rolled around with them in it, and I have done that, but it is more stable to put them in a wheelchair for the moving from one room to the other and then lift them into bed or chair. When in bed, I put the sling under my husband, by rolling him from one side to the other and then lifted him into a sitting position and swung him into his wheel chair. My was hydraulic, and I really didn't have much trouble with it, once I got used to it. It took very little effort to pump up and down. Go to their web site if you are not familiar with them, and take a look. Medicare provided me with mine for the duration of his illness.

http://www.phc-online.com/?adv=google_hoyer

http://www.rehabmart.com/bedroom4.asp?se=google & keyword=hoyer%20lift

Bernice

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I thought I read you saying "the only drawback to a lift is it is not portable. If you are talking about a Hoyer Lift or similar, it most certainly is portable. I had one for Ken for 5 years. I wheeled it into his bedroom and lifted him to put him in his wheel chair. I wheeled it into the living room to lift him out of his lift chair and transfer to wheel chair., and I also used it in the bathroom to put him in a shower chair. It can be rolled around with them in it, and I have done that, but it is more stable to put them in a wheelchair for the moving from one room to the other and then lift them into bed or chair. When in bed, I put the sling under my husband, by rolling him from one side to the other and then lifted him into a sitting position and swung him into his wheel chair. My was hydraulic, and I really didn't have much trouble with it, once I got used to it. It took very little effort to pump up and down. Go to their web site if you are not familiar with them, and take a look. Medicare provided me with mine for the duration of his illness.

http://www.phc-online.com/?adv=google_hoyer

http://www.rehabmart.com/bedroom4.asp?se=google & keyword=hoyer%20lift

Bernice

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Re Hoyer lift--I was told it was not safe to go more than a couple of

feet with the lift with someone in the sling. It would be wonderful

to trundle it down the hall to the next place with the patient in the

sling, , but thought that was a no-no. It would save getting the

sling on a few times. I have wheeled the empty lift down the hall

etc. I imagine the sling can be put on when someone is sitting in the

wheelchair, but it surely doesn't sound easy. All the instructions

in the manual recommend 2 attendants and have 2 attendants in the

illustrations. Did you have an extra sling? Did you have a

commode sling--I think that would be useful. Sam weighs about 165, is 6'

2 " , and most of the time cannot help one iota. Let me hear

some more tips and experiences from you. Thanks. Lou

Reynolds At 12:46 PM 10/12/2002 -0400, you wrote:

I thought I read you saying

" the only drawback to a lift is it is not portable. If you are

talking about a Hoyer Lift or similar, it most certainly is

portable. I had one for Ken for 5 years. I wheeled it into

his bedroom and lifted him to put him in his wheel chair. I wheeled

it into the living room to lift him out of his lift chair and transfer to

wheel chair., and I also used it in the bathroom to put him in a shower

chair. It can be rolled around with them in it, and I have done

that, but it is more stable to put them in a wheelchair for the moving

from one room to the other and then lift them into bed or chair.

When in bed, I put the sling under my husband, by rolling him from one

side to the other and then lifted him into a sitting position and swung

him into his wheel chair. My was hydraulic, and I really didn't

have much trouble with it, once I got used to it. It took very

little effort to pump up and down. Go to their web site if you are

not familiar with them, and take a look. Medicare provided me with

mine for the duration of his illness.

http://www.phc-online.com/?adv=google_hoyer

http://www.rehabmart.com/bedroom4.asp?se=google & keyword=hoyer%20lift

Bernice

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Re Hoyer lift--I was told it was not safe to go more than a couple of

feet with the lift with someone in the sling. It would be wonderful

to trundle it down the hall to the next place with the patient in the

sling, , but thought that was a no-no. It would save getting the

sling on a few times. I have wheeled the empty lift down the hall

etc. I imagine the sling can be put on when someone is sitting in the

wheelchair, but it surely doesn't sound easy. All the instructions

in the manual recommend 2 attendants and have 2 attendants in the

illustrations. Did you have an extra sling? Did you have a

commode sling--I think that would be useful. Sam weighs about 165, is 6'

2 " , and most of the time cannot help one iota. Let me hear

some more tips and experiences from you. Thanks. Lou

Reynolds At 12:46 PM 10/12/2002 -0400, you wrote:

I thought I read you saying

" the only drawback to a lift is it is not portable. If you are

talking about a Hoyer Lift or similar, it most certainly is

portable. I had one for Ken for 5 years. I wheeled it into

his bedroom and lifted him to put him in his wheel chair. I wheeled

it into the living room to lift him out of his lift chair and transfer to

wheel chair., and I also used it in the bathroom to put him in a shower

chair. It can be rolled around with them in it, and I have done

that, but it is more stable to put them in a wheelchair for the moving

from one room to the other and then lift them into bed or chair.

When in bed, I put the sling under my husband, by rolling him from one

side to the other and then lifted him into a sitting position and swung

him into his wheel chair. My was hydraulic, and I really didn't

have much trouble with it, once I got used to it. It took very

little effort to pump up and down. Go to their web site if you are

not familiar with them, and take a look. Medicare provided me with

mine for the duration of his illness.

http://www.phc-online.com/?adv=google_hoyer

http://www.rehabmart.com/bedroom4.asp?se=google & keyword=hoyer%20lift

Bernice

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I know all the instruction manuals show two men handling the lift. I remember

when I first got mine, my nephew was there and we were looking at that and he

said "if you had two men, you wouldn't need the lift.

My husband was close to 200lbs a good part of the time. I was not little, but

no where near his weight. At least 55 lbs lighter. I did have two slings,

but had to buy one of them. I had one for the commode/shower, and one for the

chair. I left the sling on him, when I deposited him in the wheel chair and

also his other chair. The only time I removed it was after I put him in bed

and I had to roll him one way and then the other to pull it out. And the

reverse when I wanted to get him up in the morning. Both were washable. He

was totally paralyzed and could not help one bit. Was unable to stand, so

there was no help at all in moving him without the lift.

It is true, that you have to be careful when trying to move the lift with him

in it. Much more careful than when you are just lifting him, but I did do it.

Not all the time but sometimes when it was going to be easier than all the

transferring. We too had carpet, which I would not recommend for anyone with

a wheel chair, but that's what we had. I put a plastic Office mat (Like the

ones used by desks) by his bed and made the swirling around of the lift much

easier on that hard plastic service. I also put one in front of his recliner

chair. The bathroom was tile so that was easy. I had a large handicapped

equiped roll in shower. I wasn't 70 yet then, but closing in on it and still

found that I could handle it. So could the home health care aides who came to

help him some time, and they were smaller than I. Let me know if there is

Anything else I can tell you. Bernice

[Guest guest]

I know all the instruction manuals show two men handling the lift. I remember

when I first got mine, my nephew was there and we were looking at that and he

said "if you had two men, you wouldn't need the lift.

My husband was close to 200lbs a good part of the time. I was not little, but

no where near his weight. At least 55 lbs lighter. I did have two slings,

but had to buy one of them. I had one for the commode/shower, and one for the

chair. I left the sling on him, when I deposited him in the wheel chair and

also his other chair. The only time I removed it was after I put him in bed

and I had to roll him one way and then the other to pull it out. And the

reverse when I wanted to get him up in the morning. Both were washable. He

was totally paralyzed and could not help one bit. Was unable to stand, so

there was no help at all in moving him without the lift.

It is true, that you have to be careful when trying to move the lift with him

in it. Much more careful than when you are just lifting him, but I did do it.

Not all the time but sometimes when it was going to be easier than all the

transferring. We too had carpet, which I would not recommend for anyone with

a wheel chair, but that's what we had. I put a plastic Office mat (Like the

ones used by desks) by his bed and made the swirling around of the lift much

easier on that hard plastic service. I also put one in front of his recliner

chair. The bathroom was tile so that was easy. I had a large handicapped

equiped roll in shower. I wasn't 70 yet then, but closing in on it and still

found that I could handle it. So could the home health care aides who came to

help him some time, and they were smaller than I. Let me know if there is

Anything else I can tell you. Bernice

[Guest guest]

I don't know if you already purchased a lift yet... I haven't been

monitoring the list these past few days... But, when I was doing so bad in

July, a lift system was ordered for me. looked at the hoyer lift

system and thought it looked like an eye sore as well as looking difficult

to man with me in it.

We wound up getting a Voyager Lift System by Guardian. It is totally

portable, doesn't require any hardware to install and worked great. Here is

a link to what it looks like:

http://www.allegromedical.com/home/moreinfo.asp?C=530 & S=3697 & M=15272 & P=189496

I guess it would all boil down to what your insurance company is willing to

pay. We have Cigna and it was covered 100%.

Hugs and Warm Fuzzies,

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I know all the instruction manuals show two men handling the lift. I remember

when I first got mine, my nephew was there and we were looking at that and he

said "if you had two men, you wouldn't need the lift.

My husband was close to 200lbs a good part of the time. I was not little, but

no where near his weight. At least 55 lbs lighter. I did have two slings,

but had to buy one of them. I had one for the commode/shower, and one for the

chair. I left the sling on him, when I deposited him in the wheel chair and

also his other chair. The only time I removed it was after I put him in bed

and I had to roll him one way and then the other to pull it out. And the

reverse when I wanted to get him up in the morning. Both were washable. He

was totally paralyzed and could not help one bit. Was unable to stand, so

there was no help at all in moving him without the lift.

It is true, that you have to be careful when trying to move the lift with him

in it. Much more careful than when you are just lifting him, but I did do it.

Not all the time but sometimes when it was going to be easier than all the

transferring. We too had carpet, which I would not recommend for anyone with

a wheel chair, but that's what we had. I put a plastic Office mat (Like the

ones used by desks) by his bed and made the swirling around of the lift much

easier on that hard plastic service. I also put one in front of his recliner

chair. The bathroom was tile so that was easy. I had a large handicapped

equiped roll in shower. I wasn't 70 yet then, but closing in on it and still

found that I could handle it. So could the home health care aides who came to

help him some time, and they were smaller than I. Let me know if there is

Anything else I can tell you. Bernice

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I don't know if you already purchased a lift yet... I haven't been

monitoring the list these past few days... But, when I was doing so bad in

July, a lift system was ordered for me. looked at the hoyer lift

system and thought it looked like an eye sore as well as looking difficult

to man with me in it.

We wound up getting a Voyager Lift System by Guardian. It is totally

portable, doesn't require any hardware to install and worked great. Here is

a link to what it looks like:

http://www.allegromedical.com/home/moreinfo.asp?C=530 & S=3697 & M=15272 & P=189496

I guess it would all boil down to what your insurance company is willing to

pay. We have Cigna and it was covered 100%.

Hugs and Warm Fuzzies,

Deborah aka Tenacity

Personal website & photo's

http://pages.ivillage.com/tenacitywins/

http://community.webshots.com/user/tenacitywins

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I know all the instruction manuals show two men handling the lift. I remember

when I first got mine, my nephew was there and we were looking at that and he

said "if you had two men, you wouldn't need the lift.

My husband was close to 200lbs a good part of the time. I was not little, but

no where near his weight. At least 55 lbs lighter. I did have two slings,

but had to buy one of them. I had one for the commode/shower, and one for the

chair. I left the sling on him, when I deposited him in the wheel chair and

also his other chair. The only time I removed it was after I put him in bed

and I had to roll him one way and then the other to pull it out. And the

reverse when I wanted to get him up in the morning. Both were washable. He

was totally paralyzed and could not help one bit. Was unable to stand, so

there was no help at all in moving him without the lift.

It is true, that you have to be careful when trying to move the lift with him

in it. Much more careful than when you are just lifting him, but I did do it.

Not all the time but sometimes when it was going to be easier than all the

transferring. We too had carpet, which I would not recommend for anyone with

a wheel chair, but that's what we had. I put a plastic Office mat (Like the

ones used by desks) by his bed and made the swirling around of the lift much

easier on that hard plastic service. I also put one in front of his recliner

chair. The bathroom was tile so that was easy. I had a large handicapped

equiped roll in shower. I wasn't 70 yet then, but closing in on it and still

found that I could handle it. So could the home health care aides who came to

help him some time, and they were smaller than I. Let me know if there is

Anything else I can tell you. Bernice

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lou,

If you let Sam down near the floor in the Hoyer - it is reasonably safe

to push or pull him around in it. The other option is to lift him and

put him in the w/c, take him where you want, go back and get the Hoyer

lift him again and set him down where you want. The Hoyer does not

travel well on carpet, but hard floors - it works well.

Take care, Bill Werre

[Guest guest]

lou,

If you let Sam down near the floor in the Hoyer - it is reasonably safe

to push or pull him around in it. The other option is to lift him and

put him in the w/c, take him where you want, go back and get the Hoyer

lift him again and set him down where you want. The Hoyer does not

travel well on carpet, but hard floors - it works well.

Take care, Bill Werre

[Guest guest]

Bill Werre: What a good idea to lower Sam (though he has very long legs

that would drag a bit) when moving the hoyer around. when Sam is in the

sling. That would certainly be a helpful method at times. We do have

carpet, unfortunately, but I think I could manage that--it's a straight run

out the bedroom door and down the hall. to the TV room, Thanks ever so

much. This group is a lifesaver, and I am most appreciative. Lou

Reynolds 08:02 PM 10/14/2002 -0400, you wrote:

>lou,

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>If you let Sam down near the floor in the Hoyer - it is reasonably safe

>to push or pull him around in it. The other option is to lift him and

>put him in the w/c, take him where you want, go back and get the Hoyer

>lift him again and set him down where you want. The Hoyer does not

>travel well on carpet, but hard floors - it works well.

>

>Take care, Bill Werre

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Bill Werre: What a good idea to lower Sam (though he has very long legs

that would drag a bit) when moving the hoyer around. when Sam is in the

sling. That would certainly be a helpful method at times. We do have

carpet, unfortunately, but I think I could manage that--it's a straight run

out the bedroom door and down the hall. to the TV room, Thanks ever so

much. This group is a lifesaver, and I am most appreciative. Lou

Reynolds 08:02 PM 10/14/2002 -0400, you wrote:

>lou,

>

>If you let Sam down near the floor in the Hoyer - it is reasonably safe

>to push or pull him around in it. The other option is to lift him and

>put him in the w/c, take him where you want, go back and get the Hoyer

>lift him again and set him down where you want. The Hoyer does not

>travel well on carpet, but hard floors - it works well.

>

>Take care, Bill Werre

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