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I remember those studies and they were with PD patients.  The conclusions

were much the same as these - it needed more study.  This study said they

gave up to 1200 mg four times a day to get maximum effectiveness.  But they

did not go into how much that effect was.  The best prices I have seen show

that even 1200 mg per day is probably going to cost over $10 per day and

may be as high as $30 per day.  Several people have asked how much Dan took

- do you remember?  I know that Dan was in bad shape the last two years or

so, but I do not remember how long he had MSA (it seems to me that his diagnoses

was confirmed by autopsy).  Some of this info would be helpful to patients

considering using CoQ10.  Also - did he take vitamin E with it.

Note however, that a news article about a scientific study is not always

reviewed by medical or scientific people as the article itself is reviewed.

 Also was the study reported as an abstract of a talk or a reviewed paper.

 Talks and abstracts are usually presented only to scientific people as guides

to further research, whereas papers are scientifically reviewed against other

studies.  I have seen no long term studies on high dosages of CoQ10 for side

effects, so that is another cautionary point you should consider about taking

such high doses.  I think anyone who considers taking high doses of an experimental

supplement should talk it over with their doctor first.

I think it was a review of an abstract which will be presented this month,

so the paper will only be printed if there is a published proceedings.

Note this paragraph:

Recommendations

The research is still in its early stages, and the study does not

provide enough evidence to start recommending that Parkinson's patients

take Co-Q10. All of the patients in the trial had early stage

Parkinson's and there's no data to suggest it works for people who have

later stage disease. Researchers say the doses in the study were far

greater than the amounts available in pill form. Coenzyme q10 brands

sold in stores may differ and might not contain enough of the compound

to make a difference.

Take care,  Bill Werre  (How are things in Florida?)  

P.S. Are you going to be in the DC area in early to mid Nov?  We hope to

have a meeting.

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Ramm wrote:

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href="file://C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Stationery\"> Hi guys,

    Bill, that was a news article taken from an actual study. The

study group was very small. 80- people. 40 with placebos and 40 with Q 10.

Maybe Pam could post the actual paper for us. I'll get the name of the medical

journal, by crook or hook. will try to find the information and post it in

a little while.

 

    if you ago to Jeff's link. There were a slew of article about

Q10 posted about 1996-97 time frame. I think Becky posted them. That's what

originally got our attention.

 

Will get back with the information in a little while!

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,

I remember those studies and they were with PD patients.  The conclusions

were much the same as these - it needed more study.  This study said they

gave up to 1200 mg four times a day to get maximum effectiveness.  But they

did not go into how much that effect was.  The best prices I have seen show

that even 1200 mg per day is probably going to cost over $10 per day and

may be as high as $30 per day.  Several people have asked how much Dan took

- do you remember?  I know that Dan was in bad shape the last two years or

so, but I do not remember how long he had MSA (it seems to me that his diagnoses

was confirmed by autopsy).  Some of this info would be helpful to patients

considering using CoQ10.  Also - did he take vitamin E with it.

Note however, that a news article about a scientific study is not always

reviewed by medical or scientific people as the article itself is reviewed.

 Also was the study reported as an abstract of a talk or a reviewed paper.

 Talks and abstracts are usually presented only to scientific people as guides

to further research, whereas papers are scientifically reviewed against other

studies.  I have seen no long term studies on high dosages of CoQ10 for side

effects, so that is another cautionary point you should consider about taking

such high doses.  I think anyone who considers taking high doses of an experimental

supplement should talk it over with their doctor first.

I think it was a review of an abstract which will be presented this month,

so the paper will only be printed if there is a published proceedings.

Note this paragraph:

Recommendations

The research is still in its early stages, and the study does not

provide enough evidence to start recommending that Parkinson's patients

take Co-Q10. All of the patients in the trial had early stage

Parkinson's and there's no data to suggest it works for people who have

later stage disease. Researchers say the doses in the study were far

greater than the amounts available in pill form. Coenzyme q10 brands

sold in stores may differ and might not contain enough of the compound

to make a difference.

Take care,  Bill Werre  (How are things in Florida?)  

P.S. Are you going to be in the DC area in early to mid Nov?  We hope to

have a meeting.

=========================================

Ramm wrote:

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href="file://C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft Shared\Stationery\"> Hi guys,

    Bill, that was a news article taken from an actual study. The

study group was very small. 80- people. 40 with placebos and 40 with Q 10.

Maybe Pam could post the actual paper for us. I'll get the name of the medical

journal, by crook or hook. will try to find the information and post it in

a little while.

 

    if you ago to Jeff's link. There were a slew of article about

Q10 posted about 1996-97 time frame. I think Becky posted them. That's what

originally got our attention.

 

Will get back with the information in a little while!

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The news article about CoQ10 was referring to the Phase II clinical

study of CoQ10 in 80 Parkinson patients. This study has indeed been

published in the ls of Neurology for October. The study was led

by Dr. Cliff Shults. I posted the abstract yesterday. If you want

to read the full paper you'd have to go to a medical library or you

can probably purchase a copy online.

The pubmed link is here and you can try clicking on the ls of

Neurology to see if you can get the full article.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=12374491 & dopt=Abstract

Regards,

Pam

>

> > href= " file://C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft

Shared\Stationery\ " >

> > Hi guys,

> >

> > Bill, that was a news article taken from an actual study. The

> > study group was very small. 80- people. 40 with placebos and 40

with Q

> > 10. Maybe Pam could post the actual paper for us. I'll get the

name of

> > the medical journal, by crook or hook. will try to find the

> > information and post it in a little while.

> >

> >

> >

> > if you ago to Jeff's link. There were a slew of article about

Q10

> > posted about 1996-97 time frame. I think Becky posted them.

That's

> > what originally got our attention.

> >

> >

> >

> > Will get back with the information in a little while!

> >

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The news article about CoQ10 was referring to the Phase II clinical

study of CoQ10 in 80 Parkinson patients. This study has indeed been

published in the ls of Neurology for October. The study was led

by Dr. Cliff Shults. I posted the abstract yesterday. If you want

to read the full paper you'd have to go to a medical library or you

can probably purchase a copy online.

The pubmed link is here and you can try clicking on the ls of

Neurology to see if you can get the full article.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=12374491 & dopt=Abstract

Regards,

Pam

>

> > href= " file://C:\Program Files\Common Files\Microsoft

Shared\Stationery\ " >

> > Hi guys,

> >

> > Bill, that was a news article taken from an actual study. The

> > study group was very small. 80- people. 40 with placebos and 40

with Q

> > 10. Maybe Pam could post the actual paper for us. I'll get the

name of

> > the medical journal, by crook or hook. will try to find the

> > information and post it in a little while.

> >

> >

> >

> > if you ago to Jeff's link. There were a slew of article about

Q10

> > posted about 1996-97 time frame. I think Becky posted them.

That's

> > what originally got our attention.

> >

> >

> >

> > Will get back with the information in a little while!

> >

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