Re: Deviated Septum question

[Guest guest]

I had septoplasty to correct my deviated nasal septum over 5 years

ago. After surgery my breathing improved. I did not feel any

obstructions anymore. However last summer the same symptoms begin

reapearing again. I started having the same difficulties again.

I did go to see two OS and ask them about the posibility of doing the

enlarging my maxilla because I did notice that it is too narrow but

they both said that there is no guarantee that will solve my

breathing problems. At best there is a 50 percent chance that it

will. Nevertheless, I am still contemplating oral surgery

My advice is to go see a OS and Otolaryngologist see what they have

to say.

> I've never thought about it until now, but then again, I never

> thought about jaw surgery or braces until every professional I went

> to told me I needed both or my teeth would fall out in 20 years - I

> may have a deviated septum that is affecting my breathing and my

> voice. Have any of you guys had this fixed with upper/lower

surgery?

> Do they usually fix this if it needs it while they are " in there "

or

> is it a seperate surgery? Any stories from experience would be

> appreciated.

>

> Thanks

>

[Guest guest]

I had septoplasty to correct my deviated nasal septum over 5 years

ago. After surgery my breathing improved. I did not feel any

obstructions anymore. However last summer the same symptoms begin

reapearing again. I started having the same difficulties again.

I did go to see two OS and ask them about the posibility of doing the

enlarging my maxilla because I did notice that it is too narrow but

they both said that there is no guarantee that will solve my

breathing problems. At best there is a 50 percent chance that it

will. Nevertheless, I am still contemplating oral surgery

My advice is to go see a OS and Otolaryngologist see what they have

to say.

> I've never thought about it until now, but then again, I never

> thought about jaw surgery or braces until every professional I went

> to told me I needed both or my teeth would fall out in 20 years - I

> may have a deviated septum that is affecting my breathing and my

> voice. Have any of you guys had this fixed with upper/lower

surgery?

> Do they usually fix this if it needs it while they are " in there "

or

> is it a seperate surgery? Any stories from experience would be

> appreciated.

>

> Thanks

>

[Guest guest]

my maxilla advancement widened my nares a bit and it improved my

breathing a little. it is caused by the nasal valves being held open

more. approximately 50% of nasal breathing problems that are not due

to allergies are due to nasal valve and other 50% due to enlarged

inferior turbinate. when one has a deviated septum the airflow path

changes and causes turbinate to enlarge in order to slow down air

flow

and create proper pressure. (turbinates serve to warm and humidify

air). when septoplasty corrects airflow turbinate remains enlarged.

Many good surgeons know this and address the turbinate at the same

time.(mine did not even though he admits mine is enlarged!) there are

many procedures to correct this from turbonectomy(removal), resection

(partial removal), rf oblation (shrinks tissue), and outfracture(

removes underlying bone allowing it to fall back) and cautery (burns

excess tissue.) there are many possible complications to these

procedures the worst of which ENS(empty nose syndrome) can be

debilitating. other side effects-dry nose, bleeding, crusting,

infection, or the smell of rotting flesh. while many people have

successful outcomes many don't. my OS recommended outfracture with

submucosal cautery which is the least invasive cuz it leaves surface

which has scilia on it intact however due to possible side effects i

decided to try less invasive consrvative approach first.

my recommendation is to have your ENT check you out and run a CT scan

of your head to determine source of obstuction. then procede slowly

cuz if you opt for surgery it is more or less irreversible.

for info:

http://www.entnet.org/healthinfo/sinus/sinus_reduction.cfm

http://www8.utsouthwestern.edu/utsw/cda/dept28171/files/133086.html

http://www.ent-consult.com/index.html

for horror stories:

http://members.boardhost.com/shouser144/index.html?1094572331

good luck!

eric

> > I've never thought about it until now, but then again, I never

> > thought about jaw surgery or braces until every professional I

went

> > to told me I needed both or my teeth would fall out in 20 years -

I

> > may have a deviated septum that is affecting my breathing and my

> > voice. Have any of you guys had this fixed with upper/lower

> surgery?

> > Do they usually fix this if it needs it while they are " in there "

> or

> > is it a seperate surgery? Any stories from experience would be

> > appreciated.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

[Guest guest]

my maxilla advancement widened my nares a bit and it improved my

breathing a little. it is caused by the nasal valves being held open

more. approximately 50% of nasal breathing problems that are not due

to allergies are due to nasal valve and other 50% due to enlarged

inferior turbinate. when one has a deviated septum the airflow path

changes and causes turbinate to enlarge in order to slow down air

flow

and create proper pressure. (turbinates serve to warm and humidify

air). when septoplasty corrects airflow turbinate remains enlarged.

Many good surgeons know this and address the turbinate at the same

time.(mine did not even though he admits mine is enlarged!) there are

many procedures to correct this from turbonectomy(removal), resection

(partial removal), rf oblation (shrinks tissue), and outfracture(

removes underlying bone allowing it to fall back) and cautery (burns

excess tissue.) there are many possible complications to these

procedures the worst of which ENS(empty nose syndrome) can be

debilitating. other side effects-dry nose, bleeding, crusting,

infection, or the smell of rotting flesh. while many people have

successful outcomes many don't. my OS recommended outfracture with

submucosal cautery which is the least invasive cuz it leaves surface

which has scilia on it intact however due to possible side effects i

decided to try less invasive consrvative approach first.

my recommendation is to have your ENT check you out and run a CT scan

of your head to determine source of obstuction. then procede slowly

cuz if you opt for surgery it is more or less irreversible.

for info:

http://www.entnet.org/healthinfo/sinus/sinus_reduction.cfm

http://www8.utsouthwestern.edu/utsw/cda/dept28171/files/133086.html

http://www.ent-consult.com/index.html

for horror stories:

http://members.boardhost.com/shouser144/index.html?1094572331

good luck!

eric

> > I've never thought about it until now, but then again, I never

> > thought about jaw surgery or braces until every professional I

went

> > to told me I needed both or my teeth would fall out in 20 years -

I

> > may have a deviated septum that is affecting my breathing and my

> > voice. Have any of you guys had this fixed with upper/lower

> surgery?

> > Do they usually fix this if it needs it while they are " in there "

> or

> > is it a seperate surgery? Any stories from experience would be

> > appreciated.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

[Guest guest]

Ewwww.

Either you're trained in some aspect of medicine/health care or

you've certainly done your homework! I can't follow all that lingo

any better than I can that of half our docs... But geez. I'm hoping

that all those nasty side-effects/possibilities are things that have

slim chance of happening, rather than usual experiences!

Cammie

> my maxilla advancement widened my nares a bit and it improved my

> breathing a little. it is caused by the nasal valves being held

open

> more. approximately 50% of nasal breathing problems that are not

due

> to allergies are due to nasal valve and other 50% due to enlarged

> inferior turbinate. when one has a deviated septum the airflow path

> changes and causes turbinate to enlarge in order to slow down air

> flow

> and create proper pressure. (turbinates serve to warm and humidify

> air). when septoplasty corrects airflow turbinate remains enlarged.

> Many good surgeons know this and address the turbinate at the same

> time.(mine did not even though he admits mine is enlarged!) there

are

> many procedures to correct this from turbonectomy(removal),

resection

> (partial removal), rf oblation (shrinks tissue), and outfracture(

> removes underlying bone allowing it to fall back) and cautery

(burns

> excess tissue.) there are many possible complications to these

> procedures the worst of which ENS(empty nose syndrome) can be

> debilitating. other side effects-dry nose, bleeding, crusting,

> infection, or the smell of rotting flesh. while many people have

> successful outcomes many don't. my OS recommended outfracture with

> submucosal cautery which is the least invasive cuz it leaves

surface

> which has scilia on it intact however due to possible side effects

i

> decided to try less invasive consrvative approach first.

> my recommendation is to have your ENT check you out and run a CT

scan

> of your head to determine source of obstuction. then procede slowly

> cuz if you opt for surgery it is more or less irreversible.

>

> for info:

> http://www.entnet.org/healthinfo/sinus/sinus_reduction.cfm

> http://www8.utsouthwestern.edu/utsw/cda/dept28171/files/133086.html

> http://www.ent-consult.com/index.html

>

> for horror stories:

> http://members.boardhost.com/shouser144/index.html?1094572331

>

> good luck!

> eric

[Guest guest]

Ewwww.

Either you're trained in some aspect of medicine/health care or

you've certainly done your homework! I can't follow all that lingo

any better than I can that of half our docs... But geez. I'm hoping

that all those nasty side-effects/possibilities are things that have

slim chance of happening, rather than usual experiences!

Cammie

> my maxilla advancement widened my nares a bit and it improved my

> breathing a little. it is caused by the nasal valves being held

open

> more. approximately 50% of nasal breathing problems that are not

due

> to allergies are due to nasal valve and other 50% due to enlarged

> inferior turbinate. when one has a deviated septum the airflow path

> changes and causes turbinate to enlarge in order to slow down air

> flow

> and create proper pressure. (turbinates serve to warm and humidify

> air). when septoplasty corrects airflow turbinate remains enlarged.

> Many good surgeons know this and address the turbinate at the same

> time.(mine did not even though he admits mine is enlarged!) there

are

> many procedures to correct this from turbonectomy(removal),

resection

> (partial removal), rf oblation (shrinks tissue), and outfracture(

> removes underlying bone allowing it to fall back) and cautery

(burns

> excess tissue.) there are many possible complications to these

> procedures the worst of which ENS(empty nose syndrome) can be

> debilitating. other side effects-dry nose, bleeding, crusting,

> infection, or the smell of rotting flesh. while many people have

> successful outcomes many don't. my OS recommended outfracture with

> submucosal cautery which is the least invasive cuz it leaves

surface

> which has scilia on it intact however due to possible side effects

i

> decided to try less invasive consrvative approach first.

> my recommendation is to have your ENT check you out and run a CT

scan

> of your head to determine source of obstuction. then procede slowly

> cuz if you opt for surgery it is more or less irreversible.

>

> for info:

> http://www.entnet.org/healthinfo/sinus/sinus_reduction.cfm

> http://www8.utsouthwestern.edu/utsw/cda/dept28171/files/133086.html

> http://www.ent-consult.com/index.html

>

> for horror stories:

> http://members.boardhost.com/shouser144/index.html?1094572331

>

> good luck!

> eric

[Guest guest]

yea, ain't the web great! A little homework is a good thing! sometimes

a lot is not! I talked myself out of having my turbinate worked on at

the same time as my upper jaw next week. I think I would be better off

getting through the current problems before adding to them with

further procedures. I've heard of good results and bad it's just that

the bad seemed soooo bad that i'm gonna try everything else first.

eric

> > my maxilla advancement widened my nares a bit and it improved my

> > breathing a little. it is caused by the nasal valves being held

> open

> > more. approximately 50% of nasal breathing problems that are not

> due

> > to allergies are due to nasal valve and other 50% due to enlarged

> > inferior turbinate. when one has a deviated septum the airflow

path

> > changes and causes turbinate to enlarge in order to slow down air

> > flow

> > and create proper pressure. (turbinates serve to warm and humidify

> > air). when septoplasty corrects airflow turbinate remains

enlarged.

> > Many good surgeons know this and address the turbinate at the same

> > time.(mine did not even though he admits mine is enlarged!) there

> are

> > many procedures to correct this from turbonectomy(removal),

> resection

> > (partial removal), rf oblation (shrinks tissue), and outfracture(

> > removes underlying bone allowing it to fall back) and cautery

> (burns

> > excess tissue.) there are many possible complications to these

> > procedures the worst of which ENS(empty nose syndrome) can be

> > debilitating. other side effects-dry nose, bleeding, crusting,

> > infection, or the smell of rotting flesh. while many people have

> > successful outcomes many don't. my OS recommended outfracture with

> > submucosal cautery which is the least invasive cuz it leaves

> surface

> > which has scilia on it intact however due to possible side effects

> i

> > decided to try less invasive consrvative approach first.

> > my recommendation is to have your ENT check you out and run a CT

> scan

> > of your head to determine source of obstuction. then procede

slowly

> > cuz if you opt for surgery it is more or less irreversible.

> >

> > for info:

> > http://www.entnet.org/healthinfo/sinus/sinus_reduction.cfm

> > http://www8.utsouthwestern.edu/utsw/cda/dept28171/files/133086.

html

> > http://www.ent-consult.com/index.html

> >

> > for horror stories:

> > http://members.boardhost.com/shouser144/index.html?1094572331

> >

> > good luck!

> > eric

[Guest guest]

yea, ain't the web great! A little homework is a good thing! sometimes

a lot is not! I talked myself out of having my turbinate worked on at

the same time as my upper jaw next week. I think I would be better off

getting through the current problems before adding to them with

further procedures. I've heard of good results and bad it's just that

the bad seemed soooo bad that i'm gonna try everything else first.

eric

> > my maxilla advancement widened my nares a bit and it improved my

> > breathing a little. it is caused by the nasal valves being held

> open

> > more. approximately 50% of nasal breathing problems that are not

> due

> > to allergies are due to nasal valve and other 50% due to enlarged

> > inferior turbinate. when one has a deviated septum the airflow

path

> > changes and causes turbinate to enlarge in order to slow down air

> > flow

> > and create proper pressure. (turbinates serve to warm and humidify

> > air). when septoplasty corrects airflow turbinate remains

enlarged.

> > Many good surgeons know this and address the turbinate at the same

> > time.(mine did not even though he admits mine is enlarged!) there

> are

> > many procedures to correct this from turbonectomy(removal),

> resection

> > (partial removal), rf oblation (shrinks tissue), and outfracture(

> > removes underlying bone allowing it to fall back) and cautery

> (burns

> > excess tissue.) there are many possible complications to these

> > procedures the worst of which ENS(empty nose syndrome) can be

> > debilitating. other side effects-dry nose, bleeding, crusting,

> > infection, or the smell of rotting flesh. while many people have

> > successful outcomes many don't. my OS recommended outfracture with

> > submucosal cautery which is the least invasive cuz it leaves

> surface

> > which has scilia on it intact however due to possible side effects

> i

> > decided to try less invasive consrvative approach first.

> > my recommendation is to have your ENT check you out and run a CT

> scan

> > of your head to determine source of obstuction. then procede

slowly

> > cuz if you opt for surgery it is more or less irreversible.

> >

> > for info:

> > http://www.entnet.org/healthinfo/sinus/sinus_reduction.cfm

> > http://www8.utsouthwestern.edu/utsw/cda/dept28171/files/133086.

html

> > http://www.ent-consult.com/index.html

> >

> > for horror stories:

> > http://members.boardhost.com/shouser144/index.html?1094572331

> >

> > good luck!

> > eric

[Guest guest]

You know your own mind, and I respect the decision you made.

I can tell you that one of my all-time favorite members on this site,

Cyn, had a pretty extensive overbite. She had upper and lower, and

while they were in there, they cleaned out her turbinate(s? are there

more than one? I thought she spoke of plurals, but you seem to speak

of one) and she was amazed to find that when she awakened, despite

having had extensive work on the upper jaw, she could breathe through

her nose for the first time in her life.

Far as I know, she had none of the unpleasant side stuff -- but then

we all know that with this stuff, you pays your money (either to the

surgeon or the insurance company) and you takes your chances.

Cammie

> yea, ain't the web great! A little homework is a good thing!

sometimes

> a lot is not! I talked myself out of having my turbinate worked on

at

> the same time as my upper jaw next week. I think I would be better

off

> getting through the current problems before adding to them with

> further procedures. I've heard of good results and bad it's just

that

> the bad seemed soooo bad that i'm gonna try everything else

first.

> eric

>

[Guest guest]

You know your own mind, and I respect the decision you made.

I can tell you that one of my all-time favorite members on this site,

Cyn, had a pretty extensive overbite. She had upper and lower, and

while they were in there, they cleaned out her turbinate(s? are there

more than one? I thought she spoke of plurals, but you seem to speak

of one) and she was amazed to find that when she awakened, despite

having had extensive work on the upper jaw, she could breathe through

her nose for the first time in her life.

Far as I know, she had none of the unpleasant side stuff -- but then

we all know that with this stuff, you pays your money (either to the

surgeon or the insurance company) and you takes your chances.

Cammie

> yea, ain't the web great! A little homework is a good thing!

sometimes

> a lot is not! I talked myself out of having my turbinate worked on

at

> the same time as my upper jaw next week. I think I would be better

off

> getting through the current problems before adding to them with

> further procedures. I've heard of good results and bad it's just

that

> the bad seemed soooo bad that i'm gonna try everything else

first.

> eric

>

[Guest guest]

yeah, there are 3 of them. each one going further into the sinus

cavity. removal(turbinectomy) used to be common but they have gone

away from it of late as the functioning of them is more important. I

don't know what you mean by cleaned out but removal of part or all at

the least requires constant irrigation to add moisture with a saline

solution and incresed subjection to viruses as the scilia that remove

the germs are gone too. since my nose was broken as a kid i've always

been a mouth breather so a little longer to ensure it's the only cure

is warranted in my case. eric

> > yea, ain't the web great! A little homework is a good thing!

> sometimes

> > a lot is not! I talked myself out of having my turbinate worked on

> at

> > the same time as my upper jaw next week. I think I would be better

> off

> > getting through the current problems before adding to them with

> > further procedures. I've heard of good results and bad it's just

> that

> > the bad seemed soooo bad that i'm gonna try everything else

> first.

> > eric

> >

[Guest guest]

yeah, there are 3 of them. each one going further into the sinus

cavity. removal(turbinectomy) used to be common but they have gone

away from it of late as the functioning of them is more important. I

don't know what you mean by cleaned out but removal of part or all at

the least requires constant irrigation to add moisture with a saline

solution and incresed subjection to viruses as the scilia that remove

the germs are gone too. since my nose was broken as a kid i've always

been a mouth breather so a little longer to ensure it's the only cure

is warranted in my case. eric

> > yea, ain't the web great! A little homework is a good thing!

> sometimes

> > a lot is not! I talked myself out of having my turbinate worked on

> at

> > the same time as my upper jaw next week. I think I would be better

> off

> > getting through the current problems before adding to them with

> > further procedures. I've heard of good results and bad it's just

> that

> > the bad seemed soooo bad that i'm gonna try everything else

> first.

> > eric

> >

[Guest guest]

" cleaned out. " :

I have the impression that there was extra bone, or other gunk, in

her turbinates, and that the surgeon left them there, but eliminated

extra tissue, bone, whatever. Hey -- I'm not as good at this stuff as

you are!

I know two friends who had sinus troubles (not necessarily anything

to do with turbinates) -- one had polyps the size of grapes removed,

and she was a young kid, not yet at college. The other was older

(believe it or not, !) than am I, and the docs found a plug of

mold growing in there. (Sorry. I know that's nasty. But for whatever

it's worth in putting your mind at ease, we -- that is, my friend the

surgical patient and I -- both live in the mold and spore capital of

the universe. I actually know of one doc who works on fungus who left

Harvard to move here and study fungal yuck. Not a particularly happy

thought.)

C.

And I can't resist being smart-alecky enough to ask whether you don't

mean " cilia " rather than scilia... or maybe cillia? (Can't remember,

even when I'm being pedantic.) ... the little hairlike thingies that

help move gunk along and get rid of it.

Ok. Tell me I'm out in left field and just struck out.... Which is

probably as badly off as my query -- I reckon you can't strike out if

you're in left field. Sigh...

C.

> yeah, there are 3 of them. each one going further into the sinus

> cavity. removal(turbinectomy) used to be common but they have gone

> away from it of late as the functioning of them is more important.

I

> don't know what you mean by cleaned out but removal of part or all

at

> the least requires constant irrigation to add moisture with a

saline

> solution and incresed subjection to viruses as the scilia that

remove

> the germs are gone too. since my nose was broken as a kid i've

always

> been a mouth breather so a little longer to ensure it's the only

cure

> is warranted in my case. eric

[Guest guest]

" cleaned out. " :

I have the impression that there was extra bone, or other gunk, in

her turbinates, and that the surgeon left them there, but eliminated

extra tissue, bone, whatever. Hey -- I'm not as good at this stuff as

you are!

I know two friends who had sinus troubles (not necessarily anything

to do with turbinates) -- one had polyps the size of grapes removed,

and she was a young kid, not yet at college. The other was older

(believe it or not, !) than am I, and the docs found a plug of

mold growing in there. (Sorry. I know that's nasty. But for whatever

it's worth in putting your mind at ease, we -- that is, my friend the

surgical patient and I -- both live in the mold and spore capital of

the universe. I actually know of one doc who works on fungus who left

Harvard to move here and study fungal yuck. Not a particularly happy

thought.)

C.

And I can't resist being smart-alecky enough to ask whether you don't

mean " cilia " rather than scilia... or maybe cillia? (Can't remember,

even when I'm being pedantic.) ... the little hairlike thingies that

help move gunk along and get rid of it.

Ok. Tell me I'm out in left field and just struck out.... Which is

probably as badly off as my query -- I reckon you can't strike out if

you're in left field. Sigh...

C.

> yeah, there are 3 of them. each one going further into the sinus

> cavity. removal(turbinectomy) used to be common but they have gone

> away from it of late as the functioning of them is more important.

I

> don't know what you mean by cleaned out but removal of part or all

at

> the least requires constant irrigation to add moisture with a

saline

> solution and incresed subjection to viruses as the scilia that

remove

> the germs are gone too. since my nose was broken as a kid i've

always

> been a mouth breather so a little longer to ensure it's the only

cure

> is warranted in my case. eric

[Guest guest]

when you say the mold capital are you talking about florida? we're not

much better off here in portland with all the rain. they can build

houses up here with the mold already in them ready for you when you

move in! I developed mold within 6 months of moving in in my bathroom

but was able to stop it before it grew.

I stand corrected on the cilia thing. As far as being pedantic I blame

it on ma for making me like to read when i was a kid! no you didn't

strike out you just out pedanticized the pedantic!lol

-- In orthognathicsurgerysupport , ceast36532

<no_reply@y...> wrote:

> " cleaned out. " :

>

> I have the impression that there was extra bone, or other gunk, in

> her turbinates, and that the surgeon left them there, but eliminated

> extra tissue, bone, whatever. Hey -- I'm not as good at this stuff

as

> you are!

>

> I know two friends who had sinus troubles (not necessarily anything

> to do with turbinates) -- one had polyps the size of grapes removed,

> and she was a young kid, not yet at college. The other was older

> (believe it or not, !) than am I, and the docs found a plug of

> mold growing in there. (Sorry. I know that's nasty. But for whatever

> it's worth in putting your mind at ease, we -- that is, my friend

the

> surgical patient and I -- both live in the mold and spore capital of

> the universe. I actually know of one doc who works on fungus who

left

> Harvard to move here and study fungal yuck. Not a particularly happy

> thought.)

>

> C.

>

>

> And I can't resist being smart-alecky enough to ask whether you

don't

> mean " cilia " rather than scilia... or maybe cillia? (Can't remember,

> even when I'm being pedantic.) ... the little hairlike thingies that

> help move gunk along and get rid of it.

>

> Ok. Tell me I'm out in left field and just struck out.... Which is

> probably as badly off as my query -- I reckon you can't strike out

if

> you're in left field. Sigh...

>

> C.

>

>

> > yeah, there are 3 of them. each one going further into the sinus

> > cavity. removal(turbinectomy) used to be common but they have gone

> > away from it of late as the functioning of them is more important.

> I

> > don't know what you mean by cleaned out but removal of part or all

> at

> > the least requires constant irrigation to add moisture with a

> saline

> > solution and incresed subjection to viruses as the scilia that

> remove

> > the germs are gone too. since my nose was broken as a kid i've

> always

> > been a mouth breather so a little longer to ensure it's the only

> cure

> > is warranted in my case. eric

[Guest guest]

when you say the mold capital are you talking about florida? we're not

much better off here in portland with all the rain. they can build

houses up here with the mold already in them ready for you when you

move in! I developed mold within 6 months of moving in in my bathroom

but was able to stop it before it grew.

I stand corrected on the cilia thing. As far as being pedantic I blame

it on ma for making me like to read when i was a kid! no you didn't

strike out you just out pedanticized the pedantic!lol

-- In orthognathicsurgerysupport , ceast36532

<no_reply@y...> wrote:

> " cleaned out. " :

>

> I have the impression that there was extra bone, or other gunk, in

> her turbinates, and that the surgeon left them there, but eliminated

> extra tissue, bone, whatever. Hey -- I'm not as good at this stuff

as

> you are!

>

> I know two friends who had sinus troubles (not necessarily anything

> to do with turbinates) -- one had polyps the size of grapes removed,

> and she was a young kid, not yet at college. The other was older

> (believe it or not, !) than am I, and the docs found a plug of

> mold growing in there. (Sorry. I know that's nasty. But for whatever

> it's worth in putting your mind at ease, we -- that is, my friend

the

> surgical patient and I -- both live in the mold and spore capital of

> the universe. I actually know of one doc who works on fungus who

left

> Harvard to move here and study fungal yuck. Not a particularly happy

> thought.)

>

> C.

>

>

> And I can't resist being smart-alecky enough to ask whether you

don't

> mean " cilia " rather than scilia... or maybe cillia? (Can't remember,

> even when I'm being pedantic.) ... the little hairlike thingies that

> help move gunk along and get rid of it.

>

> Ok. Tell me I'm out in left field and just struck out.... Which is

> probably as badly off as my query -- I reckon you can't strike out

if

> you're in left field. Sigh...

>

> C.

>

>

> > yeah, there are 3 of them. each one going further into the sinus

> > cavity. removal(turbinectomy) used to be common but they have gone

> > away from it of late as the functioning of them is more important.

> I

> > don't know what you mean by cleaned out but removal of part or all

> at

> > the least requires constant irrigation to add moisture with a

> saline

> > solution and incresed subjection to viruses as the scilia that

> remove

> > the germs are gone too. since my nose was broken as a kid i've

> always

> > been a mouth breather so a little longer to ensure it's the only

> cure

> > is warranted in my case. eric

[Guest guest]

Florida? Nope. Coastal Alabama, of which there isn't much. We usually

just slightly outstrip you for the most rain in the continental U.S.

We not only get the rainfall (and I hope and pray not a hurricane!

Ivan is lurking at the moment) but we have the kind of warm humidity

in which spores flourish. You do at least get some pretty consistent

winter cold, don't you?

Only thing I know that kills it effectively is Clorox bleach, but I'm

not about to go snorting that!

I grew up as the child of two booksellers, so I reckon I come by my

pedantry normally...

Cammie

> > > yeah, there are 3 of them. each one going further into the

sinus

> > > cavity. removal(turbinectomy) used to be common but they have

gone

> > > away from it of late as the functioning of them is more

important.

> > I

> > > don't know what you mean by cleaned out but removal of part or

all

> > at

> > > the least requires constant irrigation to add moisture with a

> > saline

> > > solution and incresed subjection to viruses as the scilia that

> > remove

> > > the germs are gone too. since my nose was broken as a kid i've

> > always

> > > been a mouth breather so a little longer to ensure it's the

only

> > cure

> > > is warranted in my case. eric

[Guest guest]

Florida? Nope. Coastal Alabama, of which there isn't much. We usually

just slightly outstrip you for the most rain in the continental U.S.

We not only get the rainfall (and I hope and pray not a hurricane!

Ivan is lurking at the moment) but we have the kind of warm humidity

in which spores flourish. You do at least get some pretty consistent

winter cold, don't you?

Only thing I know that kills it effectively is Clorox bleach, but I'm

not about to go snorting that!

I grew up as the child of two booksellers, so I reckon I come by my

pedantry normally...

Cammie

> > > yeah, there are 3 of them. each one going further into the

sinus

> > > cavity. removal(turbinectomy) used to be common but they have

gone

> > > away from it of late as the functioning of them is more

important.

> > I

> > > don't know what you mean by cleaned out but removal of part or

all

> > at

> > > the least requires constant irrigation to add moisture with a

> > saline

> > > solution and incresed subjection to viruses as the scilia that

> > remove

> > > the germs are gone too. since my nose was broken as a kid i've

> > always

> > > been a mouth breather so a little longer to ensure it's the

only

> > cure

> > > is warranted in my case. eric

[Guest guest]

yeah, we average around 45 inches a year! only gets below freezing a

couple of times a year and not by much. problem is I keep my mold

heated and it just loves it at 70 degrees! bleach and latex paint did

the job for me and so far it hasn't returned.

I should be getting my jaw reworked about the time ivan hits so maybe

we can swap some prayers! as far as snorting clorox i'm pretty sure

some of the desperate souls on the nose board have given it some

serious thought but for me i'm a lightweight and i hear it'll curl

your nose hairs! eric

> > > > yeah, there are 3 of them. each one going further into the

> sinus

> > > > cavity. removal(turbinectomy) used to be common but they have

> gone

> > > > away from it of late as the functioning of them is more

> important.

> > > I

> > > > don't know what you mean by cleaned out but removal of part or

> all

> > > at

> > > > the least requires constant irrigation to add moisture with a

> > > saline

> > > > solution and incresed subjection to viruses as the scilia that

> > > remove

> > > > the germs are gone too. since my nose was broken as a kid i've

> > > always

> > > > been a mouth breather so a little longer to ensure it's the

> only

> > > cure

> > > > is warranted in my case. eric

[Guest guest]

yeah, we average around 45 inches a year! only gets below freezing a

couple of times a year and not by much. problem is I keep my mold

heated and it just loves it at 70 degrees! bleach and latex paint did

the job for me and so far it hasn't returned.

I should be getting my jaw reworked about the time ivan hits so maybe

we can swap some prayers! as far as snorting clorox i'm pretty sure

some of the desperate souls on the nose board have given it some

serious thought but for me i'm a lightweight and i hear it'll curl

your nose hairs! eric

> > > > yeah, there are 3 of them. each one going further into the

> sinus

> > > > cavity. removal(turbinectomy) used to be common but they have

> gone

> > > > away from it of late as the functioning of them is more

> important.

> > > I

> > > > don't know what you mean by cleaned out but removal of part or

> all

> > > at

> > > > the least requires constant irrigation to add moisture with a

> > > saline

> > > > solution and incresed subjection to viruses as the scilia that

> > > remove

> > > > the germs are gone too. since my nose was broken as a kid i've

> > > always

> > > > been a mouth breather so a little longer to ensure it's the

> only

> > > cure

> > > > is warranted in my case. eric

[Guest guest]

IF you mean you smell mold a lot, I would recommend an

ear/nose/throat dr asap...but as to the home...that's serious!

You may need an expert to come in and tackle that...my last rental

was beautiful to look at, we walked thru when there was still 2ft of

snow outside...so somethings were obviously hidden, and they had just

done some painting inside, so just paint smells were evident.

HOWEVER, the home was infeseted with MOLD...as the snow melted, and

things got wetter as we went into last spring 03 in NY which on Long

Island was about as wet as we've seen...it just kept getting worse,

the wood floors were popping out spots, big large gray and black

spots, furry even, the basement, always wet, the walls,

speckled...and the homeowner, couldn't care OF COURSE. )found out

later he was a slumlord that only rented to welfare pep aside from

us, and mind you, I don't feel in any way if pep need help thru

welfare that they should live in unhealthy conditions, but he was

more than used to taking advantage of pep and thinking

he " could " )...so we fought him every step...he denied it was there,

my pics say otherwise for sure...and in the end we had to take a BIG

chance and break the lease...he went after us for the contract...but

once we noted having an attny, oh! POOF! he stepped back and found a

poor fool to step in and left us alone.

Yes I went on there, but it's so critical to not live like that...my

mother-in-law to be, smokes-wuite a bit, doesn't have the best smell

sense-but about this time, she came over and as she approached the

house, said oh my started coughing and said that mold is

horrible...she didn't even know at that time what was up and me, I

have asthma, mold is one trigger for me, and the last 2 wks there, I

went from maintance meds to using a rescue inhailer often to using

the nebulizer (that they have in hosp) 2-3x per day...my dr wanted to

admit me...and I really didn't want to, I was trying to pack up to

get out! well thankfully as I noted, we did...I was in the new place

2 days and was back to normal -almost...

BE CAREFUL...and take action...it's not healthy to live like that.

and You owe it to yourself to do what is best for you!

good luck jo

> > > > > yeah, there are 3 of them. each one going further into the

> > sinus

> > > > > cavity. removal(turbinectomy) used to be common but they

have

> > gone

> > > > > away from it of late as the functioning of them is more

> > important.

> > > > I

> > > > > don't know what you mean by cleaned out but removal of part

or

> > all

> > > > at

> > > > > the least requires constant irrigation to add moisture with

a

> > > > saline

> > > > > solution and incresed subjection to viruses as the scilia

that

> > > > remove

> > > > > the germs are gone too. since my nose was broken as a kid

i've

> > > > always

> > > > > been a mouth breather so a little longer to ensure it's the

> > only

> > > > cure

> > > > > is warranted in my case. eric

[Guest guest]

IF you mean you smell mold a lot, I would recommend an

ear/nose/throat dr asap...but as to the home...that's serious!

You may need an expert to come in and tackle that...my last rental

was beautiful to look at, we walked thru when there was still 2ft of

snow outside...so somethings were obviously hidden, and they had just

done some painting inside, so just paint smells were evident.

HOWEVER, the home was infeseted with MOLD...as the snow melted, and

things got wetter as we went into last spring 03 in NY which on Long

Island was about as wet as we've seen...it just kept getting worse,

the wood floors were popping out spots, big large gray and black

spots, furry even, the basement, always wet, the walls,

speckled...and the homeowner, couldn't care OF COURSE. )found out

later he was a slumlord that only rented to welfare pep aside from

us, and mind you, I don't feel in any way if pep need help thru

welfare that they should live in unhealthy conditions, but he was

more than used to taking advantage of pep and thinking

he " could " )...so we fought him every step...he denied it was there,

my pics say otherwise for sure...and in the end we had to take a BIG

chance and break the lease...he went after us for the contract...but

once we noted having an attny, oh! POOF! he stepped back and found a

poor fool to step in and left us alone.

Yes I went on there, but it's so critical to not live like that...my

mother-in-law to be, smokes-wuite a bit, doesn't have the best smell

sense-but about this time, she came over and as she approached the

house, said oh my started coughing and said that mold is

horrible...she didn't even know at that time what was up and me, I

have asthma, mold is one trigger for me, and the last 2 wks there, I

went from maintance meds to using a rescue inhailer often to using

the nebulizer (that they have in hosp) 2-3x per day...my dr wanted to

admit me...and I really didn't want to, I was trying to pack up to

get out! well thankfully as I noted, we did...I was in the new place

2 days and was back to normal -almost...

BE CAREFUL...and take action...it's not healthy to live like that.

and You owe it to yourself to do what is best for you!

good luck jo

> > > > > yeah, there are 3 of them. each one going further into the

> > sinus

> > > > > cavity. removal(turbinectomy) used to be common but they

have

> > gone

> > > > > away from it of late as the functioning of them is more

> > important.

> > > > I

> > > > > don't know what you mean by cleaned out but removal of part

or

> > all

> > > > at

> > > > > the least requires constant irrigation to add moisture with

a

> > > > saline

> > > > > solution and incresed subjection to viruses as the scilia

that

> > > > remove

> > > > > the germs are gone too. since my nose was broken as a kid

i've

> > > > always

> > > > > been a mouth breather so a little longer to ensure it's the

> > only

> > > > cure

> > > > > is warranted in my case. eric

[Guest guest]

Heya ! I have a deviated septum too. I had a camera inserted

into my nose which was an odd experience but kinda cool. I'm in

line for orthognathic surgery as well as a septoplasty. My OS told

me to go ahead with my septoplasty first. I guess it's because if

I'm wired shut and I have a hard time breathing through my nose, I'm

going to be in big trouble . I don't know if they ever do it

simultaneously with orthognathic surgery but I'm having mine fixed

before hand. Hope this helps! See an ENT!

> I've never thought about it until now, but then again, I never

> thought about jaw surgery or braces until every professional I

went

> to told me I needed both or my teeth would fall out in 20 years -

I

> may have a deviated septum that is affecting my breathing and my

> voice. Have any of you guys had this fixed with upper/lower

surgery?

> Do they usually fix this if it needs it while they are " in there "

or

> is it a seperate surgery? Any stories from experience would be

> appreciated.

>

> Thanks

>

[Guest guest]

Heya ! I have a deviated septum too. I had a camera inserted

into my nose which was an odd experience but kinda cool. I'm in

line for orthognathic surgery as well as a septoplasty. My OS told

me to go ahead with my septoplasty first. I guess it's because if

I'm wired shut and I have a hard time breathing through my nose, I'm

going to be in big trouble . I don't know if they ever do it

simultaneously with orthognathic surgery but I'm having mine fixed

before hand. Hope this helps! See an ENT!

> I've never thought about it until now, but then again, I never

> thought about jaw surgery or braces until every professional I

went

> to told me I needed both or my teeth would fall out in 20 years -

I

> may have a deviated septum that is affecting my breathing and my

> voice. Have any of you guys had this fixed with upper/lower

surgery?

> Do they usually fix this if it needs it while they are " in there "

or

> is it a seperate surgery? Any stories from experience would be

> appreciated.

>

> Thanks

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I had a septoplasty done the same time as my upper, lower, genio

surgery. I ultimately had to have 2 upper/lower surgeries, the

first one with the septoplasty, the second without the septoplasty,

and I have to tell you that the healing was very similar in terms of

nasal discomfort, etc. Since I can compare between an uppper

surgery with septoplasty vs. upper without, I can confidently say

that having the septoplasty at the same time was no big deal for

me. Doesn't mean that healing was easy. Like someone else posted,

I had the same mucus situation ... not allowed to blow my nose for 6

weeks but couldn't get the courage or desire to flush it " down " .

I'm not a spitter, so that wasn't an option for me, so you can

imagine the challenge. But again, I had this situation after both

surgeries so it's most likely not related to the septoplasty.

The best remedy I could come up with for the mucus situation was

drinking tons of fluids. Tons of liquids helped break the mucus

down, especially hot (very warm) ones like tea. And I simply lived

off of the Ocean Nasal Saline spray, which also aided in washing the

stuff down. Sounds pretty, huh? And all of this this mucus problem

did not last until I could blow my nose at 6 weeks. The mucus will

indeed dissipate well before then and I think once I hit the Week 3

mark, things got easier. Oh, also made sure I took my Sudafed

around the clock as prescribed. That helped keep my nasal passages

open and clear and made it much easier to breathe around any mucus

that wanted to hang around.

Good luck to you!

Irish!

> I've never thought about it until now, but then again, I never

> thought about jaw surgery or braces until every professional I

went

> to told me I needed both or my teeth would fall out in 20 years -

I

> may have a deviated septum that is affecting my breathing and my

> voice. Have any of you guys had this fixed with upper/lower

surgery?

> Do they usually fix this if it needs it while they are " in there "

or

> is it a seperate surgery? Any stories from experience would be

> appreciated.

>

> Thanks

>