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--Hi again cammie,

I just found the other post from you so thought i would reply.

college is great thanks!!! i start back in two weeks and cannot

wait, just going to throw myself at it! Erm we didnt do the orthos

office in the end, i think it was meant to be for the second year.

However i have chose specialist textiels instead of design this eyar

so i wont be designing unfortunatley. However i did design a

photshop project about this site - it was a project about a personal

journey, so i decided to do mine. I turned some heads doing it

aswell and made alot of new friends. they were all so interested in

hearing about the surgery and the site and everything. were all

famous now hehe. I included messages from you guys in the work,

also my surgical wires and hooks lol. Peoples faces were a sight

for sore eyes. If i can i will try and post them, im not sure how

it will work unless i crate another link, as they are on a disk,

like a slide show....????

Your guys office sounds grand!! Is that the consulting room aswell?

Last time i went the waiting room had had a face lift with an added

coffee machine. My orthos office has one of the dentist chair

thingies and then just two chairs by the window. Its weird as the

offices are built inside a porta cabbin. there is a view of the

railway line, thats about as glam as it gets im afraid. Aww but

theres wee pictures around the room and on that lamp above your

head, from little children, sweetness!!

Kind regards,

Kat_UK

> Hellow, Kat!

>

> Good to see you back!

>

> How are things with you? School goes well, I trust.

>

> Did you do the design project for an ortho office? Any chance of

your

> posting that here? My guy has a swell one, with six chairs, sorta

in

> a circle, each one with a view of the woods outside...

>

> Best,

>

> Cammie

>

>

> > -HELLO Sue, and welcome to the group. Another fellow UK

memeber....

> > My names Kat and im also from the UK, in yorkshire. I dont

really

> > get on these boards as much as i would like, but i agree there

> great

> > and suipportive too. Im not really sure how to

describe 'severe'

> > however im sure one of the more experienced should i say

memebers

> on

> > the board will be able to help you there, as im afraid im still

> > getting ussed to the terminology myself.

> >

> > I actually had a class III underbite, ive always assumed that

the

> > different classes explains the degree of your condition. the

> higher

> > the number being most severe, i think?? lol....

> >

> > I hope this is of any help and you find your answers on this

site,

> > good luck.

> >

> > Kind regards

> >

> > Kat_UK

> >

> >

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--Hi again cammie,

I just found the other post from you so thought i would reply.

college is great thanks!!! i start back in two weeks and cannot

wait, just going to throw myself at it! Erm we didnt do the orthos

office in the end, i think it was meant to be for the second year.

However i have chose specialist textiels instead of design this eyar

so i wont be designing unfortunatley. However i did design a

photshop project about this site - it was a project about a personal

journey, so i decided to do mine. I turned some heads doing it

aswell and made alot of new friends. they were all so interested in

hearing about the surgery and the site and everything. were all

famous now hehe. I included messages from you guys in the work,

also my surgical wires and hooks lol. Peoples faces were a sight

for sore eyes. If i can i will try and post them, im not sure how

it will work unless i crate another link, as they are on a disk,

like a slide show....????

Your guys office sounds grand!! Is that the consulting room aswell?

Last time i went the waiting room had had a face lift with an added

coffee machine. My orthos office has one of the dentist chair

thingies and then just two chairs by the window. Its weird as the

offices are built inside a porta cabbin. there is a view of the

railway line, thats about as glam as it gets im afraid. Aww but

theres wee pictures around the room and on that lamp above your

head, from little children, sweetness!!

Kind regards,

Kat_UK

> Hellow, Kat!

>

> Good to see you back!

>

> How are things with you? School goes well, I trust.

>

> Did you do the design project for an ortho office? Any chance of

your

> posting that here? My guy has a swell one, with six chairs, sorta

in

> a circle, each one with a view of the woods outside...

>

> Best,

>

> Cammie

>

>

> > -HELLO Sue, and welcome to the group. Another fellow UK

memeber....

> > My names Kat and im also from the UK, in yorkshire. I dont

really

> > get on these boards as much as i would like, but i agree there

> great

> > and suipportive too. Im not really sure how to

describe 'severe'

> > however im sure one of the more experienced should i say

memebers

> on

> > the board will be able to help you there, as im afraid im still

> > getting ussed to the terminology myself.

> >

> > I actually had a class III underbite, ive always assumed that

the

> > different classes explains the degree of your condition. the

> higher

> > the number being most severe, i think?? lol....

> >

> > I hope this is of any help and you find your answers on this

site,

> > good luck.

> >

> > Kind regards

> >

> > Kat_UK

> >

> >

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That's my ortho's office that's so fancy. My surgeon has a typical

doctor's office.

And nope, my ortho has separate little rooms for consults, mold-

making, x-rays and the like. His waiting room actually has two video

games, but I never got very far with them -- I asked it to give me a

Porsche and instead it handed me a Hummer. And there was never an 8-

year-old available enough to show me how to work it!

At least he has it if Hurricane Ivan doesn't blow it away. The thing

is headed smack for us, Wednesday night. So any aversive thoughts any

of you might wish to contribute will certainly be welcome!

Cammie

> > > -HELLO Sue, and welcome to the group. Another fellow UK

> memeber....

> > > My names Kat and im also from the UK, in yorkshire. I dont

> really

> > > get on these boards as much as i would like, but i agree there

> > great

> > > and suipportive too. Im not really sure how to

> describe 'severe'

> > > however im sure one of the more experienced should i say

> memebers

> > on

> > > the board will be able to help you there, as im afraid im still

> > > getting ussed to the terminology myself.

> > >

> > > I actually had a class III underbite, ive always assumed that

> the

> > > different classes explains the degree of your condition. the

> > higher

> > > the number being most severe, i think?? lol....

> > >

> > > I hope this is of any help and you find your answers on this

> site,

> > > good luck.

> > >

> > > Kind regards

> > >

> > > Kat_UK

> > >

> > >

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That's my ortho's office that's so fancy. My surgeon has a typical

doctor's office.

And nope, my ortho has separate little rooms for consults, mold-

making, x-rays and the like. His waiting room actually has two video

games, but I never got very far with them -- I asked it to give me a

Porsche and instead it handed me a Hummer. And there was never an 8-

year-old available enough to show me how to work it!

At least he has it if Hurricane Ivan doesn't blow it away. The thing

is headed smack for us, Wednesday night. So any aversive thoughts any

of you might wish to contribute will certainly be welcome!

Cammie

> > > -HELLO Sue, and welcome to the group. Another fellow UK

> memeber....

> > > My names Kat and im also from the UK, in yorkshire. I dont

> really

> > > get on these boards as much as i would like, but i agree there

> > great

> > > and suipportive too. Im not really sure how to

> describe 'severe'

> > > however im sure one of the more experienced should i say

> memebers

> > on

> > > the board will be able to help you there, as im afraid im still

> > > getting ussed to the terminology myself.

> > >

> > > I actually had a class III underbite, ive always assumed that

> the

> > > different classes explains the degree of your condition. the

> > higher

> > > the number being most severe, i think?? lol....

> > >

> > > I hope this is of any help and you find your answers on this

> site,

> > > good luck.

> > >

> > > Kind regards

> > >

> > > Kat_UK

> > >

> > >

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Hi Cammie:

I was wondering if you could forward me, to my e-mail, the surgeon's

contact info who responded regarding the voice after surgery.

My upper was advanced 3mm which I know doesn't seem like much, but I

perceive my voice as much more nasally. Others don't claim to notice

much, but to me it seems many of my words get muffled-up within my

nose. It's a very bothersome feeling, so I am trying to find some

experts in this area for advice. I'm not a singer, but am in sales

and on the phone a lot.

BTW, does the change in your friends voice bother her in any way?

Many, Many Thanks

Mark

> >

> > , et als --

> >

> > I still refuse to believe that there isn't an expert out there

who

> > can help with this question. So, I finally had an idea. I e-

mailed

> > the AAOMS with it, and got this nice reply today:

> >

> > Good Day!

> >

> >

> >

> > I shared your e-mail with colleagues here at AAOMS headquarters.

> > They will contact some of our members to help you out. You will

> hear

> > back from someone within a few days. Should that not happen,

> please

> > let me know.

> >

> >

> >

> > I wish you the very best.

> >

> >

> >

> > Cordially,

> >

> >

> >

> > Marquita Hynes

> >

> > Senior Communications Associate

> >

> > American Association of Oral and Maxillofacial Surgeons

> >

> > 9700 West Bryn Mawr Avenue

> >

> > Rosemont, Illinois 60018-5701

> >

> > www.aaoms.org

> >

> > , ext. 4317 fax:

> >

> > mhynes@a...

> >

> > My post to her:

> >

> >

> > From: Cammie

> >

> > Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 8:29 PM

> > To: inquiries

> > Subject: singing and surgery

> >

> >

> >

> > Question, friends...

> >

> > I had orthognathic surgery two years ago, (simple, minimal lower

> > advancement and a bit of a sideways slide, in the hands of a

genius

> > at it, Dr. Greg Zieman of Mobile, Ala.) am happy and satisfied

with

> > the results. And I couldn't carry a tune in a bucket, as the

saying

> > goes, before surgery, and still can't. But I became active in

some

> > online groups, which helped me a lot in calming my fears. There

is

> > now a young man who is, I believe, a professional singer, needs

> > orthognathic surgery and is concerned about whether the surgery

> will

> > affect his voice.

> >

> >

> > I have a good friend who is well-trained as a classical musician

(a

> > violinist with a mom who sings lieder) and believes that her

voice

> > was lowered by the surgery -- upper, lower and genio. I can't

hear

> > it, but she can.

> >

> > Anyhow, the fellow facing the decision can't find a doc who knows

> > about singing, nor a voice coach who knows about surgery. I'm

> > guessing that somewhere among your members there is likely to be

a

> > singing surgeon who specializes in oral and maxillofacial

troubles.

> > Is that possible?

> >

> > Any help would be welcome.

> >

> > Many thanks.

> >

> > --------------------------------------------------------

> > Back to me:

> >

> > I don't mind being the middle person, or you may want to contact

> the

> > lady directly. If you do the latter, let her know where you're

> coming

> > from, and that it's the same inquiry, please. If I hear from a

> > surgeon, I'll probably forward name etc., directly to ,

unless

> > there's someone else who's in the same quandary...

> >

> > Best,

> >

> > Cammie

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Hi Cammie:

I was wondering if you could forward me, to my e-mail, the surgeon's

contact info who responded regarding the voice after surgery.

My upper was advanced 3mm which I know doesn't seem like much, but I

perceive my voice as much more nasally. Others don't claim to notice

much, but to me it seems many of my words get muffled-up within my

nose. It's a very bothersome feeling, so I am trying to find some

experts in this area for advice. I'm not a singer, but am in sales

and on the phone a lot.

BTW, does the change in your friends voice bother her in any way?

Many, Many Thanks

Mark

> >

> > , et als --

> >

> > I still refuse to believe that there isn't an expert out there

who

> > can help with this question. So, I finally had an idea. I e-

mailed

> > the AAOMS with it, and got this nice reply today:

> >

> > Good Day!

> >

> >

> >

> > I shared your e-mail with colleagues here at AAOMS headquarters.

> > They will contact some of our members to help you out. You will

> hear

> > back from someone within a few days. Should that not happen,

> please

> > let me know.

> >

> >

> >

> > I wish you the very best.

> >

> >

> >

> > Cordially,

> >

> >

> >

> > Marquita Hynes

> >

> > Senior Communications Associate

> >

> > American Association of Oral and Maxillofacial Surgeons

> >

> > 9700 West Bryn Mawr Avenue

> >

> > Rosemont, Illinois 60018-5701

> >

> > www.aaoms.org

> >

> > , ext. 4317 fax:

> >

> > mhynes@a...

> >

> > My post to her:

> >

> >

> > From: Cammie

> >

> > Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 8:29 PM

> > To: inquiries

> > Subject: singing and surgery

> >

> >

> >

> > Question, friends...

> >

> > I had orthognathic surgery two years ago, (simple, minimal lower

> > advancement and a bit of a sideways slide, in the hands of a

genius

> > at it, Dr. Greg Zieman of Mobile, Ala.) am happy and satisfied

with

> > the results. And I couldn't carry a tune in a bucket, as the

saying

> > goes, before surgery, and still can't. But I became active in

some

> > online groups, which helped me a lot in calming my fears. There

is

> > now a young man who is, I believe, a professional singer, needs

> > orthognathic surgery and is concerned about whether the surgery

> will

> > affect his voice.

> >

> >

> > I have a good friend who is well-trained as a classical musician

(a

> > violinist with a mom who sings lieder) and believes that her

voice

> > was lowered by the surgery -- upper, lower and genio. I can't

hear

> > it, but she can.

> >

> > Anyhow, the fellow facing the decision can't find a doc who knows

> > about singing, nor a voice coach who knows about surgery. I'm

> > guessing that somewhere among your members there is likely to be

a

> > singing surgeon who specializes in oral and maxillofacial

troubles.

> > Is that possible?

> >

> > Any help would be welcome.

> >

> > Many thanks.

> >

> > --------------------------------------------------------

> > Back to me:

> >

> > I don't mind being the middle person, or you may want to contact

> the

> > lady directly. If you do the latter, let her know where you're

> coming

> > from, and that it's the same inquiry, please. If I hear from a

> > surgeon, I'll probably forward name etc., directly to ,

unless

> > there's someone else who's in the same quandary...

> >

> > Best,

> >

> > Cammie

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