Re: Detour Bars. Protein Cake and other 'goodies'

[Guest guest]

> But I think it is very

> difficult to incorporate Detour bars or foods like it into a stable pattern

> without triggering longtime habits of overeating and sweet snacking, the type

> that fueled many patient's morbid obesity before surgery.

In many cases, I think you have a good point here. I do use protein bars. What I

use them for is something to carry in my purse, so that if I start getting that

" going to eat the wallpaper " feeling, I have something halfway healthy with me,

and it avoids the drive-through Whopper & fries (which I can eat without

dumping). The way my schedule works, it's a short time from breakfast to lunch,

but a long time from lunch to supper, and a lot of times I will find myself away

from home, no evening meal yet in sight, and hungry. That's when a protein bar

is a lifesaver.

But I don't eat them to replace candy. And having tasted the Detour bars, I can

see where these could become that vice pretty easily.

I guess my point is, if, and only if, we can control when we eat them and how,

we should be able to have them. If they become an out-of-control food, we need

to re-assess, and deal with them just like we would any other trigger food.

~~ Lyn G

[Guest guest]

> But I think it is very

> difficult to incorporate Detour bars or foods like it into a stable pattern

> without triggering longtime habits of overeating and sweet snacking, the type

> that fueled many patient's morbid obesity before surgery.

In many cases, I think you have a good point here. I do use protein bars. What I

use them for is something to carry in my purse, so that if I start getting that

" going to eat the wallpaper " feeling, I have something halfway healthy with me,

and it avoids the drive-through Whopper & fries (which I can eat without

dumping). The way my schedule works, it's a short time from breakfast to lunch,

but a long time from lunch to supper, and a lot of times I will find myself away

from home, no evening meal yet in sight, and hungry. That's when a protein bar

is a lifesaver.

But I don't eat them to replace candy. And having tasted the Detour bars, I can

see where these could become that vice pretty easily.

I guess my point is, if, and only if, we can control when we eat them and how,

we should be able to have them. If they become an out-of-control food, we need

to re-assess, and deal with them just like we would any other trigger food.

~~ Lyn G

[Guest guest]

Carol,

You are sooooo right! The biggest mistake I've made (well, not my

BIGGEST mistake...just one of many) is discovering I can eat chocolate,

cookies and other evil things without dumping. I can graze on them and

that's one of the reasons I got MO in the first place. Now that it is

Girl Scout cookie season, it's hell!!!! There are boxes every where,

both at home and at work. It is just too easy to pop one or two in my

mouth without thinking. I am trying to channel my sweet tooth into

sugar free treats and that seems to help a bit. The best ones I've found

are by Stover. Their chocolate truffles taste and feel (mouth

texture is so important) like the real thing. The best are their

chocolate mints. Like a Yorkshire Mint Patty. Ymmmmm. Another treat I

use are sugar free Klondike bars. I would really prefer not to indulge

in any of these things, but until I can kill (or a least stun) the carb

monster, I will keep a stash of my SF treats to get me through. ;-) :-)

in San Diego

Lap RNY 2/27/02

298 - 257 surgery day - 150 now

CarolASig@... wrote:

>Please forgive the cross posting for some of you.

>There have been numerous discussions lately online about the pros and cons of

>some of the newer protein bars especially the ones that effectively simulate

>real candy bars. They travel into our pantries under the guise of safety

>because their manufacturers CLAIM they are high in protein. What could be

>better than an almost 'candy bar' that's low in calories and high in

>protein....?

>Those of you who watched the fall from grace recently of The Original Protein

>Cake " will recall the disapointment and anger many felt when we learned that

>the product's labeling was not accurate. In reality it was not particularly

>low in calories and was not as high in protein as originally claimed. It

>was a great piece of pound cake with a healthy dab of protein but.... that's

>not what we though we were buying.

>

>The Detour bar makes a very high claim for protein content (32)and is also

>VERY high in calories (290). I wonder if it can stand up to its claim.

>

>But more importantly I wonder if we need to think harder about our wishes to

>have and eat our 'cake'. I read a lot of them and not many surgeons have

>that particular item on their protocols! No brownies, fudge or Snickers

>either. I believe that most patients can eat a wide variety of normal foods

>following surgery if they are careful and if they practice establishing

>stable habits over the first two years afterwards. But I think it is very

>difficult to incorporate Detour bars or foods like it into a stable pattern

>without triggering longtime habits of overeating and sweet snacking, the type

>that fueled many patient's morbid obesity before surgery. The following

>journal entry from a patient in my aftercare program says it better than I

>ever could. She gave me her permission to share it. I thought some of you

>might find it useful.

>

> " Those new bars are out of control for me. I knew the brownies at work were a

>mistake but I thought these would be OK. I wish I never started eating them.

> I never even missed my old Snickers bars until I tried these things. Now I

>notice myself thinking about having a couple bites of one several times a

>day. I nearly bit my daughter's head off last week when I discovered she had

>eaten a couple of them with her friends. I felt like someone had stolen my

>secret stash.

>This is getting me very depressed. It's been a whole year. I was doing

>really good. I was telling people over the holidays I was CURED. I wasn't

>hungry or even tempted over Christmas. Now I suddenly seem to be tempted all

>the time. ^#@* & ^%!! Funny thing is I had this feeling before I started

>fooling around with (the protein 'candy' bars) I shouldn't eat these suckers.

> Maybe nobody should eat them but I definitely shouldn't. Maybe some people

>can control them but not me. I have to stay away. Gotta get off this new

>drug food. I went cold turkey on my smokes. I'm gonna go back to fruit,

>veggies and lighter snacks. I've just got to. This is no joke. Hope it's

>not too late. "

>

>I don't think it's too late for this person to get back on track with fewer

>sweets and sugar substitutes. This wls 'tool' really works when we use it

>right. It's definitely a POWER tool. But it's worrisome to read online

>about so many newly recovering people 'experimenting' casually and routinely

>with foods that are dangerous to long term maintenance.

>

>Be careful out there. After 5 years of my own recovery and 2 yrs of working

>with other reovering Bariatric patients I have come to the firm belief that

> " Goodies " should be reintroduced after surgery only with the greatest

>caution and care..especially the goodies that were hard to control

>pre-surgery.

>So..... What could be better than an almost 'candy bar' that's low in

>calories and high in protein....? Three small square (high protein, low

>carb) meals that satisfy and a heaping helping of health for the future.

>Just my .02

>

>

>Carol

>Shrinkin' in Philly

>

>RNY-HUP -1998-135 lbs.

>

>Carol Signore, MAT, MS, LMFT

>Private Practice: Ambler, PA

>Clinical Memberships:

> American Association of Marriage & Family Therapy

> Academy For Eating Disorders

>Chairman AED Weight Loss Surgery SIG

>Director: My Self Design

> A cognitive behavorial treatment program for Bariatric surgery patients

> see www.myselfdesign.com

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Carol,

You are sooooo right! The biggest mistake I've made (well, not my

BIGGEST mistake...just one of many) is discovering I can eat chocolate,

cookies and other evil things without dumping. I can graze on them and

that's one of the reasons I got MO in the first place. Now that it is

Girl Scout cookie season, it's hell!!!! There are boxes every where,

both at home and at work. It is just too easy to pop one or two in my

mouth without thinking. I am trying to channel my sweet tooth into

sugar free treats and that seems to help a bit. The best ones I've found

are by Stover. Their chocolate truffles taste and feel (mouth

texture is so important) like the real thing. The best are their

chocolate mints. Like a Yorkshire Mint Patty. Ymmmmm. Another treat I

use are sugar free Klondike bars. I would really prefer not to indulge

in any of these things, but until I can kill (or a least stun) the carb

monster, I will keep a stash of my SF treats to get me through. ;-) :-)

in San Diego

Lap RNY 2/27/02

298 - 257 surgery day - 150 now

CarolASig@... wrote:

>Please forgive the cross posting for some of you.

>There have been numerous discussions lately online about the pros and cons of

>some of the newer protein bars especially the ones that effectively simulate

>real candy bars. They travel into our pantries under the guise of safety

>because their manufacturers CLAIM they are high in protein. What could be

>better than an almost 'candy bar' that's low in calories and high in

>protein....?

>Those of you who watched the fall from grace recently of The Original Protein

>Cake " will recall the disapointment and anger many felt when we learned that

>the product's labeling was not accurate. In reality it was not particularly

>low in calories and was not as high in protein as originally claimed. It

>was a great piece of pound cake with a healthy dab of protein but.... that's

>not what we though we were buying.

>

>The Detour bar makes a very high claim for protein content (32)and is also

>VERY high in calories (290). I wonder if it can stand up to its claim.

>

>But more importantly I wonder if we need to think harder about our wishes to

>have and eat our 'cake'. I read a lot of them and not many surgeons have

>that particular item on their protocols! No brownies, fudge or Snickers

>either. I believe that most patients can eat a wide variety of normal foods

>following surgery if they are careful and if they practice establishing

>stable habits over the first two years afterwards. But I think it is very

>difficult to incorporate Detour bars or foods like it into a stable pattern

>without triggering longtime habits of overeating and sweet snacking, the type

>that fueled many patient's morbid obesity before surgery. The following

>journal entry from a patient in my aftercare program says it better than I

>ever could. She gave me her permission to share it. I thought some of you

>might find it useful.

>

> " Those new bars are out of control for me. I knew the brownies at work were a

>mistake but I thought these would be OK. I wish I never started eating them.

> I never even missed my old Snickers bars until I tried these things. Now I

>notice myself thinking about having a couple bites of one several times a

>day. I nearly bit my daughter's head off last week when I discovered she had

>eaten a couple of them with her friends. I felt like someone had stolen my

>secret stash.

>This is getting me very depressed. It's been a whole year. I was doing

>really good. I was telling people over the holidays I was CURED. I wasn't

>hungry or even tempted over Christmas. Now I suddenly seem to be tempted all

>the time. ^#@* & ^%!! Funny thing is I had this feeling before I started

>fooling around with (the protein 'candy' bars) I shouldn't eat these suckers.

> Maybe nobody should eat them but I definitely shouldn't. Maybe some people

>can control them but not me. I have to stay away. Gotta get off this new

>drug food. I went cold turkey on my smokes. I'm gonna go back to fruit,

>veggies and lighter snacks. I've just got to. This is no joke. Hope it's

>not too late. "

>

>I don't think it's too late for this person to get back on track with fewer

>sweets and sugar substitutes. This wls 'tool' really works when we use it

>right. It's definitely a POWER tool. But it's worrisome to read online

>about so many newly recovering people 'experimenting' casually and routinely

>with foods that are dangerous to long term maintenance.

>

>Be careful out there. After 5 years of my own recovery and 2 yrs of working

>with other reovering Bariatric patients I have come to the firm belief that

> " Goodies " should be reintroduced after surgery only with the greatest

>caution and care..especially the goodies that were hard to control

>pre-surgery.

>So..... What could be better than an almost 'candy bar' that's low in

>calories and high in protein....? Three small square (high protein, low

>carb) meals that satisfy and a heaping helping of health for the future.

>Just my .02

>

>

>Carol

>Shrinkin' in Philly

>

>RNY-HUP -1998-135 lbs.

>

>Carol Signore, MAT, MS, LMFT

>Private Practice: Ambler, PA

>Clinical Memberships:

> American Association of Marriage & Family Therapy

> Academy For Eating Disorders

>Chairman AED Weight Loss Surgery SIG

>Director: My Self Design

> A cognitive behavorial treatment program for Bariatric surgery patients

> see www.myselfdesign.com

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

It is very deceiving in the first few months when we find we can have a bite

of a cookie or candy or chocolate and be totally satisfied thinking that it

will always be this way. From my own experience, I would strongly stress to

newer post ops to not even go there. As many of us know, once our appetites

gets bigger down the road and we can tolerate many more foods, that old urge

can return in a huge way.

Today I fight a 35 lb regain, having lost 5 of those so far with 30 to go

because of tempting fate with these foods. Re the protein bars, I use the

Biochem Ultimate Protein Bars. They come in a small size with 15 gr of

protein and about 150 calories depending on the flavor. For the longest time

I liked the small size as it was satisfying and if I had the large size, I

ate the whole thing just because it was there. The past few months I began

rationalizing to myself well, I can have two of these cause they then equal

one of the " normal " size bars. Then they became like a candy bar to me. I am

fighting this today. God, that urge for something sweet can be so damn

strong, can't it!

Funny thing is, is that when I eat a juicy crunchy sweet fuji apple, I love

it and am just as satisfied, if not more, than with candy and cookies. So, I

guess the question is, why don't I go for the apple instead as my first

choice? Some of it may be physical but for me, I am sure this is mostly

emotional.

We have already won when we believe it in our hearts.

ICQ: 67869779

AIM: joydenisek

[Guest guest]

It is very deceiving in the first few months when we find we can have a bite

of a cookie or candy or chocolate and be totally satisfied thinking that it

will always be this way. From my own experience, I would strongly stress to

newer post ops to not even go there. As many of us know, once our appetites

gets bigger down the road and we can tolerate many more foods, that old urge

can return in a huge way.

Today I fight a 35 lb regain, having lost 5 of those so far with 30 to go

because of tempting fate with these foods. Re the protein bars, I use the

Biochem Ultimate Protein Bars. They come in a small size with 15 gr of

protein and about 150 calories depending on the flavor. For the longest time

I liked the small size as it was satisfying and if I had the large size, I

ate the whole thing just because it was there. The past few months I began

rationalizing to myself well, I can have two of these cause they then equal

one of the " normal " size bars. Then they became like a candy bar to me. I am

fighting this today. God, that urge for something sweet can be so damn

strong, can't it!

Funny thing is, is that when I eat a juicy crunchy sweet fuji apple, I love

it and am just as satisfied, if not more, than with candy and cookies. So, I

guess the question is, why don't I go for the apple instead as my first

choice? Some of it may be physical but for me, I am sure this is mostly

emotional.

We have already won when we believe it in our hearts.

ICQ: 67869779

AIM: joydenisek