Guest guest Posted February 27, 2003 Report Share Posted February 27, 2003 This is a good way to think....50% .......m-m-m-m Hubby says when he worked in the aerospace industry whatever equipment our military and eventually astronauts used was built by the low bidder. Sad but true! Jo Re: Odd question > > > > The surgeon statement is " true " for SOME thin people. After more > > than 30 years of dealing with the " good, the bad, the ugly " in > > healthcare, I know that there are very few broad sweeping statements > > that are true for everyone that they usually, and inaccurately, > > include. Some thin people are thin becasue they " think thin, " some > > are thin because they have inefficient physiologies that waste a lot > > of food that they eat, some are thin because of lifestyles or > > life " trials. " There is no one size fits all statement that can apply > > here. > > > > As an extreme distal RNY patient, I eat stuff (and pass it through) > > that other proximal RNY WLS patients or those with bands and such > > would never consider. The rules for me, or the rules for you are > > JUST the rules for me or for you and can't be blindly applied to > > everyone. Doctors, who are supposed to be scientific thinkers, are > > just as subject to sloppy reasoning as are other mer mortals. After > > all, 50% of all doctors were in the bottom half of their graduating > > class. > > > > Rick S. > > > > > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > > > > > > > > > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2003 Report Share Posted February 27, 2003 This is a good way to think....50% .......m-m-m-m Hubby says when he worked in the aerospace industry whatever equipment our military and eventually astronauts used was built by the low bidder. Sad but true! Jo Re: Odd question > > > > The surgeon statement is " true " for SOME thin people. After more > > than 30 years of dealing with the " good, the bad, the ugly " in > > healthcare, I know that there are very few broad sweeping statements > > that are true for everyone that they usually, and inaccurately, > > include. Some thin people are thin becasue they " think thin, " some > > are thin because they have inefficient physiologies that waste a lot > > of food that they eat, some are thin because of lifestyles or > > life " trials. " There is no one size fits all statement that can apply > > here. > > > > As an extreme distal RNY patient, I eat stuff (and pass it through) > > that other proximal RNY WLS patients or those with bands and such > > would never consider. The rules for me, or the rules for you are > > JUST the rules for me or for you and can't be blindly applied to > > everyone. Doctors, who are supposed to be scientific thinkers, are > > just as subject to sloppy reasoning as are other mer mortals. After > > all, 50% of all doctors were in the bottom half of their graduating > > class. > > > > Rick S. > > > > > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > > > > > > > > > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2003 Report Share Posted March 8, 2003 To: <Graduate-OSSG-owner > Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 6:05 AM Subject: Re: Support Groups > I think for all of us the need for support goes up and down on the > scale. The further away I got from surgery the less I felt the need > to attend support meetings. Yet there are times I feel I do need to > get my butt back to one. As we approach thinness, some of us just > don't want to be constantly confronted with the same questions over > and over or have our old life in our faces all the time...we are > trying to move on. > > I understand the reason doctors close their support groups to only > those that they operated on. The numbers have to be controlled for > the meeting to even be effective without being too big and they are > trying to control what information is being fed to their patients. > Plus...if your support group is being facilitated by a professional, > who is paying for that? In our case a social worker is provided and > we co-pay $10.00 for each meeting. The rest comes from your > insurance company on file with YOUR doctor. > > Bringing food to a support meeting that is sponsored by the hospital > or doctors can make them liable for problems down the road. You > never know who is diabetic, allergic, etc. Plus...it doesn't matter > how good you think a protein shake or bar is. I never saw so many > taste buds differ then those belonging to the WLS bunch. Heck..can > you imagine some taste buds run from Pro-score or Whey Stack > chocolate > > JMHO > Carol G. > > > > > > > > > Since most of you are quite far out from surgery, I was wondering > if you > > still attend support groups. Do you find them helpful? Are you > able to > > discuss things that you discuss here? Do the groups have planned > agendas > > with no deviation from the topic? > > Does your group accept those who have had their gastric bypass > surgery > > by other surgeons? Or is the group closed to that Doctor's patients > > only? > > > > There is a little controversy in my group about > allowing " outsiders " to > > attend our meetings. The Docs think they may give their patients > bad > > information. I think we all have similar problems and that we > should > > allow all to attend. We are the only group available within a 3 hr > drive > > for most of the people. What do you think? > > > > Also, I like to have fruit, water, or high protein snacks > available at > > support group meetings. Do you have anything like this at your > group? > > > > Is ther time allowed for socializing or exchanging ideas? Where > are the > > meetings held? > > > > Thank you in advance for your help. > > Sheila > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2003 Report Share Posted March 8, 2003 To: <Graduate-OSSG-owner > Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 6:05 AM Subject: Re: Support Groups > I think for all of us the need for support goes up and down on the > scale. The further away I got from surgery the less I felt the need > to attend support meetings. Yet there are times I feel I do need to > get my butt back to one. As we approach thinness, some of us just > don't want to be constantly confronted with the same questions over > and over or have our old life in our faces all the time...we are > trying to move on. > > I understand the reason doctors close their support groups to only > those that they operated on. The numbers have to be controlled for > the meeting to even be effective without being too big and they are > trying to control what information is being fed to their patients. > Plus...if your support group is being facilitated by a professional, > who is paying for that? In our case a social worker is provided and > we co-pay $10.00 for each meeting. The rest comes from your > insurance company on file with YOUR doctor. > > Bringing food to a support meeting that is sponsored by the hospital > or doctors can make them liable for problems down the road. You > never know who is diabetic, allergic, etc. Plus...it doesn't matter > how good you think a protein shake or bar is. I never saw so many > taste buds differ then those belonging to the WLS bunch. Heck..can > you imagine some taste buds run from Pro-score or Whey Stack > chocolate > > JMHO > Carol G. > > > > > > > > > Since most of you are quite far out from surgery, I was wondering > if you > > still attend support groups. Do you find them helpful? Are you > able to > > discuss things that you discuss here? Do the groups have planned > agendas > > with no deviation from the topic? > > Does your group accept those who have had their gastric bypass > surgery > > by other surgeons? Or is the group closed to that Doctor's patients > > only? > > > > There is a little controversy in my group about > allowing " outsiders " to > > attend our meetings. The Docs think they may give their patients > bad > > information. I think we all have similar problems and that we > should > > allow all to attend. We are the only group available within a 3 hr > drive > > for most of the people. What do you think? > > > > Also, I like to have fruit, water, or high protein snacks > available at > > support group meetings. Do you have anything like this at your > group? > > > > Is ther time allowed for socializing or exchanging ideas? Where > are the > > meetings held? > > > > Thank you in advance for your help. > > Sheila > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2003 Report Share Posted March 8, 2003 > > Bringing food to a support meeting that is sponsored by the hospital > > or doctors can make them liable for problems down the road. You > > never know who is diabetic, allergic, etc. I don't think this is necessarily true. The hospital is not making you eat anything. When I went to Pacific Bariatrics support groups, we would have potlucks from time to time, and the point was to make WLS-friendly food, and share the recipe, so everyone knew what was in everything. We would also have protein tastings at the hospital, and one of the guys would teach us how to use the syrups to make protein shakes in different varieties. ~~ Lyn G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2003 Report Share Posted March 8, 2003 > > Bringing food to a support meeting that is sponsored by the hospital > > or doctors can make them liable for problems down the road. You > > never know who is diabetic, allergic, etc. I don't think this is necessarily true. The hospital is not making you eat anything. When I went to Pacific Bariatrics support groups, we would have potlucks from time to time, and the point was to make WLS-friendly food, and share the recipe, so everyone knew what was in everything. We would also have protein tastings at the hospital, and one of the guys would teach us how to use the syrups to make protein shakes in different varieties. ~~ Lyn G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2003 Report Share Posted March 8, 2003 In a message dated 3/8/2003 8:46:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, butterflye@... writes: > I don't think this is necessarily true. The hospital is not making you eat > anything Unfortunately in these litigious times, free choice doesn't count. The deal is that if anything happens on hospital grounds, it can be their responsibility. Fay Bayuk 300/173 10/23/01 Dr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2003 Report Share Posted March 8, 2003 In a message dated 3/8/2003 8:46:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, butterflye@... writes: > I don't think this is necessarily true. The hospital is not making you eat > anything Unfortunately in these litigious times, free choice doesn't count. The deal is that if anything happens on hospital grounds, it can be their responsibility. Fay Bayuk 300/173 10/23/01 Dr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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