Guest guest Posted March 6, 2003 Report Share Posted March 6, 2003 In a message dated 3/6/2003 4:34:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, jholdaway@... writes: > I > worked just as hard on modifying my behavior after surgery as I did on > exercise. And, what I did REALLY WASN'T THAT DIFFICULT. > I'm going to recap: > I am so happy that you were able to do this. Bravo to you. I know people who where able to do this their whole lives. I say bravo to them Bravo to anyone who can do what others cannot do. Fay Bayuk 300/173 10/23/01 Dr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2003 Report Share Posted March 6, 2003 In a message dated 3/6/2003 4:34:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, jholdaway@... writes: > I > worked just as hard on modifying my behavior after surgery as I did on > exercise. And, what I did REALLY WASN'T THAT DIFFICULT. > I'm going to recap: > I am so happy that you were able to do this. Bravo to you. I know people who where able to do this their whole lives. I say bravo to them Bravo to anyone who can do what others cannot do. Fay Bayuk 300/173 10/23/01 Dr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2003 Report Share Posted March 6, 2003 I'd be the last to flame you Jac! I was so determined when I had this surgery that I was going to MAKE it work! I deliberately kept my meals tiny...thus, keeping my pouch small. I'm nearly 3 years post now, and if I eat 1/2 a sandwich, I can literally feel the lump in my stomach, and I am overly full. My father, back in the 60's, had 75% of his stomach removed, and gradually stretched it back to it's normal size..and became fat! I made up my mind, I would develop good habits from the get~go, and I'm happy to say, it's working for me...I don't even have to think about it anymore. I KNOW how much I can eat, and don't go beyond that. I can't stand the feeling of " full " anymore. I always stop short. I call it " tool maintenance. " I keep the tool in good shape, it will keep me in good shape. =^) Congrats on your success! Shows it is doable! Regards~ Jacque Distal RNY, 5/30/00 Drs. Fox and Oh Beginning BMI 50.0 Current BMI 20.4 310~127 > Well, I may get flamed for this...but if you can eat as much as you did > before, barring complications such as SLD, then you did not follow through > on behavior modification. It is a TOOL, just as much as the surgery is. I > worked just as hard on modifying my behavior after surgery as I did on > exercise. And, what I did REALLY WASN'T THAT DIFFICULT. > I'm going to recap: > Eat a small portion of something...soup, salad, green beans, it really > doesn't matter. > Wait 15 minutes. It takes at least 15 minutes for your stomach to tell your > brain that you're sated. > When you eat your meal, and frankly, I don't care if it's protein, carbs, > or > the kitchen sink, take ONE BITE. Lay your fork down! Put your hands in > your > lap, and chew! You can count to 50, if you want while you do it. Then pick > your fork up, and take another bite. REPEAT. In the beginning, at least, > act > like you're enjoying that bite in your mouth as if it's your last. > Eventually, it will become habit. And taking the time to enjoy your meal > will work in your behalf. > I've told friends who are just obese, or overweight, this, and they tried > it, and DARNED IF IT DIDN'T WORK! > Ok...flame away. I'm 250 months post op (that will be 21 years in May), and > I can take it. And 5'10, 150 lbs, and wearing a size 8, STILL. > > Jac > mailto:jholdaway@... > before and after pictures at: > http://hometown.aol.com/jrandjrholdaway > http://www.pictureitdigitaldesigns.com/ > http://members.cox.net/xxxfarmpaints > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2003 Report Share Posted March 6, 2003 I'd be the last to flame you Jac! I was so determined when I had this surgery that I was going to MAKE it work! I deliberately kept my meals tiny...thus, keeping my pouch small. I'm nearly 3 years post now, and if I eat 1/2 a sandwich, I can literally feel the lump in my stomach, and I am overly full. My father, back in the 60's, had 75% of his stomach removed, and gradually stretched it back to it's normal size..and became fat! I made up my mind, I would develop good habits from the get~go, and I'm happy to say, it's working for me...I don't even have to think about it anymore. I KNOW how much I can eat, and don't go beyond that. I can't stand the feeling of " full " anymore. I always stop short. I call it " tool maintenance. " I keep the tool in good shape, it will keep me in good shape. =^) Congrats on your success! Shows it is doable! Regards~ Jacque Distal RNY, 5/30/00 Drs. Fox and Oh Beginning BMI 50.0 Current BMI 20.4 310~127 > Well, I may get flamed for this...but if you can eat as much as you did > before, barring complications such as SLD, then you did not follow through > on behavior modification. It is a TOOL, just as much as the surgery is. I > worked just as hard on modifying my behavior after surgery as I did on > exercise. And, what I did REALLY WASN'T THAT DIFFICULT. > I'm going to recap: > Eat a small portion of something...soup, salad, green beans, it really > doesn't matter. > Wait 15 minutes. It takes at least 15 minutes for your stomach to tell your > brain that you're sated. > When you eat your meal, and frankly, I don't care if it's protein, carbs, > or > the kitchen sink, take ONE BITE. Lay your fork down! Put your hands in > your > lap, and chew! You can count to 50, if you want while you do it. Then pick > your fork up, and take another bite. REPEAT. In the beginning, at least, > act > like you're enjoying that bite in your mouth as if it's your last. > Eventually, it will become habit. And taking the time to enjoy your meal > will work in your behalf. > I've told friends who are just obese, or overweight, this, and they tried > it, and DARNED IF IT DIDN'T WORK! > Ok...flame away. I'm 250 months post op (that will be 21 years in May), and > I can take it. And 5'10, 150 lbs, and wearing a size 8, STILL. > > Jac > mailto:jholdaway@... > before and after pictures at: > http://hometown.aol.com/jrandjrholdaway > http://www.pictureitdigitaldesigns.com/ > http://members.cox.net/xxxfarmpaints > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2003 Report Share Posted March 6, 2003 Well, I may get flamed for this...but if you can eat as much as you did before, barring complications such as SLD, then you did not follow through on behavior modification. It is a TOOL, just as much as the surgery is. I worked just as hard on modifying my behavior after surgery as I did on exercise. And, what I did REALLY WASN'T THAT DIFFICULT. I'm going to recap: Eat a small portion of something...soup, salad, green beans, it really doesn't matter. Wait 15 minutes. It takes at least 15 minutes for your stomach to tell your brain that you're sated. When you eat your meal, and frankly, I don't care if it's protein, carbs, or the kitchen sink, take ONE BITE. Lay your fork down! Put your hands in your lap, and chew! You can count to 50, if you want while you do it. Then pick your fork up, and take another bite. REPEAT. In the beginning, at least, act like you're enjoying that bite in your mouth as if it's your last. Eventually, it will become habit. And taking the time to enjoy your meal will work in your behalf. I've told friends who are just obese, or overweight, this, and they tried it, and DARNED IF IT DIDN'T WORK! Ok...flame away. I'm 250 months post op (that will be 21 years in May), and I can take it. And 5'10, 150 lbs, and wearing a size 8, STILL. Jac mailto:jholdaway@... before and after pictures at: http://hometown.aol.com/jrandjrholdaway http://www.pictureitdigitaldesigns.com/ http://members.cox.net/xxxfarmpaints Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2003 Report Share Posted March 6, 2003 Well, I may get flamed for this...but if you can eat as much as you did before, barring complications such as SLD, then you did not follow through on behavior modification. It is a TOOL, just as much as the surgery is. I worked just as hard on modifying my behavior after surgery as I did on exercise. And, what I did REALLY WASN'T THAT DIFFICULT. I'm going to recap: Eat a small portion of something...soup, salad, green beans, it really doesn't matter. Wait 15 minutes. It takes at least 15 minutes for your stomach to tell your brain that you're sated. When you eat your meal, and frankly, I don't care if it's protein, carbs, or the kitchen sink, take ONE BITE. Lay your fork down! Put your hands in your lap, and chew! You can count to 50, if you want while you do it. Then pick your fork up, and take another bite. REPEAT. In the beginning, at least, act like you're enjoying that bite in your mouth as if it's your last. Eventually, it will become habit. And taking the time to enjoy your meal will work in your behalf. I've told friends who are just obese, or overweight, this, and they tried it, and DARNED IF IT DIDN'T WORK! Ok...flame away. I'm 250 months post op (that will be 21 years in May), and I can take it. And 5'10, 150 lbs, and wearing a size 8, STILL. Jac mailto:jholdaway@... before and after pictures at: http://hometown.aol.com/jrandjrholdaway http://www.pictureitdigitaldesigns.com/ http://members.cox.net/xxxfarmpaints Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2003 Report Share Posted March 6, 2003 > Well, I may get flamed for this...but if you can eat as much as you did > before, barring complications such as SLD, then you did not follow through > on behavior modification. It is a TOOL, just as much as the surgery is. I'm not going to flame you, but what I will say is that the vast majority of us did not have behavior modification as part of the package. We were told what we could eat and when, but we were never really taught how to utilize the tool to the best of our ability,or how to change our old eating habits. And I always say, they didn't operate on our brains -- they should have, maybe, but they didn't. Most of us are floundering around wondering how we got so close to right, and then it all started going wrong again. We got the tool, we just didn't get the right lessons on how the tool is used. And I say that coming from a bariatric group that provided a pretty good food protocol -- some don't even get that much. ~~ Lyn G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2003 Report Share Posted March 6, 2003 > Well, I may get flamed for this...but if you can eat as much as you did > before, barring complications such as SLD, then you did not follow through > on behavior modification. It is a TOOL, just as much as the surgery is. I'm not going to flame you, but what I will say is that the vast majority of us did not have behavior modification as part of the package. We were told what we could eat and when, but we were never really taught how to utilize the tool to the best of our ability,or how to change our old eating habits. And I always say, they didn't operate on our brains -- they should have, maybe, but they didn't. Most of us are floundering around wondering how we got so close to right, and then it all started going wrong again. We got the tool, we just didn't get the right lessons on how the tool is used. And I say that coming from a bariatric group that provided a pretty good food protocol -- some don't even get that much. ~~ Lyn G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2003 Report Share Posted March 6, 2003 I usually do not get involved in threads like this when one person " subtly " or not so subtly days something to help the other person feel badly about themselves but this time a nerve was hit.. Yes, of course if we did the things you listed below, it would work. No doubt about that. For some people, yes, it isn't as difficult as for others or the person is stronger enough to follow through with this plan. For those of us for whom it is a major struggle much of the time, we have to remember to not feel like failures when things like this are said to us. Many of us hang onto the food or even the lbs for different reasons. This is not just a physical issue. It is also a major psychological issue for some of us. Myself, I turned to food from very early on in my childhood as a means of survival, so to speak. So, in some ways, I was very strong in finding something to turn to and carry me through my hard times. Yes, those things are all in the past now but the issue with food, self esteem, feeling unlovable, etc. are all still there even after many years of therapy. Well, before I go off on tangents I didn't intend to, I want to say overall that if we could do what you suggest, then it makes sense that we would never have gotten so overweight as to need WLS in the first place. Yes, you are many years out and you are a success. Well, myself, I am down 105 lbs, still have a ways to my goal, but I am also a success. We all are. We don't have to do things perfectly to be success stories. And it isn't always being a size 8 that makes us a success. How about being able to move and breathe at the same time being a success. Just a number on the scale and a number in our clothes is not the whole picture. No, Jac, I am not flaming you as you put it, but I will say that the way you worded your email, the insinuations are quite clear and do not come across with any feeling for others who are struggling. It can be very difficult for some people to come forward and open up about their struggles and this is one of the reasons why. We have already won when we believe it in our hearts. ICQ: 67869779 AIM: joydenisek > Well, I may get flamed for this...but if you can eat as much as you did > before, barring complications such as SLD, then you did not follow through > on behavior modification. It is a TOOL, just as much as the surgery is. I > worked just as hard on modifying my behavior after surgery as I did on > exercise. And, what I did REALLY WASN'T THAT DIFFICULT. > I'm going to recap: > Eat a small portion of something...soup, salad, green beans, it really > doesn't matter. > Wait 15 minutes. It takes at least 15 minutes for your stomach to tell your > brain that you're sated. > When you eat your meal, and frankly, I don't care if it's protein, carbs, or > the kitchen sink, take ONE BITE. Lay your fork down! Put your hands in your > lap, and chew! You can count to 50, if you want while you do it. Then pick > your fork up, and take another bite. REPEAT. In the beginning, at least, act > like you're enjoying that bite in your mouth as if it's your last. > Eventually, it will become habit. And taking the time to enjoy your meal > will work in your behalf. > I've told friends who are just obese, or overweight, this, and they tried > it, and DARNED IF IT DIDN'T WORK! > Ok...flame away. I'm 250 months post op (that will be 21 years in May), and > I can take it. And 5'10, 150 lbs, and wearing a size 8, STILL. > > Jac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2003 Report Share Posted March 6, 2003 I usually do not get involved in threads like this when one person " subtly " or not so subtly days something to help the other person feel badly about themselves but this time a nerve was hit.. Yes, of course if we did the things you listed below, it would work. No doubt about that. For some people, yes, it isn't as difficult as for others or the person is stronger enough to follow through with this plan. For those of us for whom it is a major struggle much of the time, we have to remember to not feel like failures when things like this are said to us. Many of us hang onto the food or even the lbs for different reasons. This is not just a physical issue. It is also a major psychological issue for some of us. Myself, I turned to food from very early on in my childhood as a means of survival, so to speak. So, in some ways, I was very strong in finding something to turn to and carry me through my hard times. Yes, those things are all in the past now but the issue with food, self esteem, feeling unlovable, etc. are all still there even after many years of therapy. Well, before I go off on tangents I didn't intend to, I want to say overall that if we could do what you suggest, then it makes sense that we would never have gotten so overweight as to need WLS in the first place. Yes, you are many years out and you are a success. Well, myself, I am down 105 lbs, still have a ways to my goal, but I am also a success. We all are. We don't have to do things perfectly to be success stories. And it isn't always being a size 8 that makes us a success. How about being able to move and breathe at the same time being a success. Just a number on the scale and a number in our clothes is not the whole picture. No, Jac, I am not flaming you as you put it, but I will say that the way you worded your email, the insinuations are quite clear and do not come across with any feeling for others who are struggling. It can be very difficult for some people to come forward and open up about their struggles and this is one of the reasons why. We have already won when we believe it in our hearts. ICQ: 67869779 AIM: joydenisek > Well, I may get flamed for this...but if you can eat as much as you did > before, barring complications such as SLD, then you did not follow through > on behavior modification. It is a TOOL, just as much as the surgery is. I > worked just as hard on modifying my behavior after surgery as I did on > exercise. And, what I did REALLY WASN'T THAT DIFFICULT. > I'm going to recap: > Eat a small portion of something...soup, salad, green beans, it really > doesn't matter. > Wait 15 minutes. It takes at least 15 minutes for your stomach to tell your > brain that you're sated. > When you eat your meal, and frankly, I don't care if it's protein, carbs, or > the kitchen sink, take ONE BITE. Lay your fork down! Put your hands in your > lap, and chew! You can count to 50, if you want while you do it. Then pick > your fork up, and take another bite. REPEAT. In the beginning, at least, act > like you're enjoying that bite in your mouth as if it's your last. > Eventually, it will become habit. And taking the time to enjoy your meal > will work in your behalf. > I've told friends who are just obese, or overweight, this, and they tried > it, and DARNED IF IT DIDN'T WORK! > Ok...flame away. I'm 250 months post op (that will be 21 years in May), and > I can take it. And 5'10, 150 lbs, and wearing a size 8, STILL. > > Jac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2003 Report Share Posted March 6, 2003 <<No, Jac, I am not flaming you as you put it, but I will say that the way you worded your email, the insinuations are quite clear and do not come across with any feeling for others who are struggling. It can be very difficult for some people to come forward and open up about their struggles and this is one of the reasons why.>> Well, , I'm sorry that you took my " insinuations " that way. My point is that behavior modification is just one of the tools that we have. It took me a LONG time to learn that. And I am one of the biggest carboholics that you ever hoped to meet! The point that I intended to make is that we have to use ALL our tools, and far too many surgeons think that sending us to " support groups " that are mostly pre-ops, trying to learn from US, is going to teach us all we need to know. That isn't the case. If it was up to me, we'd all be going to counseling and re-training classes for a year or more post op. That's from MY experience. Twenty years ago, there wasn't much available in the way of behavior modification therapy...there still isn't. And I'm just saying, as I said before, that is what works for ME. You do whatever you need to do to make it work for you. If that offends you, I'm truly sorry. And I wish you the best of luck in your journey. I've done my struggling, and I've learned to live with it, and I only hoped to share what I have learned. Jac mailto:jholdaway@... before and after pictures at: http://hometown.aol.com/jrandjrholdaway http://www.pictureitdigitaldesigns.com/ http://members.cox.net/xxxfarmpaints Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2003 Report Share Posted March 6, 2003 <<No, Jac, I am not flaming you as you put it, but I will say that the way you worded your email, the insinuations are quite clear and do not come across with any feeling for others who are struggling. It can be very difficult for some people to come forward and open up about their struggles and this is one of the reasons why.>> Well, , I'm sorry that you took my " insinuations " that way. My point is that behavior modification is just one of the tools that we have. It took me a LONG time to learn that. And I am one of the biggest carboholics that you ever hoped to meet! The point that I intended to make is that we have to use ALL our tools, and far too many surgeons think that sending us to " support groups " that are mostly pre-ops, trying to learn from US, is going to teach us all we need to know. That isn't the case. If it was up to me, we'd all be going to counseling and re-training classes for a year or more post op. That's from MY experience. Twenty years ago, there wasn't much available in the way of behavior modification therapy...there still isn't. And I'm just saying, as I said before, that is what works for ME. You do whatever you need to do to make it work for you. If that offends you, I'm truly sorry. And I wish you the best of luck in your journey. I've done my struggling, and I've learned to live with it, and I only hoped to share what I have learned. Jac mailto:jholdaway@... before and after pictures at: http://hometown.aol.com/jrandjrholdaway http://www.pictureitdigitaldesigns.com/ http://members.cox.net/xxxfarmpaints Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2003 Report Share Posted March 6, 2003 Just to chime in on this....I am very fortunate to have a surgeon with a strong postop program. He asks us for a 5 year comittment. That means 5 years of coming in every 6 months for office visits, labs and UGI. This hopefully means attending support group too. Now our support groups are somewhat different. No preops, no outsiders, no family members. Just us and Doc. Yes, he attends nearly all the support groups. We have 4 a month for the RNY, 2 for the lapband and one grad group. This is where he operates on our heads. Especially in the early stages when we so want to learn our new life. We discuss our problems, our frustrations, what we can and can't eat, who is still our friend and who hates us cuz we lost weight. I have become a support group junkie. I attend 3 a month and on will go to more if I feel the need. Our support groups is a safe place. A place we can vent, get angry, cry, laugh and learn. It's been a vital part of my success and I truly believe that those who attend support do better. It's a tough road to go alone. The journey is so much nicer with travelers who understand where you've been and where you are going. Well, , I'm sorry that you took my " insinuations " that way. My point is that behavior modification is just one of the tools that we have. It took me a LONG time to learn that. And I am one of the biggest carboholics that you ever hoped to meet! The point that I intended to make is that we have to use ALL our tools, and far too many surgeons think that sending us to " support groups " that are mostly pre-ops, trying to learn from US, is going to teach us all we need to know. That isn't the case. If it was up to me, we'd all be going to counseling and re-training classes for a year or more post op. That's from MY experience. Twenty years ago, there wasn't much available in the way of behavior modification therapy...there still isn't. And I'm just saying, as I said before, that is what works for ME. You do whatever you need to do to make it work for you. If that offends you, I'm truly sorry. And I wish you the best of luck in your journey. I've done my struggling, and I've learned to live with it, and I only hoped to share what I have learned. Jac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2003 Report Share Posted March 6, 2003 Just to chime in on this....I am very fortunate to have a surgeon with a strong postop program. He asks us for a 5 year comittment. That means 5 years of coming in every 6 months for office visits, labs and UGI. This hopefully means attending support group too. Now our support groups are somewhat different. No preops, no outsiders, no family members. Just us and Doc. Yes, he attends nearly all the support groups. We have 4 a month for the RNY, 2 for the lapband and one grad group. This is where he operates on our heads. Especially in the early stages when we so want to learn our new life. We discuss our problems, our frustrations, what we can and can't eat, who is still our friend and who hates us cuz we lost weight. I have become a support group junkie. I attend 3 a month and on will go to more if I feel the need. Our support groups is a safe place. A place we can vent, get angry, cry, laugh and learn. It's been a vital part of my success and I truly believe that those who attend support do better. It's a tough road to go alone. The journey is so much nicer with travelers who understand where you've been and where you are going. Well, , I'm sorry that you took my " insinuations " that way. My point is that behavior modification is just one of the tools that we have. It took me a LONG time to learn that. And I am one of the biggest carboholics that you ever hoped to meet! The point that I intended to make is that we have to use ALL our tools, and far too many surgeons think that sending us to " support groups " that are mostly pre-ops, trying to learn from US, is going to teach us all we need to know. That isn't the case. If it was up to me, we'd all be going to counseling and re-training classes for a year or more post op. That's from MY experience. Twenty years ago, there wasn't much available in the way of behavior modification therapy...there still isn't. And I'm just saying, as I said before, that is what works for ME. You do whatever you need to do to make it work for you. If that offends you, I'm truly sorry. And I wish you the best of luck in your journey. I've done my struggling, and I've learned to live with it, and I only hoped to share what I have learned. Jac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2003 Report Share Posted March 6, 2003 Jac, I thought you had valid points. What I'd like to ask you is this: You mention that you suffer from the carb monster - In the years since you have had surgery, have you found yourself gaining a few lbs. here and there? What have you done to restart weight loss? I am assuming of course that you may have gained and lost weight in that time, so please forgive me if I am wrong . The reason I ask is that I am currently fighting to restart weight loss, and none of the tried and true methods seem to be working for me. I am doing Atkins right now, but it seems as if that is only helping me to maintain at my current weight... RE: Slip sliding away... > <<No, Jac, I am not flaming you as you put it, but I will say that the way > you > worded your email, the insinuations are quite clear and do not come across > with any feeling for others who are struggling. It can be very difficult for > some people to come forward and open up about their struggles and this is > one of the reasons why.>> > > Well, , I'm sorry that you took my " insinuations " that way. My point > is that behavior modification is just one of the tools that we have. It took > me a LONG time to learn that. And I am one of the biggest carboholics that > you ever hoped to meet! The point that I intended to make is that we have to > use ALL our tools, and far too many surgeons think that sending us to > " support groups " that are mostly pre-ops, trying to learn from US, is going > to teach us all we need to know. That isn't the case. If it was up to me, > we'd all be going to counseling and re-training classes for a year or more > post op. That's from MY experience. Twenty years ago, there wasn't much > available in the way of behavior modification therapy...there still isn't. > And I'm just saying, as I said before, that is what works for ME. You do > whatever you need to do to make it work for you. If that offends you, I'm > truly sorry. And I wish you the best of luck in your journey. I've done my > struggling, and I've learned to live with it, and I only hoped to share what > I have learned. > > Jac > mailto:jholdaway@... > before and after pictures at: > http://hometown.aol.com/jrandjrholdaway > http://www.pictureitdigitaldesigns.com/ > http://members.cox.net/xxxfarmpaints > > > > > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2003 Report Share Posted March 6, 2003 Jac, I thought you had valid points. What I'd like to ask you is this: You mention that you suffer from the carb monster - In the years since you have had surgery, have you found yourself gaining a few lbs. here and there? What have you done to restart weight loss? I am assuming of course that you may have gained and lost weight in that time, so please forgive me if I am wrong . The reason I ask is that I am currently fighting to restart weight loss, and none of the tried and true methods seem to be working for me. I am doing Atkins right now, but it seems as if that is only helping me to maintain at my current weight... RE: Slip sliding away... > <<No, Jac, I am not flaming you as you put it, but I will say that the way > you > worded your email, the insinuations are quite clear and do not come across > with any feeling for others who are struggling. It can be very difficult for > some people to come forward and open up about their struggles and this is > one of the reasons why.>> > > Well, , I'm sorry that you took my " insinuations " that way. My point > is that behavior modification is just one of the tools that we have. It took > me a LONG time to learn that. And I am one of the biggest carboholics that > you ever hoped to meet! The point that I intended to make is that we have to > use ALL our tools, and far too many surgeons think that sending us to > " support groups " that are mostly pre-ops, trying to learn from US, is going > to teach us all we need to know. That isn't the case. If it was up to me, > we'd all be going to counseling and re-training classes for a year or more > post op. That's from MY experience. Twenty years ago, there wasn't much > available in the way of behavior modification therapy...there still isn't. > And I'm just saying, as I said before, that is what works for ME. You do > whatever you need to do to make it work for you. If that offends you, I'm > truly sorry. And I wish you the best of luck in your journey. I've done my > struggling, and I've learned to live with it, and I only hoped to share what > I have learned. > > Jac > mailto:jholdaway@... > before and after pictures at: > http://hometown.aol.com/jrandjrholdaway > http://www.pictureitdigitaldesigns.com/ > http://members.cox.net/xxxfarmpaints > > > > > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2003 Report Share Posted March 6, 2003 Sue, I am jealous! Your groups sound great. The one my doctor has are mostly for pre-ops and they look to us graduates for guidance. But where do the graduates get guidance??? Since our monthly support groups are on a night and time I can't make, I now look to this online group as my support group. So now I go to my support group every day! in San Diego Sue Barr wrote: >Just to chime in on this....I am very fortunate to have a surgeon with a strong postop program. He asks us for a 5 year comittment. That means 5 years of coming in every 6 months for office visits, labs and UGI. This hopefully means attending support group too. > >Now our support groups are somewhat different. No preops, no outsiders, no family members. Just us and Doc. Yes, he attends nearly all the support groups. We have 4 a month for the RNY, 2 for the lapband and one grad group. > >This is where he operates on our heads. Especially in the early stages when we so want to learn our new life. We discuss our problems, our frustrations, what we can and can't eat, who is still our friend and who hates us cuz we lost weight. I have become a support group junkie. I attend 3 a month and on will go to more if I feel the need. > >Our support groups is a safe place. A place we can vent, get angry, cry, laugh and learn. It's been a vital part of my success and I truly believe that those who attend support do better. It's a tough road to go alone. The journey is so much nicer with travelers who understand where you've been and where you are going. > > Well, , I'm sorry that you took my " insinuations " that way. My point > is that behavior modification is just one of the tools that we have. It took > me a LONG time to learn that. And I am one of the biggest carboholics that > you ever hoped to meet! The point that I intended to make is that we have to > use ALL our tools, and far too many surgeons think that sending us to > " support groups " that are mostly pre-ops, trying to learn from US, is going > to teach us all we need to know. That isn't the case. If it was up to me, > we'd all be going to counseling and re-training classes for a year or more > post op. That's from MY experience. Twenty years ago, there wasn't much > available in the way of behavior modification therapy...there still isn't. > And I'm just saying, as I said before, that is what works for ME. You do > whatever you need to do to make it work for you. If that offends you, I'm > truly sorry. And I wish you the best of luck in your journey. I've done my > struggling, and I've learned to live with it, and I only hoped to share what > I have learned. > > Jac > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2003 Report Share Posted March 6, 2003 Sue, I am jealous! Your groups sound great. The one my doctor has are mostly for pre-ops and they look to us graduates for guidance. But where do the graduates get guidance??? Since our monthly support groups are on a night and time I can't make, I now look to this online group as my support group. So now I go to my support group every day! in San Diego Sue Barr wrote: >Just to chime in on this....I am very fortunate to have a surgeon with a strong postop program. He asks us for a 5 year comittment. That means 5 years of coming in every 6 months for office visits, labs and UGI. This hopefully means attending support group too. > >Now our support groups are somewhat different. No preops, no outsiders, no family members. Just us and Doc. Yes, he attends nearly all the support groups. We have 4 a month for the RNY, 2 for the lapband and one grad group. > >This is where he operates on our heads. Especially in the early stages when we so want to learn our new life. We discuss our problems, our frustrations, what we can and can't eat, who is still our friend and who hates us cuz we lost weight. I have become a support group junkie. I attend 3 a month and on will go to more if I feel the need. > >Our support groups is a safe place. A place we can vent, get angry, cry, laugh and learn. It's been a vital part of my success and I truly believe that those who attend support do better. It's a tough road to go alone. The journey is so much nicer with travelers who understand where you've been and where you are going. > > Well, , I'm sorry that you took my " insinuations " that way. My point > is that behavior modification is just one of the tools that we have. It took > me a LONG time to learn that. And I am one of the biggest carboholics that > you ever hoped to meet! The point that I intended to make is that we have to > use ALL our tools, and far too many surgeons think that sending us to > " support groups " that are mostly pre-ops, trying to learn from US, is going > to teach us all we need to know. That isn't the case. If it was up to me, > we'd all be going to counseling and re-training classes for a year or more > post op. That's from MY experience. Twenty years ago, there wasn't much > available in the way of behavior modification therapy...there still isn't. > And I'm just saying, as I said before, that is what works for ME. You do > whatever you need to do to make it work for you. If that offends you, I'm > truly sorry. And I wish you the best of luck in your journey. I've done my > struggling, and I've learned to live with it, and I only hoped to share what > I have learned. > > Jac > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2003 Report Share Posted March 6, 2003 I forgot to mention that as part of the 5 year commitment he commits 5 years to us to. We also have online chat every Monday night for anyone interested in WLS. Preops and posties. Doc is usually there too! He's never more than an email away and answers us amazingly quickly if we are having problems. I consider myself very fortunate indeed. If anyone is interested in joining our online group here's the link http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DrFisherSupportGroup/ It's mostly local Las Vegas people but we have more than a few from across the US. Some chat, some lurk. All are welcome! Sue in Las Vegas Re: Slip sliding away... Sue, I am jealous! Your groups sound great. The one my doctor has are mostly for pre-ops and they look to us graduates for guidance. But where do the graduates get guidance??? Since our monthly support groups are on a night and time I can't make, I now look to this online group as my support group. So now I go to my support group every day! in San Diego Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2003 Report Share Posted March 6, 2003 I forgot to mention that as part of the 5 year commitment he commits 5 years to us to. We also have online chat every Monday night for anyone interested in WLS. Preops and posties. Doc is usually there too! He's never more than an email away and answers us amazingly quickly if we are having problems. I consider myself very fortunate indeed. If anyone is interested in joining our online group here's the link http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DrFisherSupportGroup/ It's mostly local Las Vegas people but we have more than a few from across the US. Some chat, some lurk. All are welcome! Sue in Las Vegas Re: Slip sliding away... Sue, I am jealous! Your groups sound great. The one my doctor has are mostly for pre-ops and they look to us graduates for guidance. But where do the graduates get guidance??? Since our monthly support groups are on a night and time I can't make, I now look to this online group as my support group. So now I go to my support group every day! in San Diego Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2003 Report Share Posted March 6, 2003 In a message dated 3/6/2003 10:52:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, suebarr@... writes: > Now our support groups are somewhat different. No preops, no outsiders, no > family members. Just us and Doc. Yes, he attends nearly all the support > groups. We have 4 a month for the RNY, 2 for the lapband and one grad > group. > > This is where he operates on our heads. Especially in the early stages > when we so want to learn our new life. We discuss our problems, our > frustrations, what we can and can't eat, who is still our friend and who > hates us cuz we lost weight. I have become a support group junkie. I > attend 3 a month and on will go to more if I feel the need. > WOWOW,,,What a concept. The only " support group " format I've seen was really an infomercial for pre ops. As a pre op I was truly grateful for that opportunity to learn, but it was little help in the afterlife. Perhaps in the future more practices will " finish the job " the way your doc does. Without these online groups I wonder what would have become of me. I spent the first six months post op sick as a dog. Puking everyday, tired, weak, shakey, losing my hair and ability to cope. I was living on soup and mashed potatoes, and had lost about 50 pounds. Mad as hell and depressed to boot. My doc pretty much shrugged and acted as if I was a waste of oxygen. Then I discovered the protein board, a couple other groups and learned how to cope. My 18 month anniversary was yesterday. I've lost exactly 100 pounds (HALLELUJAH!) I have decent energy and high hopes for the future. I've made peace with the fact that I am a very slow loser, but continue to lose a couple pounds every month or so and believe that will continue as long as I continue to limit the carbs, limit the quantities and push the protein. I can honestly say that I have far less hunger and cravings now than I did a year ago. Food is no longer the focal point of my life, but I do notice that in times of emotional distress, it is one of the first places that I turn to without thinking. So the key for me is not allowing myself to engage in mindless behavior. I keep it out of the house. If I'm going to mess up, it has to be a purposeful activity that at least means a trip to the store. B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2003 Report Share Posted March 6, 2003 In a message dated 3/6/2003 10:52:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, suebarr@... writes: > Now our support groups are somewhat different. No preops, no outsiders, no > family members. Just us and Doc. Yes, he attends nearly all the support > groups. We have 4 a month for the RNY, 2 for the lapband and one grad > group. > > This is where he operates on our heads. Especially in the early stages > when we so want to learn our new life. We discuss our problems, our > frustrations, what we can and can't eat, who is still our friend and who > hates us cuz we lost weight. I have become a support group junkie. I > attend 3 a month and on will go to more if I feel the need. > WOWOW,,,What a concept. The only " support group " format I've seen was really an infomercial for pre ops. As a pre op I was truly grateful for that opportunity to learn, but it was little help in the afterlife. Perhaps in the future more practices will " finish the job " the way your doc does. Without these online groups I wonder what would have become of me. I spent the first six months post op sick as a dog. Puking everyday, tired, weak, shakey, losing my hair and ability to cope. I was living on soup and mashed potatoes, and had lost about 50 pounds. Mad as hell and depressed to boot. My doc pretty much shrugged and acted as if I was a waste of oxygen. Then I discovered the protein board, a couple other groups and learned how to cope. My 18 month anniversary was yesterday. I've lost exactly 100 pounds (HALLELUJAH!) I have decent energy and high hopes for the future. I've made peace with the fact that I am a very slow loser, but continue to lose a couple pounds every month or so and believe that will continue as long as I continue to limit the carbs, limit the quantities and push the protein. I can honestly say that I have far less hunger and cravings now than I did a year ago. Food is no longer the focal point of my life, but I do notice that in times of emotional distress, it is one of the first places that I turn to without thinking. So the key for me is not allowing myself to engage in mindless behavior. I keep it out of the house. If I'm going to mess up, it has to be a purposeful activity that at least means a trip to the store. B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2003 Report Share Posted March 7, 2003 <<Jac, I thought you had valid points. What I'd like to ask you is this: You mention that you suffer from the carb monster - In the years since you have had surgery, have you found yourself gaining a few lbs. here and there? What have you done to restart weight loss? I am assuming of course that you may have gained and lost weight in that time, so please forgive me if I am wrong . The reason I ask is that I am currently fighting to restart weight loss, and none of the tried and true methods seem to be working for me. I am doing Atkins right now, but it seems as if that is only helping me to maintain at my current weight...>> Actually, , I've been very fortunate that my weight has not fluctuated more than about 10 pounds in all that time. I attribute it to the high level of physical activity I have maintained (I was a street cop for 15 of those years, and I raise, train and sometimes show horses). I hit a plateau about 2 years out, while I was in the academy, and I was just devastated! I was running 3 miles 3 days a week, doing weight training, and martial arts/self defense training, and not losing a pound...and still 20 lbs over goal. I can only attribute that to building muscle mass. As soon as I got out of the academy, my weight dropped to 145-150. At one time, about 8 years out, I got down to 135, and I'll tell you, I looked like death warmed over. I AM a carboholic. BUT, I am aware of that, and although I don't avoid carbs, I control them, and try to replace the craving with something else (remember my " Eat Pickles! " campaign?) For the last few years, if I feel the need to " snack " I usually do it with cheese and a pickle. I know...that sounds odd, but it fills me up, and for some reason, the pickle negates the craving for sugar or carbs! If I'm craving carbs, I'll try to use something at least relatively healthy...my favorite crackers are Triscuits. I sometimes wonder if I crave the crunch as much as the carbohydrates. But if I have just a couple with the cheese, it satisfies my craving. And I basically follow the same regimen in my snacking as in my meals. Eat slowly and chew a lot. I'm truly sorry that you're having problems. What is your exercise level? Before I got on the police department, and moved to my farm, I walked a lot, at least 15 minutes after a meal. I've been told, and it seemed to work for me, that walking briskly right after eating helps accelerate your metabolism (besides being good for digestion). I hope that things turn around for you, and I'll give you all the support I can! Jac ''Always saddle your own horse.''-- Connie Reeves, at age 100, upon induction to the Cowgirl Hall of Fame " Head up, heels down. " mailto:jholdaway@... http://www.pictureitdigitaldesigns.com/ http://members.cox.net/xxxfarmpaints Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2003 Report Share Posted March 7, 2003 <<Jac, I thought you had valid points. What I'd like to ask you is this: You mention that you suffer from the carb monster - In the years since you have had surgery, have you found yourself gaining a few lbs. here and there? What have you done to restart weight loss? I am assuming of course that you may have gained and lost weight in that time, so please forgive me if I am wrong . The reason I ask is that I am currently fighting to restart weight loss, and none of the tried and true methods seem to be working for me. I am doing Atkins right now, but it seems as if that is only helping me to maintain at my current weight...>> Actually, , I've been very fortunate that my weight has not fluctuated more than about 10 pounds in all that time. I attribute it to the high level of physical activity I have maintained (I was a street cop for 15 of those years, and I raise, train and sometimes show horses). I hit a plateau about 2 years out, while I was in the academy, and I was just devastated! I was running 3 miles 3 days a week, doing weight training, and martial arts/self defense training, and not losing a pound...and still 20 lbs over goal. I can only attribute that to building muscle mass. As soon as I got out of the academy, my weight dropped to 145-150. At one time, about 8 years out, I got down to 135, and I'll tell you, I looked like death warmed over. I AM a carboholic. BUT, I am aware of that, and although I don't avoid carbs, I control them, and try to replace the craving with something else (remember my " Eat Pickles! " campaign?) For the last few years, if I feel the need to " snack " I usually do it with cheese and a pickle. I know...that sounds odd, but it fills me up, and for some reason, the pickle negates the craving for sugar or carbs! If I'm craving carbs, I'll try to use something at least relatively healthy...my favorite crackers are Triscuits. I sometimes wonder if I crave the crunch as much as the carbohydrates. But if I have just a couple with the cheese, it satisfies my craving. And I basically follow the same regimen in my snacking as in my meals. Eat slowly and chew a lot. I'm truly sorry that you're having problems. What is your exercise level? Before I got on the police department, and moved to my farm, I walked a lot, at least 15 minutes after a meal. I've been told, and it seemed to work for me, that walking briskly right after eating helps accelerate your metabolism (besides being good for digestion). I hope that things turn around for you, and I'll give you all the support I can! Jac ''Always saddle your own horse.''-- Connie Reeves, at age 100, upon induction to the Cowgirl Hall of Fame " Head up, heels down. " mailto:jholdaway@... http://www.pictureitdigitaldesigns.com/ http://members.cox.net/xxxfarmpaints Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2003 Report Share Posted March 7, 2003 mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, Triscuits! Thanks, Vitalady, Inc. T www.vitalady.com If you are interested in PayPal, please click here: https://www.paypal.com/affil/pal=orders%40vitalady.com RE: Slip sliding away... > <<Jac, > I thought you had valid points. What I'd like to ask you is this: You > mention that you suffer from the carb monster - In the years since you have > had surgery, have you found yourself gaining a few lbs. here and there? > What have you done to restart weight loss? I am assuming of course that you > may have gained and lost weight in that time, so please forgive me if I am > wrong . The reason I ask is that I am currently fighting to restart > weight loss, and none of the tried and true methods seem to be working for > me. I am doing Atkins right now, but it seems as if that is only helping me > to maintain at my current weight...>> > Actually, , I've been very fortunate that my weight has not fluctuated > more than about 10 pounds in all that time. I attribute it to the high level > of physical activity I have maintained (I was a street cop for 15 of those > years, and I raise, train and sometimes show horses). I hit a plateau about > 2 years out, while I was in the academy, and I was just devastated! I was > running 3 miles 3 days a week, doing weight training, and martial arts/self > defense training, and not losing a pound...and still 20 lbs over goal. I can > only attribute that to building muscle mass. As soon as I got out of the > academy, my weight dropped to 145-150. At one time, about 8 years out, I got > down to 135, and I'll tell you, I looked like death warmed over. I AM a > carboholic. BUT, I am aware of that, and although I don't avoid carbs, I > control them, and try to replace the craving with something else (remember > my " Eat Pickles! " campaign?) For the last few years, if I feel the need to > " snack " I usually do it with cheese and a pickle. I know...that sounds odd, > but it fills me up, and for some reason, the pickle negates the craving for > sugar or carbs! If I'm craving carbs, I'll try to use something at least > relatively healthy...my favorite crackers are Triscuits. I sometimes wonder > if I crave the crunch as much as the carbohydrates. But if I have just a > couple with the cheese, it satisfies my craving. > And I basically follow the same regimen in my snacking as in my meals. Eat > slowly and chew a lot. > I'm truly sorry that you're having problems. What is your exercise level? > Before I got on the police department, and moved to my farm, I walked a lot, > at least 15 minutes after a meal. I've been told, and it seemed to work for > me, that walking briskly right after eating helps accelerate your metabolism > (besides being good for digestion). > I hope that things turn around for you, and I'll give you all the support I > can! > > Jac > > ''Always saddle your own horse.''-- Connie Reeves, at age 100, upon > induction to the Cowgirl Hall of Fame > " Head up, heels down. " > > mailto:jholdaway@... > http://www.pictureitdigitaldesigns.com/ > http://members.cox.net/xxxfarmpaints > > > > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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