Guest guest Posted March 10, 2003 Report Share Posted March 10, 2003 This is absolutely correct. My psychiatrist would not even consider putting me on this drug (Serzone) due to the liver ramifications. I was grateful that she was on her toes that much! Regards~ Jacque Distal RNY, 5/30/00 Drs. Fox and Oh 310~127 Beginning BMI 50.0 Current BMI 20.4 > Be careful with the serzone. It can cause liver damage if not monitered > carefully. I was on it for 5 years and I was beginning to feel almost > toxic. I loved the emotional leveling out. However, when I got off of > it, my kidneys no longer hurt constantly, my joints didn't hurt > constantly, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2003 Report Share Posted March 10, 2003 This is absolutely correct. My psychiatrist would not even consider putting me on this drug (Serzone) due to the liver ramifications. I was grateful that she was on her toes that much! Regards~ Jacque Distal RNY, 5/30/00 Drs. Fox and Oh 310~127 Beginning BMI 50.0 Current BMI 20.4 > Be careful with the serzone. It can cause liver damage if not monitered > carefully. I was on it for 5 years and I was beginning to feel almost > toxic. I loved the emotional leveling out. However, when I got off of > it, my kidneys no longer hurt constantly, my joints didn't hurt > constantly, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2003 Report Share Posted March 10, 2003 : Did you know that too much barbecue burn can cause Cancer. We have become so insane. I also think a lot of people don't want to feel good because they only know one way to live, therefor they find any reason to not take their meds. Just like those that can't bear to be thinner. It is hard to find a new way to live in this world. You have to really want it. Love your posts. Fay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2003 Report Share Posted March 10, 2003 : Did you know that too much barbecue burn can cause Cancer. We have become so insane. I also think a lot of people don't want to feel good because they only know one way to live, therefor they find any reason to not take their meds. Just like those that can't bear to be thinner. It is hard to find a new way to live in this world. You have to really want it. Love your posts. Fay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2003 Report Share Posted March 11, 2003 I don't understand the militancy about Serzone. Long-term or excessive use of MANY drugs, including the seemingly inocuous Tylenol, can and will damage your liver. In Europe, you can't buy Tylenol in boxes of more than 10 because so many people were committing suicide with it by destroying their livers. Think about THAT next time you shovel the 500 capsule tub of it into your cart at Costco. It seems to me that every doctor/patient pair needs to weigh the known risks of a drug against the potential benefits from it to make a decision whether or not to use a medication. There are many drugs with incredible side effects on the market because they can really help under certain conditions (botox, thalidomide, and the list goes on and on). And heck, even Viagra can kill you.. not exactly a life or death-necessity drug there. Z Open RNY 09/17/01 Weber 310/126 ________________________________ From: jacquemil@... Sent: Mon 3/10/2003 10:01 PM To: Graduate-OSSG Subject: Re: : ANTIDEPRESSANTS This is absolutely correct. My psychiatrist would not even consider putting me on this drug (Serzone) due to the liver ramifications. I was grateful that she was on her toes that much! Regards~ Jacque Distal RNY, 5/30/00 Drs. Fox and Oh 310~127 Beginning BMI 50.0 Current BMI 20.4 > Be careful with the serzone. It can cause liver damage if not monitered > carefully. I was on it for 5 years and I was beginning to feel almost > toxic. I loved the emotional leveling out. However, when I got off of > it, my kidneys no longer hurt constantly, my joints didn't hurt > constantly, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2003 Report Share Posted March 11, 2003 I don't understand the militancy about Serzone. Long-term or excessive use of MANY drugs, including the seemingly inocuous Tylenol, can and will damage your liver. In Europe, you can't buy Tylenol in boxes of more than 10 because so many people were committing suicide with it by destroying their livers. Think about THAT next time you shovel the 500 capsule tub of it into your cart at Costco. It seems to me that every doctor/patient pair needs to weigh the known risks of a drug against the potential benefits from it to make a decision whether or not to use a medication. There are many drugs with incredible side effects on the market because they can really help under certain conditions (botox, thalidomide, and the list goes on and on). And heck, even Viagra can kill you.. not exactly a life or death-necessity drug there. Z Open RNY 09/17/01 Weber 310/126 ________________________________ From: jacquemil@... Sent: Mon 3/10/2003 10:01 PM To: Graduate-OSSG Subject: Re: : ANTIDEPRESSANTS This is absolutely correct. My psychiatrist would not even consider putting me on this drug (Serzone) due to the liver ramifications. I was grateful that she was on her toes that much! Regards~ Jacque Distal RNY, 5/30/00 Drs. Fox and Oh 310~127 Beginning BMI 50.0 Current BMI 20.4 > Be careful with the serzone. It can cause liver damage if not monitered > carefully. I was on it for 5 years and I was beginning to feel almost > toxic. I loved the emotional leveling out. However, when I got off of > it, my kidneys no longer hurt constantly, my joints didn't hurt > constantly, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2003 Report Share Posted March 11, 2003 I don't see it as militant at all. I'm only saying that my psychiatrist refused to put me on it, due to the possible ramifications on my liver. I think this information is necessary for all to make a fair evaluation of their own situation, and make an informed decision. It's true, that many of us have elevated liver enzymes, which must be monitored closely. Serzone is only one of many antidepressants that could be used. Unfortunately, Tylenol is just about the only pain reliever that we can have, but I would also caution against the unrestrained use of that too. If one decides that Serzone is for them, I highly suggest they keep close tabs on the liver aspect. Regards~ Jacque Distal RNY, 5/30/00 Drs. Fox and Oh 310~127 Beginning BMI 50.0 Current BMI 20.4 > I don't understand the militancy about Serzone. Long-term or excessive use > of MANY drugs, including the seemingly inocuous Tylenol, can and will > damage your liver. In Europe, you can't buy Tylenol in boxes of more than > 10 because so many people were committing suicide with it by destroying > their livers. Think about THAT next time you shovel the 500 capsule tub of > it into your cart at Costco. > > It seems to me that every doctor/patient pair needs to weigh the known > risks of a drug against the potential benefits from it to make a decision > whether or not to use a medication. There are many drugs with incredible > side effects on the market because they can really help under certain > conditions (botox, thalidomide, and the list goes on and on). And heck, > even Viagra can kill you.. not exactly a life or death-necessity drug > there. > > Z > Open RNY 09/17/01 Weber > 310/126 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2003 Report Share Posted March 11, 2003 I don't see it as militant at all. I'm only saying that my psychiatrist refused to put me on it, due to the possible ramifications on my liver. I think this information is necessary for all to make a fair evaluation of their own situation, and make an informed decision. It's true, that many of us have elevated liver enzymes, which must be monitored closely. Serzone is only one of many antidepressants that could be used. Unfortunately, Tylenol is just about the only pain reliever that we can have, but I would also caution against the unrestrained use of that too. If one decides that Serzone is for them, I highly suggest they keep close tabs on the liver aspect. Regards~ Jacque Distal RNY, 5/30/00 Drs. Fox and Oh 310~127 Beginning BMI 50.0 Current BMI 20.4 > I don't understand the militancy about Serzone. Long-term or excessive use > of MANY drugs, including the seemingly inocuous Tylenol, can and will > damage your liver. In Europe, you can't buy Tylenol in boxes of more than > 10 because so many people were committing suicide with it by destroying > their livers. Think about THAT next time you shovel the 500 capsule tub of > it into your cart at Costco. > > It seems to me that every doctor/patient pair needs to weigh the known > risks of a drug against the potential benefits from it to make a decision > whether or not to use a medication. There are many drugs with incredible > side effects on the market because they can really help under certain > conditions (botox, thalidomide, and the list goes on and on). And heck, > even Viagra can kill you.. not exactly a life or death-necessity drug > there. > > Z > Open RNY 09/17/01 Weber > 310/126 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2003 Report Share Posted March 11, 2003 , the tylenol argument is a bit disengenuous. Europeans have a much differant attitude toward drugs alltogether. For the most part if you said your depressed they would tell you to get over it. As for not being able to buy more than 10 tylenol, you also can't buy a bag of ice in most of Europe, not toxic, just simple storage issues. The two cultures are too differant to compare. KathyM > I don't understand the militancy about Serzone. Long-term or excessive use of MANY drugs, including the seemingly inocuous Tylenol, can and will damage your liver. In Europe, you can't buy Tylenol in boxes of more than 10 because so many people were committing suicide with it by destroying their livers. Think about THAT next time you shovel the 500 capsule tub of it into your cart at Costco. > > It seems to me that every doctor/patient pair needs to weigh the known risks of a drug against the potential benefits from it to make a decision whether or not to use a medication. There are many drugs with incredible side effects on the market because they can really help under certain conditions (botox, thalidomide, and the list goes on and on). And heck, even Viagra can kill you.. not exactly a life or death-necessity drug there. > > Z > Open RNY 09/17/01 Weber > 310/126 > > ________________________________ > > From: jacquemil@a... [mailto:jacquemil@a...] > Sent: Mon 3/10/2003 10:01 PM > To: Graduate-OSSG > Subject: Re: : ANTIDEPRESSANTS > > > > This is absolutely correct. My psychiatrist would not even consider putting > me on this drug (Serzone) due to the liver ramifications. I was grateful > that she was on her toes that much! > > Regards~ > Jacque > Distal RNY, 5/30/00 > Drs. Fox and Oh > 310~127 > Beginning BMI 50.0 > Current BMI 20.4 > > > Be careful with the serzone. It can cause liver damage if not monitered > > carefully. I was on it for 5 years and I was beginning to feel almost > > toxic. I loved the emotional leveling out. However, when I got off of > > it, my kidneys no longer hurt constantly, my joints didn't hurt > > constantly, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2003 Report Share Posted March 11, 2003 , the tylenol argument is a bit disengenuous. Europeans have a much differant attitude toward drugs alltogether. For the most part if you said your depressed they would tell you to get over it. As for not being able to buy more than 10 tylenol, you also can't buy a bag of ice in most of Europe, not toxic, just simple storage issues. The two cultures are too differant to compare. KathyM > I don't understand the militancy about Serzone. Long-term or excessive use of MANY drugs, including the seemingly inocuous Tylenol, can and will damage your liver. In Europe, you can't buy Tylenol in boxes of more than 10 because so many people were committing suicide with it by destroying their livers. Think about THAT next time you shovel the 500 capsule tub of it into your cart at Costco. > > It seems to me that every doctor/patient pair needs to weigh the known risks of a drug against the potential benefits from it to make a decision whether or not to use a medication. There are many drugs with incredible side effects on the market because they can really help under certain conditions (botox, thalidomide, and the list goes on and on). And heck, even Viagra can kill you.. not exactly a life or death-necessity drug there. > > Z > Open RNY 09/17/01 Weber > 310/126 > > ________________________________ > > From: jacquemil@a... [mailto:jacquemil@a...] > Sent: Mon 3/10/2003 10:01 PM > To: Graduate-OSSG > Subject: Re: : ANTIDEPRESSANTS > > > > This is absolutely correct. My psychiatrist would not even consider putting > me on this drug (Serzone) due to the liver ramifications. I was grateful > that she was on her toes that much! > > Regards~ > Jacque > Distal RNY, 5/30/00 > Drs. Fox and Oh > 310~127 > Beginning BMI 50.0 > Current BMI 20.4 > > > Be careful with the serzone. It can cause liver damage if not monitered > > carefully. I was on it for 5 years and I was beginning to feel almost > > toxic. I loved the emotional leveling out. However, when I got off of > > it, my kidneys no longer hurt constantly, my joints didn't hurt > > constantly, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2003 Report Share Posted March 11, 2003 Faye, While I agree with you in part that we have become so totally insane about cancer, there is nothing wrong about being cautious. In the dosages that a lot of people had to use of the serzone, there may be a need to be more cautious. I was using at or above the therapeutic limit. After 5 years on the meds, I could definitely feel a difference in my body. I was fortunate enough to find another medication that worked. If I had not, I would still be on the serzone today. I would much rather be happy and die of Cancer then miserable and die from suicide. Lori Owen - Denton, Texas CHF 4/14/01 479 lbs. SRVG 7/16/01 401 lbs. Current Weight 335 Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 05:52:20 EST fbayuk@... writes: > : Did you know that too much barbecue burn can cause Cancer. We > have > become so insane. I also think a lot of people don't want to feel > good > because they only know one way to live, therefor they find any > reason to not > take their meds. Just like those that can't bear to be thinner. It > is hard > to find a new way to live in this world. You have to really want > it. > > Love your posts. > > Fay > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2003 Report Share Posted March 11, 2003 Faye, While I agree with you in part that we have become so totally insane about cancer, there is nothing wrong about being cautious. In the dosages that a lot of people had to use of the serzone, there may be a need to be more cautious. I was using at or above the therapeutic limit. After 5 years on the meds, I could definitely feel a difference in my body. I was fortunate enough to find another medication that worked. If I had not, I would still be on the serzone today. I would much rather be happy and die of Cancer then miserable and die from suicide. Lori Owen - Denton, Texas CHF 4/14/01 479 lbs. SRVG 7/16/01 401 lbs. Current Weight 335 Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce On Tue, 11 Mar 2003 05:52:20 EST fbayuk@... writes: > : Did you know that too much barbecue burn can cause Cancer. We > have > become so insane. I also think a lot of people don't want to feel > good > because they only know one way to live, therefor they find any > reason to not > take their meds. Just like those that can't bear to be thinner. It > is hard > to find a new way to live in this world. You have to really want > it. > > Love your posts. > > Fay > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2003 Report Share Posted March 11, 2003 In a message dated 3/11/2003 10:06:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, loriowen@... writes: > would much rather be > happy and die of Cancer then miserable and die from suicide That's my point. Having been on meds for 30 years, I find that changing them after a while is good regardless of the side effects. Fay Bayuk '300/173 10/23/01 Dr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2003 Report Share Posted March 11, 2003 In a message dated 3/11/2003 10:06:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, loriowen@... writes: > would much rather be > happy and die of Cancer then miserable and die from suicide That's my point. Having been on meds for 30 years, I find that changing them after a while is good regardless of the side effects. Fay Bayuk '300/173 10/23/01 Dr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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