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The flu shots contain mercury . My advise is to stay as far away from them

as your family can! Try daily vitamins or juice plus instead. Read some

amazing facts here at:

www. generationrescue.org

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my 18 year old typically developing son had the flu mist vaccine last year

and within 24 hours came down with the flu. Carolyn

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There is a mercury free flu shot. My son's DAN gives it.

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in Flu...

The flu shots contain mercury . My advise is to stay as far away from them

as your family can! Try daily vitamins or juice plus instead. Read some

amazing facts here at:

www. generationrescue. org

Jule

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In a message dated 10/25/2007 1:18:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

almae999@... writes:

My father in Law got a flu shot every year for the past 20 years at

least. He died at the age of 92 and he didn't have Alzheimer's. So I

don't know if I would believe that or not.

Wow... he was a strong person to be able to receive these shots and not have

the negative side effects.. good for him!!! I think he must have had a very

healthy immune system, much better then the average! Today is a different

story, people do not have the same immune systems as they did in previous years

as we have so many added chemicals in our foods, the animals are loaded with

growth hormones... YES we take that in when we drink the milk or eat the

beef, (unless organic) our air in many places is compromised, plastics, remote

controls, battery operated items, cell phones, computers, etc... all are

changing our environment and adding a long list of health issues with people

from

young children to adults.

Sad, but true!

Makes me want to visit Giligan's Island! : )

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, I agree with you. My son was out of school for a week, missed cross

country meets, and was put on antibiotics when bronchitis was also suspected as

a secondary infection. No flu mist for us anymore!!!

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In a message dated 10/26/2007 2:22:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

jscott@... writes:

Isn't it good for the body to contract some illnesses so that it can build

up natural immunities anyway

absolutely it is, which is why nature designed for us to get the measles and

the chickenpocks. Why are we messing with nature?

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In a message dated 10/26/2007 2:21:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

jhud2@... writes:

The flu shot recommendations are pretty new and probably

the Pharma's way to just make more money.

BINGO!

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ditto on the airborne. My older son uses it, and his colds/illnesses have

decreased substantially.

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In a message dated 10/27/2007 10:25:08 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

jhud2@... writes:

What I was saying in my other email about my children being older and not

having those shots is this:

There is no more flu, now that any other time. It's a promotion by pharma

and others to inject more people !

13-15 years ago when autism was not that prevalent, children did not get

half the injections they get today !!!

Just look at TV for 10 minutes and all you see is pharma ads for every drug

under the sun that gets rid of anything

Well said! It is funny how we don't hardly ever see commercials for tooth

paste or rice, cookies or any of the commercials we saw as a kid. That is

because pharma is in 100% control and it is not cost effective for the food

chain

to advertise their product. They can not afford it, as they have been pushed

out by the pharmas, and so what is left is " drug sales " ! This is why you

also do not see many TV related topics on autism, or PDD as the commercials in

between these shows pay for what is to be aired... get the picture?

On an aside, the drug companies are going to take control of vitamin use...

you will need to have a script for it in the future.

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My pediatrician surprised me this year. After years of poo pooing my concern

about vaccinations, suddenly this year, he told me that I needed to get

blood work down on my typically developing 8th grader and my special needs 9

year

old to see if they have enough immunity against chicken pox to mean that the

vaccination is not required. That really surprised me coming from someone

who had no problem with thermisol.

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This is the day, I'll just loose it. My dd cannot go without certain

supplements.

Big brother is in our lives more and more...............it scares the heck

out of me !

Kathy

> " On an aside, the drug companies are going to take control of vitamin

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> you will need to have a script for it in the future. "

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In a message dated 10/27/2007 9:00:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

kiddietalk@... writes:

And that's from?....Please do post and let us know.

In the meantime;

_FDA taking out your rights to vitamins? - Christian Busin_

(http://www.businessreform.com/article.php?articleID=11432) _The CODEX/CAFTA

documentary - We

Become Silent_ (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1442516/posts) _ ess

Daily_ (http://www.businessreform.com/article.php?articleID=11432)

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It is not an easy decision, and there are good arguments made by both sides

of the debate. What I like about this list is that usually posters respect

each other's viewpoints and learn from each other. I am an attorney, yet if

posters made claims against attorneys, I might disagree (probably would agree

for

the most part), but I would never not respect someone's position on an

issue. Thank you to the parents who have posted some really good points that

give

others a lot to ponder. Carolyn

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good anologies Janice! Thanks for sharing. Carolyn

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Carolyn...I appreciate the kind words...not sure if they were meant for anyone

or just in general. I guess I asked a stupid question about when to expect the

bad stuff to happen. I suppose unless there is a huge regression, I may never

know if he was adversely affected. I just wondered if the effects are

immediate or not. Aggie

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Lurking in Flu...

It is not an easy decision, and there are good arguments made by both sides

of the debate. What I like about this list is that usually posters respect

each other's viewpoints and learn from each other. I am an attorney, yet if

posters made claims against attorneys, I might disagree (probably would agree

for

the most part), but I would never not respect someone's position on an

issue. Thank you to the parents who have posted some really good points that

give

others a lot to ponder. Carolyn

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Liz, you are asking a lot of good questions, I wish I could answer. I too

think this thread has rised some good debate on the issues which should be

encouraged.

I just know that after my son had the flu mist (not the shot), I later

discovered that there was a higher risk of actually getting the flu, when

administered the mist (you just breathe it) in contrast to the shot. Carolyn

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In a message dated 10/26/2007 2:22:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

jhud2@... writes:

When I was pregnant as well they NEVER recommended a flu shot.

That's one of the most interesting things-- (your above statement)

The Pharmaceutical companies outright say that the flu shot is

CONTRA-INDICATED for pregnant women, and yet, all of the OB's around here always

push and

recommend that their OB patients get the flu shot.

It's one of the most frustrating things for me, I must admit!

I am newly pregnant, and will NOT be receiving the flu shot (or any other

one, actually).

I wouldn't even get them if I WASN'T pregnant-- I just see too many

negatives with these shots, and wouldn't take the risk

Becky

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In a message dated 10/26/2007 9:29:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

laurenrbaron@... writes:

I know that there can be serious complications from influenza

What sort of " serious complications " have you concerned?

Most of the complications that would occur are all very easily preventable

and an adult who is caring for the child can easily see them coming and can

take measures to prevent the complications.

The serious side effects of the vaccine, however, cannot be taken back and

cannot be lessened once they happen.

I truly feel it's much better to take the " risk " of handling the possible

contraction of the flu, the possible complications OF the flu, and all that

comes with that, compared to the dangers of the vaccines themselves.

JMHO of course

Becky

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In a message dated 10/27/2007 11:48:34 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

DJvirtual@... writes:

It is funny how we don't hardly ever see commercials for tooth

paste or rice, cookies or any of the commercials we saw as a kid. That is

because pharma is in 100% control and it is not cost effective for the food

chain

to advertise their product. They can not afford it, as they have been pushed

out by the pharmas, and so what is left is " drug sales " ! This is why you

also do not see many TV related topics on autism, or PDD as the commercials

in

between these shows pay for what is to be aired... get the picture?

I will NEVER forget one of the ER episodes that I was watching several years

ago.

It was on one of the childhood diseases-- I forget whether it was the

Chicken pox, but most likely was the MMR.

The child they were working on had the disease and of COURSE was dying--

(how else can they make their point and use scare tactics except through

television??) The ER Dr (actor) working on the child found out that the

parents

chose not to vaccinate their children, and the family was made out to sound

like

a bunch of moronic idiots that found out information on the internet. They

basically made that family out to look like uneducated you know whats.

(Which bothered me GREATLY)

So in the middle of the scene, the Dr looks STRAIGHT into the camera and

makes this pronouncement about the child's condition and the child possibly

DYING as a result of non-vaccinating due to this horrible disease, and then

<CUT> end of the scene-- and <CUT> to a commercial.

Anyone want to take a guess as to what the commercial was about???? If you

guessed the EXACT VACCINE THAT WOULD PREVENT THAT DISEASE-- you guessed

RIGHT! LOL

It was one of THE most blatant and outright disgusting display of Big Pharma

and the money behind the tv shows, etc.

It was so obvious that it made me laugh-- but then I got so upset because

there are MILLIONS of people who are uneducated and they watch the tv show and

get their information from that, and most likely they listened and got the

vaccine.

Very sad to think that could happen-- but it happens ALL THE TIME

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In a message dated 10/28/2007 11:51:04 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

jscott@... writes:

I had the chicken pox while Mark was in utero, you had the flu shot/dental

work while your son was in utero

<sigh> This is one of my biggest concerns right now.

I am newly pregnant (only 9 wks) Surprise! LOL

but I recently had the mercury fillings on the one side of my mouth removed.

I am hoping and praying that the toxic level in MY system won't go right to

the baby. :-(

I've got to remember to start taking that NCD (Natural Cellular Defense)

since I know that rids the body of toxins. I'm so glad that this topic came up

to remind me!!

Becky

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In a message dated 10/25/2007 1:18:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

almae999@... writes:

My father in Law got a flu shot every year for the past 20 years at

least. He died at the age of 92 and he didn't have Alzheimer's. So I

don't know if I would believe that or not.

Well, at the risk of sounding silly to some people here-- here are my

thoughts on this one.

Your father in law, dying at the ripe old age of 92, I would make a HUGE

wager on the fact that he had a very strong and functioning immune system and

that naturally he was a healthier person (overall) than the majority of people

out there.

The fact that he got the flu shot for 20 yrs and could handle that amount of

toxins in his system tells me a lot right there.

Becky

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In a message dated 10/25/2007 11:41:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

stephanee_a@... writes:

Also note, unless things have changed since last year, the flu

vaccine is contraindicated (do not give) for persons who are

allergic to eggs.

Just FYI in case someone missed my earlier post saying this-- but the Flu

shots are also

contraindicated for PREGNANT women.

Becky

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In a message dated 10/28/2007 11:01:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

jscott@... writes:

You need to get on damage control immediately! RESEARCH Epsom Salts baths.

If they are okay then do LOTS and LOTS of Epsom Salts baths, 3 times a week,

just like is recommended for kids on the spectrum

I already know that hot baths are " out " according to my OB. The water is

too hot and rises the temperature of the body which rises the temp for the

baby as well. So can't do the baths now (unless it's 98 degrees which we know

won't happen)

bek

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In a message dated 10/28/2007 11:01:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

jscott@... writes:

When in your pregnancy did the dental work occur?

The actual dental work was done BEFORE I became pregnant-- by a couple of

weeks.

My 1st appt to do the lower left side was 8/14 and the 2nd appt for the

upper left side was 8/28

and my LMP was 8/26

so it wasn't DURING the pregnancy-- **BUT** of course the metals would be in

my system right at the beginning of the developmental stages (which are still

going on now at 9 wks of course)

becky

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In a message dated 10/28/2007 11:00:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

kiddietalk@... writes:

on this group have already upset one grandmother -so just

stop fighting about it.

I thought I'd just mention publicly that I haven't seen anyone arguing

about this issue right now. I've felt that all the statements people have made

have been their personal experiences and opinions, and have been kind. Maybe

I've missed some posts? I haven't seen anyone arguing or getting upset at the

others and think that this touchy subject has been handled very well,

actually.

Becky

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