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[Guest guest]

Initially, I was very excited when the Gardisal vaccine was developed. I have

had many friends who had precancerous lesions due to HPV and I have had them

myself between my first and second pregnancies. The PAP smear proved effective

in detection for all of us and then of course, one has to undergo cryotherapy

(which is not really much of a procedure) to freeze the cells and kill them. If

it is contracted and not detected until later, you then have to have them burned

off. You are then monitored for a couple of years and have PAP smears every six

months to ensure that the irregular cells do not reappear. Luckily, this is a

very slow growing infection. The doctors feel that I actually contracted during

the birth of my first child? Not sure about that one but.... Of course, if one

does not have regular PAP smears, there is a very real danger that the cells can

pass into stage 4 or 5 and become true cervical cancer. So.... it truly is

essential that our girls understand the importance of regular PAP smears as HPV

is everywhere. I think they estimate that an extremely high number of men are

natural carriers (ie. something like 80%.... a crazy number to be sure).

I was definately going to have my girl vaccinated with this until I started to

read. This vaccine is not proving to be completely safe and even the physicians

are coming out against it. There are documented instances where young ladies

are actually passing out after having been vaccinated on the way home in the

car!

So, while the 'idea' of a vaccination against HPV is fantastic; I am definately

not going to use my child as a guinea pig for the rest of society. I am not

sold that this vaccine is safe. I worry that the 'testing' of this vaccine has

not been strigent enough to ensure the safety of our girls.

Janice

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This year, our pediatrician also mentioned the vaccine for cervical cancer.

I know other moms have said they are waiting on this one, but wondering if

anyone has had the vaccine. carolyn

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hi,

i also watched that particular er episode also. i live in NH. However the

disease they were talking about was not the mmr or chickenpox it was something

else much worse because i can not remembe rthe exact disiease it was . but it

required the whole entire er staff to be quarentined. it was a disease i

remember correctly the child got from some type of exposure to it over seas

somehow.

tbniesh@... wrote:

In a message dated 10/27/2007 11:48:34 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

DJvirtual@... writes:

It is funny how we don't hardly ever see commercials for tooth

paste or rice, cookies or any of the commercials we saw as a kid. That is

because pharma is in 100% control and it is not cost effective for the food

chain

to advertise their product. They can not afford it, as they have been pushed

out by the pharmas, and so what is left is " drug sales " ! This is why you

also do not see many TV related topics on autism, or PDD as the commercials

in

between these shows pay for what is to be aired... get the picture?

I will NEVER forget one of the ER episodes that I was watching several years

ago.

It was on one of the childhood diseases-- I forget whether it was the

Chicken pox, but most likely was the MMR.

The child they were working on had the disease and of COURSE was dying--

(how else can they make their point and use scare tactics except through

television??) The ER Dr (actor) working on the child found out that the parents

chose not to vaccinate their children, and the family was made out to sound like

a bunch of moronic idiots that found out information on the internet. They

basically made that family out to look like uneducated you know whats.

(Which bothered me GREATLY)

So in the middle of the scene, the Dr looks STRAIGHT into the camera and

makes this pronouncement about the child's condition and the child possibly

DYING as a result of non-vaccinating due to this horrible disease, and then

<CUT> end of the scene-- and <CUT> to a commercial.

Anyone want to take a guess as to what the commercial was about???? If you

guessed the EXACT VACCINE THAT WOULD PREVENT THAT DISEASE-- you guessed

RIGHT! LOL

It was one of THE most blatant and outright disgusting display of Big Pharma

and the money behind the tv shows, etc.

It was so obvious that it made me laugh-- but then I got so upset because

there are MILLIONS of people who are uneducated and they watch the tv show and

get their information from that, and most likely they listened and got the

vaccine.

Very sad to think that could happen-- but it happens ALL THE TIME

Becky

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[Guest guest]

Hi again everyone,

Just to let you all know this. i am not for or against vaccinating our

children. I believe in all of you on this board and support all our efforts in

trying to help all our children who all in varying degrees suffer from the same

things svere speech disorders of some type. I phrase it this way as to not step

on anyones toes here. We all have the same things in common here trying to do

what is best for our children as a whole. Keep in mind I personally chose to

fully immunize my child but for different reasons than many would think. I chose

to due so cause I came so very close to my son dying at birth when my son was

born that I decided I would do everything possible to keep him alive. I think I

am actually one of the lucky parents when I think of my son and his problems. I

still have my son alive today and for that I am greatful. My son does not have

autism (been checked and evaluated many times) . He does however I admit have

some things on the spectrum though.

Yes I am choosing to give him a Flu shot only due to his asthma. However i am

not getting one myself though. I asked for a mercury free vaccine and will make

sure before iot is given to ask to see the package and the bottle it came in and

ask tons of questions before the shot is given and before I sign permission for

it.

aigjr@... wrote:

good anologies Janice! Thanks for sharing. Carolyn

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Thanks Joy for your response. I hope you are doing well. Carolyn

>

> I have not but I have helped others get it. I know some here will

disagree

> but this is one vaccine I believe in. As a child I contracted HPV ( the

> doctors guesstimate age 6, yes I was abused) by 25 I had cervical cancer.

If

> More girls can get this and prevent this disease from steal another girls

> fertility then I am all for it. In our society today many girls have been

or

> will be abused children with special health care needs are especially

> vunerable, it will devastate them and turn their lives apart, do not let

> this be one more thing that the abuser did to them. I encourage evy mom to

> do this for their daughters. JMHO

>

>

> 

>

> Joy

> Date: 10/30/2007 6:42:27 AM

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If you already had it the shot can't cure it so no you can not get it. Makes

sense



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I have to agree with Janice. I had two LEAPS myself due to dysplasia and my

doctor really dissuaded me from getting the shot.

Sharon

Janice <jscott@...> wrote:

Initially, I was very excited when the Gardisal vaccine was developed. I

have had many friends who had precancerous lesions due to HPV and I have had

them myself between my first and second pregnancies. The PAP smear proved

effective in detection for all of us and then of course, one has to undergo

cryotherapy (which is not really much of a procedure) to freeze the cells

and kill them. If it is contracted and not detected until later, you then

have to have them burned off. You are then monitored for a couple of years

and have PAP smears every six months to ensure that the irregular cells do

not reappear. Luckily, this is a very slow growing infection. The doctors

feel that I actually contracted during the birth of my first child? Not sure

about that one but.... Of course, if one does not have regular PAP smears,

there is a very real danger that the cells can pass into stage 4 or 5 and

become true cervical cancer. So.... it truly is essential that our girls

understand the importance of regular PAP smears as HPV is everywhere. I

think they estimate that an extremely high number of men are natural

carriers (ie. something like 80%.... a crazy number to be sure).

I was definately going to have my girl vaccinated with this until I started

to read. This vaccine is not proving to be completely safe and even the

physicians are coming out against it. There are documented instances where

young ladies are actually passing out after having been vaccinated on the

way home in the car!

So, while the 'idea' of a vaccination against HPV is fantastic; I am

definately not going to use my child as a guinea pig for the rest of society

I am not sold that this vaccine is safe. I worry that the 'testing' of this

vaccine has not been strigent enough to ensure the safety of our girls.

Janice

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Danger Lurking in Flu...

This year, our pediatrician also mentioned the vaccine for cervical cancer.

I know other moms have said they are waiting on this one, but wondering if

anyone has had the vaccine. carolyn

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/30/2007 11:28:25 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

jscott@... writes:

was definately going to have my girl vaccinated with this until I started to

read. This vaccine is not proving to be completely safe and even the

physicians are coming out against it

I know that our Ped's (who are PRO-Vaccine) are totally AGAINST this new

one for girls

Becky

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In a message dated 10/30/2007 3:18:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

jamie199866@... writes:

i also watched that particular er episode also. i live in NH. However the

disease they were talking about was not the mmr or chickenpox it was something

else much worse because i can not remembe rthe exact disiease it was . but it

required the whole entire er staff to be quarentined. it was a disease i

remember correctly the child got from some type of exposure to it over seas

somehow.

Nope-- that was yet *another* episode that they did on a disease. I know

the one you're referring to, but the one I'm talking about was DEFINITELY one

for either the CP or MMR

Becky

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[Guest guest]

thank you i appreciate it. I also am glad I have my son. he is a great child and

is very thoughtful of others. i do feel good about my decisions so far with my

son. However I too also struggle daily with wondering if all the services my son

receives is enough to help him.

ilizzy03 <lizlaw@...> wrote: I am so glad you have your son.

You should feel good about your

decision as it is yours and yours alone to make.

> good anologies Janice! Thanks for sharing. Carolyn

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>

[Guest guest]

Becky, did the dr's say what their concerns are about the vaccine for the

virus that causes cervical cancer? I would be interested because my niece may be

getting it soon.Thanks, Carolyn

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In a message dated 11/1/2007 1:30:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

aigjr@... writes:

Becky, did the dr's say what their concerns are about the vaccine for the

virus that causes cervical cancer? I would be interested because my niece

may be

getting it soon.Thanks, Carolyn

I know that one of them mentioned that it would give people a " false sense

of security " , and that it wasn't protection against cervical cancer, and he

did NOT like how it was being marketed as such. It's supposed to help prevent

the VIRUS that *could* cause cervical cancer, not cervical cancer itself. That

seemed to really bother him that people don't seem to know the difference,

and he felt that it would give women a feeling as though they would be " safe "

and that there were no guarantees that it would ever prevent cervical cancer.

That was the younger Dr.

The Senior Partner was adamant against it (oddly enough he is also HIGHLY

against the HEP B shot given to infants, and feels that it should only be

given to those who are older. BUT-- I remember him pushing the Rotavirus

vaccine

on me and I declined. He later admitted to me that I was right to go on my

gut with that one, and they ceased giving that one due to the many problems

connected with that .- then the vaccine was pulled)

I believe that his concern was that it was a new vaccine and there are

always serious concerns when you're introducing a new vaccine. He has always

felt

a little hesitant about new ones until there are a few years behind it with a

few years also showing him personally if people have bad reactions etc. I

do know that he mentioned the same as the first Dr. (the way it's being

marketed and also feeling that some girls/women will feel as though it even

gives

them more sexual freedoms if they think they are " safe " , and that would open

them up to OTHER problems in addition to the HPV) and I know that he mentioned

that he has heard of several adverse reactions to this vaccine, and he

personally would NOT give it to his teen daughter.

THAT alone told me something right there. He is PRO-vaccination, so keep

that in mind, and he said outright that he would NOT give this one to his

daughter. If I heard nothing else about this particular vaccine, hearing that

comment alone would give me just cause to not give it to my own children, since

he's been in practice for many many years

hope that helps--

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Becky. Your doctors seem to make sense. I often ask a doctor that

question.. " What would you do if this were your child? " They can just give us

their opinions, but when I put the question to them like that, I often get a new

outlook on matters. Carolyn

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In a message dated 11/1/2007 8:59:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

aigjr@... writes:

Thanks Becky. Your doctors seem to make sense. I often ask a doctor that

question.. " What would you do if this were your child? " They can just give us

their opinions, but when I put the question to them like that, I often get a

new

outlook on matters. Carolyn

I know that when they WON'T give it to their own kids-- that's a tell-tale

sign. I remember though, he DID push that Rotavirus one at me, which I

mentioned, and he was totally in agreement to giving that to his own children,

and

it was a pretty bad vaccine on a whole. so it's a toss up sometimes-- but if

they say they definitely won't give it -- that's a definite for me

Becky

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Becky, totally agree with you! There have been times when surgeries or other

medical procedures were being discussed with me by various doctors for my

daughter, and often they will say of course the decision is up to you..that's

when I ask what they would do if this were their child. I remember one ENT who

said he would NOT do the procedure if this were his child. So, I appreciated

his honesty and it ended up being the right decision.Carolyn

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Hi everyone,

A flu question....I am sorry if this was brought up already, but...

how about the flu mist????

I just got off the phone with Kaiser...they do not have the thimerosol free

injection (Ben had that last year). They now only offer the mist which is

also thimerosol free, recommended for the 2-5 year group. I don't know what

to do! Boulder county already has reported 1 case this year which is

earlier than normal...just 4 years ago we had the highest mortality rate (I

think) in the country. I am preparing for the worst.

Jess in CO

On 11/2/07, aigjr@... <aigjr@...> wrote:

>

> Becky, totally agree with you! There have been times when surgeries or

> other

> medical procedures were being discussed with me by various doctors for my

> daughter, and often they will say of course the decision is up to

> you..that's

> when I ask what they would do if this were their child. I remember one ENT

> who

> said he would NOT do the procedure if this were his child. So, I

> appreciated

> his honesty and it ended up being the right decision.Carolyn

>

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>

[Guest guest]

All I can tell you about flu mist is this....

It is thimerasol free. Until recently is wasn't approved for kids as

young as 2. They had a hard time getting the FDA to approve it for

kids that young because of production problems in their plants.

There was a high contamination level (contaminated with bacteria) in

the samples tested. The company made corrections, FDA tested again.

It took more than a few rounds for the FDA to approve it for kids

that young.

Now... that approval was not given because of the contamination on

the production line, not because of concerns with the vaccine itself,

VAERS reports/reactions, etc.

If you want your child to get the injection but get the thimerasol

free form do the following....

check your local health department and see if they have the

individual doses in stock. Since the health departments are in

charge of vaccinating the infants and the infants have to have the

individual doses, they are pretty much a " sure bet " . You'll have to

speak to one of the nursing staff, the receptionists will only know

that they do or don't have vaccines.

or

go to another facility and pay out of pocket for the vaccine as it

seems Kaiser has decided that they will not cover any thimerasol free

flu vaccines in your area. (And I'm shocked by this because just 2

years ago most private insurance plans would not cover any flumist

because the shot is much cheaper. Kaiser and Cigna were the worst

offenders!).

Regarding the flu mist for a very young child....

I know the FDA says it is safe, effective, etc. And besides the

contamination reports I don't have concerns about it. But it is

often very hard to correctly administer that silly thing to a

cooperative 6 year old. Heaven help the poor nurse who has to try to

administer that to an uncooperative 2 year old. Heaven. Help.

Them!!!!! If flu mist isn't administered correctly it isn't as

effective. So..... I'm not sure it is worth the wrestling match.

I know if I wanted Grace to receive that thing (and she's 3.5

years) I have absolutely zero chance of that happening. There is no

way I'd ever get that thing shot up her nose. No way whatsoever!

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On Nov 2, 2007, at 6:55 PM, Dion wrote:

> Hi everyone,

> A flu question....I am sorry if this was brought up already, but...

> how about the flu mist????

>

> I just got off the phone with Kaiser...they do not have the

> thimerosol free

> injection (Ben had that last year). They now only offer the mist

> which is

> also thimerosol free, recommended for the 2-5 year group. I don't

> know what

> to do! Boulder county already has reported 1 case this year which is

> earlier than normal...just 4 years ago we had the highest mortality

> rate (I

> think) in the country. I am preparing for the worst.

>

> Jess in CO

>

> On 11/2/07, aigjr@... <aigjr@...> wrote:

> >

> > Becky, totally agree with you! There have been times when

> surgeries or

> > other

> > medical procedures were being discussed with me by various

> doctors for my

> > daughter, and often they will say of course the decision is up to

> > you..that's

> > when I ask what they would do if this were their child. I

> remember one ENT

> > who

> > said he would NOT do the procedure if this were his child. So, I

> > appreciated

> > his honesty and it ended up being the right decision.Carolyn

> >

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> > http://www.aol.com

> >

> >