Guest guest Posted April 9, 2003 Report Share Posted April 9, 2003 What upsets me most is that these doctors think this is a new discovery, that obese children have a lesser quality of life. How stupid can they be? in NJ ******************* > I hope that everyone will click the link below, read it and let's get our heads together and think of something we can do. Maybe we could speak in schools, maybe mentor obese children, something anything. > Randy > http://www.cnn.com/2003/HEALTH/04/08/childhood.obesity.ap/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2003 Report Share Posted April 9, 2003 What upsets me most is that these doctors think this is a new discovery, that obese children have a lesser quality of life. How stupid can they be? in NJ ******************* > I hope that everyone will click the link below, read it and let's get our heads together and think of something we can do. Maybe we could speak in schools, maybe mentor obese children, something anything. > Randy > http://www.cnn.com/2003/HEALTH/04/08/childhood.obesity.ap/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2003 Report Share Posted April 9, 2003 It's not the children's fault at all. I grew up with a skinny sister. How can you deny 1 child and not the other. That's exactly what makes the obese child feel different, lonely, sad and like an outcast. That's what leads to closet eating to soothe the pain. My parents never did that to me, but I certainly experienced it outside my home. It's a feeling that stays with you your entire life. My heart goes out to these sweet kids. It took me until I started investigating WLS, at about the ripe old age of 45, to realize that it was never my fault. You should never deny just 1 child. If you deny at all, it should be the whole family. in NJ ********************** > > You know maybe it is not all the children fault that they are over weight, I listen to my sister in law talk about about my niece being a little chunkier than her other 6 kids and i ask her then why are you letting her eat all the crap that " you " give her ? I get no answer. I was there when the other kids were little- The family didnt have the extra money back then to buy the wrong types of foods, but now The family is doing better in the money department and the food just got lousier and my niece is just enjoying it a little to much and they never tell her no. > tara > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2003 Report Share Posted April 9, 2003 It's not the children's fault at all. I grew up with a skinny sister. How can you deny 1 child and not the other. That's exactly what makes the obese child feel different, lonely, sad and like an outcast. That's what leads to closet eating to soothe the pain. My parents never did that to me, but I certainly experienced it outside my home. It's a feeling that stays with you your entire life. My heart goes out to these sweet kids. It took me until I started investigating WLS, at about the ripe old age of 45, to realize that it was never my fault. You should never deny just 1 child. If you deny at all, it should be the whole family. in NJ ********************** > > You know maybe it is not all the children fault that they are over weight, I listen to my sister in law talk about about my niece being a little chunkier than her other 6 kids and i ask her then why are you letting her eat all the crap that " you " give her ? I get no answer. I was there when the other kids were little- The family didnt have the extra money back then to buy the wrong types of foods, but now The family is doing better in the money department and the food just got lousier and my niece is just enjoying it a little to much and they never tell her no. > tara > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2003 Report Share Posted April 9, 2003 My experience with some doctors, pretty stupid. I keep hoping that it is a lack of common sense but ya never know. Lori Owen - Denton, Texas CHF 4/14/01 479 lbs. SRVG 7/16/01 401 lbs. Current Weight 335 Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce On Wed, 09 Apr 2003 11:21:02 -0000 " watnext2001 " writes: > What upsets me most is that these doctors think this is a new > discovery, that obese children have a lesser quality of life. How > stupid can they be? > > in NJ > ******************* > > > I hope that everyone will click the link below, read it and let's > > get our heads together and think of something we can do. Maybe we > could speak in schools, maybe mentor obese children, something > anything. > > Randy > > > http://www.cnn.com/2003/HEALTH/04/08/childhood.obesity.ap/index.html > > > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2003 Report Share Posted April 9, 2003 My experience with some doctors, pretty stupid. I keep hoping that it is a lack of common sense but ya never know. Lori Owen - Denton, Texas CHF 4/14/01 479 lbs. SRVG 7/16/01 401 lbs. Current Weight 335 Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce On Wed, 09 Apr 2003 11:21:02 -0000 " watnext2001 " writes: > What upsets me most is that these doctors think this is a new > discovery, that obese children have a lesser quality of life. How > stupid can they be? > > in NJ > ******************* > > > I hope that everyone will click the link below, read it and let's > > get our heads together and think of something we can do. Maybe we > could speak in schools, maybe mentor obese children, something > anything. > > Randy > > > http://www.cnn.com/2003/HEALTH/04/08/childhood.obesity.ap/index.html > > > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2003 Report Share Posted April 9, 2003 At 17 months out, I have lost a lot of weight and have done really well with the surgery. My 9-year old daughter is " chunky " . At home we don't diet but we do discuss nutrition and try to make healthy choices. Fruit is always available in the house and when we go to the store, she knows she is required to check fat grams before even asking if something can come home with us. I try not to make any food taboo and most days she packs a lunch since the school puts out a lot of junk food. Even so, I see the pattern starting with her getting heavier and heavier every year. A friend of mine who has always been slim watched me have the surgery and lose my weight. She congratulates me on my loss but I don't think she understands the problem we face. She can't believe that I am letting my daughter get so overweight when I " obviously " know how to be slim. I don't know how to be slim. All I know is that it took surgically rearranging my insides to appear " normal " . I don't know what to do for my daughter except continue to encourage good eating habits and exercise. My daughter is not eating that much and what she is eating is healthy, appropriate choices for the most part. (She gets spoiled at her grandparents but that is only once a month.) I am afraid to " encourage " any harder but scared that it is only a matter of time until she will need the same solution I have found. B. 302/142 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2003 Report Share Posted April 9, 2003 At 17 months out, I have lost a lot of weight and have done really well with the surgery. My 9-year old daughter is " chunky " . At home we don't diet but we do discuss nutrition and try to make healthy choices. Fruit is always available in the house and when we go to the store, she knows she is required to check fat grams before even asking if something can come home with us. I try not to make any food taboo and most days she packs a lunch since the school puts out a lot of junk food. Even so, I see the pattern starting with her getting heavier and heavier every year. A friend of mine who has always been slim watched me have the surgery and lose my weight. She congratulates me on my loss but I don't think she understands the problem we face. She can't believe that I am letting my daughter get so overweight when I " obviously " know how to be slim. I don't know how to be slim. All I know is that it took surgically rearranging my insides to appear " normal " . I don't know what to do for my daughter except continue to encourage good eating habits and exercise. My daughter is not eating that much and what she is eating is healthy, appropriate choices for the most part. (She gets spoiled at her grandparents but that is only once a month.) I am afraid to " encourage " any harder but scared that it is only a matter of time until she will need the same solution I have found. B. 302/142 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2003 Report Share Posted April 9, 2003 In a message dated 4/9/2003 9:21:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, jbryant1@... writes: > I am afraid to " encourage " any harder but scared that it is only > a matter of time until she will need the same solution I have found I used to tell my daughter that she was lucky with her inherited genes. She got beauty, intelligence, good health, Some poor folks only get the thin gene. Fay Bayuk **300/173 10/23/01 Dr. Open RNY 150 cm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2003 Report Share Posted April 9, 2003 In a message dated 4/9/2003 9:21:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, jbryant1@... writes: > I am afraid to " encourage " any harder but scared that it is only > a matter of time until she will need the same solution I have found I used to tell my daughter that she was lucky with her inherited genes. She got beauty, intelligence, good health, Some poor folks only get the thin gene. Fay Bayuk **300/173 10/23/01 Dr. Open RNY 150 cm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2003 Report Share Posted April 12, 2003 Folks, I have avoided getting involved in these discussions in the past, because I know that it generates a lot of heat. Unfortunately I believe that there are two issues that you are forgetting. Issue one is the National Institute of Health Consensus report of 1990 which reported that diet programs were successful between 3 and 5 percent of the time. The second issue is that must be taken into consideration is heredity. Man evolved under conditions of feast or famine. When food was available, man had to eat as much as possible to get through the times of famine. Those who had the slowest metabolism which enabled them to survive the famine time were those who lived to have children. We now live in a time of perpetual feast which causes obesity in all of us. WLS is an opportunity for us to combat our heredity. Good luck Sue --- lee wrote: > hi group,this is lee, ryn12/6/96, > was just reading all the comments on obese kids, > and yes indeed it is very > sad,, like alot of you i was a obese child, but i > personally dont think we need > to send our children esp the young ones in for the > bypasss,,thats a big > surgery,a huge one, and yes there are complications, > I know alot of people > say ug when they see my name from some of my > previous posts and my > down fall to having the bypass, my own daughter is > overweuight but before i > ever let her no let me correct that i will nenver > let her have this surgery why > not try a good diet, exercise, activities at > school, they can loose the weight,I > know some will say Ive tried but cant loose it, > well mabe they need to try > another diet or more exercise geet them more > involved in outdoor activities, > it just seems to me really sad that a parent is > willing n agreeing to let a > minor chil have this surgery,it is very > dangerous,im not bashing it by all > means im just thinking of the kids ,it just dont > seem right im sorry but like > we all know were all entitiled to out > opinions,thank you for letting me vent > as usuall, hope all are doing well, and all > have a wonderful easter ,,,,,lee > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2003 Report Share Posted April 12, 2003 Folks, I have avoided getting involved in these discussions in the past, because I know that it generates a lot of heat. Unfortunately I believe that there are two issues that you are forgetting. Issue one is the National Institute of Health Consensus report of 1990 which reported that diet programs were successful between 3 and 5 percent of the time. The second issue is that must be taken into consideration is heredity. Man evolved under conditions of feast or famine. When food was available, man had to eat as much as possible to get through the times of famine. Those who had the slowest metabolism which enabled them to survive the famine time were those who lived to have children. We now live in a time of perpetual feast which causes obesity in all of us. WLS is an opportunity for us to combat our heredity. Good luck Sue --- lee wrote: > hi group,this is lee, ryn12/6/96, > was just reading all the comments on obese kids, > and yes indeed it is very > sad,, like alot of you i was a obese child, but i > personally dont think we need > to send our children esp the young ones in for the > bypasss,,thats a big > surgery,a huge one, and yes there are complications, > I know alot of people > say ug when they see my name from some of my > previous posts and my > down fall to having the bypass, my own daughter is > overweuight but before i > ever let her no let me correct that i will nenver > let her have this surgery why > not try a good diet, exercise, activities at > school, they can loose the weight,I > know some will say Ive tried but cant loose it, > well mabe they need to try > another diet or more exercise geet them more > involved in outdoor activities, > it just seems to me really sad that a parent is > willing n agreeing to let a > minor chil have this surgery,it is very > dangerous,im not bashing it by all > means im just thinking of the kids ,it just dont > seem right im sorry but like > we all know were all entitiled to out > opinions,thank you for letting me vent > as usuall, hope all are doing well, and all > have a wonderful easter ,,,,,lee > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2003 Report Share Posted April 12, 2003 I really hadn't thought about that. I got to thinking, I have joked about the fact that I have my paternal grandmother's body and my maternal grandmother's coloring. The importance of this is that my paternal grandmother is 5/8 Cherokee Indian and my maternal grandmother is of Scandinavian decent. I often wonder if the Cherokee had to survive that feast or famine struggle much longer then most. It is extremely difficult to find a full blood or half blood Indian that doesn't have a weight issue. I am not saying there isn't any but it is just hard to find. Lori Owen - Denton, Texas CHF 4/14/01 479 lbs. SRVG 7/16/01 401 lbs. Current Weight 335 Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce On Sat, 12 Apr 2003 07:18:33 -0700 (PDT) SUE FINKELSTEIN writes: > Folks, > > I have avoided getting involved in these discussions > in the past, because I know that it generates a lot of > heat. Unfortunately I believe that there are two > issues that you are forgetting. Issue one is the > National Institute of Health Consensus report of 1990 > which reported that diet programs were successful > between 3 and 5 percent of the time. The second issue > is that must be taken into consideration is heredity. > Man evolved under conditions of feast or famine. When > food was available, man had to eat as much as possible > to get through the times of famine. Those who had the > slowest metabolism which enabled them to survive the > famine time were those who lived to have children. We > now live in a time of perpetual feast which causes > obesity in all of us. WLS is an opportunity for us to > combat our heredity. > > Good luck > > Sue > --- lee wrote: > > hi group,this is lee, ryn12/6/96, > > was just reading all the comments on obese kids, > > and yes indeed it is very > > sad,, like alot of you i was a obese child, but i > > personally dont think we need > > to send our children esp the young ones in for the > > bypasss,,thats a big > > surgery,a huge one, and yes there are complications, > > I know alot of people > > say ug when they see my name from some of my > > previous posts and my > > down fall to having the bypass, my own daughter is > > overweuight but before i > > ever let her no let me correct that i will nenver > > let her have this surgery why > > not try a good diet, exercise, activities at > > school, they can loose the weight,I > > know some will say Ive tried but cant loose it, > > well mabe they need to try > > another diet or more exercise geet them more > > involved in outdoor activities, > it just seems to me really sad that a parent is > > willing n agreeing to let a > > minor chil have this surgery,it is very > > dangerous,im not bashing it by all > > means im just thinking of the kids ,it just dont > > seem right im sorry but like > > we all know were all entitiled to out > > opinions,thank you for letting me vent > > as usuall, hope all are doing well, and all > > have a wonderful easter ,,,,,lee > > > > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2003 Report Share Posted April 12, 2003 I really hadn't thought about that. I got to thinking, I have joked about the fact that I have my paternal grandmother's body and my maternal grandmother's coloring. The importance of this is that my paternal grandmother is 5/8 Cherokee Indian and my maternal grandmother is of Scandinavian decent. I often wonder if the Cherokee had to survive that feast or famine struggle much longer then most. It is extremely difficult to find a full blood or half blood Indian that doesn't have a weight issue. I am not saying there isn't any but it is just hard to find. Lori Owen - Denton, Texas CHF 4/14/01 479 lbs. SRVG 7/16/01 401 lbs. Current Weight 335 Dr. Ritter/Dr. Bryce On Sat, 12 Apr 2003 07:18:33 -0700 (PDT) SUE FINKELSTEIN writes: > Folks, > > I have avoided getting involved in these discussions > in the past, because I know that it generates a lot of > heat. Unfortunately I believe that there are two > issues that you are forgetting. Issue one is the > National Institute of Health Consensus report of 1990 > which reported that diet programs were successful > between 3 and 5 percent of the time. The second issue > is that must be taken into consideration is heredity. > Man evolved under conditions of feast or famine. When > food was available, man had to eat as much as possible > to get through the times of famine. Those who had the > slowest metabolism which enabled them to survive the > famine time were those who lived to have children. We > now live in a time of perpetual feast which causes > obesity in all of us. WLS is an opportunity for us to > combat our heredity. > > Good luck > > Sue > --- lee wrote: > > hi group,this is lee, ryn12/6/96, > > was just reading all the comments on obese kids, > > and yes indeed it is very > > sad,, like alot of you i was a obese child, but i > > personally dont think we need > > to send our children esp the young ones in for the > > bypasss,,thats a big > > surgery,a huge one, and yes there are complications, > > I know alot of people > > say ug when they see my name from some of my > > previous posts and my > > down fall to having the bypass, my own daughter is > > overweuight but before i > > ever let her no let me correct that i will nenver > > let her have this surgery why > > not try a good diet, exercise, activities at > > school, they can loose the weight,I > > know some will say Ive tried but cant loose it, > > well mabe they need to try > > another diet or more exercise geet them more > > involved in outdoor activities, > it just seems to me really sad that a parent is > > willing n agreeing to let a > > minor chil have this surgery,it is very > > dangerous,im not bashing it by all > > means im just thinking of the kids ,it just dont > > seem right im sorry but like > > we all know were all entitiled to out > > opinions,thank you for letting me vent > > as usuall, hope all are doing well, and all > > have a wonderful easter ,,,,,lee > > > > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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