Guest guest Posted April 15, 2003 Report Share Posted April 15, 2003 Got a question..... Has anyone found any research concerning absorption of nutrients from foods after WLS.... My doctors say I don't malabsorb as much as I think I do (165 cm bypassed), and that the intestine tends to " learn " to absorb what the bypassed portion doesn't, over a period of time. Hmmmm... I wonder how true this is.... I'm wondering about this since myself and a few other's here are bodybuilding now.... I need lot's of nutrients, lots of protein and lot's other foods just to maintain my weight and muscle tissue..... All the fitness mags have great info on eating and bodybuilding, but, how much applies to us? Any info would be great..... Please post to the group (if you're a grad..lol.. If not then private will work) since other's here are wondering about this also..... Thanks in advance, Randy ------------------------------------ Beyond Change excerpts Smaller doses taken more often, whether in food or supplementation, are more effective than one large dose, as only 10-30% is absorbed at one time. Loose powder, liquid, or quick dissolving tabs usually allow for greater absorption. (what about chewables?) Chelated minerals are better absorbed than non-chelated. (Sally Myers) Low carb eating plan info and support: www.lowcarbluxury.com from Part I (July 2002) " Nutrient deficiencies following bariatric surgical procedures can lead to serious health consequences if left unattended. The provision of knowledge to bariatric surgical candidates of the nutrient deficiencies associated with their particular surgical procedure and the steps necessary to avoid their occurrence is the responsibility of the bariatric surgeon and his/her staff. Taking those steps, however, is solely the responsibility of the patient. Do you take your vitamin/mineral supplements on a daily basis and in the amounts recommended? Is your body losing bone because you can't remember to take your calcium? Does your body feel tired and run down because you refuse to take iron? Is your hair falling out and are your muscles diminishing in size because you eat too little protein or refuse to use protein supplements? Do you realize that hair loss, reduced muscle and bone are only a few of the many health consequences of long-term nutrient deficiencies? That anemia is likely to develop with deficits in iron, B12, and folate intake or absorption? And, did you know that without sufficient levels of zinc, defects in immune function may occur? Are you aware that low intake or absorption of B-vitamins can lead to neurological defects and damage, some of which are irreversible (untreatable)? Do you know that low anti-oxidant vitamin and minerals may increase the risk for cancer, heart disease, diabetes, hypertension, cataracts, other diseases, as well as promote aging? " (balance of article omitted; does not deal with gastric bypass procedures) from Part II (August 2002) " Gastric bypass combines both gastric restriction and malabsorption to induce massive and sustained weight loss. With (this) procedure, the part of the stomach that produces acid and digestive enzymes is bypassed and the newly formed small gastric pouch produces negligible amounts of acid and digestive enzymes. Without stomach acid and digestive enzymes, certain foods are not adequately broken down to release their nutrient content. The pouch also produces no intrinsic factor, an agent that must bind to vitamin B12 for its absorption from the gut into the body. The bypass procedure, therefore, causes deficiencies in vitamin B12, the vitamin that assists in the metabolism of food, DNA replication and repair, nerve conductance and function, the formation of blood cells, and more. Bypass of the duodenum causes malabsorption of, and therefore deficiencies in iron, calcium, zinc, and folate. Other B-complex vitamins are also reduced with gastric bypass, both as a result of decreased absorption and to reduced nutrient intake and digestion. Further more, the bypass reduces fat absorption which may consequently cause deficiencies of fat-soluble vitamins, including D, E, K, and A. Studies have shown that daily multivitamin and mineral supplements, at amounts close to the RDA, correct most micronutrient deficiencies following surgery, with the exception of zinc, calcium, iron, folate, and vitamin B12. These vitamins and minerals generally require supplementation at amounts greater than the RDA. Several studies have found that, even with supplementation, iron deficiencies occur in 30-50% of the gastric bypass population, and are more common among pre-menopausal women (than in males and post-menopausal women). Within the first two years following surgery, 30-40% of gastric bypass patients have been reported to suffer from anemia secondary to poor iron absorption. Iron deficiencies can be treated or prevented with iron taken at amounts given to women during pregnancy - 40mg. Iron as fumerate or chelated to amino acids are the most readily absorbable forms of supplemental iron. And heme iron, obtained from eating meat, is far more readily absorbed by the gut than is non-heme iron from plants or supplemental sources. Approximately 20% of the gastric bypass population is likely to develop folate deficiencies. Such deficiencies can be corrected or prevented by intake of supplemental folate at 800-1000 micrograms per day or approximately 200% of the RDA. Vitamin B12 deficiencies occur in as many as 40-50% of patients, even while on supplements that meet the B12 RDA. As mentioned above, the small gastric pouch does not produce intrinsic factor necessary to bind B12 for its absorption out of the gut and into the body. Studies have found that B12 deficiencies, for the majority of gastric bypass patients, can be prevented or effectively treated with B12 supplements in amounts that are high enough to cause passive diffusion of B12 across the gut in the absence of intrinsic factor. B12 supplemented at amounts far in excess of the RDA (as high as 100-350 micrograms) have been found to prevent B12 deficiencies in more than 95% of post-surgical gastric bypass patients. Sublingual B12 (under the tongue) taken daily may also be effective in the prevention of B12 deficiencies since the vitamin is absorbed into the bloodstream and does not need to bind to intrinsic factor for absorption. B12 shots taken daily or monthly are also effective in bypassing impaired B12 absorption and in preventing and treating B12 deficits. Defects in folate and B12 may cause pernicious anemia as well as elevated production of homocysteine and concomitant increased risk of cardiovascular disease. Symptoms of folate deficiency include weakness, headache, palpitations, forgetfulness, hostility, irritability, paranoid behavior, apathy, sore tongue, gastrointestinal tract disturbances, and diarrhea. B12 deficiencies may also cause gastrointestinal disorders, such as diarrhea, cramping, constipation, as well as palpitations, shortness of breath, and extreme fatigue. Neurological deficits secondary to B12 deficiencies include impaired bladder control, numbness, tingling of the extremities, moodiness, agitation, disorientation, insomnia, confusion, dimmed vision and even delusions and hallucinations. Some of these neurological deficits caused by B12 deficiencies may be irreversible. Calcium deficiencies occur following gastric bypass for several reasons. First, the duodenum, where calcium is actively absorbed, is bypassed. Secondly, there is insufficient acid produced by the pouch to provide enough acid in the gut for appropriate calcium absorption. Third, changes made in the mixing of food with pancreatic juices may alter vitamin D absorption. And finally, some patients become lactose intolerant after surgery and avoid dairy products. Low calcium is known to cause bone loss. Recent studies have also found that low calcium intake is associated with weight gain. Calcium supplements may prevent bone loss and also assist in promoting weight loss and preventing weight regain following bariatric surgery. Calcium supplements of 1200-1500mg, taken in 400-500mg aliquots 3 times per day are recommended for individuals who have had gastric bypass surgery. Calcium citrate, rather than calcium carbonate, is more readily absorbed in the non-acidic environment of the gut. Absorption is further enhanced by calcium supplements that include vitamin D and magnesium. The high risk for B12, folate, iron deficiencies following bypass surgery requires that the individual have periodic tests (annually) for blood levels of ferritin (iron), folate, and B12. Blood tests for measurement of calcium are unreliable. When blood calcium is low, the body " borrows' calcium from bone and teeth, so that levels may appear normal. Thus it is wise for the gastric bypass patient to have a bone scan, a bone demineralization test, or some other test than can be used as a marker for low calcium. Protein deficiencies are common and occur secondary to 1) low calorie intake, 2) avoidance of meat, 3) negligible acid and digestive enzymes produced by the stomach, and 4) reduced absorption of protein by the bypassed gut. Low protein intake can cause muscle loss which, in turn, leads to a reduction in basal metabolic rate, interfering with maximal weight loss success. The heart is also a muscle and can lose tissue with severe protein deficiencies. For these reasons, protein supplements and high intake of protein is encouraged for all gastric bypass patients --and for life. " (balance of article omitted; deals with BPD/DS rather than gastric bypass) Author: Buffington, Ph.D., director of research for the Bariatric Centers for Weight Loss Surgery in Ft. Lauderdale. --------------------------- from Carol A (I have more stuff but no time to dig it all out right now) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2003 Report Share Posted April 15, 2003 Got a question..... Has anyone found any research concerning absorption of nutrients from foods after WLS.... My doctors say I don't malabsorb as much as I think I do (165 cm bypassed), and that the intestine tends to " learn " to absorb what the bypassed portion doesn't, over a period of time. Hmmmm... I wonder how true this is.... I'm wondering about this since myself and a few other's here are bodybuilding now.... I need lot's of nutrients, lots of protein and lot's other foods just to maintain my weight and muscle tissue..... All the fitness mags have great info on eating and bodybuilding, but, how much applies to us? Any info would be great..... Please post to the group (if you're a grad..lol.. If not then private will work) since other's here are wondering about this also..... Thanks in advance, Randy ------------------------------------ Beyond Change excerpts Smaller doses taken more often, whether in food or supplementation, are more effective than one large dose, as only 10-30% is absorbed at one time. Loose powder, liquid, or quick dissolving tabs usually allow for greater absorption. (what about chewables?) Chelated minerals are better absorbed than non-chelated. (Sally Myers) Low carb eating plan info and support: www.lowcarbluxury.com from Part I (July 2002) " Nutrient deficiencies following bariatric surgical procedures can lead to serious health consequences if left unattended. The provision of knowledge to bariatric surgical candidates of the nutrient deficiencies associated with their particular surgical procedure and the steps necessary to avoid their occurrence is the responsibility of the bariatric surgeon and his/her staff. Taking those steps, however, is solely the responsibility of the patient. Do you take your vitamin/mineral supplements on a daily basis and in the amounts recommended? Is your body losing bone because you can't remember to take your calcium? Does your body feel tired and run down because you refuse to take iron? Is your hair falling out and are your muscles diminishing in size because you eat too little protein or refuse to use protein supplements? Do you realize that hair loss, reduced muscle and bone are only a few of the many health consequences of long-term nutrient deficiencies? That anemia is likely to develop with deficits in iron, B12, and folate intake or absorption? And, did you know that without sufficient levels of zinc, defects in immune function may occur? Are you aware that low intake or absorption of B-vitamins can lead to neurological defects and damage, some of which are irreversible (untreatable)? Do you know that low anti-oxidant vitamin and minerals may increase the risk for cancer, heart disease, diabetes, hypertension, cataracts, other diseases, as well as promote aging? " (balance of article omitted; does not deal with gastric bypass procedures) from Part II (August 2002) " Gastric bypass combines both gastric restriction and malabsorption to induce massive and sustained weight loss. With (this) procedure, the part of the stomach that produces acid and digestive enzymes is bypassed and the newly formed small gastric pouch produces negligible amounts of acid and digestive enzymes. Without stomach acid and digestive enzymes, certain foods are not adequately broken down to release their nutrient content. The pouch also produces no intrinsic factor, an agent that must bind to vitamin B12 for its absorption from the gut into the body. The bypass procedure, therefore, causes deficiencies in vitamin B12, the vitamin that assists in the metabolism of food, DNA replication and repair, nerve conductance and function, the formation of blood cells, and more. Bypass of the duodenum causes malabsorption of, and therefore deficiencies in iron, calcium, zinc, and folate. Other B-complex vitamins are also reduced with gastric bypass, both as a result of decreased absorption and to reduced nutrient intake and digestion. Further more, the bypass reduces fat absorption which may consequently cause deficiencies of fat-soluble vitamins, including D, E, K, and A. Studies have shown that daily multivitamin and mineral supplements, at amounts close to the RDA, correct most micronutrient deficiencies following surgery, with the exception of zinc, calcium, iron, folate, and vitamin B12. These vitamins and minerals generally require supplementation at amounts greater than the RDA. Several studies have found that, even with supplementation, iron deficiencies occur in 30-50% of the gastric bypass population, and are more common among pre-menopausal women (than in males and post-menopausal women). Within the first two years following surgery, 30-40% of gastric bypass patients have been reported to suffer from anemia secondary to poor iron absorption. Iron deficiencies can be treated or prevented with iron taken at amounts given to women during pregnancy - 40mg. Iron as fumerate or chelated to amino acids are the most readily absorbable forms of supplemental iron. And heme iron, obtained from eating meat, is far more readily absorbed by the gut than is non-heme iron from plants or supplemental sources. Approximately 20% of the gastric bypass population is likely to develop folate deficiencies. Such deficiencies can be corrected or prevented by intake of supplemental folate at 800-1000 micrograms per day or approximately 200% of the RDA. Vitamin B12 deficiencies occur in as many as 40-50% of patients, even while on supplements that meet the B12 RDA. As mentioned above, the small gastric pouch does not produce intrinsic factor necessary to bind B12 for its absorption out of the gut and into the body. Studies have found that B12 deficiencies, for the majority of gastric bypass patients, can be prevented or effectively treated with B12 supplements in amounts that are high enough to cause passive diffusion of B12 across the gut in the absence of intrinsic factor. B12 supplemented at amounts far in excess of the RDA (as high as 100-350 micrograms) have been found to prevent B12 deficiencies in more than 95% of post-surgical gastric bypass patients. Sublingual B12 (under the tongue) taken daily may also be effective in the prevention of B12 deficiencies since the vitamin is absorbed into the bloodstream and does not need to bind to intrinsic factor for absorption. B12 shots taken daily or monthly are also effective in bypassing impaired B12 absorption and in preventing and treating B12 deficits. Defects in folate and B12 may cause pernicious anemia as well as elevated production of homocysteine and concomitant increased risk of cardiovascular disease. Symptoms of folate deficiency include weakness, headache, palpitations, forgetfulness, hostility, irritability, paranoid behavior, apathy, sore tongue, gastrointestinal tract disturbances, and diarrhea. B12 deficiencies may also cause gastrointestinal disorders, such as diarrhea, cramping, constipation, as well as palpitations, shortness of breath, and extreme fatigue. Neurological deficits secondary to B12 deficiencies include impaired bladder control, numbness, tingling of the extremities, moodiness, agitation, disorientation, insomnia, confusion, dimmed vision and even delusions and hallucinations. Some of these neurological deficits caused by B12 deficiencies may be irreversible. Calcium deficiencies occur following gastric bypass for several reasons. First, the duodenum, where calcium is actively absorbed, is bypassed. Secondly, there is insufficient acid produced by the pouch to provide enough acid in the gut for appropriate calcium absorption. Third, changes made in the mixing of food with pancreatic juices may alter vitamin D absorption. And finally, some patients become lactose intolerant after surgery and avoid dairy products. Low calcium is known to cause bone loss. Recent studies have also found that low calcium intake is associated with weight gain. Calcium supplements may prevent bone loss and also assist in promoting weight loss and preventing weight regain following bariatric surgery. Calcium supplements of 1200-1500mg, taken in 400-500mg aliquots 3 times per day are recommended for individuals who have had gastric bypass surgery. Calcium citrate, rather than calcium carbonate, is more readily absorbed in the non-acidic environment of the gut. Absorption is further enhanced by calcium supplements that include vitamin D and magnesium. The high risk for B12, folate, iron deficiencies following bypass surgery requires that the individual have periodic tests (annually) for blood levels of ferritin (iron), folate, and B12. Blood tests for measurement of calcium are unreliable. When blood calcium is low, the body " borrows' calcium from bone and teeth, so that levels may appear normal. Thus it is wise for the gastric bypass patient to have a bone scan, a bone demineralization test, or some other test than can be used as a marker for low calcium. Protein deficiencies are common and occur secondary to 1) low calorie intake, 2) avoidance of meat, 3) negligible acid and digestive enzymes produced by the stomach, and 4) reduced absorption of protein by the bypassed gut. Low protein intake can cause muscle loss which, in turn, leads to a reduction in basal metabolic rate, interfering with maximal weight loss success. The heart is also a muscle and can lose tissue with severe protein deficiencies. For these reasons, protein supplements and high intake of protein is encouraged for all gastric bypass patients --and for life. " (balance of article omitted; deals with BPD/DS rather than gastric bypass) Author: Buffington, Ph.D., director of research for the Bariatric Centers for Weight Loss Surgery in Ft. Lauderdale. --------------------------- from Carol A (I have more stuff but no time to dig it all out right now) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2003 Report Share Posted April 15, 2003 Got a question..... Has anyone found any research concerning absorption of nutrients from foods after WLS.... My doctors say I don't malabsorb as much as I think I do (165 cm bypassed), and that the intestine tends to " learn " to absorb what the bypassed portion doesn't, over a period of time. Hmmmm... I wonder how true this is.... I'm wondering about this since myself and a few other's here are bodybuilding now.... I need lot's of nutrients, lots of protein and lot's other foods just to maintain my weight and muscle tissue..... All the fitness mags have great info on eating and bodybuilding, but, how much applies to us? Any info would be great..... Please post to the group (if you're a grad..lol.. If not then private will work) since other's here are wondering about this also..... Thanks in advance, Randy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2003 Report Share Posted April 15, 2003 Got a question..... Has anyone found any research concerning absorption of nutrients from foods after WLS.... My doctors say I don't malabsorb as much as I think I do (165 cm bypassed), and that the intestine tends to " learn " to absorb what the bypassed portion doesn't, over a period of time. Hmmmm... I wonder how true this is.... I'm wondering about this since myself and a few other's here are bodybuilding now.... I need lot's of nutrients, lots of protein and lot's other foods just to maintain my weight and muscle tissue..... All the fitness mags have great info on eating and bodybuilding, but, how much applies to us? Any info would be great..... Please post to the group (if you're a grad..lol.. If not then private will work) since other's here are wondering about this also..... Thanks in advance, Randy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2003 Report Share Posted April 15, 2003 Randy.....I don't have any scientific stuff. But I wanted to share with you that this has been something that I REALLY wonder about myself. Reason being........I know that I cannot be eating enough to maintain my weight......let alone the fact that there is supposed to be malabsorption going on!! I eat " good " salads, chicken, protein drinks, vitamins, veggies.......so it's not as though my body is in starvation or lacking.......I just feel as though the body should be dropping " something " NOT gaining!! Of course, like I said......this is just my opinion P. Absorption after WLS > Got a question..... > Has anyone found any research concerning absorption of nutrients from foods > after WLS.... My doctors say I don't malabsorb as much as I think I do (165 > cm bypassed), and that the intestine tends to " learn " to absorb what the > bypassed portion doesn't, over a period of time. Hmmmm... I wonder how true > this is.... I'm wondering about this since myself and a few other's here are > bodybuilding now.... I need lot's of nutrients, lots of protein and lot's > other foods just to maintain my weight and muscle tissue..... All the > fitness mags have great info on eating and bodybuilding, but, how much > applies to us? Any info would be great..... Please post to the group (if > you're a grad..lol.. If not then private will work) since other's here are > wondering about this also..... > Thanks in advance, > Randy > > > > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2003 Report Share Posted April 15, 2003 Randy.....I don't have any scientific stuff. But I wanted to share with you that this has been something that I REALLY wonder about myself. Reason being........I know that I cannot be eating enough to maintain my weight......let alone the fact that there is supposed to be malabsorption going on!! I eat " good " salads, chicken, protein drinks, vitamins, veggies.......so it's not as though my body is in starvation or lacking.......I just feel as though the body should be dropping " something " NOT gaining!! Of course, like I said......this is just my opinion P. Absorption after WLS > Got a question..... > Has anyone found any research concerning absorption of nutrients from foods > after WLS.... My doctors say I don't malabsorb as much as I think I do (165 > cm bypassed), and that the intestine tends to " learn " to absorb what the > bypassed portion doesn't, over a period of time. Hmmmm... I wonder how true > this is.... I'm wondering about this since myself and a few other's here are > bodybuilding now.... I need lot's of nutrients, lots of protein and lot's > other foods just to maintain my weight and muscle tissue..... All the > fitness mags have great info on eating and bodybuilding, but, how much > applies to us? Any info would be great..... Please post to the group (if > you're a grad..lol.. If not then private will work) since other's here are > wondering about this also..... > Thanks in advance, > Randy > > > > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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