Guest guest Posted April 21, 2003 Report Share Posted April 21, 2003 In a message dated 4/21/2003 6:50:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time, YahooDave@... writes: > I'm not an expert, and this is an informal board of friends, not experts, > but I personally would not count coffee, would count Crystal Light but not > use it for more than about half the water requirements. It's tough getting > in 8 glasses. > Dave - I'm even more on board on this topic. To me this is kind of like " cheating " . Water is water. If the guideline is to drink 64 ounces of water, then why try to cheat it and include other stuff. Just buck up and drink it. Then again, I feel exactly the same way about countining protein shakes as calories. If you are counting calories, then you need to count the shakes. Who are you trying to trick by not counting them? Kate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2003 Report Share Posted April 21, 2003 In a message dated 4/21/2003 6:50:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time, YahooDave@... writes: > I'm not an expert, and this is an informal board of friends, not experts, > but I personally would not count coffee, would count Crystal Light but not > use it for more than about half the water requirements. It's tough getting > in 8 glasses. > Dave - I'm even more on board on this topic. To me this is kind of like " cheating " . Water is water. If the guideline is to drink 64 ounces of water, then why try to cheat it and include other stuff. Just buck up and drink it. Then again, I feel exactly the same way about countining protein shakes as calories. If you are counting calories, then you need to count the shakes. Who are you trying to trick by not counting them? Kate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2003 Report Share Posted April 21, 2003 uh-oh..... here we go... /john DRINKING > I know that we are supposed to drink 8 glasses of water a day, does > coffee count as our water? What does the caffine in the coffee do to > us? I read that we should drink the 8 glasses and 1 glass for every > 25 pounds overweight that we are. Crystal light and kool aid can > coount as water, but not tea or coffee. Please give me your input, > Thanks > Shirley > > > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2003 Report Share Posted April 21, 2003 uh-oh..... here we go... /john DRINKING > I know that we are supposed to drink 8 glasses of water a day, does > coffee count as our water? What does the caffine in the coffee do to > us? I read that we should drink the 8 glasses and 1 glass for every > 25 pounds overweight that we are. Crystal light and kool aid can > coount as water, but not tea or coffee. Please give me your input, > Thanks > Shirley > > > Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2003 Report Share Posted April 21, 2003 I didn't try any alcohol to about 4 months out. I started slow -- wine -- beer. It's amazing how little it takes before I have to stop. I can do some liquor -- but again - -I take it easy. I used to be able to drink quite a bit before my surgery and it would never hit. Now I'm a cheap date! The only restriction I have is mixed drinks -- due to how much sugar the mixes have. And even then I just take it easy and I'm usually fine. I eat before I drink too . .that seems to help. Everyone is different - we hear that alot! Beer was fine -- and it didn't have to be flat. However -- I had to sip -- it sits heavier on my belly than most liquids. I hope I dont shock anyone by being able to drink so soon. . ..my Dr. just never put restrictions on it -- like everything else he told me to try it a bit at a time and to know my limits. He also warned me about how much faster it hits the system . . Just my experience. In a message dated 4/21/03 3:23:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time, callie_thomas@... writes: > Subj: Drinking > Date:4/21/03 3:23:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time > From:<A HREF= " mailto:callie_thomas@... " >callie_thomas@...</A> > To:<A HREF= " mailto:Graduate-OSSG " >Graduate-OSSG </A> > Sent from the Internet > > > > Hi everyone my surgery was October 11, 2001 and what im wondering is > now that it has been long enough are we allowed to have alcohol? If > its beer does it have to be flat? > Also with the time that since my surgery, is it normal to not loose > weight and if im not can anyone give me any suggestions on how to > loose more weight then what I have. I seem to stand at a steady > weight and not loose. Help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2003 Report Share Posted April 21, 2003 I didn't try any alcohol to about 4 months out. I started slow -- wine -- beer. It's amazing how little it takes before I have to stop. I can do some liquor -- but again - -I take it easy. I used to be able to drink quite a bit before my surgery and it would never hit. Now I'm a cheap date! The only restriction I have is mixed drinks -- due to how much sugar the mixes have. And even then I just take it easy and I'm usually fine. I eat before I drink too . .that seems to help. Everyone is different - we hear that alot! Beer was fine -- and it didn't have to be flat. However -- I had to sip -- it sits heavier on my belly than most liquids. I hope I dont shock anyone by being able to drink so soon. . ..my Dr. just never put restrictions on it -- like everything else he told me to try it a bit at a time and to know my limits. He also warned me about how much faster it hits the system . . Just my experience. In a message dated 4/21/03 3:23:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time, callie_thomas@... writes: > Subj: Drinking > Date:4/21/03 3:23:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time > From:<A HREF= " mailto:callie_thomas@... " >callie_thomas@...</A> > To:<A HREF= " mailto:Graduate-OSSG " >Graduate-OSSG </A> > Sent from the Internet > > > > Hi everyone my surgery was October 11, 2001 and what im wondering is > now that it has been long enough are we allowed to have alcohol? If > its beer does it have to be flat? > Also with the time that since my surgery, is it normal to not loose > weight and if im not can anyone give me any suggestions on how to > loose more weight then what I have. I seem to stand at a steady > weight and not loose. Help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2003 Report Share Posted April 21, 2003 Absolutely false!! No credible evidence of any kind to support that statement. The only liquids that will cause you to need to take more liquids are those that contain salt. Caffeinated beverages will make you empty your bladder more often, but do not increase the overall amount voided. Ray Hooks For WLS nutrition info, visit http://www.bariatricsupplementsystem.com jesseintulsa@... wrote: > > I was informed that anything with caffeine would not count towards our fluid intake -- and that if you have something with caffeine we need to add more fluid to compensate. . .is that true? > > > > In a message dated 4/21/2003 8:34:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, " Shirley " writes: > > >I know that we are supposed to drink 8 glasses of water a day, does > >coffee count as our water? What does the caffine in the coffee do to > >us? I read that we should drink the 8 glasses and 1 glass for every > >25 pounds overweight that we are. Crystal light and kool aid can > >coount as water, but not tea or coffee. Please give me your input, > >Thanks > >Shirley > > > > > >Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > > >Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2003 Report Share Posted April 21, 2003 Absolutely false!! No credible evidence of any kind to support that statement. The only liquids that will cause you to need to take more liquids are those that contain salt. Caffeinated beverages will make you empty your bladder more often, but do not increase the overall amount voided. Ray Hooks For WLS nutrition info, visit http://www.bariatricsupplementsystem.com jesseintulsa@... wrote: > > I was informed that anything with caffeine would not count towards our fluid intake -- and that if you have something with caffeine we need to add more fluid to compensate. . .is that true? > > > > In a message dated 4/21/2003 8:34:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, " Shirley " writes: > > >I know that we are supposed to drink 8 glasses of water a day, does > >coffee count as our water? What does the caffine in the coffee do to > >us? I read that we should drink the 8 glasses and 1 glass for every > >25 pounds overweight that we are. Crystal light and kool aid can > >coount as water, but not tea or coffee. Please give me your input, > >Thanks > >Shirley > > > > > >Homepage: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Graduate-OSSG > > > >Unsubscribe: mailto:Graduate-OSSG-unsubscribe > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2003 Report Share Posted April 21, 2003 Hi everyone my surgery was October 11, 2001 and what im wondering is now that it has been long enough are we allowed to have alcohol? If its beer does it have to be flat? Also with the time that since my surgery, is it normal to not loose weight and if im not can anyone give me any suggestions on how to loose more weight then what I have. I seem to stand at a steady weight and not loose. Help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2003 Report Share Posted April 21, 2003 Hi everyone my surgery was October 11, 2001 and what im wondering is now that it has been long enough are we allowed to have alcohol? If its beer does it have to be flat? Also with the time that since my surgery, is it normal to not loose weight and if im not can anyone give me any suggestions on how to loose more weight then what I have. I seem to stand at a steady weight and not loose. Help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2003 Report Share Posted April 21, 2003 Hi , What kind of surgery did you have? I had a distal RNY, and this is how it is for me. I personally think of alcohol as just another form of sugar. I don't pay much attention to carbs, but I avoid sugar like the plague. I am a sugar addict, so I can't have just a little. I even have to avoid eating too much fruit. I can gain 2 or 3 lbs in one day if I eat more than one piece of fruit a day. I would highly recommend that you not start on alcohol until you get your weight loss going again. If you're having problems with it now, alcohol will make it worse. If you are not doing so already, I would suggest that you start paying attention to " white carbs " (white bread, white pasta, white rice, etc.) and definately sweets. Increase your protein shakes and remember to drink you water. Are you taking vitamins, B12, iron, calcium, etc. These are very important to weight loss as well as general health. If you want some more details, let me know. BarbaraJean distal 1994 from 300 to 128 > > > Hi everyone my surgery was October 11, 2001 and what im wondering is > now that it has been long enough are we allowed to have alcohol? If > its beer does it have to be flat? > Also with the time that since my surgery, is it normal to not loose > weight and if im not can anyone give me any suggestions on how to > loose more weight then what I have. I seem to stand at a steady > weight and not loose. Help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2003 Report Share Posted April 21, 2003 Hi , What kind of surgery did you have? I had a distal RNY, and this is how it is for me. I personally think of alcohol as just another form of sugar. I don't pay much attention to carbs, but I avoid sugar like the plague. I am a sugar addict, so I can't have just a little. I even have to avoid eating too much fruit. I can gain 2 or 3 lbs in one day if I eat more than one piece of fruit a day. I would highly recommend that you not start on alcohol until you get your weight loss going again. If you're having problems with it now, alcohol will make it worse. If you are not doing so already, I would suggest that you start paying attention to " white carbs " (white bread, white pasta, white rice, etc.) and definately sweets. Increase your protein shakes and remember to drink you water. Are you taking vitamins, B12, iron, calcium, etc. These are very important to weight loss as well as general health. If you want some more details, let me know. BarbaraJean distal 1994 from 300 to 128 > > > Hi everyone my surgery was October 11, 2001 and what im wondering is > now that it has been long enough are we allowed to have alcohol? If > its beer does it have to be flat? > Also with the time that since my surgery, is it normal to not loose > weight and if im not can anyone give me any suggestions on how to > loose more weight then what I have. I seem to stand at a steady > weight and not loose. Help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2003 Report Share Posted April 21, 2003 > Absolutely false!! No credible evidence of any kind to support that > statement. Just so you know, Ray doesn't have much credible evidence the other way, except what was written by and for the coffee industry. Most of us believe that you should increase your water intake based on how much caffeine you take in. How much exactly is not yet understood, but you do need to hydrate more if you drink caffeine. ~~ Lyn G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2003 Report Share Posted April 21, 2003 > Absolutely false!! No credible evidence of any kind to support that > statement. Just so you know, Ray doesn't have much credible evidence the other way, except what was written by and for the coffee industry. Most of us believe that you should increase your water intake based on how much caffeine you take in. How much exactly is not yet understood, but you do need to hydrate more if you drink caffeine. ~~ Lyn G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2003 Report Share Posted April 22, 2003 You waited all this time to have a drink? Wow. I had my first try at alcohol at 2 months out. Then, it was a spritzer, but since I really don't care for wine, I soon graduated to a light vodka & club soda (my usual drink). As for beer, I'm not a beer drinker either, but I would try one at home first. Since you haven't had a dink in a long time, and you're probably not much of a drinker anyway, it might hit you really fast. Also, the carbonation in beer may be a little hard to handle. So, try it at home first and see how you do. As for being at a standstill with the weight, if you go back a couple of weeks and read the archives, a bunch of us just did 3 days of protein to try to jumpstart out weight loss or just to detox from carbs and sugar. It worked for most of us, so you might want to give that a try. Good luck, in NJ ********************* > Hi everyone my surgery was October 11, 2001 and what im wondering is now that it has been long enough are we allowed to have alcohol? If its beer does it have to be flat? > Also with the time that since my surgery, is it normal to not loose > weight and if im not can anyone give me any suggestions on how to > loose more weight then what I have. I seem to stand at a steady > weight and not loose. Help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2003 Report Share Posted April 22, 2003 You waited all this time to have a drink? Wow. I had my first try at alcohol at 2 months out. Then, it was a spritzer, but since I really don't care for wine, I soon graduated to a light vodka & club soda (my usual drink). As for beer, I'm not a beer drinker either, but I would try one at home first. Since you haven't had a dink in a long time, and you're probably not much of a drinker anyway, it might hit you really fast. Also, the carbonation in beer may be a little hard to handle. So, try it at home first and see how you do. As for being at a standstill with the weight, if you go back a couple of weeks and read the archives, a bunch of us just did 3 days of protein to try to jumpstart out weight loss or just to detox from carbs and sugar. It worked for most of us, so you might want to give that a try. Good luck, in NJ ********************* > Hi everyone my surgery was October 11, 2001 and what im wondering is now that it has been long enough are we allowed to have alcohol? If its beer does it have to be flat? > Also with the time that since my surgery, is it normal to not loose > weight and if im not can anyone give me any suggestions on how to > loose more weight then what I have. I seem to stand at a steady > weight and not loose. Help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2003 Report Share Posted April 22, 2003 In a message dated 04/22/2003 6:13:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, watnext@... writes: > You waited all this time to have a drink? Wow. I had my first try > at alcohol at 2 months out. Then, it was a spritzer, but since I > I still haven't had a drink. I am over 14 months post op. Just haven't had the urge. This could be because my favorite drinks were a " fuzzy navel " (orange juice with peach schnapps) and a Kahlua Sombrero. Both of these would be way to high in sugar for me. The other stuff just doesn't appeal to me. O'Connell Open RNY 2/7/02 Pre op weight:248 Now: 136 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2003 Report Share Posted April 22, 2003 In a message dated 04/22/2003 6:13:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, watnext@... writes: > You waited all this time to have a drink? Wow. I had my first try > at alcohol at 2 months out. Then, it was a spritzer, but since I > I still haven't had a drink. I am over 14 months post op. Just haven't had the urge. This could be because my favorite drinks were a " fuzzy navel " (orange juice with peach schnapps) and a Kahlua Sombrero. Both of these would be way to high in sugar for me. The other stuff just doesn't appeal to me. O'Connell Open RNY 2/7/02 Pre op weight:248 Now: 136 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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